Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 17 Mai 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sunday 17 May 2009 03:33:22 pk wrote: > > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > As I see it, at the bottom of the stack you have a kernel and at the > > > top a user space app (the X server will do for an example). Plug in a > > > USB device that the app can u

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-17 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > > Dale, >As far as I can tell I'm not having any problems. This machine was > using a 2.6.28 kernel up until yesterday when I updated to 2.6.29-r4. > The point I'm trying to make is that this old driver and all the > kernels I have used up to now have all worked. > >I n

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Alan McKinnon >> wrote: >> >>> On Sunday 17 May 2009 19:10:05 bn wrote: >>> Dale ha scritto: > I hope someone wins the debate soon and gets this to work and be "user > friend

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-17 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: > >> On Sunday 17 May 2009 19:10:05 bn wrote: >> >>> Dale ha scritto: >>> I hope someone wins the debate soon and gets this to work and be "user friendly". I'm about to make a fresh backup and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-17 Thread Dale
bn wrote: > Dale ha scritto: > > >> I hope someone wins the debate soon and gets this to work and be "user >> friendly". I'm about to make a fresh backup and try this again. I have >> upgraded my kernel to a really new version, 2.6.25. Sorry, nvidia won't >> compile with anything newer that I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sunday 17 May 2009 19:10:05 bn wrote: >> Dale ha scritto: >> > I hope someone wins the debate soon and gets this to work and be "user >> > friendly".  I'm about to make a fresh backup and try this again.  I have >> > upgraded my kernel to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-17 Thread bn
Alan McKinnon ha scritto: > On Sunday 17 May 2009 19:10:05 bn wrote: >> Dale ha scritto: >>> I hope someone wins the debate soon and gets this to work and be "user >>> friendly". I'm about to make a fresh backup and try this again. I have >>> upgraded my kernel to a really new version, 2.6.25. S

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 17 May 2009 19:10:05 bn wrote: > Dale ha scritto: > > I hope someone wins the debate soon and gets this to work and be "user > > friendly". I'm about to make a fresh backup and try this again. I have > > upgraded my kernel to a really new version, 2.6.25. Sorry, nvidia won't > > compil

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-17 Thread bn
Dale ha scritto: > I hope someone wins the debate soon and gets this to work and be "user > friendly". I'm about to make a fresh backup and try this again. I have > upgraded my kernel to a really new version, 2.6.25. Sorry, nvidia won't > compile with anything newer that I have tried. Uh? las

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 17 May 2009 14:15:31 pk wrote: > > But you have that in the current setup. Hal (for better or worse) is the > > daemon. dbus is simply a message transport and can be omitted from the > > conceptual diagram > > Why is dbus needed? Why can't the user space apps talk to the user space > daem

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-17 Thread pk
Alan McKinnon wrote: > - only Linux has udev. Other OSes may not need, want or be willing to touch > udev with a bargepole. Yes, udev is linux only. Replace udev with whatever is available on other platforms in that diagram. I just used linux as an example... Sorry for not making it clear. > Bu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 17 May 2009 03:33:22 pk wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > As I see it, at the bottom of the stack you have a kernel and at the top > > a user space app (the X server will do for an example). Plug in a USB > > device that the app can use, and the kernel needs to make a node in /dev > > for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-16 Thread pk
Alan McKinnon wrote: > As I see it, at the bottom of the stack you have a kernel and at the top a > user space app (the X server will do for an example). Plug in a USB device > that the app can use, and the kernel needs to make a node in /dev for it if > it's not already there. The kernel shoul

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-16 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Saturday 16 May 2009 19:14:17 pk wrote: > >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure who's criticizing DeviceKit, but it isn't me :-) >>> >> I guess it was me... :-) >> >> I find this thread interesting: >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2009-Ma

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 16 May 2009 19:14:17 pk wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > I'm not sure who's criticizing DeviceKit, but it isn't me :-) > > I guess it was me... :-) > > I find this thread interesting: > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2009-May/045561.html > > ...especially this: > http://lis

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-16 Thread pk
Alan McKinnon wrote: > I'm not sure who's criticizing DeviceKit, but it isn't me :-) I guess it was me... :-) I find this thread interesting: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2009-May/045561.html ...especially this: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2009-May/045574.html Which

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-16 Thread Mick
On Friday 15 May 2009, Tony Davison wrote: > On Tuesday 07 April 2009 12:25:07 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > Is so OBVIOUSLY the correct way to go, and so OBVIOUSLY much easier. > > > Right? I mean, what kind of twit do you have to be to not un

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 15 May 2009 22:51:41 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Friday 15 May 2009 22:38:30 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> pk wrote: > >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: > DeviceKit isn't even in portage yet and not many packages support it. > I don't even know if the devs will

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 15 May 2009 22:38:30 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > pk wrote: > > Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> DeviceKit isn't even in portage yet and not many packages support it. I > >> don't even know if the devs will change and improve the configs much, if > >> at all. The problem with hal is that it's code

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-05-15 Thread Tony Davison
On Tuesday 07 April 2009 12:25:07 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > > Is so OBVIOUSLY the correct way to go, and so OBVIOUSLY much easier. > > Right? I mean, what kind of twit do you have to be to not understand the > > hal files? > > > > > > using

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-04-07 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tuesday 07 April 2009 13:02:28 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > [...] > > > but my real problem is that hal crap. In their fight to make x 'easier' > > > they make it harder. keyboard layout is incorrect? well, bad lu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New xorg.conf with x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5

2009-04-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 07 April 2009 13:02:28 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > [...] > > but my real problem is that hal crap. In their fight to make x 'easier' > > they make it harder. keyboard layout is incorrect? well, bad luck, > > because hal's files are a bitch to deal with. > >