Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-15 Thread Eric Wing
On 1/13/17, Eric Wing wrote: > On 1/13/17, John Spikowski wrote: >> I think any major directional changes should include a web IUP as a >> consideration. IMHO > > I think this is a really interesting idea and I would love to include > this. I've done a tiny bit with Emscripten/asm.js, but I am no

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-15 Thread Antonio Scuri
I couldn't even had time to take a look at Eric considerations yet, but I would like to say a few words. First, our policy in IUP is to always maintain backward compatibility. We have applications that started their development in the 90's and they are still running using latest IUP version, w

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-14 Thread Andrew Robinson
In conclusion... Working with nil from the Apple Developer site: https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ProgrammingWithObjectiveC/WorkingwithObjects/WorkingwithObjects.html Best Regards, Andrew

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-14 Thread Andrew Robinson
I'm only going to tell you one more time: shut up, you don't know what you are talking about. That why I give links to back up what I say, and you don't. On 1/13/2017 at 8:13 PM, Eric Wing wrote: >On 1/13/17, Andrew Robinson wrote: >> You have clearly never programmed for the iPhone or iPad befo

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-13 Thread Eric Wing
On 1/13/17, Andrew Robinson wrote: > You have clearly never programmed for the iPhone or iPad before. > > nil is an object. > null is a delimiter, usually used in null terminated strings or the value of > a > parameter. > > Don't waste my time. It's clear to me you are terribly confused on the f

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-13 Thread Andrew Robinson
PS -- In case you didn't notice, IUP is written for C and is meant to interface with the C language, not assembly language. The C language does not support nil, so if you tell programmers to use null instead of nil, you will screw it all up. nil is not null. It is not treated like null. nil is tre

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-13 Thread Andrew Robinson
You have clearly never programmed for the iPhone or iPad before. nil is an object. null is a delimiter, usually used in null terminated strings or the value of a parameter. Don't waste my time. On 1/13/2017 at 2:31 PM, Eric Wing wrote: >On 1/12/17, Andrew Robinson wrote: >>>I think your unders

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-13 Thread Eric Wing
On 1/13/17, John Spikowski wrote: > I think any major directional changes should include a web IUP as a > consideration. IMHO I think this is a really interesting idea and I would love to include this. I've done a tiny bit with Emscripten/asm.js, but I am no means an expert. I am also not a web p

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-13 Thread Eric Wing
On 1/12/17, Andrew Robinson wrote: >>I think your understanding of NULL and nil is completely wrong here >>and you are creating a straw-man. As I already explained, both are >>defined as 0. There is no difference to the computer. > > You are wrong here, and I think that says all I need to say abou

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-13 Thread John Spikowski
I think any major directional changes should include a web IUP as a consideration. IMHO On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 12:41 -0500, Hernan Cano wrote: > Hi, Eric. > > I consider you can/could/should clone IUP and procced as you say with > respect to take IUP to Android or any mobile. > > Because you know

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-13 Thread Hernan Cano
Hi, Eric. I consider you can/could/should clone IUP and procced as you say with respect to take IUP to Android or any mobile. Because you know both sides. Do it.. and Antonio and his group will see how it could be "standardized". 2017-01-12 20:53 GMT-05:00 Eric Wing: > I’m not sure if I shoul

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-12 Thread Andrew Robinson
>I think your understanding of NULL and nil is completely wrong here >and you are creating a straw-man. As I already explained, both are >defined as 0. There is no difference to the computer. You are wrong here, and I think that says all I need to say about the rest of your "argument". Nil is defi

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-12 Thread Eric Wing
On 1/8/17, Andrew Robinson wrote: > Hi Eric, > > IUP is extremely healthy the way it is now, so protecting IUP's health is > the > more important of all things to consider. Please, IUP developers, do not > let > IUP go the way of Microsoft or GTK+ or Firefox. They had thee winning > formula; > a p

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-09 Thread Jörg F . Wittenberger
Hi all, let me add my $ 0.02 here. On Jan 8 2017, Andrew Robinson wrote: >Hi Eric, > > IUP is extremely healthy the way it is now, so protecting IUP's health is > the more important of all things to consider. > > Talking about the different specific event loops is like talking about > app

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-08 Thread Andrew Robinson
Hi Eric, IUP is extremely healthy the way it is now, so protecting IUP's health is the more important of all things to consider. Please, IUP developers, do not let IUP go the way of Microsoft or GTK+ or Firefox. They had thee winning formula; a product that worked great and everybody loved, and th

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-05 Thread Antonio Scuri
I'll take a look at this in a couple of days. Best, Scuri On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Eric Wing wrote: > As I said earlier, the way IUP does its startup sequence and main loop > is incompatible with Android and iOS, and potentially other backends > like Emscripten/asm.js/WebAssembly. So

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-05 Thread Eric Wing
Andrew, I want to try to address your concerns, so I will go point by point inline. On 1/4/17, Andrew Robinson wrote: > It isn't IUP anymore, if you are going to follow through on all that you > propose, it is something else entirely so call it something else > entirely...call it PUI. Otherwise,

Re: [Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-04 Thread Andrew Robinson
It isn't IUP anymore, if you are going to follow through on all that you propose, it is something else entirely so call it something else entirely...call it PUI. Otherwise, do not tarnish the name and concept of IUP. I like IUP because it is extremely consistent between platforms (no recoding neces

[Iup-users] IUP event loop modification proposal (due to new platforms like Android, iOS, Mac)

2017-01-04 Thread Eric Wing
As I said earlier, the way IUP does its startup sequence and main loop is incompatible with Android and iOS, and potentially other backends like Emscripten/asm.js/WebAssembly. So I have developed a new alternative sequence that I believe will work with all platforms. Android Background: The reason