[uf-discuss] events (was: invisible content OK?)

2007-09-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Catherine Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Hi, everybody! Hello. >I'm a new enthusiast to the Microformats world. I volunteered to >present them to our Web Standards meetup ( http://webstandards.meetup.c >om/122/ ) You might like to add that to:

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Microformats UI in Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Breton Slivka
sorry for busting in late on this conversation, but let me get this straight, I'm not sure I follow. 1. You guys are proposing a radical change in microformats, and in the way microformats work, and have given us just a week to discuss/ object 2. If radical change is implemented in firefox,

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Microformats UI in Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Pelle W
Breton Slivka wrote: 1. You guys are proposing a radical change in microformats, and in the way microformats work, and have given us just a week to discuss/object 2. If radical change is implemented in firefox, all existing microformatted content will fail to work in firefox3 3. said radical cha

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Microformats UI in Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Breton Slivka
Okay well, that's a relief. It's amazing though, that we're talking about enabling designers to design, but have only so far mentioned html, javascript and urls. What about putting the design into the design code: css? Would it not be a simple matter of adding selectors for the firefox mf ui e

[uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
How would I mark-up the second table row (based on a real-world advocacy example): LongitudeLatitudeHeightFooobarPlace 16.3061.07140zzzWidgetsville with both hCard and geo? The real example has ~50 rows. Is it feasible to wrap each in: ? is there an alternative? (When we have an answer, s

RE: [uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
> How would I mark-up the second table row (based on a > real-world advocacy > example): > > LongitudeLatitudeHeightFooo > barPlace > > 16.3061.07140zzzWi > dgetsville > > with both hCard and geo? > > The real example has ~50 rows. Is it feasible to wrap each in: > >? > > is there an alt

Re: [uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Ciaran McNulty
On 9/4/07, Nick Fitzsimons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > LongitudeLatitudeHeightFooo > > barPlace > > 16.3061.07140zzzWi > > dgetsville > > > > with both hCard and geo? > Maybe I'm missing something, but what's the problem with > > I suspect it's the fact the lon/lat need a @class="geo" wrapper.

RE: [uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Montgomery, Mike
> How would I mark-up the second table row (based on a real-world advocacy > example): > > LongitudeLatitudeHeightFooobar > Place > > 16.3061.07140zzzWidgetsville td> > > with both hCard and geo? > > The real example has ~50 rows. Is it feasible to wrap each in: > >? > > is there an al

RE: [uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
> I suspect it's the fact the lon/lat need a @class="geo" wrapper. that > would have to go on the TR meaning the vcard gets pushed up a level. or is that naughty? :-) Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ ___ microformats-di

RE: [uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, September 4, 2007 16:16, Montgomery, Mike wrote: > >> How would I mark-up the second table row (based on a real-world >> advocacy example): >> >> LongitudeLatitudeHeightFooobar >> Place >> >> 16.3061.07140zzzWidgetsville >> >> >> with both hCard and geo? >> >> The real example has ~50 row

[uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Kaply
I think some folks here are missing the point in the Microformats/Firefox 3 discussion. We are trying to foster a discussion about what to do with microformats in Firefox 3, we are not trying to tell you what we are going to do. This is a very difficult problem to solve and we need input on it. A

Re: [uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Ciaran McNulty
On 9/4/07, Nick Fitzsimons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I suspect it's the fact the lon/lat need a @class="geo" wrapper. that > > would have to go on the TR meaning the vcard gets pushed up a level. > > > > or is that naughty? :-) I believe that vcard child properties have to be on child HTML

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread André Luís
Ok Mike. Thanks for clearing it up. I'd like to know one thing... Have you discussed the option of using the notification box as a first notification to the user of the presence of microformats in the current page and _there_ provide a button to reveal them? I've searched but found nothing similar

Re: [uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Ciaran McNulty wrote: The lack of anything to wrap table columns in is quite a frustration. Current microformat parsers may not be able to grok it, but that's precisely what COLGROUP is for: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.4 Admittedly, you can't change column grouping

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread David Mead
Mike, I must say the way I'm using Operator in Flock & Firefox at the moment (using the auto-hide function for the toolbar) is working well for me. I think one way to go is to utilize the same functionality as the "this site wants to open pop-up windows" that Firefox has. A small toolbar-like me

Re: [uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Nick, On 9/4/07, Nick Fitzsimons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I suspect it's the fact the lon/lat need a @class="geo" wrapper. that > > would have to go on the TR meaning the vcard gets pushed up a level. > > > > or is that naughty? :-) I actually do stuff like that all the time... for

Re: [uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Ryan King
On Sep 4, 2007, at 8:39 AM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: I suspect it's the fact the lon/lat need a @class="geo" wrapper. that would have to go on the TR meaning the vcard gets pushed up a level. or is that naughty? :-) It's not naughty, but it just doesn't mean what you hope it means. :) -r

RE: [uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
> > > > > > or is that naughty? :-) > > I actually do stuff like that all the time... for things like > signatures... it makes it very compact... for example... > > -- http://changelog.ca/";>Charles Iliya > Krempeaux > Strictly speaking it actually isn't correct according to the hCard spec: "

Re: [uf-discuss] Marking up table rows

2007-09-04 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 4, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: or is that naughty? :-) I actually do stuff like that all the time... for things like signatures... it makes it very compact... for example... -- http://changelog.ca/";>Charles Iliya Krempeaux (It makes it so I don't have to add a

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Kaply
On 9/4/07, David Mead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would love to see a new button in the URL bar, like Flock has for > when there is RSS, media streams or a SE plugin on the page. That is > one feature of the new Flock I find I'm using a lot now. Note that Operator does have a URL button optio

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On 9/4/07, Mike Kaply <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think some folks here are missing the point in the > Microformats/Firefox 3 discussion. > > We are trying to foster a discussion about what to do with > microformats in Firefox 3, we are not trying to tell you what we are > going to do. > > This

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Microformats UI in Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Alex Faaborg
1. You guys are proposing a radical change in microformats, and in the way microformats work As Pelle mentioned, we are discussing the possibility of allowing designers to add UI widgets to act on microformats in the content area. I certainly don't think this constitutes a radical change

[uf-discuss] Margin Marks UI Concept, was: Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
To keep the threads clean.. Posting this as a separate message. http://glazkov.com/blog/margin-marks/ Comments, discussion appreciated. :DG< ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/lis

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Manu Sporny
Dimitri Glazkov wrote: > This is not particularly transient, but it addresses #2, methinks: > > http://glazkov.com/blog/margin-marks/ Mike, Alex - I think you should take a very serious look at Dimitri's Margin Marks idea. Check out the screen mock-ups here: http://flickr.com/photos/dglazkov/set

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Alex Faaborg
I really like this idea, I just forward the post and mockups to the rest of our UX team and our lead engineer. This is not particularly transient If the margin marks bar only appeared on pages with recognized content, then I think this would certainly count as being transient. Or, to be

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Kaply
On 9/4/07, Alex Faaborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really like this idea, I just forward the post and mockups to the > rest of our UX team and our lead engineer. > I agree with Alex. This is a really great idea. Thanks for posting. Mike ___ microfo