RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Farndon, Tony
> 2. Microformats are in page, and there needs to be some way > to indicate the microformats are available on the page that > doesn't offend page authors. How can we accomplish this? I second the opinion that this is a design issue and therefore should be handled by css in some way. This would

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Pelle W
Farndon, Tony skrev: 2. Microformats are in page, and there needs to be some way to indicate the microformats are available on the page that doesn't offend page authors. How can we accomplish this? I second the opinion that this is a design issue and therefore should be handled by css in s

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Farndon, Tony
> If something should add anything it should be added by a > javascript... CSS is frequently used to *add* and place onto a page, be it a background image, a border, etc What I am saying is rather than add say, a background image, you use CSS to add/place a microformat icon. How this icon behave

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread André Luís
Hello everyone. Great work thus far.. just want to drop my 2cents. 1) I don't think Dimitri's text was very clear on this aspect in particular, but I believe it would improve the UXP and still give control to the publisher. Why not mixing the suggestion of dimitry (which seems like a very well-t

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Farndon, Tony
To try and give where I am coming from some context, this is how I see it all working in my head: FF3 has a set of (3?) methods for alerting/displaying/provding actions for uF 1) An Operator style toolbar 2) An Operator Style status icon 3) Within the content of the page (+1 and then some for dim

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Jason Karns
On 9/5/07, André Luís <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone. > > - when the user hovers on the margin-mark, the user-agent should > 'target' to the (root?) element (like what's done with the #anchor in > urls) and that would allow the publishers to specify the > looks/highlight accordingly. L

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
Thanks for the comments on the margin-marks concept. I sincerely appreciate that. I really like the idea of allowing additional control over presentation via pseudo-classes, but I am worried that :target isn't quite right, at least if we follow the spec to the letter (http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-sel

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Farndon, Tony
> Thanks for the comments on the margin-marks concept. I > sincerely appreciate that. Credit where credit is due! > I really like the idea of allowing additional control over > presentation via pseudo-classes, but I am worried that > :target isn't quite right, at least if we follow the spec t

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread André Luís
Dimitri, That was exactly why I suggested :target instead of :focus. I think ufs shouldn't _require_ links or other focus-eable elements. And I'm with you with the worries on pushing the meaning of the spec... is there a more meaningful alternative I don't know about? And I'm with Tony (and other

Re: [uf-discuss] Firefox 3 Javascript Semantic Data UI Control (was: Microformats and Firefox 3)

2007-09-05 Thread Manu Sporny
Dimitri Glazkov wrote: > I really like the idea of allowing additional control over > presentation via pseudo-classes, but I am worried that :target isn't > quite right, at least if we follow the spec to the letter > (http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#target-pseudo), specifically > since this ps

Re: [uf-discuss] Firefox 3 Javascript Semantic Data UI Control

2007-09-05 Thread Pelle W
Manu Sporny wrote: Dimitri Glazkov wrote: I really like the idea of allowing additional control over presentation via pseudo-classes, but I am worried that :target isn't quite right, at least if we follow the spec to the letter (http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#target-pseudo), specificall

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Farndon, Tony
> And I'm with Tony (and others) on the protocol approach. I should, however, add that I do have one concern about the protocol approach; it does not degrade gracefully. Users of FF2, or IE7 or Safari etc will just get a big old unknown protocol error. This is easily countered by the designer ch

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Pelle W
Farndon, Tony wrote: And I'm with Tony (and others) on the protocol approach. I should, however, add that I do have one concern about the protocol approach; it does not degrade gracefully. Users of FF2, or IE7 or Safari etc will just get a big old unknown protocol error. This is easily cou

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Firefox 3

2007-09-05 Thread Farndon, Tony
> Alex Faaborg wrote a clever mail about this earlier and > presented a few issues and a few possibilites related to > protocols. It was then discussed that perhaps there should be > one protocl for each microformat? > That would if so enable different programs to easily take > care of differe

[uf-discuss] Re: Need for plain-language intros for each microformat

2007-09-05 Thread Toby A Inkster
Tantek =?ISO-8859-1?B?xw==?=elik wrote: > Syntactically the URI would still work, however, semantically it would have > been broken, that is, it is bad to not only change URIs so that they 404 and > just plain don't work, but it is also bad to change the *meaning* of that > URI. As long as there

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Need for plain-language intros for each microformat

2007-09-05 Thread Ben Ward
On 5 Sep 2007, at 20:18, Toby A Inkster wrote: Syntactically the URI would still work, however, semantically it would have been broken, that is, it is bad to not only change URIs so that they 404 and just plain don't work, but it is also bad to change the *meaning* of that URI. As long as

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Need for plain-language intros for each microformat

2007-09-05 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Whilst the ‘meaning’ in terms of microformats.org/wiki/hcard being a page about hCard would still be valid, the context in which that URL is used by publishers on the internet. Tutorials may link to the entire page accompanie

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Need for plain-language intros for each microformat

2007-09-05 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Ben Ward wrote: Syntactically the URI would still work, however, semantically it would have been broken, that is, it is bad to not only change URIs so that they 404 and just plain don't work, but it is also bad to change the *meaning* of that URI. As long as t

[uf-discuss] Re: Need for plain-language intros for each microformat

2007-09-05 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes or 2) leave the specs where they are and create new -intro pages. >I've seen [...] no one object to #2. Then you haven't been paying full attention. -- Andy Mabbett ___ microf