Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-17 Thread Hans Hagen
Lars Huttar wrote: On 12/16/2008 3:15 PM, luigi scarso wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com mailto:t...@elvenkind.com wrote: Hi Lars, Lars Huttar wrote: So the question comes up, can TeX runs take advantage of parallelized

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-17 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Martin Schröder wrote: 2008/12/16 Lars Huttar lars_hut...@sil.org: Good point... although doesn't the page optimization feed back into paragraph layout? No. :-( But from Lars' POV, that is good :) There are some interesting ideas in this discussion, but with the current state of the code

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-17 Thread luigi scarso
you need to keep an eye on where tex spends its time on, and much is related to loading fonts, reading files, saving output, etc and with multiple threads one would have to coordinate that and make sure the time spent on it does not become larger overall for instance, in your document

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-17 Thread Lars Huttar
Thanks, everybody, for the discussion on running TeX distributed / in parallel. I am much educated about the state of the art. :-) Summary ... - There is plenty of optimization that normally can be done. If a ConTeXt run is taking a really long time, chances are that something is not being done

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hi Lars, Lars Huttar wrote: Hello, We've been using TeX to typeset a 1200-page book, and at that size, the time it takes to run becomes a big issue (especially with multiple passes... about 8 on average). It takes us anywhere from 80 minutes on our fastest machine, to 9 hours on our slowest

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread Hans Hagen
Lars Huttar wrote: Hello, We've been using TeX to typeset a 1200-page book, and at that size, the time it takes to run becomes a big issue (especially with multiple passes... about 8 on average). It takes us anywhere from 80 minutes on our fastest machine, to 9 hours on our slowest laptop.

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread Hans Hagen
Aditya Mahajan wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, Hans Hagen wrote: Lars Huttar wrote: Hello, We've been using TeX to typeset a 1200-page book, and at that size, the time it takes to run becomes a big issue (especially with multiple passes... about 8 on average). It takes us anywhere from 80

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, Hans Hagen wrote: Lars Huttar wrote: Hello, We've been using TeX to typeset a 1200-page book, and at that size, the time it takes to run becomes a big issue (especially with multiple passes... about 8 on average). It takes us anywhere from 80 minutes on our fastest

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread Hans Hagen
Lars Huttar wrote: We have close to 7000 mpgraphics, and they add about 15 minutes to the run time. most of them are the same so reusing them made sense But the run time was already quite long before we started using those. - define fonts beforehand OK, we will look into this. I'm sure

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread Lars Huttar
On 12/16/2008 2:08 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi Lars, Lars Huttar wrote: Hello, We've been using TeX to typeset a 1200-page book, and at that size, the time it takes to run becomes a big issue (especially with multiple passes... about 8 on average). It takes us anywhere from 80 minutes

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread Lars Huttar
On 12/16/2008 11:37 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: Lars Huttar wrote: We have close to 7000 mpgraphics, and they add about 15 minutes to the run time. most of them are the same so reusing them made sense But the run time was already quite long before we started using those. - define fonts

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Lars Huttar wrote: Most of our mpgraphics are due to wanting thick-and-thin or single-and-double borders on tables, which are not natively supported by the ConTeXt table model. The advice I received said to define each mpgraphic using \startuseMPgraphic (we

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread Martin Schröder
2008/12/16 Lars Huttar lars_hut...@sil.org: - You could design your document *specifically* to make the parts independent, so that the true and authoritative way to typeset them is to typeset the parts independently. (You can do this part now without modifying TeX at all... you just have the

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread Lars Huttar
On 12/16/2008 3:31 PM, Martin Schröder wrote: 2008/12/16 Lars Huttar lars_hut...@sil.org: - You could design your document *specifically* to make the parts independent, so that the true and authoritative way to typeset them is to typeset the parts independently. (You can do this part now

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread Martin Schröder
2008/12/16 Lars Huttar lars_hut...@sil.org: Good point... although doesn't the page optimization feed back into paragraph layout? No. :-( Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote: Hi Lars, Lars Huttar wrote: Hello, We've been using TeX to typeset a 1200-page book, and at that size, the time it takes to run becomes a big issue (especially with multiple passes... about 8 on average). It takes

Re: [NTG-context] distributed / parallel TeX?

2008-12-16 Thread Lars Huttar
On 12/16/2008 3:15 PM, luigi scarso wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com mailto:t...@elvenkind.com wrote: Hi Lars, Lars Huttar wrote: ... So the question comes up, can TeX runs take advantage of parallelized or