On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Gary wrote:
> But there's an enormous, tedious history of butthurt when it comes
> to "giving back" to a BSD project. There's more than ten years of whining
> about OS X. and several more about OpenBSD, OpenSSH, etc. The reality is
> that these projects can get be
On Tue, 4 Sep 2012, Jan Owoc wrote:
I don't think the drive's model number or revision will change with a
system update. I don't know whether it detects sector size or simply
uses ashift=12 always (using 4k data sectors on a 512b drive doesn't
exactly have downsides). Either way it shouldn't req
Folks,
I got on board the OI boat seriously back in April. I love it. It has
pushed me to learn a lot about Solaris as an OS and certain technologies
(like SAS, SCSI) that probably wouldn't have had a place on the Mac I sold.
I want to work with it and use it in solutions I propose to Vet cli
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Magnus wrote:
>
> On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
>>
>> I expect that this became available in oi_151a_prestable5 (however,
>> oi_151a_prestable6 is out today!).
>
> I'm looking at http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/ and it looks like 151a5 is
> t
On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
>
> I expect that this became available in oi_151a_prestable5 (however,
> oi_151a_prestable6 is out today!).
Hi Bob,
I'm looking at http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/ and it looks like 151a5 is the
latest available to the public right now. Doe
On Tue, 4 Sep 2012, mag...@yonderway.com wrote:
On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:53:10 -0500 (CDT), Bob Friesenhahn
wrote:
I am unware of 4K sector disk "issues" in Illumos.
http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4883847
Most significantly, the issue was RESOLVED four months ago.
U
On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:53:10 -0500 (CDT), Bob Friesenhahn
wrote:
> I am unware of 4K sector disk "issues" in Illumos.
http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4883847
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On 4 September 2012 16:53, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
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> I am unware of 4K sector disk "issues" in Illumos.
Then you are very lucky/don't use EARS drives.
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That will require a better groomed Netatalk package & SMF manifest. Right
now that's a slightly messy thing to set up.
This to some extent goes back to something I've been talking about recently.
The current version of netatalk (v3) is actually excellent on OI. NetAFP added
cross-protocol
On Tue, 4 Sep 2012, mag...@yonderway.com wrote:
That would leave just a good HCL as an obstacle to wider use of OI.
The issues with modern/pervasive 4K sector disks on Illumos may also stifle
adoption.
I am unware of 4K sector disk "issues" in Illumos.
Bob
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inald Beardsley [mailto:pulask...@yahoo.com]
Sent: dinsdag 4 september 2012 17:02
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Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] "OpenIndiana lead Alasdair Lumsden resigns"
Is it really necessary to convince the freeNAS people to change?
Mark Creamer's re
On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 08:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Reginald Beardsley
wrote:
> Offer as an install time option a configuration of OI w/ ZFS as a file
> server in a mixed MacOS, Windows & *nix environment.
That will require a better groomed Netatalk package & SMF manifest. Right
now that's a slightly mess
Robin Axelsson wrote:
> From: Robin Axelsson
> Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] "OpenIndiana lead Alasdair Lumsden resigns"
> To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org
> Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 9:13 AM
> I certainly hope you are right. But I
> also hope you a
I certainly hope you are right. But I also hope you are aware of
survival bias that may "color" your past experiences. It is very easy to
look at the successful projects that have managed to survive over the
years in retrospect while forgetting about those project that died and
fell into oblivi
See comments below, in-line.
> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:29:48 +0200
> From: "Open Indiana"
> To: "'Discussion list for OpenIndiana'"
>
> Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] "OpenIndiana lead Alasdair Lumsden
> resigns"
&g
Michael Stapleton wrote:
> The future of OI is on the server, and it should have a usable
GUIinterface.
> But in my opinion, trying to support every Desktop application is a
bit futile.
Exactly.
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Open Indiana wrote:
> It's not that OI doesn't have to have a GUI, it's only that not all
settings
> have to be set OVER a GUI.
> Of course it needs a decent GUI, but that doesn't imply that you can
> change/alter anything without getting deeper and into the commandline.
Totally agreed. Though
Open Indiana wrote:
> I guess i sparked this discussion about the GUI.
Thanks for that. I cannot ignore GUI discussion.
> most people that call OI "a stupid OS" are the people that only use a
GUI to do things. ;-)
+1 :)))
> 1. Who wants to help develop OI?
I want. But unfortunately I do no
> Secondly I find it incredibly hard to start developing things on the
operating system.
I may be irrelevant here, but there are rapid application development
tools in modern computing world. One of them could be packaged for
OpenIndiana. I am talking about Lazarus - a RAD environment for Free
> But making OI look well-polished with a fancy and easy to administer
> web-admin GUI that would encourage the average-Joe to use it as a
> home-NAS / virtual server is not a bad thing.
It is not have to be fancy, but GUI is absolutely necessary. Well, I am
an average-Joe in UNIX world (develop
That is the right way to do it, but it will be a big challenge.
I have always though it a little crazy that we still store most of the
configuration data of a server on the server.
I don't know what Oracles plans are for Solaris, but bit by bit they are
moving all the service configuration in to S
I have been developing a virtualization product that runs on OI, It's
written in Java but uses ZFS and Comstar so the server side has to be
Iluminos/Solaris11 based.
For me, development and testing has been much more efficient by running
OI on my workstations and laptops.
When I'm traveling, I can
I, but that doesn't imply that you can
change/alter anything without getting deeper and into the commandline.
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On Sep 2, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Michael Stapleton wrote:
> Would not webmin be a good fit? Develop good modules for webmin to
> manage OI with.
Webmin is the past.
Management API's are the future. SmartOS is doing some compelling things in
this sphere that are worth looking at.
With a management
t for OpenIndiana
> Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] "OpenIndiana lead Alasdair Lumsden
> resigns"
>
> On 9/2/12 7:23 AM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> > On 2/09/12 02:48 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
> >> On Sat, 1 Sep 2012, Robin Axelsson wrote:
> >>>
>
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On 9/2/12 7:23 AM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> On 2/09/12 02:48 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
>
On 9/2/12 7:23 AM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
On 2/09/12 02:48 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
On Sat, 1 Sep 2012, Robin Axelsson wrote:
I'm fully aware of the power of the command line and it is the
command line that really makes me like Unix based OSes (including
Linux). But making OI look well-poli
On 2/09/12 02:48 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
On Sat, 1 Sep 2012, Robin Axelsson wrote:
I'm fully aware of the power of the command line and it is the
command line that really makes me like Unix based OSes (including
Linux). But making OI look well-polished with a fancy and easy to
administer
information we already have more (centralized) than we have right
now.
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From: Bob Friesenhahn [mailto:bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us]
Sent: zaterdag 1 september 2012 16:48
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Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] "OpenIndiana lead Alasdai
On Sat, 1 Sep 2012, Robin Axelsson wrote:
I'm fully aware of the power of the command line and it is the command line
that really makes me like Unix based OSes (including Linux). But making OI
look well-polished with a fancy and easy to administer web-admin GUI that
would encourage the averag
--- On Sat, 9/1/12, Robin Axelsson wrote:
> From: Robin Axelsson
> Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] "OpenIndiana lead Alasdair Lumsden resigns"
> To: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org
> Date: Saturday, September 1, 2012, 7:27 AM
> While I don't have a clue abo
harder and have not as much spare time as they used to have. When someone
needs to choose between his work or an OpenSource hobby the choose is easy.
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From: Bob Friesenhahn [mailto:bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us]
Sent: vrijdag 31 augustus 2012 21:00
To: Discussion list for
his work or an OpenSource hobby the choose is easy.
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From: Bob Friesenhahn [mailto:bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us]
Sent: vrijdag 31 augustus 2012 21:00
To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana
Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] "OpenIndiana lead Alasdair Lumsden
resigns"
Now we are talking!
I have been deploying Sun Rays for over 14 years.
It is a perfect solution and it needs rock solide virtualisation to
handle the large numbers of VMs.
ZFS and Comstar features would be great to use.
I am hoping that the next version of Oracle VDI/Sun Ray software
supports So
On 08/31/2012 09:22 PM, Ron Dawson wrote:
> In my workplace we are still using some SPARC desktop applications on aging
> Sun SPARC workstations and Tadpole laptops. We also utilize Sun Ray
> technology extensively in our training environment. (As an aside, I
> remember talking to Garrett back wh
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Bob Friesenhahn
wrote:
>> People come and go, that's just a fact of life. The important thing for
>> OpenIndiana now is to get over it, select a new project lead and rock
>> on. We are all just as saddened as you are to see Alasdair leave, but I
>> would hope OpenI
I'm also sad to hear that* *Alasdair Lumsden has resigned as lead of the
project. I was greatly heartened when Alasdair first announced the project
and have been using OI ever since the early releases on both my personal
laptop and as my new work desktop (my other work desktop is Solaris
10/SPARC)
People come and go, that's just a fact of life. The important thing for
OpenIndiana now is to get over it, select a new project lead and rock
on. We are all just as saddened as you are to see Alasdair leave, but I
would hope OpenIndiana was never just a single-person job.
The main risk at the m
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012, Jan Owoc wrote:
>
> NB: just because you are using a copyleft license still doesn't mean
> the people using your code must work with you; they could create a
> fork and ignore you, only publishing the code as a whole when they
> have a finished product (apparently Android was
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Open Indiana wrote:
> It is a true nightmare that the hard work of a lot of volunteers and the
> people of the old Sun company dies because it has been sucked empty by the
> commercial snakes. How Is it possible that companies can take
> opensource-code, wrap a com
On 31/08/12 07:31 PM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote:
People come and go, that's just a fact of life. The important thing
for OpenIndiana now is to get over it, select a new project lead and
rock on. We are all just as saddened as you are to see Alasdair leave,
but I would hope OpenIndiana was never just
On 08/31/2012 08:31 AM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> On 31/08/12 01:10 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>> On 08/30/12 06:08 PM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
>>> And the "farewell" message (if you can call it that) here:
>>>
>>> http://lwn.net/Articles/514046/
>> http://openindiana.org/pipermail/oi-dev/2012-August/
efield?
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From: Dave Koelmeyer [mailto:dave.koelme...@davekoelmeyer.co.nz]
Sent: vrijdag 31 augustus 2012 8:32
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Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] "OpenIndiana lead Alasdair Lumsden
resigns"
On 31/08/12 01:10 PM, Alan Co
On 31/08/12 01:10 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
On 08/30/12 06:08 PM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
And the "farewell" message (if you can call it that) here:
http://lwn.net/Articles/514046/
http://openindiana.org/pipermail/oi-dev/2012-August/thread.html has the original
message and responses on the dev
On 08/30/12 06:08 PM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:
> And the "farewell" message (if you can call it that) here:
>
> http://lwn.net/Articles/514046/
http://openindiana.org/pipermail/oi-dev/2012-August/thread.html has the original
message and responses on the developer list.
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And the "farewell" message (if you can call it that) here:
http://lwn.net/Articles/514046/
My response on this list forthcoming, once I get over the frankly deeply
shitty way in which it's been communicated.
Cheers,
Dave
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