Re: RFC 343 (v1) New Perl Mascot

2000-09-29 Thread Tim Conrow
Perl6 RFC Librarian wrote: > =head1 TITLE > > New Perl Mascot > > =head1 ABSTRACT > > Perl has no common symbol usable by the public at large to state to > the world "I am a Perl Programmer, and D**n Proud Of It!" > > =head1 DESCRIPTION > > The symbol that would be commonly used for this is t

RE: RFC 343 (v1) New Perl Mascot

2000-09-29 Thread Garrett Goebel
From: Tim Conrow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > I don't know trademark law, but it seems unlikely that > O'Reilly can trademark the concept of the camel, or all > representations of the camel. No. They can't trademark the "concept" of the camel. But they _have_ trademarked their camel logo and i

RE: RFC 343 (v1) New Perl Mascot

2000-09-29 Thread Rocco Caputo
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:46:44 -0500, David Grove wrote: [RFC 343 v1] A camel is a horse designed by committee. What do you get when you design a camel by committee? -- Rocco Caputo / [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFC 343 (v1) New Perl Mascot

2000-09-29 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Tim Conrow wrote: > I don't know trademark law, but it seems unlikely that O'Reilly can > trademark the concept of the camel, or all representations of the camel. I checked out the O'Reilly trademark at one point at the USA Trademark and Patent Office site. I don't have time to dig up the resul

Re: RFC 343 (v1) New Perl Mascot

2000-09-29 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
David Grove wrote: > > =head1 TITLE > > > > New Perl Mascot > > > > =head1 VERSION > > > > Maintainer: David Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 28 Sep 2000 > > Mailing List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Number: 343 > > Version: 1 > > Status: Developing > I hope you guys don't mind my placi

RE: RFC 343 (v1) New Perl Mascot

2000-09-29 Thread Chris Nandor
At 14:01 -0500 2000.09.29, Garrett Goebel wrote: >From: Tim Conrow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> I don't know trademark law, but it seems unlikely that >> O'Reilly can trademark the concept of the camel, or all >> representations of the camel. > >No. They can't trademark the "concept" of the ca

Re: RFC 343 (v1) New Perl Mascot

2000-09-29 Thread Mike Lacey
Err.. A new version of a popular programming language? - Original Message - From: "Rocco Caputo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 8:20 PM Subject: RE: RFC 343 (v1) New Perl Mascot > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:46:44 -0

RFC 211 (v2) The Artistic License Must Be Changed

2000-09-29 Thread Perl6 RFC Librarian
This and other RFCs are available on the web at http://dev.perl.org/rfc/ =head1 TITLE The Artistic License Must Be Changed =head1 VERSION Maintainer: Bradley M. Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 12 Sep 2000 Last Modified: 29 Sep 2000 Mailing List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Number: 211 Versi

RFC 219 (v2) Perl6's License Should Be a Minor Bugfix of Perl5's License

2000-09-29 Thread Perl6 RFC Librarian
This and other RFCs are available on the web at http://dev.perl.org/rfc/ =head1 TITLE Perl6's License Should Be a Minor Bugfix of Perl5's License =head1 VERSION Maintainer: Bradley M. Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 13 Sep 2000 Last Modified: 29 Sep 2000 Mailing List: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RFC 346 (v1) Perl6's License Should be (GPL|Artistic-2.0)

2000-09-29 Thread Perl6 RFC Librarian
This and other RFCs are available on the web at http://dev.perl.org/rfc/ =head1 TITLE Perl6's License Should be (GPL|Artistic-2.0) =head1 VERSION Maintainer: Bradley M. Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 29 Sep 2000 Mailing List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Number: 346 Version: 1 Status: Devel

RE: RFC 346 (v1) Perl6's License Should be (GPL|Artistic-2.0)

2000-09-29 Thread David Grove
YES. This is starting to make better sense and provide for some protections. Comments inserted. > Permissions for Redistribution of Modified Versions of the Package as Source > > (4) You may modify your copy of the source code of this Package in any way > and distribute that Modified Ve

RE: RFC 346 (v1) Perl6's License Should be (GPL|Artistic-2.0)

2000-09-29 Thread David Grove
> >(b) ensure that the installation of Your non-source Modified Version > >does not conflict in any way with an installation of the > >Standard > >Version, and include for each program installed by the Modified > >Version clear documentation

RE: RFC 343 (v1) New Perl Mascot

2000-09-29 Thread David Grove
Wait, is this a logic puzzle? A camel is designed by a committee, and is a horse what is a camel designed by committee? Answer is simple... a camel. it's actually a horse designed by committee unless I missed something Is this like the old question, if a rooster was sitting on a roof and lai

Re: RFC 346 (v1) Perl6's License Should be (GPL|Artistic-2.0)

2000-09-29 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
David Grove wrote: > > >(b) ensure that the installation of Your non-source Modified Version > > >does not conflict in any way with an installation of the > > >Standard > > >Version, and include for each program installed by the Modified > > >

Issues of (6c) in Artistic-2.0 (was Re: RFC 346 (v1) Perl6's License Should be (GPL|Artistic-2.0))

2000-09-29 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
From Artistic-2.0beta3 > > (4) You may modify your copy of the source code of this Package in any way > > and distribute that Modified Version (either gratis or for a > > Distribution Fee, and with or without a corresponding binary, bytecode > > or object code version of the M

Why (7) and (8) in the Artistic-2.0 (was Re: RFC 346 (v1) Perl6's License Should be (GPL|Artistic-2.0))

2000-09-29 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
> > (7) You may aggregate this Package (either the Standard Version or > > Modified Version) with other packages and distribute the resulting > > aggregation provided that You do not charge a licensing fee for the > > Package. Distribution Fees are permitted, and licensing fee

Changes from 2.0beta2 to 2.0beta3

2000-09-29 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
> The Artistic License > Version 2.0beta3, October 2000 I just realized that some of you might have read 2.0beta2 and don't want to take the time to read beta3. Here's the change, so you can view them quickly. I'll do the same for future ver

Re: RFC 343 (v1) New Perl Mascot

2000-09-29 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
> New Perl Mascot > > Maintainer: David Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 28 Sep 2000 > Mailing List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Number: 343 > Version: 1 > Status: Developing I basically agree that we need a mascot, and one that isn't encumbered by a proprietary trademark license. Howeve

RE: Issues of (6c) in Artistic-2.0 (was Re: RFC 346 (v1) Perl6's License Should be (GPL|Artistic-2.0))

2000-09-29 Thread David Grove
>(c) ensure that the Modified Version includes notification of the >changes made from the Standard Version, and offer the >machine-readable source of the Modified Version, under the exact >license of the Standard Version, by mail order. I feel a "in exc

RE: RFC 346 (v1) Perl6's License Should be (GPL|Artistic-2.0)

2000-09-29 Thread David Grove
On Friday, September 29, 2000 9:31 PM, Bradley M. Kuhn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > David Grove wrote: > > > >(b) ensure that the installation of Your non-source Modified > > > >Version > > > >does not conflict in any way with an installation of the > > > >

RE: Why (7) and (8) in the Artistic-2.0 (was Re: RFC 346 (v1) Perl6's License Should be (GPL|Artistic-2.0))

2000-09-29 Thread David Grove
> > Let ActiveState make their PerlScript, PerlEX, and pseudocompiler if they > > want, and charge whatever they want for it. But if perl is to be free, it > > needs to be redistributable without any loopholes providing them the > > ability to proprietarize the language itself, or make a community