Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 12.07.13 01:58, schrieb Christian Heimes: For Python 3.4 is going to be a very close call. According to PEP 429 3.4.0 final is scheduled for February 22, 2014. The extended support phase of Windows XP ends merely 45 days later on April 8, 2014. Do we really have to restrict ourselves to an

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-16 Thread Tim Golden
On 12/07/2013 00:58, Christian Heimes wrote: Hi, how do you feel about dropping Windows XP support for Python 3.4? It would enable us to use some features that are only available on Windows Vista and newer, for example http://bugs.python.org/issue6926 and http://bugs.python.org/issue1763 .

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Ben Finney writes: Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org writes: I don't see any good reason to take into account what Microsoft does or doesn't support. It seems you're advocating a position quite ad odds with URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0011/#id7. Not at all. The

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-12 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 12 July 2013 13:27, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com wrote: +1. And maybe amend PEP 11 to specify whose extended support phase does not expire within 6 months of release? (I picked 6 for no particular reason.)

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-12 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:28:49 -0400 R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:49:54 +1200, Ben Hoyt benh...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it has to be dropped at some stage, but with Windows XP it's a case of XP is dead. Long live XP! There are still an awful lot of XP

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-12 Thread Christian Heimes
Am 12.07.2013 03:49, schrieb Ben Hoyt: I guess it has to be dropped at some stage, but with Windows XP it's a case of XP is dead. Long live XP! There are still an awful lot of XP boxes out there, and I'd kind hate to see support dropped completely. We still use it here at home.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-12 Thread Michael Urman
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Christian Heimes christ...@python.org wrote: For Python 3.4 is going to be a very close call. According to PEP 429 3.4.0 final is scheduled for February 22, 2014. The extended support phase of Windows XP ends merely 45 days later on April 8, 2014. Do we really

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-12 Thread Guido van Rossum
You underestimate the reach of XP. For older or underpowered hardware outside the developed world it is still the de facto choice. And it definitely is the best version of Windows ever. None of the Win98 crap and none of the Vista junk. Telling people to go install Ubuntu is not really fair if

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-12 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 7/12/2013 8:50 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: You underestimate the reach of XP. For older or underpowered hardware outside the developed world it is still the de facto choice. And it definitely is the best version of Windows ever. None of the Win98 crap and none of the Vista junk. Telling

[Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Christian Heimes
Hi, how do you feel about dropping Windows XP support for Python 3.4? It would enable us to use some features that are only available on Windows Vista and newer, for example http://bugs.python.org/issue6926 and http://bugs.python.org/issue1763 . PEP 11 says: A new feature release X.Y.0 will

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Steve Dower
be taken out for 3.4.1. Since 3.4.1 is almost certainly going to be after the end of extended support, better to drop it for .0 Steve From: Christian Heimes Subject: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL Hi, how do you feel about dropping Windows XP support

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Ben Hoyt
I guess it has to be dropped at some stage, but with Windows XP it's a case of XP is dead. Long live XP! There are still an awful lot of XP boxes out there, and I'd kind hate to see support dropped completely. We still use it here at home. Wikipedia/Net Applications says that Windows XP has still

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:49:54 +1200, Ben Hoyt benh...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it has to be dropped at some stage, but with Windows XP it's a case of XP is dead. Long live XP! There are still an awful lot of XP boxes out there, and I'd kind hate to see support dropped completely. We still use it

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Ben Hoyt
Ah, yeah, that makes sense -- thanks for the further explanation. True about older versions of Python not going away. What about just have these attributes/functions on OSes that support it, for example os.kill on Python 2.6 vs 2.7? I'm afraid it's not that simple. The issue (as I

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Steve Dower writes: I don't see any good reason for Python to support an OS that Microsoft doesn't, How about the *users* of that OS? I don't see any good reason to take into account what Microsoft does or doesn't support. If that lack of support leads to Python users dropping XP like hot

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com wrote: +1. And maybe amend PEP 11 to specify whose extended support phase does not expire within 6 months of release? (I picked 6 for no particular reason.) Why have the specification in PEP 11 if we feel we can change the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Ben Finney
Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org writes: I don't see any good reason to take into account what Microsoft does or doesn't support. It seems you're advocating a position quite ad odds with URL:http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0011/#id7. Can you propose an amendment to PEP 11 that would