Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Paolo Cavallini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. Il 10/11/2014 13:13, Jonathan Moules ha scritto: > Then why not fix the bugs and require them to be backported? I > know that seems flippant, but is there a reason that backporting by > the submitter/committer can't be required for any bugfix

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Jonathan Moules
sources than QGIS. Just my 2p. Cheers, Jonathan -Original Message- From: qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Cavallini Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:59 AM To: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer]

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Matthias Kuhn
Hi all, QEP #4 allows to do backports for every release. Not only LTR. 2.6.1 will be very welcome. LTR releases will be available for 1 year and will receive bugfixes during that time. That's not going to happen magically. That requires power users and organizations to help the development. Thank

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:56:22AM +, Nathan Woodrow wrote: > relevant.. This obviously has to be done smart but using the recent crash > and project corruption as an example that Martin fixed right away, to me > this warrants a new release off that branch, LTS or not, as project > corruption

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Roy
Hi Paolo and all developers, Il 10/11/2014 09.42, Paolo Cavallini ha scritto: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 10/11/2014 09:31, Martin Dobias ha scritto: really valued much beyond the above scores, but it's nice to see people get excited about such geeky stuff. Hi all, I hat

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Paolo Cavallini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 10/11/2014 10:56, Nathan Woodrow ha scritto: > IMO we don't need "resources" to do bug fixing. The dev that does > the bug fix in master can do it in the 2.x branch for that stable > release if Sorry I do not agree here: we had many cases of fixe

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Paolo Cavallini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 10/11/2014 10:42, Luca Manganelli ha scritto: > So, I believe that in production environment the most stable (!= > latest) version is used. For almost 2 years we used 1.7.4, for me > the most stable QGIS version in earth (more than 2.4 and 2.6!).

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Nathan Woodrow
> So, I believe that in production environment the most stable (!= latest) version is used. For almost 2 years we used 1.7.4, for me the most stable QGIS version in earth (more than 2.4 and 2.6!). Oh man. I couldn't even use 1.7.4 anymore it's so old ;) Anyway the point is a valid one. Running t

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:42:42AM +0100, Luca Manganelli wrote: > So, I believe that in production environment the most stable (!= > latest) version is used. For almost 2 years we used 1.7.4, for me the > most stable QGIS version in earth (more than 2.4 and 2.6!). Yep, that little third number i

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Luca Manganelli
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: > To me, the whole issue boils down to having resources to do > serious backporting of fixes. Without that, LTS will have no practical > effect, as users will use the latest, more bugfixed version. "more bugfixed" is not always true. We had

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Paolo Cavallini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 10/11/2014 09:31, Martin Dobias ha scritto: > really valued much beyond the above scores, but it's nice to see > people get excited about such geeky stuff. Hi all, I hate cooling down the enthusiasm, but I really see LTS as an empty word. To me,

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Martin Dobias
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Luca Manganelli wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Geo DrinX wrote: >> Yes yes yes. >> >> +1 >> >> but also +999 :) > > And why not + ? Seeing this I can't resist to quote a bit of PEP-10 [1] """ +1 I like it +0 I don't care, but go ahead -0 I don

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Luca Manganelli
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Geo DrinX wrote: > Yes yes yes. > > +1 > > but also +999 :) And why not + ? ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-10 Thread Mathieu Pellerin
Anita, Thanks for pointing out QEP#4, I wasn't aware of it. Tim has done an impressive work there. The above-mentioned QEP is a long term thing, what I was suggesting is a very short term (i.e. 2 cycles) proposal to try and satisfy the current needs for stability and devlopment momentum. I also a

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-09 Thread Anita Graser
Are you aware of QEP3? Please read Tim's suggestion. There are good reasons for this stable 4 month cycle at exactly the current release times of the year. Best wishes Anita On Nov 10, 2014 5:57 AM, "Geo DrinX" wrote: > Yes yes yes. > > +1 > > but also +999 :) > > > Roberto > > 2014-11-10 2:

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-09 Thread Zoltan Szecsei
Hi, I am not part of the development of QGIS, but as a user, please consider the following: Currently every 3rd release of QGIS is billed as a Long Term Release. So: Switch this to February every Even numbered year Yes, this thought is in line with Ubuntu LTS plans, and I am ware not

Re: [Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-09 Thread Geo DrinX
Yes yes yes. +1 but also +999 :) Roberto 2014-11-10 2:27 GMT+01:00 Mathieu Pellerin : > Guys, > > The recent thread Nyall kick-started with his “QGIS 3.0?” email got me to > think about the eternal stability vs. development dilemma it (re-)exposed > through the conversation. > > More spe

[Qgis-developer] Stability (2.8 LTS) vs development (3.0), a proposed way forward

2014-11-09 Thread Mathieu Pellerin
Guys, The recent thread Nyall kick-started with his “QGIS 3.0?” email got me to think about the eternal stability vs. development dilemma it (re-)exposed through the conversation. More specifically, it got me to brainstorm on the best way forward for QGIS at this juncture and whether there's a w