Re: [sugar] Collaboration Goals (was [Sugar-devel] XO identity shared via Browse)

Hi Robert et al, We really appreciate your staying engaged with the project and we still need your help along with that of Guillaume! Thanks a lot for sticking with us, despite the often acerbic nature of the lists :-( There are many moving parts and lots of difficult problems here. I don't k

Re: [sugar] XO identity shared via Browse

for that, I'm not partial to the technology and if there's no consensus we can live without it. I'm OK with the debate but if we release 9.1.0 without making it easy to get your files off the XS and to automaticaly associate with the right Moodle identity, then we will miss

[sugar] XO identity shared via Browse

Hi Tomeu and Browse engineers, Talking with Martin L recently he mentioned that you have some ideas on how the XO can communicate its identity (e.g. serial # and maybe user name) with a web server. We're mostly thinking of the school server as the server side but a more generic solution may be

Re: [sugar] OLPC Afghanistan

Hi Ebtihaj, I came across two pages in our wiki which refer to OLPC Afghanistan: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/One_Laptop_Per_Child_Afghanistan and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Afghanistan They are very similar but not exactly the same. Can you collapse them both in to a single page? By tradition

Re: [sugar] notes on 8.2.0, specifically 767 (was 8.2.1)

Hi Bryan, I think you have some movement on some of these. I added some more comments below. > * Why is 767 noticeably slower than 703? GS - We believe that its "faster" than 703 but its hard to prove. Activity launch time is one variable. Since we put up an image now, that may seem slower bu

Re: [sugar] AbiWord 2.6.5 pushed, please test!

Hi Marc, Can you make a .xo file that people can download and install via the browser on the XO? If you can post that, I think I can get a few Arabic speakers with Arabic XOs to try it out. Thanks, Greg S Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:14:44 +0100 From: "J.M. Maurer" <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [sugar] Sugar unusable as an e-book reader

Hi All, I got the impression from this thread that the XO is mostly unusable as an eBook reader for our deployments: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-October/thread.html#20662 I may have been too hasty in making that assumption. Can I get some comments on XO book reader modes which

[sugar] Collaboration Requirements

Hi Ben et al, I wont be able to make the collaboration discussion tonight but I wanted to send out my requirements one more time. See: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0_Collaboration_Requirements linked from: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap#Synchronous_Collaboration For the record, her

Re: [sugar] Sugar Digest 2008-11-17

Hi Walter et al, Big +1 on this sentence: > the appropriation of knowledge within > the context of a critical dialog is a powerful model for both learning > and software development. That's an elegant formulation and IMHO it touches on a key point. I think context and participants for that d

Re: [sugar] SugarCamp

Hi Marco et al, re: > I'd like to propose another one: > > - How Sugar Labs could better work with OLPC in satisfying their > customers. (Greg Smith) > Marco I'm open to it if there is interest and time available. I'd likely do an open discussion with a few

[sugar] Use cases and work flows (was Sugar Digest 2008-10-27)

Hi Michael, Can you add your use cases on this page for tracking? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Use_Cases That page includes some older stuff and some newer stuff so it could be re-organized and then linked from the [[Feature roadmap]] page. Let me know how it goes. I have an outstanding task on m

Re: [sugar] Deadline for new modules proposals

Hi Guys, Where can I get more info on what is new in 0.83? Changelogs from GIT is OK but if there is any higher level write up (e.g. list of trac bugs resolved and features if any) that would be more helpful. Thanks, Greg S > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:24:22 +0100 > From: "Marco Pesenti Gritt

[sugar] Proposals for XO Mini-conference Due by Monday October 27

Hi All, We are planning a mini-conference at OLPC headquarters November 17 - 21. For more information, see the conference wiki page at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2 Please post any proposals for talks directly on the wiki page at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2#Proposals Starting at

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Persistent activity storage (Bert Freudenberg)

Hi Michael et al, I thought that starting an activity from the Home View would start it with no "state" preserved from the last time it was used. Starting it from a Journal entry would start it with the "state" of the saved (kept?) instance, including any files that we worked on before. In the

Re: [sugar] Sugar Digest, Vol 28, Issue 82

Hi Marco, You should read my weekly report :-) See: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-October/019997.html I can send that to the sugar list too if people want to see it here. I only discovered this one in recently and I agree that its got some very useful stuff in it. Thanks, Greg

[sugar] Call for Proposals for OLPC miniconference November 17-21, 2008

ent page [2] or by emailing your ideas to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Thanks, Greg Smith OLPC Product Manager on behalf of the OLPC development team [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp [2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2#Sessions ___ Sugar mailing list Su

[sugar] Announcing the General Availability of XO Software Release 8.2.0

://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.0 Thanks to the many people who gave their time and energy to make this release a reality. Thanks, Greg Smith OLPC Product Manager ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo

Re: [sugar] Slowness (was Re: notes from the field Mongolia) and other threads

Hi Elana, Thanks a lot for all your posts and offers of follow up! Its a real breakthrough for the content and quality of discussion on the lists. Thanks, Greg S ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar

[sugar] re Journal Requirements and preparing kids (was something else)

Hi Tomeu, Thanks for asking. The product manager role is only meaningful if developers and users feel they benefit from it :-) A note on my perspective. So far I have been able to focus exclusively on XO + Sugar Software. I don't think much about other OSes on XO (e.g. Fedora or Windows) or Su

Re: [sugar] adding versions to journal/datastore

Hi Guys, This is a great discussion and very helpful design interaction! Just sampling a few items on this thread I have two high level comments: 1 - The primary requirement for the Journal is to never lose data. I think there are some known issues with the datastore but I'm not sure where the

Re: [sugar] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help, Testing

Hi Sameer, I don't see a lot of support yet (I had to look up innumerate in the dictionary :-) but the Google spreadsheet has been very helpful for me. I like to think I'm not innumerate but I can be obdurate. I hope we keep using it and people can take what they want from it. Each release tha

Re: [sugar] Test Results Needed for Activities in 8.2

. I will work on setting a milestone for choosing and testing activities in the next release. Thanks, Greg S Greg Smith wrote: > Hi All, > > Thanks for all the input activities to ship with G1G1. > > However, I didn't get a lot of test results. The most important dec

[sugar] Test Results Needed for Activities in 8.2

Hi All, Thanks for all the input activities to ship with G1G1. However, I didn't get a lot of test results. The most important decision criteria is evidence that an activity is known to work well (preferably with 8.2-760 or later). I put all the main activities mentioned in Sameer's Google spr

[sugar] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing

Hi All, Thanks a lot for the input on which activities to ship! Here is the list of activities I will to management as my suggestion on what we ship. Please help test these! See the end of the e-mail for instructions. The list I recommend is essentially the G1G1 activities (kudos to the team

[sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

Hi All, We need to pick the activities we ship with 8.2 when its manufactured for G1G1 users. Management needs to sign off on the final list as early as next week. Its not definitive but we want your input on what we should include. What do you think are the most important activities to includ

Re: [sugar] Sugar deployment discussion

u like an specific hour ? > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi Walter and team, >> >> This looks like an interesting meeting and I would like to go but I have >> a conflict at that time. >> >> Can you do Noon US

Re: [sugar] Sugar deployment discussion

Hi Walter and team, This looks like an interesting meeting and I would like to go but I have a conflict at that time. Can you do Noon US ET tomorrow (Wed.) or the 10AM US ET Thursday? Thanks, Greg S > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:58:07 -0400 > From: "Walter Bender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject:

Re: [sugar] Sugar Digest 2008-09-08 (Walter Bender)

Hi Walter, Thanks for the informative report as always! On point #10, I agree that there was phenomenal feedback and test results last week. I think I saw all the reports listed below on devel and sugar lists except "Team Per?". Do you have a URL to that feedback? Thanks, Greg S ***

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] screenshots hurt

Hi Marco, I think its your call if this looks too invasive to stuff in the release at this stage. I think task switching is important but not super-common. The frame open and close seems much more common and slowness there can appear like slowness within the activity. Would it be possible to

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] REVISED screenshots hurt (Erik Garrison)

Hi Guys, That's a winner! Thanks to Martin D for explaining that screen shots are only used in the Journal details view. That makes sense now. I leave it to Michael et al to decide if this patch is safe enough to try in the release candidate. If it improves performance as much as it appears,

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] screenshots hurt

? Sorry I would check this myself but I'm not in front of an XO right now (need to bring some home again ASAP). Thanks, Greg S Erik Garrison wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 06:50:00PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] screenshots hurt

: "Tomeu Vizoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [sugar] [PATCH] screenshots hurt To: "Erik Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: sugar@lists.laptop.org, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-88

Re: [sugar] 0.84 goals

Hi Marco et al, This is very helpful work on planning the next release. A few high level process-like comments from me for starters. 1 - I think we need more time. I believe that I saw somewhere that we want to finalize the choice of target features by 9/7. I wont have time to devote to 9.1 (t

Re: [sugar] Release Cycle (David Farning)

Hi David, Very constructive and encouraging e-mail! The PDF looks interesting too. Thanks, Greg S *** Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:34:44 -0500 From: David Farning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [sugar] Release Cycle To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: tex

Re: [sugar] Question about write from Niue -OLPC training

Hi Guys, Great question! So basic but so relevant! I don't think its just the image size, but I'm open to suggestions. I found one way using build 703 to get an image off the web and in to write. Open Browse and go to the page you want to get the image from. Then hold down the shift key and cl

Re: [sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list

th the new communication channels. "We can rebuild him, we have the technology ... better than he was before, better, stronger, faster!" http://www.technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DaZ9phMCn_Lw :-) Thanks, Greg S Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > Greg Smith wrote: >> Hi Bern

Re: [sugar] New joyride build 2258 (Eben Eliason)

Hi All, +1 on not reaching out over the network or doing anything without user input. I'm also nervous about the software update icon in the control panel going out over the network and doing something immediately after you click and before you do anything else with the Update interface. Is t

Re: [sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list

ou go, but the more we focus the project on a limited set of URLs, the better. Thanks, Greg S Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Greg Smith wrote: >> I prefer it on lists.laptop.org. Mainly because I don't have capacity >> to watch lists from two mailman servers. > > What do yo

Re: [sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list

Hi Morgan, I prefer it on lists.laptop.org. Mainly because I don't have capacity to watch lists from two mailman servers. It also depends somewhat on the purpose. We need to communicate dependencies, APIs, and other things related to activities on the XO. Hopefully we can use this list for tha

Re: [sugar] Design Question

te: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 01:06:21 +0100 > From: Martin Dengler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [sugar] Design Question > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: sugar > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Fri, Jul 18,

Re: [sugar] Performance

Hi Michael, 7395 has a release contract (see http://dev.laptop.org/report/18) I believe that we will lose a lot of other work too if we don't fix it. What do we need to do to get this assigned and resolved? I upped the priority to Blocker (will negotiate from there as needed :-). All, Looking

Re: [sugar] Sugar Digest, Vol 25, Issue 94

Hi Ben, Thanks for the input. I'm glad you sent this before the launch of 8.2.0 as it would be very discouraging to launch a new release then have one of the lead engineers say "this sucks" ;-) That said, I don't think we can address many (any?) of these things in 8.2.0 due to the constraints

Re: [sugar] RTL blocker for 8.2.0?

Hi Guys, RTL is a blocker and it should be all RTL issues unless we can show that they are cosmetic or there is an acceptable work around. The reason they are show stoppers is that we have major Arabic deployments planned for this fall and winter (northern hemisphere). I believe these are regr

Re: [sugar] Performance

Hi Tomeu, Thanks for the info. No change in plan right now. I'm just looking for background info and ideas. Please forge ahead as already planned for now. Thanks, Greg S Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I&#x

Re: [sugar] Performance

what build Miguel was basing his >> assessment on? >> >> -walter >> >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I just got word from a decision maker that they are very >>> concerned ab

[sugar] Performance

Hi All, I just got word from a decision maker in Uruguay that they are very concerned about "performance". They say that Sugar is slow. I'm probing to get more details but I want to evaluate the options in parallel. Focus is on improving this in 8.2.0. Here are the areas I can think of: - Acti

[sugar] Filling the Journal

Hi All, I've come to appreciate that the journal behavior can be variable depending on how many items it has. Aside from the NAND full crash, I think it works slow or not at all in older release (e.g. 656) if many items are in the journal. The test team could use an automated method to fill th

[sugar] Design Question

Hi All, Can I get a quick +1/-1 on this question related to http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7331 The new Home View in 8.2.0 will have three available styles. We need to pick one to default on first upgrade or install. Choices are: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_Freeform_View8.2.png http://wi

[sugar] Bug Triage

Hi All, Its crunch time for 8.2.0! We need triage the bug list down to must fix items and focus on those. We're on for another bug triage on IRC (Freenode.net channel #sugar-meeting) Monday 9AM US ET. We will walk through the bug lists linked from here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam

Re: [sugar] 8.2.0 Release Notes

x/Frame > > -walter > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I need the latest, final, definitive screen shots and documentation on >> new Sugar GUI planned for 8.2.0 in the release notes ASAP. >> &g

[sugar] Hiring for Sugar

Hi All, We have a posted job opening for a Sugar UI coder: http://laptop.org/en/jobs.shtml#User%20Interface%20Developer%20for%20Sugar We prefer someone in Cambridge. MA, USA but if you are a superstar pygtk coder, remote may work too. Please spread the word and get us some top notch resumes ASA

Re: [sugar] EduBlog Image upload issue (Tarun Pondicherry)

Hi All, Really sorry that I cross posted this EduBlog thread to sugar! That was an e-mail autocomplete error on my part :-( I need to slow down. Its not intended to be a sugar issue. Nevertheless let me know if you have any questions on it. I'll try to quash it back off the list ASAP. My apo

Re: [sugar] EduBlog Image upload issue

Hi Tarun, I'm not sure that option 2 will work. I'm not optimistic :-( Tomeu said he will try to look at this weekend. Hopefully he can comment or help direct you. We're in deep trouble here so I'm relaxing the no changes to XO position. Changes to any activity that are well bounded and don't

Re: [sugar] Sugar adds favorite activities to ring (Eben Eliason)

Hi Guys, On upgrade from 656, 703, 708 or any release which has no favorites concept, I think we should start with all activities visible in all Home Views (AKA in favorites). Is that what we will get with 8.2.0? I agree with putting any new activity it in favorites on first install too. Than

Re: [sugar] 8.2.0 Release Notes

like "For this release, Sugar and > the core activities support languages (which means more than 80% > of the UI is translated). The languages are " > > http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.22/#rni18 would be a good > example > Thanks, > Sayamindu >

[sugar] 8.2.0 Release Notes

Hi All, I need the latest, final, definitive screen shots and documentation on new Sugar GUI planned for 8.2.0 in the release notes ASAP. I plan to send release notes to deployment leads to see if they are interested in using 8.2.0. I will say that the release notes are subject to change but i

Re: [sugar] proposed addition to the Activities page templete

Hi Walter, Thanks for scraping that off the sur list. +1 on the entire idea from me. My only concern is to try and keep it to one definitive page. This is the one I am currently aware of. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities Are you talking about updating that or something else? Thanks, Gre

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

tivity is compatible with. (fixme: need to specify sugar versions somewhere. Obviously we start with 1.)" if this is incorrect, please, PLEASE (!!) remove it from the f$# %ing bit rot wiki! Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:10:56AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: >> Wh

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

+1 on Gary's comments! Hysterical and spot on. Please keep them coming and let me know if I can help you with your project participation. This is an important discussion about version numbers. The most important part will be coming to a working assumption (albeit temporary and subject to change

Re: [sugar] Sugar and OLPC release processes

Hi Marco, Thanks for working on this! I don't have much to add except to say that I'm OK with whatever is the consensus of "engineering". I think the Sugar release process and schedule is pretty well defined and certainly better documented than the XO process and schedule at this point. I'm w

Re: [sugar] Graphical Sugar Control Panel

Hi Chris, Good idea, will do. I'm trying to write the documentation about what it does for people who are trying to decide if they want to try this release (in release notes). So they wont have the release itself to try out and we'll need a written explanation of it at some point. I'll try it

[sugar] Graphical Sugar Control Panel

Hi All, Can I get a link to any documentation on what the new Graphical Sugar Control panel will support in XO release 8.2.0? I tried searching the sugar wiki and OLPC wiki but didn't see it after 1/2 hour of trying :-( FYI I did find this on the current sugar control panel: http://wiki.lapto

Re: [sugar] Sugar mtg reminder, 3rd July 2008 --- 17.00 UTC ---, irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

Hi All, Very nice schedule and patch submission guidelines! Its great work and very helpful in showing how to create a transparent process that encourages people to participate. A few questions is the new Sugar GUI available in Spanish, how about other languages? Can you add a step in the pro

Re: [sugar] hot corners

r list (e-mail is maxed out). Please forward there as needed. I'll also comment one more time on Frame thread on devel list. -Original Message- From: Walter Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 11:34 PM To: Marco Pesenti Gritti Cc: Simon Schampijer; Greg

Re: [sugar] 65-node simple mesh test (and counting... ;-)

i.laptop.org/go/Ceibal_Jam I asked them to try out a few mesh tests if they have enough Xos. I'll let you know if they get any useful results. Thanks, Greg S -Original Message- From: Morgan Collett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:01 AM To: Greg Smith (gregmsmi)