Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC] SSB creator

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
Update http://honeyweb.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/ssb-creator/ 2009/6/7 Bobby Powers : > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lucian > Branescu wrote: >> For my project, I will extend Browse with the ability to create SSBs. >> Read more here http://honeyweb.wordpress.com/2009/06/06/the-user-experience/ >

[Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-06-10

2009-06-10 Thread Walter Bender
===Sugar Digest=== 1. In a week full of accomplishments, one event stands out. Caroline Meeks has received a grant from the Gould Foundation in support of the Sugar-on-a-Stick pilot at a Boston public elementary school. We'll begin the pilot by participating in a five-week summer program, which wi

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Clock-5

2009-06-10 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Url: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4191 Release notes: Reviewer comments: Fighting through all the Admin text fields again... Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

[Sugar-devel] Epub and Read

2009-06-10 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hi all, I have been working on getting Epub support into Read, and here is the first screenshot: http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/screenshot_read_epub.png It is not based on Evince, but on webkit (I had tried to implement a backend for Evince, but lack of well defined pagination in many (most??) E

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Gary C Martin
On 10 Jun 2009, at 18:24, James Simmons wrote: > Martin, > > I phrased that poorly. A kid might care that James Simmons wrote > Read Etexts. He probably won't care if James Simmons is a part of > Sugar Labs, or part of the community, or if it was part of GCompris, > or if we consider Read

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Walter Bender
FWIW, the 100 or so GCompris activities have an internal organization as well: maths physics puzzles reading amusements strategy games discovery learn about the computer -walter On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > Hi James, > > On 10 Jun 2009, at 17:48, James Simmons wrote: >

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi James, On 10 Jun 2009, at 17:48, James Simmons wrote: > Martin, > > First and foremost ASLO has to make sense to grade school kids and > their teachers. That's why I didn't care for GCompris as a > category. Now since we can give an Activity up to three Categories > it might make sense

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:29:25PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: >I meant the code. I really don't have time, but someone could do a >benchmark since there is code for Browse-webkit. As rough as it may >be. Ahh, I get it now .-) >Firefox is sti

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
I meant the code. I really don't have time, but someone could do a benchmark since there is code for Browse-webkit. As rough as it may be. Firefox is still way behind, especially on embedded devices. 2009/6/10 Jonas Smedegaard : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > On Wed, J

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 09:33:22PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: >Apparently someone did that for me >http://www.j5live.com/2007/08/02/webkit-and-xulrunner-mozilla-side-by-side-on-the-xo/ That one I believe is known to old-timers of this list.

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
Apparently someone did that for me http://www.j5live.com/2007/08/02/webkit-and-xulrunner-mozilla-side-by-side-on-the-xo/ 2009/6/10 Martin Langhoff : > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Lucian > Branescu wrote: >> I don't think I have the results anymore, but benches between >> epiphany-webkit and e

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
Not now, I have my own work to do for GSoC. I have talked to tomeu about what it would take to give Browse the ability to switch between engines. The general conclusion was that another layer of indirection would be needed, on top of hulahop/pywebkitgtk that Browse would use. Hand tuning or not,

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Lucian Branescu wrote: > I don't think I have the results anymore, but benches between > epiphany-webkit and epiphany-gecko were very similar. Lucian -- what Jonas and I are trying to say is: even if gecko is (was?) by less "performant" than webkit on a standard ma

Re: [Sugar-devel] meshing XOs with netbooks (WAS: Re: [Bugs] #79 NORM: SOAS should mesh network when possible)

2009-06-10 Thread simon
> outside bugtracker > > I'm not aware of the existence of any 802.11s USB adapters which could > be plugged into a netbook for mesh. > There is a project for 802.11s on Linux, which I believe is now in the main kernel. http://www.open80211s.org/ I have a device 'zd1211rw' which is partially supp

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Please help us choose a Sugar on a Stick boot animation sequence by tomorrow

2009-06-10 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
FWIW + 1 Ring of dots :) Rafael Ortiz On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Faisal Sadeq Khan wrote: > +1 Ring of dots > > Best wishes. > > Faisal > > -- > One Laptop per Child (OLPC) > "Opening new opportunities to children the world over." > http://laptop.org/en/vision > > > > > 2009/6/10 Bastie

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
I don't think I have the results anymore, but benches between epiphany-webkit and epiphany-gecko were very similar. The benchmarks I've used stress the browser engine, especially javascript. Perceived performance is usually better with webkit as well, though. 2009/6/10 Jonas Smedegaard : > -B

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 I wrote earlier: >> Politics aside, I do not doubt that webkit might perform better than >> mozilla.  In some situations.  Optimized in certain ways.  'Cause >> there are a bunch of complex factors, as I understand it (and I don't >> understand

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 07:08:45PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > FWIW, I have tried and failed to understand fructose, glucose, honey, > etc. When I get around to writing a little Activity I guess I'll climb > that learning curve. > > I'm sure it's a useful classification system, but I don't think > t

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
I think we're in violent agreement: different taxonomies are great in that they can serve different needs [and we don't want to confuse anyone if we can help it]. pgpdksCQeiY9L.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@list

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread James Simmons
Martin, I phrased that poorly. A kid might care that James Simmons wrote Read Etexts. He probably won't care if James Simmons is a part of Sugar Labs, or part of the community, or if it was part of GCompris, or if we consider Read Etexts part of Glucose, Sucrose, Fructose, etc. If a kid ac

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 04:47:07PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: > I'm not saying the existing Taxonomy is the sexiest or > most-comprehensible-to-the-outsider, but it's well-aligned with the > development/deployment processes and if we promote a completely > orthogonal categorization it may cause a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Sean DALY
FWIW, I have tried and failed to understand fructose, glucose, honey, etc. When I get around to writing a little Activity I guess I'll climb that learning curve. I'm sure it's a useful classification system, but I don't think teachers, parents, or Learners need any level of system architecture det

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 05:34:29PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > I think that's a great idea - will be very helpful in identifying the > "classics". I've created Fructose(but not sure about name) category for that reason > > i don't mind trying to write the instructions if someone else can edit > & p

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:48:43AM -0500, James Simmons wrote: > Martin, > > First and foremost ASLO has to make sense to grade school kids and their > teachers. Sure - I'm agreeing > That's why I didn't care for GCompris as a category. I didn't see that as an issue. > Now since we can give

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread James Simmons
Martin, First and foremost ASLO has to make sense to grade school kids and their teachers. That's why I didn't care for GCompris as a category. Now since we can give an Activity up to three Categories it might make sense to have one for the stuff that comes pre-installed. Other than that,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Booth Banner page on wiki!

2009-06-10 Thread Mike Lee
Sean, All looks fab. Thanks to all involved, having a tested PDF will save our DC crew some hoops. We will look for a local supplier as there are plenty. Mike On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/BoothBanners > > I have managed to cr

[Sugar-devel] Booth Banner page on wiki!

2009-06-10 Thread Sean DALY
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/BoothBanners I have managed to create a Booth Banner page on the wiki. Still have to add the links to the source PDF files though (they are uploaded but I need to write the markup for the links). I have updated the Marketing Team/resources page as well a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 05:34:29PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > I think that's a great idea - will be very helpful in identifying the > "classics". It'd be great if the classifications found happened to, or could be easily made to, be sensibly related to the classifications used for quite some time n

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Sean DALY
I think that's a great idea - will be very helpful in identifying the "classics". i don't mind trying to write the instructions if someone else can edit & post them. thanks Sean On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:37 PM, James Simmons wrote: > Sean, > > I had another thought.  Activities can be included

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar + OLPC mesh network selection logic

2009-06-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Daniel Drake wrote: > And now the logic I want to implement, which is similar to that in > previous OLPC OS releases: > - First, attempt to connect to any known access points that are in range > using saved credentials. Always prefer known APs to mesh. > - As a fallback if those APs fail, or if no

[Sugar-devel] [Updated Invitation] Collabora tion Testing Session @ Wed Jun 10 3pm – 5pm (sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org)

2009-06-10 Thread Frederick Grose
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Grassroots-l] collaborative testing session (tomorrow's meeting) reminder

2009-06-10 Thread David Van Assche
Hmm ok, I stand corrected :-) I'm wondering now where I got the 20:00 time from... David On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > On 09.06.2009, at 16:16, David Van Assche wrote: > > Hi folks, >This is a reminder about the collaborative sugar testing session we are > hav

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread James Simmons
Sean, I had another thought. Activities can be included in up to three categories on ASLO. So, in addition to GCompris we could also have a "Core" category (or "Pre-Installed" or some other agreed upon phrase) that would include all the Activities that are installed by default. This would s

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
Before GSoC started, I did my own tests of webkit vs gecko. Firefox lost everywhere and lost especially bad on memory usage. http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/317039/webkit%20vs%20gecko%20osx.txt http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/317039/webkit%20vs%20gecko%20soas.txt http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/317039/webkit%20v

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:42:49PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> Two things to consider when looking at this... >> >> - Startup, memory use and general responsiveness on XO hardware and >> general netbook hw. The current Browse.x

[Sugar-devel] More sugar screencasts

2009-06-10 Thread Bastien
Hi all, I rolled over my sleeves and did some screencasts: http://lumiere.ens.fr/~guerry/sugar-screencasts.php They demonstrate these points: - Installing a XO bundle in Sugar - Installing InfoSlicer from Sugar Labs git repo - Playing with OOo4Kids in Sugar Enjoy, -- Bastien ___

[Sugar-devel] Sugar + OLPC mesh network selection logic

2009-06-10 Thread Daniel Drake
is: NM-0.7 with OLPC mesh support http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/dsd/NetworkManager/log/?h=olpc http://dev.laptop.org/~sjoerd/NM0.7/olpc-mesh.fdi sugar-0.84.5 patch to add mesh support (connects to link local mesh when selected on neighborhood view) http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090610/sugar-0.84-olpc-

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> > Currently > > gecko suffers a lot due to how images end up being scaled -- see the > > discussion in > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/HTML_canvas_performance -- and > > this is bound to affect other hardware as well. > > > hmm - outside of my experience. > > ... ah. but. wait. ziproxy.

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> Two things to consider when looking at this... > > - Startup, memory use and general responsiveness on XO hardware and general > netbook hw. The current Browse.xo compares _very_ favourably with Firefox > and Opera on XO-1 hardware. * webkit is known for / designer for very good performance and

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 6/10/09, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Hi Luke, hii tomeu > > so i just wanted to ask: do you _know_ how many people have been > > looking, for years, for python bindings to XUL? are you _aware_ how > > powerful and how under-appreciated hulahop is? :) the mozilla mailing > > lists and other m

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton < l...@lkcl.net> wrote: > (...) > once done, you'd be able to pretty much drop the exact same olpc > browser onto KHTML, webkit or xul. and, other than the c++ > rtti-related bugs in KHTML, you'd get exactly the same functionality.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Texas Tech University work with XO/Sugar

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 22:56, Sean DALY wrote: > Wow I can't wait to see that (can't on this machine) > > I'm interested in transcoding this to Ogg Theora, do you think we > could ask him for a higher-quality source version I could transcode? > > is it CC, could we put it up on the Dailymotion site

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] remove questionable deletion of key python __init__.py files

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:14, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02:21AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> I guess there's some other package that installs files in those dirs, >> thus the conflict. > > That is one of the cracktastic-est ways to resolve that conflict that > I can think

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 6/9/09, Bobby Powers wrote: > Hi Luke hallooo > Actually, I believe Jan, the pywebkitgtk maintainer, started off with > OLPC's Browse activity for that demo. He then modified it to use the > new webkit bindings instead of hulahop ones. ahh, that would explain the copyright messages still

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] 'Software update' is not translated

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
[adding sugar-devel to cc] On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 07:25, wrote: > Greetings All, > > I downloaded and installed the latest Dari (fa_AF) and Pashto (ps) > language packs from http://people.sugarlabs.org/sayamindu/langpacks/8.2/ > However few words for example 'Software update' under Control Panel

Re: [Sugar-devel] meshing XOs with netbooks (WAS: Re: [Bugs] #79?NORM: SOAS should mesh network when possible)

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 03:57, Gary C Martin wrote: > On 10 Jun 2009, at 02:29, Martin Dengler wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:16:12PM -0300, Andrés Ambrois wrote: >>> On Tuesday 09 June 2009 10:07:19 pm Martin Dengler wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:46:07AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote

Re: [Sugar-devel] meshing XOs with netbooks (WAS: Re: [Bugs] #79 NORM: SOAS should mesh network when possible)

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 03:16, Andrés Ambrois wrote: > On Tuesday 09 June 2009 10:07:19 pm Martin Dengler wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:46:07AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: >> > There's another 'non-mesh' option possible for the '3 kids under a tree' >> > case. They will likely have no AP/inf

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] remove questionable deletion of key python __init__.py files

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02:21AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > I guess there's some other package that installs files in those dirs, > thus the conflict. That is one of the cracktastic-est ways to resolve that conflict that I can think of :). I was told on IRC that the rpm has never worked, so I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] remove questionable deletion of key python __init__.py files

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > I guess there's some other package that installs files in those dirs, > thus the conflict. Maybe we should check rainbow? > IIRC, it'd be olpc-update. Those libs should be split off... m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org --

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] remove questionable deletion of key python __init__.py files

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 02:43, Martin Dengler wrote: > --- >  sugar-update-control.spec |    2 -- >  1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/sugar-update-control.spec b/sugar-update-control.spec > index d5e16aa..09eda58 100644 > --- a/sugar-update-control.spec > +++ b/suga

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Grassroots-l] collaborative testing session (tomorrow's meeting) reminder

2009-06-10 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 09.06.2009, at 16:16, David Van Assche wrote: Hi folks, This is a reminder about the collaborative sugar testing session we are having tomorrow, Wednesday 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Luke, On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 23:08, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > folks, hi, > i might have mentioned some of this before, but wanted to emphasise a > few things - please bear with me if you've heard some of it before. > i'd been looking for python bindings to DOM model browser technolo

Re: [Sugar-devel] Please help us choose a Sugar on a Stick boot animation sequence by tomorrow

2009-06-10 Thread Bastien
Sean DALY writes: > Ring of Dots > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#XO_Sugar_Boot_With_Overlap +1 -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] upstream AMO update (ASLO)

2009-06-10 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:20:20PM -0700, Josh Williams wrote: > Hey everyone, > > In case you didn't know, AMO just got a big update > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/ . > > Looks like a lot of the junk markup was removed so it will be easier to > work with. However, since a lot of th