Re: [biofuel] Weapons of Mass Deception

2004-02-24 Thread doug
I like the Biofuels list BECAUSE it has comments from all sides of the political spectrum. I am an Australian, and consider that of late, the Americans have become bullies: if you do not do as we say, we have the power to force you. Often this power is not the Armament might, but the voices fr

Re: [biofuel] Weapons of Mass Deception

2004-02-24 Thread Walt Patrick
At 04:50 AM 2/25/04 +0900, Keith wrote: >> Politicians, right and left, lie. That's hardly news, and >>hardly likely to >>change unless conditions render them irrelevant. That's why I'm here on >>this list, to glean information which might help further that goal. It's >>becoming quite evi

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Quality?

2004-02-24 Thread Appal Energy
Biodiesel naturally absorbs some water, hence the cloudiness after a wash. The wash test recommended is simply to determine whether your fuel is of reasonable enough standard as to put in a tank. You don't do that until the fuel has clarified. That can be done either with time and gravity or hea

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-24 Thread Appal Energy
Last thing in the world I need Bryan, is pointers from people such as yourself who advocate doing less than what is possible. If you want to lay down like a doormat, great. Knock yourself out. Go ahead and waste what little political capital you have and don't vote. Seal the tomb with a little b

[biofuel] Comprehensive Biodiesel Class, Laytonville, CA, March 13

2004-02-24 Thread girl mark
Comprehensive Homebrew Biodiesel Class March 13, 2004 At Biofuel Station, Laytonville, CA instructor: Maria "Mark" Alovert Biodiesel is a renewable fuel made from any plant oil and other fats. It can be used in any diesel engine without modifications, and can be made easily in your backya

Re: [biofuel] Bhopal

2004-02-24 Thread DokDream
In a message dated 2/23/04 1:24:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In a message dated 2/23/2004 7:30:44 AM Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > such as Union Carbide's metamorphosis into Dow > Chemicals after its corporate terrorism in Bhopal (1984). > As

[biofuel] the veils being rent

2004-02-24 Thread James McCue
Good Intelligence; Wrong Conclusions We are at an epochal moment in history. Some at the top know of the breathtaking earth changes coming, but are reacting in fear to protect their own rather than see that the lesson to be learned is that we are all part of the same ecosystem. We must

Re: [biofuel] Re: America has gone super-sized

2004-02-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Robert >Keith Addison wrote: > > > > > He knew what the basic wealth is, very wise. You'd think of course an > > agricultural research scientist would know that, but so many don't, > > even today. Yields! Efficiency! > >Having grown up in the era of the "green revolution", it's been very >

Re: [biofuel] Weapons of Mass Deception

2004-02-24 Thread Keith Addison
Walt Patrick wrote: >It's my >hope that opening up new energy sources at the grass roots level (which I >thought was the point behind this list) One of them, and it's been and continues to be most successful. >will open up new options for >change. That's why we're working on building a micro

Re: [biofuel] Re: Weapons of Mass Deception

2004-02-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Walt >At 12:36 AM 2/24/04 +, you wrote: > >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Walt Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >"Someone lacking the stones to even sign his post." > > > > > >Please don't swagger around like some testosterone saturated teenager > >looking for trouble. Loo

Re: [biofuel] Re: Make plans to shut O'Hare down long-term

2004-02-24 Thread Hakan Falk
Alan, The soot layer is more likely to be on the ground, combined with large areas of misc. constructions and clearance of land mass. This would give a larger emission factor of the ground and a warming of the lower atmosphere. Maybe the global waring have a contribution from this also. The u

Re: [biofuel] Weapons of Mass Deception

2004-02-24 Thread Walt Patrick
At 02:33 AM 2/24/04 -0500, Allan wrote: >I believe you mis-spelled "Southerners". Or perhaps "Confederates". Nope. Southron was and remains the term for a person who supported the Confederate States of America, as opposed to someone who just happened to live in the southeast. >And d

Re: [biofuel] Weapons of Mass Deception

2004-02-24 Thread esbuck
In a message dated 2/24/2004 4:00:56 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . At this point any of the "alternative" party candidates are merely spoilers, and votes for any of them are effectively votes for Bush. If your only goal it to defeat Mr. Bush, you vote for the lesser of

Re: [biofuel] Re: America has gone super-sized

2004-02-24 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: > > He knew what the basic wealth is, very wise. You'd think of course an > agricultural research scientist would know that, but so many don't, > even today. Yields! Efficiency! Having grown up in the era of the "green revolution", it's been very hard to accept that "m

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Quality?

2004-02-24 Thread RGMTRUCK
Hi again, Another dumb question. Is this heating a needed step and if it is how long should it be heated for? There's no need to heat the finished fuel to this high of a temp to dry it. Approximately 120*F (~46*C) is more than sufficient to get any microscopic water to settle out before putt

Re: [biofuel] GMOs are Bad Bad Bad

2004-02-24 Thread Keith Addison
esbuck wrote: >It is my understanding that most of the foods we eat are genetically >modified, but the mods. were made millenia ago. Corn (maise) cannot >reproduce without >human help, since the kernels, seeds, stick to the cob. Obviously, corn is >genetically different than wild maise. simil

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Quality?

2004-02-24 Thread Keith Addison
>Why heat it ? > >Met vriendelijke groeten, >Pieter Koole >Netherlands Right Peter - no need, unless you're in a hurry. Letting it settle until it's clear is fine. 110 deg C (230 F) is at any rate completely unnecessary, waste of energy. Some people do 60 deg C (140 F), but I agree with Todd:

Re: [biofuel] Bhopal

2004-02-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hey, esbuck, I didn't write that either! Oh well, never mind, in fact I'd wanted to do a piece on Bhopal for Journey to Forever's FYI section, but I didn't get that far, and we've stopped updating that section now, too much else on our plates. There's some good stuff there though: http://jour

Re: [biofuel] Re: Weapons of Mass Deception

2004-02-24 Thread Walt Patrick
At 12:36 AM 2/24/04 +, you wrote: >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Walt Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >"Someone lacking the stones to even sign his post." > > >Please don't swagger around like some testosterone saturated teenager >looking for trouble. Look at the email addre

RE: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-24 Thread Bryan Brah
Todd, I'm speaking from historical and empirical evidence when I say that it doesn't matter which "party" is in power, nor does it make a whit who you vote for. The illusion of a "two party system" it is just that. While each party pushes its own pet programs, history has shown time and time

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Quality?

2004-02-24 Thread Pieter Koole
Why heat it ? Met vriendelijke groeten, Pieter Koole Netherlands The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The

[biofuel] The Power Player

2004-02-24 Thread Keith Addison
See also: http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/23888/story.htm Energy sector generous to likely House energy chair http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9996 The Power Player Sheryl Fred is an investigative reporter for the Center for Responsive Politics and its online newsletter,

RE: [biofuel] pagans

2004-02-24 Thread Tan
I believe Islam came in somewhere between the old testament and the new testament. I read somewhere that Islam derived its teachings from the old testament with Mohamed proclaiming himself as God's one and only prophet thus the similarities of Islam with Judaism e.g. Passover and Ramadan. =>

Re: [biofuel] Resurgence of Atkins Diet

2004-02-24 Thread murdoch
Incidentally, I, and I assume many others who might more or less be fans of some resurgence of the diet, am not an unrestricted fan of the diet, as a diet for life. I just sort of like some of it, and I like some of the idea of it bringing about some long-overdue change in overall food total co

[biofuel] did you guys see ?

2004-02-24 Thread mwmk9r
the headline story on drudge today? about how the saudi oilfields have peaked! scary stuff. i wonder if thats what this war is actually about. also check out the files section of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/schoolbusconversionuts for a homemade biofuel plant. many members there are running v

[biofuel] Re: Weapons of Mass Deception

2004-02-24 Thread mcgeough65
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Walt Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Someone lacking the stones to even sign his post." Please don't swagger around like some testosterone saturated teenager looking for trouble. Look at the email address if you want to see my name. Biofuel at

[biofuel] Re: Weapons of Mass Deception

2004-02-24 Thread Tonya Chambers
I wouldnt really call Bush hyper-religious. If he is a true Christian, he is an aweful one and must have his own 'special' bible. I can even guess who wrote his. Take care. Mike M. www.cpnc.info - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Quality?

2004-02-24 Thread Appal Energy
There's no need to heat the finished fuel to this high of a temp to dry it. Approximately 120*F (~46*C) is more than sufficient to get any microscopic water to settle out before putting the fuel in the tank. The simplest home test for fuel acceptability is to put equal parts fuel and water in a

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Quality?

2004-02-24 Thread pinky 22in
hi what you did is right your biodiesel will be of good quality.. butb4 using the biodiesel, heat it for 110 degree celsius and thn use it.-vidhya --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hi all, I just made my second large batch of Biodiesel. (10 gallon) I have made

[biofuel] Seals and hoses ?s

2004-02-24 Thread Justin Blake
As I've said earlier, I just bought a 1984 VW Vanagon. I'm planning on running it on B100 and SVO in a two tank system. (I'm leaning towards Greasel). My question is: does anybody who knows a lot about VWs know if I will have to replace the seals on my engine? (i.e. are they rubber or someth

[biofuel] NY artist seeking collaboration on biodiesel project

2004-02-24 Thread petersimensky
Hi biofuel forum, I am an artist in New York looking to embark on a biofuel project. This project involves making biodiesel and fueling a road trip(s) to various cities in the US. I am very interested in collaborations and exchange in the process of making work. I would be very interested in

[biofuel] Re: CAFE Au Lait

2004-02-24 Thread f150_351m
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The big concern, according to Becker, is that the Bush administration > would regulate the fuel economy of light trucks by dividing them into > weight or size classes instead of using fleet-wide efficiency > targets.

Re: [biofuel] Resurgence of Atkins Diet

2004-02-24 Thread esbuck
If ADM sells less as high carb. food, because people are on the Atkins diet, they will sell more chicken feed, so they win either way. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill

[biofuel] Biodiesel Quality?

2004-02-24 Thread RGMTRUCK
Hi all, I just made my second large batch of Biodiesel. (10 gallon) I have made 8 different blender batches, the first 3 I screwed up the amount of lye. (the scale was way off) The next 5 came out great, (I think) I have gotten great seperation on every good batch that I have made. 2 ver

Re: [biofuel] Weapons of Mass Deception

2004-02-24 Thread Alan Petrillo
Walt Patrick wrote: > About 140 years ago, a group of federalists took over the government > and > waged a war of conquest which destroyed more than a million lives thereby > establishing the principal of rule by conquest as the foundation for the > federal government. If they could kil

Re: [biofuel] Re: Make plans to shut O'Hare down long-term

2004-02-24 Thread Alan Petrillo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 2/23/2004 12:07:36 PM Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Perhaps. But don't forget that the particulates in question are soot, > > which tends to absorb heat rather than reflecting it. > That's the point. The soot absorbs heat

Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

2004-02-24 Thread Appal Energy
Bryan, > As you point out Todd, I was the first to frame this discussion in the > "us-them democrat-republican" thing, but it was merely an anticipatory > post Yup. Pretty sad that. Thankfully life in general isn't orchestrated the same way you would manipulate a conversation. If it were to mode