Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk
i would delete what i did, expanding on someone else edit,  but what about something like a road   that was never built and was mapped 7 years ago, with an edit 1 year ago ?   >Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:39 PM -05:00 from Jack Armstrong >: >  >Greetings. >  >Recently, a user mapped “razed” railwa

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread steve . barkto
On Mon, 25 May 2020 08:20:03 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Jack Armstrong wrote: >Why are railways given a special status? One possible view is that railways were an early OSM data consumer. In many cases, OSM became the best resource to know current and previous rail lines, and useful for cases to tra

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi Colin, On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 10:54:46AM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > > You cant tell whether this access=private is okay to break, and the > > other not. > > "private" is not the same as "no". It simply means that the owner has > the right to decide who to admit, and the default is "no acces

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk
it was tagged ( proposed ), and asphalt.     >Monday, May 25, 2020 11:56 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via talk >: >  >I would say that anyone has right to remove such objects. >  >I am also unsure what would even be a correct tagging. never_existed:highway=*? >  >(sole reason for possible ke

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 18:52, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Even if "Nothing is "approved"" is true it does not mean that nothing is > forbidden. > Can you name one tag that is "forbidden"? Does that mean a standing > instruction to all mappers to remove it whenever it is found, or a license to > do a see

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
I would say that anyone has right to remove such objects. I am also unsure what would even be a correct tagging. never_existed:highway=*? (sole reason for possible keeping would be danger of accidental mapping it, but given that it never existed it should not appear on any aerial images) May 25,

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
May 25, 2020, 17:34 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > > On 2020-05-25 17:08, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > > >> May 25, 2020, 16:48 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: >> >>> >>> On 2020-05-25 16:20, Jack Armstrong wrote: >>> >>> Why are railways given a special status? >>> Nobody gives anythin

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 17:08, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > May 25, 2020, 16:48 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > > On 2020-05-25 16:20, Jack Armstrong wrote: > > Why are railways given a special status? > > Nobody gives anything a status in OSM. Nothing is "approved" so nothing is > "forbidden" eit

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk
? should a highway never built in 2011, mapped, that goes through a farm still be there even if tagged    right, and if not who has a right to remove it ?   >Monday, May 25, 2020 10:10 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via talk >: >  >May 25, 2020, 16:48 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: >>On 2020-05-25

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
May 25, 2020, 16:48 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > > On 2020-05-25 16:20, Jack Armstrong wrote: > > >> Why are railways given a special status? >> > Nobody gives anything a status in OSM. Nothing is "approved" so nothing is > "forbidden" either. > It is not really accurate - there is plenty of forbi

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 16:20, Jack Armstrong wrote: > Why are railways given a special status? Nobody gives anything a status in OSM. Nothing is "approved" so nothing is "forbidden" either. It is either used, or it is not used. It is not even "forbidden" to use tags that someone has declared "deprecated".

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Jack Armstrong
25 years ago, the Denver Stapleton Airport was closed and a new airport was built further from the city. Over 5,000 new homes were built, including schools, a library, a recreation center, over 150 shops, service businesses, restaurants and open spaces.The opinion of some users is that if nothing h

[OSM-talk] CyclOSM Lite a new cycling infrastructure map layer

2020-05-25 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Hello, For a local project we worked on a new cycle layer map with only road cycling infrastructure : cycle track, lane, bus lane, opposite. The idea is to use this transparent layer over other map where full cycle map is not desirable. It's based on CyclOSM and a demo is available on CyclOSM.org

Re: [OSM-talk] mspray stealth organized mapping

2020-05-25 Thread James Nyirenda
Greetings. I am one of the coordinators for the mSpray organized mapping. We are aware of the issues that have been raised and we are working on them. James ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Jo
Here in Belgium many of these are repurposed as cycling highway infrastructure. I wouldn't mind having highway=cycleway, railway=razed on them. Polyglot On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:47 PM Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > May 25, 2020, 06:37 by jacknst...@sprynet.c

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
May 24, 2020, 18:06 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > > >> On 24. May 2020, at 12:16, Mateusz Konieczny via talk >> wrote: >> >> I just added some example at >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access >> and improved existing one. >> >> Review, and improving edit

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
The problem with that is that moving examples after full specification will be very effective in scaring away people who are not experts. May 24, 2020, 15:16 by andrew.harv...@gmail.com: > More examples are very helpful, so than you, but in my opinion the examples > should go near the end, at l

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
May 25, 2020, 02:56 by a...@thaw.de: > Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > >> >> I just added some example at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access >> and improved existing one. >> >> Review, and improving edits (or comments here) would be welcomed. >> > > > I disagree with moving the

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
May 25, 2020, 06:37 by jacknst...@sprynet.com: > > Greetings. > > > > > > Recently, a user mapped “razed” railways inside a construction zone (link > below). These rails had been removed by our local mappers since they don’t > exist anymore. Using the latest imagery (Maxar), you can see the r

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 10:27, Florian Lohoff wrote: > A small and very vocal part of the German community proposes to tag > EVERY driveway - no matter if it has a gate or sign with access=private. > Somebody slipped stuff into the German access=private page which i > removed a while back as it had no conse

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi Mateusz, On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 01:11:04AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > > At least thats very different in Germany. There is no such thing as > > "Stand your ground" in the US legalese. As long as you dont show > > clear intend of "out of bounds" e.g. fences, gates or signage >

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Lester Caine
On 24/05/2020 23:45, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: There are also many roads signed as "No HGVs except for access." It is tempting to tag them as "hgv=destination" but that doesn't cover the case where you are allowed to follow that route for many miles and make several turnof

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 5/25/20 00:36, Arne Johannessen wrote: > The default motor_vehicle=* of Norwegian forest roads [1] by law [2] depends > on physical criteria such as tracktype=*, surface=*, smoothness=*, width=*. > The law makes this a judgement call in each and every case. [3] Same with cycling in fores