Hi Colin, On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 10:54:46AM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > > You cant tell whether this access=private is okay to break, and the > > other not. > > "private" is not the same as "no". It simply means that the owner has > the right to decide who to admit, and the default is "no access" unless > you have explicit or implicit permission from the owner.
For some/all routers it is. At least for my QA stuff i use OSRM with default car profile has private -> no. It on the access restrictions blacklist. Those ways basically drop of the graph. Which is IMHO correct. We/Technology cant decide whether we fall into that category of beeing allowed to traverse that specific part of the road network. So technology has to refrain from using it. > With respect to private driveways, they are simply private. The owner > will tolerate friends and neighbours, postmen, delivery drivers etc > coming to the door - you could say they have implicit permission. A > random person however has no implicit permission and must keep out. No - I see this behaviour more as "permissive" - Because you dont have a blacklist until you find somebody to deny access. On the opposite private is "Everybody is on the blacklist with some exceptions". This is not the way a default driveway works. You implicitly allow anyone visiting you to use it, until somebody shouts at you. > In Germany it sounds like it is the same as it is here in the > Netherlands. If you don't put up a sign saying "keep out" or equivalent, > no actual offence is committed by passing the sign onto your land. > However you, as the land owner, have the sole right to erect such a sign > at your discretion and to make the rules as you see fit. Correct - But thats a legalese of private property. So its a matter of ownership not a per se access restriction. Access restrictions come into the game as soon as there is a visible intention e.g. "Keep out" "No trespassing" or even some physical barrier (Which might be a simple rope) > There is also the category "access=permissive" which is in the middle. > You have no statutory right to access the land, however the owner has > clearly decided to allow the public access (i.e. everybody has implicit > permission). The owner can (in theory at least) rescind that implied > easement at any time or otherwise restrict access. permissive is the opposite of private. permissive -> Anyone until further notice private -> Noone until further notice And driveways are for welcoming people you most certainly dont know in advance. So a driveway by behaviour is not private unless you explicitly want it that way. Flo -- Florian Lohoff [email protected] UTF-8 Test: The 🐈 ran after a 🐁, but the 🐁 ran away
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