Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jonathan Harley wrote: > Frederik Ramm wrote: >> Richard Fairhurst wrote: >>> It only says "you must also _offer_ to recipients" (my emphasis), not >>> "you must provide in case anyone wants it" - it's like the GPL in >>> that regard. So you don't have to upload a new dump of the whole >>> derivat

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-16 Thread Jonathan Harley
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> It only says "you must also _offer_ to recipients" (my emphasis), not >> "you must provide in case anyone wants it" - it's like the GPL in >> that regard. So you don't have to upload a new dump of the whole >> derivative db (or a diff of your

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-12 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
On 10/12/08, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Goodness me, that's an enormously confrontational-sounding posting, Whoops, it was meant to be more controversial than confrontational. > * I would like OSMF to publish the current licence > * IMHO OSMF should publish the licence e.t.c

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-11 Thread Dair Grant
Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> 4.6 Access to Derivative Databases. If You publicly Use a Derivative Database >> You must also offer to recipients of the Derivative Database a copy in a >> machine readable form of:  >> >> a. The entire Derivative Database; or  >> >> b. A file containing all of the a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, 80n wrote: > There's no dispensation in the proposed license for a "Master" > database. But there is a distinction between a "database" and "data". I always thought that what I collect with my GPS is just "data", and only becomes a "database" when combined with the work of others and arran

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-10 Thread 80n
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > 80n wrote: > > And, of course, the same rules will also apply to the main OSM database, > > Will they? > > I always thought that in the future, what I contribute to OSM is not a > database, and OSM is not a databas

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, 80n wrote: > And, of course, the same rules will also apply to the main OSM database, Will they? I always thought that in the future, what I contribute to OSM is not a database, and OSM is not a database aggregator, but instead I contribute individual data items, which only become a datab

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > It only says "you must also _offer_ to recipients" (my emphasis), not > "you must provide in case anyone wants it" - it's like the GPL in > that regard. So you don't have to upload a new dump of the whole > derivative db (or a diff of your changes) every time y

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, >> 1) We clarify that a Derived Database is only deems to exist when the >> martial changes have occurred to the content of the DB, but not if the >> dataset has merely been processed into a different format. > > On the face of it this sounds reasonable, although I can see there being > some

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Dair, That last post was an interesting one. I liked some of your anaologies regarding material change. I can think of three types of material changes that we would want contributed back to OSM: [1] Modifications that improve (not degrade) the accuracy of a Feature geometry. [2] Modifications th

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-09 Thread Dair Grant
Peter Miller wrote: > 1) We clarify that a Derived Database is only deems to exist when the > martial changes have occurred to the content of the DB, but not if the > dataset has merely been processed into a different format. On the face of it this sounds reasonable, although I can see there bein

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-08 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Jueves, 9 de Octubre de 2008, Peter Miller escribió: > > The share-alike licenses, however, control the *way* you have to release > > the data, *if* you want to release it. > > I think we want someone who derives a better/new DB from OSM data to make > that available if they use that data for pu

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > To be clear if you are only using the standard public OSM Dataset then you > wouldn't have to publish any derivative dataset because there isn't one. I don't think we should over-regulate things but technically, strictly, legally speaking if you run osm2pgsql on the planet file you have a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-08 Thread Peter Miller
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Iván Sánchez Ortega > Sent: 08 October 2008 23:21 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM > > El Miércoles, 8 de O

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-08 Thread Peter Miller
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Iván Sánchez Ortega > Sent: 08 October 2008 21:42 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM > > El Miércoles, 8 de Oc

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-08 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Miércoles, 8 de Octubre de 2008, Frederik Ramm escribió: > > "Database" – A collection of Data arranged in a systematic or methodical > > way and individually accessible by electronic or other means offered > > under the terms of this Licence. This includes the Database as protected > > by Datab

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-08 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Peter, This was an interesting e-mail. However, I have some questions about what would constitue an "independent and distinct dataset". Consider the following scenario: You take OSM data and modify the feature geometries using data you collected in the field. You then take this feature geometry a