Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-27 Thread Paul Houle
Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > Ævar, thanks for taking point on this... These sort of licensing > issues are an annoying, but necessary part of our work and not > everyone has the stomach for it. I myself have run into the issue > locally... There's nearby county that has very high resolution aerial > im

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-27 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > > NASA/METI have updated their distribution terms with a FAQ in response > to my questions: > >    https://lpdaac.usgs.gov/lpdaac/about/news_archive/friday_july_24_2009 > > Unfortunately the new terms aren't new at all, and they sti

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-06 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > So, what we should do is to author a document (on the wiki?) which > clearly explains why such terms which restrict redistribution and > fields of endeavor mean that free content projects like OSM can't use > the data and will have to

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-06 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Ian Dees wrote: >> >> NASA = a US federal government organization. All data originated by US >> federal organizations (and especially when funded by tax payer dollars) is >> in the public domain. I would imagine

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-06 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > > NASA = a US federal government organization. All data originated by US > federal organizations (and especially when funded by tax payer dollars) is > in the public domain. I would imagine that the licensing terms they give are > superseded by thes

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-06 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > For satellite imagery it would be a huge win even if we were allowed > to just use them for tracing on a closed WMS server (as we're doing in > Gaza), even if we ideally would like to be allowed to do more. NASA = a US federal gove

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-06 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
(This thread was accidentally off-list) On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM, MP wrote: >> As it turns out the first clause is (apparently) to facilitate >> tracking of how the data is used and so that they can announce >> updates, and the second is to ensure proper attribution. I've asked >> them p

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-06 Thread Arlindo Pereira
In such cases, wouldn't be enough to add a source=NASA or source=ASTER tag? [] 2009/7/2 Tyler > Ævar, Thanks for trying to get clarification. Despite my disagreeing that > there is any real restriction on the data that affects its use in OSM, > clarification and explicit permission is always a

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-02 Thread Tyler
Ævar, Thanks for trying to get clarification. Despite my disagreeing that there is any real restriction on the data that affects its use in OSM, clarification and explicit permission is always a good thing. This should have been cross-posted to legal, probably. And let me preface it all with IANAL

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-02 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > > # When presenting or publishing ASTER GDEM data, I agree to include > "ASTER GDEM is a product of METI and NASA." That clause seems very similar to the BSD advertising clause (and is problematic for the same reasons): http://en.wi

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-02 Thread MP
> As it turns out the first clause is (apparently) to facilitate > tracking of how the data is used and so that they can announce > updates, and the second is to ensure proper attribution. I've asked > them permission to quote their complete reply but that's basically it. What about derived da

[OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-02 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
I contacted people at NASA asking whether they were planning on releasing their ASTER data under a license that would be suitable for projects like OSM. I quoted them the terms they present upon download which would be problematic: """ # I agree to redistribute the ASTER GDEM only to individuals w