Re: [OSM-talk] Comprehensive set of GPS track logs

2010-07-12 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 12/07/2010 08:32, Lukas Kabrt wrote: I need data that give overal view of traffic in some area. So basicly I mean "lots of". I have writen a little python script that scrap track pages on osm with a keyword. It gives you the list of GPX sharing this keyword. It does not download the trac

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 Public Alpha

2010-07-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dave F. wrote: One thing I can't find is GPX tracks (key: G). Has it not been implemented yet or am I going blind? Not yet! It's next on the list. But you can load a GPX from somewhere on the web (Flash permission stuff notwithstanding) using the vector layers stuff in the "Background" menu.

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided/Non-Divided Intersection

2010-07-12 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-07-11 23:44, Maarten Deen wrote: On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:03:02 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: > I like bringing everything together to a single intersection point > because that's what it (topo)logically is - a single intersection > controlled by a group of signals operating together (or stop s

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 Public Alpha

2010-07-12 Thread Philip Stubbs
On 10 July 2010 02:57, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Hi all, > > (Deep breath) > > I'm delighted to unveil a test version of Potlatch 2, the all-new, > completely rewritten version of OpenStreetMap's online editor. > > You can play with it at http://www.geowiki.com/ . It talks to the main OSM > serve

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 Public Alpha

2010-07-12 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
Great work Richard. But it still needs lots of improvement to compete with Potlatch 1 (I know, I know, It is still in Public Alpha). Will there be a permanent website for the soon to be legacy version (1.4)? Will this new version stay in geowiki.com or will replace 1.4 in the Edit tab? I will say

[OSM-talk] Helmet cameras for mapping?

2010-07-12 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, Wondering if anyone has tried a helmet camera like the GoPro Helmet Hero HD or ContourHD for mapping? The former even has a mode where it takes a 5MP photo every two seconds. Plus you could probably narrate to it while riding along. You might even be able to just look at street signs and

Re: [OSM-talk] Helmet cameras for mapping?

2010-07-12 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > Wondering if anyone has tried a helmet camera like the GoPro Helmet > Hero HD or ContourHD for mapping? The former even has a mode where it > takes a 5MP photo every two seconds. Plus you could probably narrate > to it while ridin

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 Public Alpha

2010-07-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli wrote: > Great work Richard. But it still needs lots of improvement to compete with > Potlatch 1 (I know, I know, It is still in Public Alpha). > > Will there be a permanent website for the soon to be legacy version (1.4)? > Will this new versi

Re: [OSM-talk] Helmet cameras for mapping?

2010-07-12 Thread Mike N.
Wondering if anyone has tried a helmet camera like the GoPro Helmet Hero HD or ContourHD for mapping? I have the ContourHD, and while it's a fantastic sports cam, it's not close enough to usable for reading street signs from just one street-width away. _

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 Public Alpha

2010-07-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Allan wrote: I think the point where it's good enough to start thinking about replacing Potlatch 1 on the edit tab is still a long way off. It's much more likely that, when it moves out of alpha, Potlatch 2 appears and gets used on other sites first since it's much easier to customize. In

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 Public Alpha

2010-07-12 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
Andy, I agree. Actually I was thinking on how to integrate P2 with a new design for our Chilean website. The idea of integrating Potlatch with our own website graphics/color scheme, instead of sending people to a completely different website/graphic (openstreetmap.org) as we are doing now, sounds

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 Public Alpha

2010-07-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Julio Costa Zambelli wrote: I agree. Actually I was thinking on how to integrate P2 with a new design for our Chilean website. The idea of integrating Potlatch with our own website graphics/color scheme, instead of sending people to a completely different website/graphic (openstreetmap.org) as w

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 Public Alpha

2010-07-12 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Julio Costa Zambelli wrote: > > I agree. Actually I was thinking on how to integrate P2 with a new design >> for our Chilean website. The idea of integrating Potlatch with our own >> website graphics/color scheme, instead of sending peo

[OSM-talk] OSM in the Crisis Congress

2010-07-12 Thread ouɐɯnH
hello, We have learned that OSM is one of the organizations participating in the "crisis conference" [0] from Colombia will participate a member of our community on behalf of OCHA - GTMI, however we would like to know who is the person attending in an official manner by OpenStreetMap. regards Hum

[OSM-talk] Shared nodes between non-routable objects?

2010-07-12 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Recently I've found several examples of nodes shared between two objects in my local neighborhood. The question is: Is this okay? If the objects were routable (eg roads), then the answer would be obvious, but these ways are things like buildings and parking lots, where the shared nodes are the bo

Re: [OSM-talk] Shared nodes between non-routable objects?

2010-07-12 Thread Mike N.
I see a case for and against them. Since they're not routable, I don't immediately see a problem. Nodes are simply points, and a point can be shared between two objects, and so why use extra nodes if they're not needed? I don't have a problem with modeling objects like buildings or 2 boundarie

Re: [OSM-talk] Shared nodes between non-routable objects?

2010-07-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Serge Wroclawski wrote: The question is: Is this okay? I don't think there's a right/wrong answer here; I'm just curious about people's opinions. This question is discussed regularly. There are people who furiously defend one or the other method but in fact both are in widespread use.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-12 Thread Gervase Markham
On 11/07/10 04:18, Kai Krueger wrote: So far the the impressions I got from the members of the licensing group vary from anywhere between e.g. 10% data loss is acceptable to as high as 90% data loss is acceptable (as long as a majority of signed up accounts agree), which means as far as I can int

[OSM-talk] multipolygon inners that aren't inside.

2010-07-12 Thread John Harvey
It sure would be nice if users couldn't submit bad data. Incorrect data (wrong street name) takes a human to spot, but bad topology (doesn't conform to the rules and a computer can verify conformance) shouldn't be possible to submit. For instance look at this relation: http://www.openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] multipolygon inners that aren't inside.

2010-07-12 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:27 PM, John Harvey wrote: > It sure would be nice if users couldn't submit bad data. Incorrect data > (wrong street name) takes a human to spot, but bad topology (doesn't conform > to the rules and a computer can verify conformance) shouldn't be possible to > submit. Fo

Re: [OSM-talk] multipolygon inners that aren't inside.

2010-07-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
John, John Harvey wrote: Two ways are marked as inners but nothing is inside anything else. The problem is these kinds of errors present a barrier to entry for anyone using the OSM data - if you try to write a "by the books" renderer for this area you get a spill. A "by the books" renderer

Re: [OSM-talk] multipolygon inners that aren't inside.

2010-07-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ian Dees wrote: Maybe you could write a bot that messages the owner of the relation when it finds incorrect topology? Note that the topology might have been correct when the relation was created, and only became problematic by someone else moving a node or so. Bye Frederik -- Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] Shared nodes between non-routable objects?

2010-07-12 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-07-12 11:22, Frederik Ramm wrote: Serge Wroclawski wrote: The question is: Is this okay? [sharing of nodes between a building and an immediately adjacent parking lot] I don't think there's a right/wrong answer here; I'm just curious about people's opinions. This question is discusse

[OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread Pieren
Hi all, I would like to know how people are using the tag name and/or operator. It was obvious for me that operator might come as an additional attribute but it seems that the wiki is suggesting to replace name by operator. Or at least, it's questionning on the page about amenity=bank: http://wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 July 2010 06:25, Pieren wrote: > Then now the question : how can we determin if we use 'name' or 'operator' > if it is one or the other ? e.g. restaurants or hotel might or might not be > part of a chain, thus might be tagged with 'name' or 'operator'. Shall know > the door to ask ? name v

Re: [OSM-talk] Shared nodes between non-routable objects?

2010-07-12 Thread Alex Mauer
On 07/12/2010 03:22 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: > Exactly. +1. In the case described (building and attached parking lot), > it makes sense, as it usually does for adjacent land parcels (landuse=* > closed ways) and administrative subdivisions (boundary=administrative > closed ways) too. If they really ar

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:40 PM, John Smith wrote: > On 13 July 2010 06:25, Pieren wrote: > Shall know the door to ask ? > rectify : knock > > name v operator is simple for restaurants in western countries since > the official business name=* will be on the health certificate issued > by what

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 July 2010 06:59, Pieren wrote: > I would say the exact opposite. The tag 'name' is what you see on the > facade. The (optional) tag 'operator' is the name of the chain but we should > not suggest to not use 'name' otherwise we will have different tagging when > restaurants/hotels are part or

[OSM-talk] Error loading Yahoo-Images in Potlatch

2010-07-12 Thread Peter Herison
Does anyone encounter errors loading Yahoo-Images in Potlatch? http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=39.111598&lon=-94.712041&zoom=19 More and more often some tiles take longer to load and endup in the error-image ("We're sorry, the data you have requested...refresh your browser to try again.").

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in the Crisis Congress

2010-07-12 Thread Kate Chapman
There are a couple people. I'm representing the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team at the NGO round table part. There are also people who wear multiple hats going as well. For example some of the Sahana guys also contribute to OSM. Kate Chapman On Jul 12, 2010 12:22 PM, "ouɐɯnH" wrote: hello, We

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in the Crisis Congress

2010-07-12 Thread Kate Chapman
I should clarify, nobody is attending in an official capacity. There are OpenStreetMap contributors who are attending. Since we are a large open source volunteer project things are much looser than say OCHA. Kate On Jul 12, 2010 12:22 PM, "ouɐɯnH" wrote: hello, We have learned that OSM is one

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-07-12 13:25, Pieren wrote: I would like to know how people are using the tag name and/or operator. I think operator has been mis-used. It appears in a lot of JOSM presets where I believe it is incorrect. For gas stations, the name of the supplying oil company would be properly described

[OSM-talk] Error loading Yahoo-Images in Potlatch

2010-07-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Peter Herison wrote: >Does anyone encounter errors loading Yahoo-Images in Potlatch? I'm not getting them at all; I reopened http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2950. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I've been using the operator tag for library branches (where name is the branch name, and operator is the library system). Same could be done with schools within a school district. Does this seem like a reasonable use for the operator tag? Side note: John, Do you seriously check health certifica

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 July 2010 07:25, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > Side note: John, Do you seriously check health certificates before > tagging restaurants? I don't usually tag name, just operator, I just mentioned that to point out the name is easy to locate if people did want to tag it. __

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 July 2010 07:18, Alan Mintz wrote: > I think operator has been mis-used. It appears in a lot of JOSM presets > where I believe it is incorrect. This is an argument over the use of english as a language and tags that look like english words and how people interrupt them. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread john whelan
If you look at the history of the page this change was made on the morning of 1st of April by someone who doesn't appear to have an entry. I suspect it might just be sabotage, it does happen occasionally on wikis. Cheerio John On 12 July 2010 16:25, Pieren wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to k

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread John F. Eldredge
The usage of "operator" documented in the wiki is the opposite of the standard usage, at least in the food service business (I once worked for a food broker). The standard usage would be to say that a restaurant's name is "Smithville Waffle House", for instance, it is a franchise of "Waffle Ho

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:40 PM, John Smith wrote: > name v operator is simple for restaurants in western countries since > the official business name=* will be on the health certificate issued > by what ever government department is in charge of public health and > safety. Where as the operator=

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-07-12 14:31, John Smith wrote: On 13 July 2010 07:25, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > Side note: John, Do you seriously check health certificates before > tagging restaurants? I don't usually tag name, just operator, I just mentioned that to point out the name is easy to locate if people did wa

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Pieren wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to know how people are using the tag name and/or operator. It > was obvious for me that operator might come as an additional attribute but > it seems that the wiki is suggesting to replace name by operator. Or at > least, it

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-07-12 14:35, John Smith wrote: On 13 July 2010 07:18, Alan Mintz wrote: > I think operator has been mis-used. It appears in a lot of JOSM presets > where I believe it is incorrect. This is an argument over the use of english as a language and tags that look like english words and how pe

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 July 2010 08:51, Alan Mintz wrote: > Is operator correct, though? Many well-known chains are franchises, where > the actual operator is a company or individual that is named on the business > license or health certificate. The confusion has probably come about from usage on ATMs then being

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread John F. Eldredge
There is a "franchise" tag listed on the wiki. It is a proposed tag, not yet voted on. So, the name tag would have the name of this location of the business, the franchise tag (if present) would have the name of the chain, and operator would have the name of the company or individual operating

Re: [OSM-talk] Helmet cameras for mapping?

2010-07-12 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Mike N. wrote: >>  Wondering if anyone has tried a helmet camera like the GoPro Helmet >> Hero HD or ContourHD for mapping? > > I have the ContourHD, and while it's a fantastic sports cam, it's not close > enough to usable for reading street signs from just one st

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Andy Allan wrote: > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Pieren wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I would like to know how people are using the tag name and/or operator. > It > > was obvious for me that operator might come as an additional attribute > but > > it seems that

Re: [OSM-talk] Helmet cameras for mapping?

2010-07-12 Thread Mike N.
I have the ContourHD, and while it's a fantastic sports cam, it's not close enough to usable for reading street signs from just one street-width away. Hmm, good to know. What if you're below the sign and looking up? Yes, it does capture a readable sign image for the near case, provided that

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread Liz
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Alan Mintz wrote: > At 2010-07-12 14:35, John Smith wrote: > >On 13 July 2010 07:18, Alan Mintz wrote: > > > I think operator has been mis-used. It appears in a lot of JOSM presets > > > where I believe it is incorrect. > > > >This is an argument over the use of english as a l

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread John F. Eldredge
So, if we continue to use "operator" to mean "chain or franchise", then what tag do you propose should hold the name of the individual or company who operates the business, and who is referred to in non-OSM terminology as the operator? ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Tag na

Re: [OSM-talk] multipolygon inners that aren't inside.

2010-07-12 Thread charlie
John Harvey (j...@johnharveyphoto.com) wrote: It sure would be nice if users couldn't submit bad data. Incorrect data (wrong street name) takes a human to spot, but bad topology (doesn't conform to the rules and a computer can verify conformance) shouldn't be possible to submit. For instance l

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-12 Thread Lester Caine
John Smith wrote: On 13 July 2010 06:59, Pieren wrote: I would say the exact opposite. The tag 'name' is what you see on the facade. The (optional) tag 'operator' is the name of the chain but we should not suggest to not use 'name' otherwise we will have different tagging when restaurants/hotel