Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 29/12/2017 23:23, Mick Orridge wrote: The ONS postcode file (Open Government Licence other than BT postcodes for NI) for August 2017 (download here:- https://ons.maps.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=1e4a246b91c34178a55aab047413f29b) holds terminated postcodes. It's entry for BD5 8JR shows a

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 28/12/17 22:33, Warin wrote: On 29-Dec-17 07:28 AM, Mark Goodge wrote: On 28/12/2017 19:31, Lester Caine wrote: Get the return address right ... On 28/12/17 16:12, Colin Spiller wrote: I've been adding postcodes in the Bradford BD area using Robert & gregrs useful tools. I've just notic

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

It was the only house between two junctions on a road. It was in the country. Ian On 29 December 2017 at 13:08, Mark Goodge wrote: > > > On 29/12/2017 11:41, Ian Caldwell wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 29 December 2017 at 10:47, Mark Goodge > m...@good-stuff.co.uk>> wrote: >> >> since a filling s

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 29/12/2017 11:41, Ian Caldwell wrote: On 29 December 2017 at 10:47, Mark Goodge > wrote: since a filling station isn't going to be large enough to have a single-user postcode Not necessarily I used to own a three bedroom house that had its own po

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 29 December 2017 at 10:47, Mark Goodge wrote: > since a filling station isn't going to be large enough to have a > single-user postcode > > Not necessarily I used to own a three bedroom house that had its own postcode. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-G

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 28/12/2017 22:33, Warin wrote: Could the post code be derived from surrounding features? I don't know how detailed the post codes there are .. but if features in OSM surrounding it were of the same post code (and correct) then they could be used to derive the post code? It will almost c

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 29/12/2017 08:30, Adam Snape wrote: Hi, I don't think we would delete a postcode found in other Open Data just on the basis of it not being in Codepoint Open; the error could lie in Codepoint Open itself. I suggest that a FIXME would be appropriate where two sources appear to contradict

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi, I don't think we would delete a postcode found in other Open Data just on the basis of it not being in Codepoint Open; the error could lie in Codepoint Open itself. I suggest that a FIXME would be appropriate where two sources appear to contradict each other. Of course in this case we know th

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 29-Dec-17 07:28 AM, Mark Goodge wrote: On 28/12/2017 19:31, Lester Caine wrote: Get the return address right ... On 28/12/17 16:12, Colin Spiller wrote: I've been adding postcodes in the Bradford BD area using Robert & gregrs useful tools. I've just noticed that the Shell station at the

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 28/12/2017 19:31, Lester Caine wrote: Get the return address right ... On 28/12/17 16:12, Colin Spiller wrote: I've been adding postcodes in the Bradford BD area using Robert & gregrs useful tools. I've just noticed that the Shell station at the Rooley Lane / Rooley Avenue junction BD5 8JR

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Get the return address right ... On 28/12/17 16:12, Colin Spiller wrote: > I've been adding postcodes in the Bradford BD area using Robert & gregrs > useful tools. I've just noticed that the Shell station at the Rooley > Lane / Rooley Avenue junction BD5 8JR is now reported as having an > incorrec

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 26 November 2017 at 14:52, Philip Barnes wrote: > This would make obvious errors easier to spot, one example I found was > a closing time of 16:00 which is an obvious error that does not need > local knowledge. At a supermarket filling station near me, the "kiosk" actually closes at a time no

[Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi Colin, BD5 8JP is but a stone's throw away. I guess this got picked up then incorrectly typed and hence the 8JR ending. Luckily OSM is editable (!) so if you can find a better source of free data then please update. Regards, Rob P.s. you can see all this on the postcode centroid map which hi

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

I've been adding postcodes in the Bradford BD area using Robert & gregrs useful tools. I've just noticed that the Shell station at the Rooley Lane / Rooley Avenue junction BD5 8JR is now reported as having an incorrect postal unit (the final two letters of the postcode). This postcode appears w

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 20/12/2017 12:32, Ilya Zverev wrote: Thank you everyone who participated. I noticed there has been many "fixme" tags filled during the validation. You can see them all using Overpass API: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tUW Thanks for that - I've removed a couple of fixmes near me since they w

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi folks, I have just uploaded the fuel stations: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/54785385 Thank you everyone who participated. I noticed there has been many "fixme" tags filled during the validation. You can see them all using Overpass API: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tUW Ilya ___

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi, I've just pushed a big update to the auditing service. You can now re-check skipped objects. But the "skipped" flag is only stored since today. If you want, Brian, I can reset your validation history for the entire project, so you could re-check all stations. Also I can grant you admin rig

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi Ilya Great tool but it would be nice to be able to be able togo back to items you skipped Regards Brian On 29 November 2017 at 14:49, Ilya Zverev wrote: > Hi Phil, > > I had a few free hours today, so I added the table view: > > http://audit.osmz.ru/table/shell > > Though I'm not sure a fu

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi Phil, I had a few free hours today, so I added the table view: http://audit.osmz.ru/table/shell Though I'm not sure a fuel station cannot close at 16:00 — for example, a small one that serves agricultural needs. Ilya > 26 нояб. 2017 г., в 17:52, Philip Barnes написал(а): > > On Sun, 2017

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

No it was clear and you answered my question. Thanks :-) Rob On 26 Nov 2017 1:47 p.m., "Ilya Zverev" wrote: > Hi Rob, thanks for looking at the website. > > Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. That is a working tool for validating an > import. Please open http://audit.osmz.ru/project/shell , click "

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On Sun, 2017-11-26 at 16:46 +0300, Ilya Zverev wrote: > Hi Rob, thanks for looking at the website. > > Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. That is a working tool for validating > an import. Please open http://audit.osmz.ru/project/shell , click > "Validate the import" and check at least a hundred point

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi Rob, thanks for looking at the website. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. That is a working tool for validating an import. Please open http://audit.osmz.ru/project/shell , click "Validate the import" and check at least a hundred points. You can move a point when it's off, and you can choose whi

[Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi Ilya, I had a quick test on mobile (not ideal) and like what I see. When does import occur? Automatically when you get two matches or manually every X weeks? Have you received any further feedback? Thanks, Rob P.s. I don't have a problem with the navads ref being added.

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi, I recall we had some issues with the Shell import. I have nearly finished my auditing tool, which helps record every issue with an import and apply it to the actual importing process. After testing it on a few local imports, I invite you to check the tool out and validate some fuel stations

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 16 November 2017 at 20:19, Ilya Zverev wrote: > Robert, I don't have official branch numbers from Shell. Identifiers that > are being added in "ref:navads_shell" will be used for updating the data, to > skip the matching step. As I said, I don't think it's appropriate to include such third-par

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

I see that not all questions were resolved in May. Regarding the license: NavAds are authorized to upload all Shell fuel stations to any maps. They are paid to do that. You can find Shell, among others, in their partners directory: https://navads.eu/industries/ NavAds have also signed the contr

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi, On 16 November 2017 at 20:19, Ilya Zverev wrote: > As for the questions about license and location quality, I answered these > in May: > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-May/020216.html > > Not completely. I'm not convinced that the word of a third party (nothing pers

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 17 Nov 2017 04:14, "Andrew Black" wrote: " I believe we need to be very clear about the licencing. All we have is Ilya's word (and I don't dispute it but it is hardly verifiable) that Shell has instructed a third party to map its petrol stations on various platforms using a dataset it supplie

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi everyone, Thank you Brian for pushing this forward. The ongoing discussion (and reminders from a NavAds employee) have made me start developing the auditing tool for imported data. Hopefully next week I'll give you all a link where you can check every imported object one by one, and alter t

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

This is something that could be done officially by the UK OSM chapter On 16 November 2017 at 13:05, Lester Caine wrote: > On 16/11/17 12:48, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > >> Here's a strawman to start the discussion: > >> > >> Use Harry Wood's improved visualisation as a progress checker

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 16/11/17 12:48, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: >> Here's a strawman to start the discussion: >> >> Use Harry Wood's improved visualisation as a progress checker, with a colour >> change for missing filling stations to red >> Get active mappers to add/amend data around their localities or j

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 15 November 2017 at 18:38, Brian Prangle wrote: > Here's a strawman to start the discussion: > > Use Harry Wood's improved visualisation as a progress checker, with a colour > change for missing filling stations to red > Get active mappers to add/amend data around their localities or journeys

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi, Most of that 'strawman' suggestion seems sensible and entirely the right kind of way for the community to help companies add useful data to the map. I do however, disagree with the penultimate point. I do not belive that we should be automatically importing this kind of data. An omission is mu

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Like most discussions we get a useful survey of opinion and some elucidation of the nature of the problem, with lots of suggestions, but no actual decision on how we are going to proceed, except maintain the status quo. As one of the core objectives of the UK OSM Chapter is to "promote and facilit

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 06/11/17 16:45, Andy Mabbett wrote: > Some years ago, we had a data donation, here in the United Kingdom, of > data on cycle shops. These were imported into a tool which (if memory > serves) enabled users to compare them to existing entries, and import > the data to them if useful, or add new ob

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Andy Mabbett wrote: > Can that tool not be repurposed, and thereby avoid the friction > that imports like this seem sadly to cause? It was implemented as part of Potlatch 2, so sadly probably not appropriate for general consumption in a post-Flash age: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 6 November 2017 at 15:45, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 3 November 2017 at 09:55, Ilya Zverev wrote: > >> You might remember a few months ago I discussed here importing of Shell fuel >> stations. The data provider is Navads, which has a contract with Shell for >> putting their stations on the map

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 3 November 2017 at 09:55, Ilya Zverev wrote: > You might remember a few months ago I discussed here importing of Shell fuel > stations. The data provider is Navads, which has a contract with Shell for > putting their stations on the map. They asked me to proceed with the import > and sent a

[Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Thanks Andy. Any talks you recommend us watching? I can recommend the following: https://2017.stateofthemap.us/program/building-community-in-south-florida.html 90% imported automatically, the remaining 10% left to the local community. Seems like engaging with them is hard at this stage even when

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 3 November 2017 at 17:51, Ilya Zverev wrote: > First, thanks everyone for checking the import. I've made some improvements > regarding addresses, and I removed the "operator" tag. You can see the > improvements on the same map. I'd like to join Richard in a search for a > review tool, which

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

51.0455/-2.4317 Which I could create manually since I 'know it' -- Be Seeing You - Rob. If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isn't for you. From: Ilya Zverev Sent: 03 November 2017 09:55:59 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subj

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

I wanted to make some little improvements to your map display (more readable tags) http://bl.ocks.org/harry-wood/raw/1c590b852dd2f43569c085dc554b9abd/ I'm not that familiar with 'gists'. They don't have 'pull requests' hey? Anyway my fork is here:https://gist.github.com/harry-wood/1c590b852dd2f

[Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

>On 03/11/2017 20:42, Rob Nickerson wrote: >> ... There is no way I see us OSM craft mappers visiting all of the >> rest within sensible time-frames. ... > >Ah, silly me. If only I (and everyone else here) had read that around >10 years ago, then we needn't have bothered mapping all that stuff in

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 03/11/2017 20:42, Rob Nickerson wrote: ... There is no way I see us OSM craft mappers visiting all of the rest within sensible time-frames. ... Ah, silly me.  If only I (and everyone else here) had read that around 10 years ago, then we needn't have bothered mapping all that stuff in OSM,

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

or the Channel Islands. -- Andrew From: Chris Hill Sent: 03 November 2017 19:10:27 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations On 03/11/2017 18:45, David Woolley wrote: > On 03/11/17 17:51, Ilya Zverev wrote: >>

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On Fri, 2017-11-03 at 20:42 +, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Hi all, > > My thanks to Andy for finding that this data is not perfect. My > thanks also to Phil for finding that the existing OSM data for Shell > Porthmadog is, to use Phil's words from a later email, broken. It was more the opening hou

[Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi all, My thanks to Andy for finding that this data is not perfect. My thanks also to Phil for finding that the existing OSM data for Shell Porthmadog is, to use Phil's words from a later email, broken. Now that we have ascertained that neither data set is perfect, can we please discuss whether

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On Fri, 2017-11-03 at 11:09 -0700, Paul Norman wrote: > On 11/3/2017 10:51 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > Philip, the shell.co.uk website gives the same opening hours for > > the Branting Hill station as the source dataset. Basically, > > everything in the dataset is the same, except for locations, whi

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 03/11/2017 18:45, David Woolley wrote: On 03/11/17 17:51, Ilya Zverev wrote: postcodes, should they be removed from the import? Is there a database that I can check these against? There is a database, but one of OSM UK's big bug bears is that it is not licensed in a way that allows it to b

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 03/11/17 17:51, Ilya Zverev wrote: postcodes, should they be removed from the import? Is there a database that I can check these against? There is a database, but one of OSM UK's big bug bears is that it is not licensed in a way that allows it to be used for OSM. About the limit of what

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 11/3/2017 10:51 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: Philip, the shell.co.uk website gives the same opening hours for the Branting Hill station as the source dataset. Basically, everything in the dataset is the same, except for locations, which have been improved by the Navads team. What percentage of t

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

First, thanks everyone for checking the import. I've made some improvements regarding addresses, and I removed the "operator" tag. You can see the improvements on the same map. I'd like to join Richard in a search for a review tool, which would allow people from UK to participate. Seeing that t

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 03/11/17 11:20, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Ashton-under-Hill (postcode WR11 7QP, near Lester ;) ) is weird too - the > addr:street is proposed to be changed to 'A46', which isn't a street name, > it's a ref. Actually Spar list it as Vale Service Station , A46 Ashton Under Hill but it is really

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 03/11/17 15:35, Philip Barnes wrote: I would dispute that the operator is most locations is Shell and that the brand should be Shell, but they are independent businesses who have a franchise to sell Shell fuel, but Shell do not employ the cashier, the mechanics or supply what is sold in the sh

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Looking at some of the Shell stations locally I would dispute that the operator is most locations is Shell and that the brand should be Shell, but they are independent businesses who have a franchise to sell Shell fuel, but Shell do not employ the cashier, the mechanics or supply what is sold in t

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 03/11/2017 14:24, Steve Doerr wrote: The postcode (S44 5HB) is certainly wrong. Probably should be S44 5HS. Euro Garages (operator of the Shell garage we're talking about) is certainly listed at that postcode, which is Markham Lane, as you say. (So are 59 other locations.) Strangely, KFC a

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi, On 03.11.2017 11:59, Ilya Zverev wrote: > I see many imports every day going unnoticed, and I see this kind of a harsh > reaction on proposed imports. It is easy to see why people are reluctant to > announce their imports and automated edits beforehand. Any import that goes unnoticed for n

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 03/11/2017 10:59, Ilya Zverev wrote: 3 нояб. 2017 г., в 13:21, Andy Townsend написал(а): Last time you proposed this it took only a few seconds to identify problems with the data. It's the same this time - at least some of the changes that your map suggests you're proposing to import h

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

I welcome this initiative from Ilya. We are never going to get a totally correct data source, and even data originating from human mappers can leave a lot to be desired.So let's get beyond criticising the acuracy of the data and start working out how we're going to tackle this On the whole this im

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On Fri, Nov 03, 2017 at 01:59:17PM +0300, Ilya Zverev wrote: > 3 нояб. 2017 г., в 13:21, Andy Townsend написал(а): > > > > On 03/11/2017 09:55, Ilya Zverev wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> You might remember a few months ago I discussed here importing of Shell > >> fuel stations. The data provider is

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 03/11/2017 10:59, Ilya Zverev wrote: How is the address info there incorrect? Did you see the correct address of the building? Googling shows that amenities there are indeed addressed by Markham Lane, just like the Markham Vale, the business centre that contains these. I explained the lik

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On Fri, 2017-11-03 at 12:55 +0300, Ilya Zverev wrote: > Hi, > > You might remember a few months ago I discussed here importing of > Shell fuel stations. The data provider is Navads, which has a > contract with Shell for putting their stations on the map. They asked > me to proceed with the import

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 03/11/17 10:59, Ilya Zverev wrote: I have received the list from the Shell UK. Are you suggesting I should buy a ticket and verify each of these on the ground? Are there any better sources for Shell fuel stations, or are you implying the UK is a special restricted no-imports-whatsoever terr

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Ilya Zverev wrote: > Please help me review the data. Here is the updated map: > http://bl.ocks.org/Zverik/raw/ddcfaf2da25a3dfda00a3d93a62f218d/ Eek, this still looks a bit sketchy. Choosing one of the two nearest affected petrol stations to me, the one on Woodstock Road, Yarnton looks like it wou

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

v [mailto:i...@zverev.info] >> Sent: 03 November 2017 09:56 >> To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org >> Subject: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations >> >> Hi, >> >> You might remember a few months ago I discussed here importing >> of Shell fuel stations. T

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

3 нояб. 2017 г., в 13:21, Andy Townsend написал(а): > > On 03/11/2017 09:55, Ilya Zverev wrote: >> Hi, >> >> You might remember a few months ago I discussed here importing of Shell fuel >> stations. The data provider is Navads, which has a contract with Shell for >> putting their stations on t

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

map.org > Subject: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations > > Hi, > > You might remember a few months ago I discussed here importing > of Shell fuel stations. The data provider is Navads, which has a > contract with Shell for putting their stations on the map. They asked >

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

On 03/11/2017 09:55, Ilya Zverev wrote: Hi, You might remember a few months ago I discussed here importing of Shell fuel stations. The data provider is Navads, which has a contract with Shell for putting their stations on the map. They asked me to proceed with the import and sent an updated l

[Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

Hi, You might remember a few months ago I discussed here importing of Shell fuel stations. The data provider is Navads, which has a contract with Shell for putting their stations on the map. They asked me to proceed with the import and sent an updated list of the stations. I have prepared an im