Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Nuclear Reactions Draft #14

2009-12-01 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 1, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Gets better and better. Quick question - since you tying up a lot of loose ends and adding a lot of reference material - why does the Oppenheimer-Phillips effect not qualify for mention? Stripping reactions require high energies, keV order

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-12-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:09 PM 11/30/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: I wrote: If it is about opinions then we can conclude that opinions have no bearing on cold fusion. Plus we can conclude that sociologists are unqualified to write about calorimetry, and they make fools of themselves when they try. To put it more

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-12-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:01 PM 11/30/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Simon is a *sociologist,* Jed, not a chemist or physicist. Opinions (especially collective opinions) and process are what the book is about, not "cold fusion." Or calorimetry. If it is about opinions then we can conclude

[Vo]:Nissan Leaf

2009-12-01 Thread Terry Blanton
Nissan is experimenting with an inductive charging system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrNmplhx7ag&annotation_id=annotation_982657&feature=iv http://tinyurl.com/ycdr7kc Terry

RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Nuclear Reactions Draft #14

2009-12-01 Thread Jones Beene
Gets better and better. Quick question - since you tying up a lot of loose ends and adding a lot of reference material - why does the Oppenheimer-Phillips effect not qualify for mention? Well, aside from the obvious answer - that deuterium stripping is not necessarily a "fusion reaction", althoug

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread John Berry
Jed sed: I read somewhere that they do work the muscles, and if they do not it comes out like mush rather than meat. Are you sure that wasn't an episode of "Better off Ted"? > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > >> Alexander Hollins wrote: >> >> Unless they artifically wor

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Alexander Hollins
Hey, Bob was never above stealing from human cultures, heh. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Hollins sez: > >> There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly >> are ritually killed, and served up to their tribe.  NOT >> eating your dear aunt was cons

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread John Berry
Are you sure that wasn't an episode of "Better off Ted"? On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Alexander Hollins wrote: > > Unless they artifically work the muscles, it will likely be similar to >> veal, softer, less gamey meat. IE, higher quality to most peoples' >> palates. >

[Vo]:Cold Fusion Nuclear Reactions Draft #14

2009-12-01 Thread Horace Heffner
My paper "Cold Fusion Nuclear Reactions" is now at Draft #14 status. I have added an improved review of just what deflation fusion is at the beginning, because I seem to not have done a good job of describing that clearly. Any critique appreciated. http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CFnuc

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12/01/2009 04:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Chimpanzees love to eat other primates, so evidently primates like the taste of primates, and we probably would too. Chimpanzee and other primate meat is popular (among people) in Africa. That's terrible, because many of them are endangered. It

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alexander Hollins wrote: There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly are ritually killed, and served up to their tribe. Oh come now. I have never heard that before! Which tribes? NOT eating your dear aunt was considered dreadfully insulting to her spirit. As I mentioned, this

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12/01/2009 03:56 PM, Alexander Hollins wrote: There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly are ritually killed, and served up to their tribe. NOT eating your dear aunt was considered dreadfully insulting to her spirit. Very tight family dynamics. Right -- google "kuru" for

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven V Johnson wrote: I'm curious. Why do you suspect you might hesitate to sample it? Is it still a cultural issue, like it might be for me? Do you suspect there might be some part of your psyche that still believes it would be like eating "people" . . . Maybe slightly, but I tend to have a

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Hollins sez: > There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly > are ritually killed, and served up to their tribe. NOT > eating your dear aunt was considered dreadfully insulting > to her spirit. Very tight family dynamics. They must have read "Stranger in a Strange Land". Regards Stev

RE: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Jones Beene
You are flashing on the "foodstuff" known as 'Soylent green' correct? Tagline :) It's the year 2022... People are still the same. They'll do anything to get what they need. And they need SOYLENT GREEN. -Original Message- From: Rick Monteverde This is rather scary. If they can do pig

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Alexander Hollins
There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly are ritually killed, and served up to their tribe. NOT eating your dear aunt was considered dreadfully insulting to her spirit. Very tight family dynamics. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:40 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Jed sez > >>

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alexander Hollins wrote: agreed. even better, that same technology would mean growing replacement meat, skin and wait for it ORGANS! And it doesn't stop there. As Jon Stewart recently pointed out, your organs can organize against you. They conspire against you! See: The 11/3 Proje

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jed sez > Seriously, so what? I honestly don't find anything scary about it. I admit I > might hesitate to try the stuff myself. But I am not an adventurous eater. I'm curious. Why do you suspect you might hesitate to sample it? Is it still a cultural issue, like it might be for me? Do you suspec

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Alexander Hollins
agreed. even better, that same technology would mean growing replacement meat, skin and wait for it ORGANS! and remember, its boil a bicep, fry an organ. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Rick Monteverde wrote: > >> This is rather scary. If they can do pig, could lo

RE: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rick Monteverde wrote: This is rather scary. If they can do pig, could long pig be far behind? Seriously, so what? I honestly don't find anything scary about it. I admit I might hesitate to try the stuff myself. But I am not an adventurous eater. I do not see any moral problem with this, o

RE: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Rick Monteverde
This is rather scary. If they can do pig, could long pig be far behind? Soilent is... R.

[Vo]:Barnhart article remains popular

2009-12-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
People have downloaded ~600 copies of the Barnhart article. It has not taken off abruptly but it is consistently popular. This is partly because I have it featured on the front page. But other papers on the front page are not as popular. I hope it is having a quiet yet pervasive effect. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Alexander Hollins
Yeah, I commented before reading the article, my bad. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Alexander Hollins wrote: > >> Unless they artifically work the muscles, it will likely be similar to >> veal, softer, less gamey meat.  IE, higher quality to most peoples' >> palates. > >

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jed sez: > Just imagine what this guy will say when meat from the cells of homo sapiens > comes > on the market. > > I think that is inevitable. See Arthur C. Clarke's short story, "Food of the > Gods." I must confess that my first reaction was one of revulsion. Me??? A practicing cannibal T

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jed sez: ... > Just imagine what this guy will say when meat from the cells of homo sapiens > comes on the market. > > I think that is inevitable. See Arthur C. Clarke's short story, "Food of the > Gods." aka "long pork". http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/long_pork Regards Steven Vincent Johnson w

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven V Johnson quoted someone: Being grown on a dish does not remove it from it's biological origins having been acquired from an animal... Metaphysically will continue to be an extension of the donor, and give for very warped outcomes in post biological existence/after life. . . . I love it

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alexander Hollins wrote: Unless they artifically work the muscles, it will likely be similar to veal, softer, less gamey meat. IE, higher quality to most peoples' palates. I read somewhere that they do work the muscles, and if they do not it comes out like mush rather than meat. I expect t

Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread Alexander Hollins
Unless they artifically work the muscles, it will likely be similar to veal, softer, less gamey meat. IE, higher quality to most peoples' palates. as for the "metaphysical" resistance. What a maroon. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:50 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Steven Vincent Jo

[Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)

2009-12-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Steven Vincent Johnson sez: >Jed, > > You might enjoy the following article from Times OnLine: > > "Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory" > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6936352.ece > http://tinyurl.com/ycq7w86 Oh dear! I just HAVE to share one of the comments made b

[Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory

2009-12-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jed, You might enjoy the following article from Times OnLine: "Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory" http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6936352.ece http://tinyurl.com/ycq7w86 Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks