Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-30 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
The government in US does not exist. it is a puppet of business, and this is a concept that in Europe we had to learn to fight. But it is hard to import. US Government is a vehicle to make business run nicely. In europe a big change is in process, but not event to the quite coherent system of US.

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-30 Thread James Bowery
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > ...There is precedent for this. In 1917, the United States wanted to begin > large-scale mass production of aircraft for World War I. The industry was > hamstrung by patent fights especially by the original patent which had been > bought by W

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
the need to merge the patent like it has been for plane seems reasonable. the notion of taxing cold fusion is classic for IP or any business. Windows is a tax on PC... state or private is a polemic detail. the CF inventors could merge their patents to accelerate the developpement of applications

[Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
noone noone wrote: I don't agree with the government using tax dollars to pay cold fusion > inventors. > > In my opinion, the government needs to be forced (peacefully) to grant > Rossi's patent. > As I said, having the government grant a patent is functionally equivalent to using a tax surchar

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread noone noone
e it worse. From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917 Craig Haynie wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:01 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: > >> Someone here

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread noone noone
50 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917 Robert Leguillon wrote: Due to the international nature of these patents, what do you predict today? > I know little about patents. My only prediction is that the people who deserve a patent for the basic i

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread noone noone
. From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917 Craig Haynie wrote: But you're not proposing a solution within a moral framework. You're >advocating that peop

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig Haynie wrote: But you're not proposing a solution within a moral framework. You're > advocating that people take money from those who may not want to give > it . . . In that case it should come from a temporary tax on the sale of cold fusion devices. A royalty, in other words. Taxation

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > Where is Stanley Pons? > He is living quietly in France. I have not heard from him in years. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Fleischmann is not working on anything. He is old and suffering from a fatal > disease. He got nothing for his efforts in cold fusion. Neither did any of > the other pioneers. They are mostly old or dead. All they got was 22 years > of grief

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Craig Haynie
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:34 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Craig Haynie wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:01 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > Someone here suggested that the best solution to this > problem would be > > for governments to throw a large pile

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Leguillon wrote: Due to the international nature of these patents, what do you predict today? > I know little about patents. My only prediction is that the people who deserve a patent for the basic invention of cold fusion will not get one. Cold fusion is essentially in the public domain.

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig Haynie wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:01 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > Someone here suggested that the best solution to this problem would be > > for governments to throw a large pile of money that everyone involved > > in the initial development of cold fusion. I think that would proba

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Leguillon
Due to the international nature of these patents, what do you predict today? Would LENR be coopted by the IAEA or UN? Would there be a declaration of energy as a "human right", and thus richer countries subsidizing the energy needs of poorer nations? Or would $ for new energy sources be pried fr

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here are some notes on the outcome. I though Uncle Sam purchased the patents, as originally planned. Not so, according to: "The American aviation experience: a history" By Tim Brady There was a tangle of 130 patents, all essential to aviation. On July 24, 1917 Congress appropriated $640 million f

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Craig Haynie
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:01 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Someone here suggested that the best solution to this problem would be > for governments to throw a large pile of money that everyone involved > in the initial development of cold fusion. I think that would probably > be a good idea. I hope

[Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
I think it is likely that the intellectual property rights for cold fusion will soon result in a gigantic legal brawl with countless lawsuits. I suppose that powerful interests may line up behind Piantelli to sue Rossi, and vice versa, with everyone suing Defkalion. A lawsuit frenzy should not hold