[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-16 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Jan Visser wrote: > Wayne and Kirby (others?), > > I agree regarding OLPC and the (limited) practice emerging from it. It’s a > different use of the technology than what’s normally being done. Papert’s > work from a long time ago is, I assume, still an inspiration

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content? ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS

2009-11-15 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
; > > > -- > > *From:* wikieducator@googlegroups.com [mailto: > wikieduca...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jan Visser > *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:06 PM > *To:* wikieducator@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [WikiEducator] Re: WE believ

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content? ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS

2009-11-15 Thread valerie
Hi Jan You have reminded us of the range of learners to be helped. Expanding mobile phones capabilities bypass many of the problems that you describe and we are seeing amazing progress there. We can be working to immediately benefit learners in less challenging situations. There is an enormous o

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-15 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 03:05, Jan Visser wrote: > Wayne and Kirby (others?), > > I agree regarding OLPC and the (limited) practice emerging from it. It’s a > different use of the technology than what’s normally being done. Papert’s > work from a long time ago is, I assume, still an inspiration f

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content? ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS

2009-11-15 Thread Jan Visser
nt: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:06 PM To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content? Wayne and Kirby (others?), I agree regarding OLPC and the (limited) practice emerging from it. It's a different use of the techno

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-15 Thread Jan Visser
15, 2009 1:05 AM To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content? Hi Kirby, Wow -- its a small world :-). I'm a South African by birth and very familiar with both the Freedom Toaster and Tuxlabs projects -- both ins

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-15 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:40, kirby urner wrote: > > My impression is there's a huge amount of free content if (a) you have > access to the Internet and (b) you have enough education to know how > to read and study the materials, find your peer groups, organize a > learning experience resulting

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread NELLIE DEUTSCH
Wayne, Eliza and others, Here is what we are doing on WikiEducator to facilitate the process of introducing educators to the use of technology one step at a time: http://wikieducator.org/Integrating_Technology_for_Active_Learning Everyone is invited to join. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Sharing is C

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Valerie, With thanks to dedicated WikiEducators like yourself (and hundreds of others) -- WE, as a community, is now in a position to scale up our original vision of developing digital OERs in support of all national curricula. One advantage of open self organising systems is the ability to so

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread Randy Fisher
Hi Wayne & Kirby, Please keep us informed of the developments here - this could be a great leadership statement, and a challenge to other CS departments 'round the world to follow... - Randy On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Wayne Mackintosh < mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Kirby, > > W

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Kirby, Wow -- CS unplugged is very smart!!! Any possibility of getting the course materials released under a license that meets the requirements of the free cultural works definition? A few essential freedoms missing in the current license being used :-(. ND & NC clauses restricting the poten

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Kirby, Wow -- its a small world :-). I'm a South African by birth and very familiar with both the Freedom Toaster and Tuxlabs projects -- both inspirational projects. We can learn a lot from these projects and find ways to collaborate. I've always maintained that real ICT innovation in educati

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread kirby urner
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Wayne Mackintosh wrote: > Hi Kirby, > > You make a good point about the potential abundance of access to digital > content. However, in reality I think we are a long way off from a world > where we have access to digital content PLUS the permissions to adapt, > mo

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread valerie
Thanks Wayne Many of us would like to work on exactly this sort of project. What do we know about the content needs for this? Can we layout a foundation so we can collaborate on content creation and assembly, in parallel with resolving distribution issues? Is there some subject and grade level t

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Kirby, You make a good point about the potential abundance of access to digital content. However, in reality I think we are a long way off from a world where we have access to digital content PLUS the permissions to adapt, modify and redistribute without restriction. Herein lies the differentia

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Eliza, That's a good point. Self-organising, peer production communities are very different from the traditional model, hence the fear of organisations to try it out. Administrators and decision-makers who don't have experience of the effectiveness and agility of self-organising systems find i

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread kirby urner
My impression is there's a huge amount of free content if (a) you have access to the Internet and (b) you have enough education to know how to read and study the materials, find your peer groups, organize a learning experience resulting in credentials and opportunities. Both (a) and (b) cannot be

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread Minhaaj ur Rehman
I am pretty sure when Bob Dylan said 'mountain', he didnt only refer to copyrighted material, he used it for all 'licensed' material be it creative commons or FSF licenses. Freedom is freedom, it doesn't come with CC-BY-SA. I would be interested to see how long that mountain stands. On 14 Nov, 00

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread eliza papajanis
Hi, there is one point to be added to the list;it`s to protect the victims ( teachers or educators) from the bad guys stiil conjacted to the old ways and the archaic view of the education; some of them they do it for money and/or security and they think there is not a better way. They should be enc

[WikiEducator] Re: WE believe in education - So where is all the free content?

2009-11-14 Thread Patricia
This is really impressive, Wayne. WikiEducator has grown into the most active open source online platform there is globally and it has been a privilege to have been part of this growing community and project from the get go. It has been an exciting journey to this point and I am looking forward to