I think pretty much anything is better than the current situation. I'd
support this proposal.
The timing is right too with the WMF vs NSA lawsuit just happening.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Arlo Breault
wrote:
> I share Risker’s concerns here and limiting the anonymity
> set to the inters
e of saying "Hey the
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u make an edit that
revision is fixed and should not be able to be modified. This is
one of the core principles that makes wikis work.
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> any way nor are we planning to.
By default Tor doesn't keep any meaningful logs and the folks at the Tor
project get very upset if you change that, for obvious reasons.
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Agreed! Congrats!
> Awesome Yuvi. Congratulations! :D
>
>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 10:47 PM, Danese Cooper wrote:
>>
>> Woot! Way to go, Yuvi!
>>
>> D
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Mark Bergsma wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm very pleased to announce that as of this week, Yuvi Panda
iled a bug[2] and Kunal (Legoktm) has provided a patch[3] to allow
>> site-wide styling back on those pages.
>
> Right, the patch only re-adds site-wide CSS, not JS.
>
This seems completely reasonable to me. I'd merge is personally. Is there
any reason not to?
Thank you
> because it's a big step forward towards the goal of making even
> relatively complex tasks like inserting citations more convenient in
> VE than in wikitext.
Not going to lie, that sounds really cool. Can't wait to see that
finished.
Welcome Marielle. I wish you the best of
e that would be hard to modify
to pull from the list of Tor nodes to get its list of users.
I'll take a look at the TorBlock extension and the FlaggedRevs extension
code and see what I can see.
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their own GPG keys, or has access to several
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useful to someone trying to kill them (or at least identify their
real world identity).
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not be).
Are Tor exit relays that block access to Wikimedia in their rejection
policies usually allowed to edit Wikimedia projects?
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; numerous innocent users, and by no means excludes seriously malicious
> users.
I did respond to this to explain our concerns, which is what netted
the GPG idea. Does anyone see any glaringly obvious problems with
requiring an easily blockable and difficult to
oesn't this should be fairly trivial to put together I would
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accept some sort of
proof of work rather than their public facing IP address as well.
If we had a system where in order to be issued a certificate in
Nymble you had to complete a proof-of-work that took perhaps
several hours of computation and was issued for a week, that might
be a sufficient barri
accept some sort of
proof of work rather than their public facing IP address as well.
If we had a system where in order to be issued a certificate in
Nymble you had to complete a proof-of-work that took perhaps
several hours of computation and was issued for a week, that might
be a sufficient barri
t; This also makes working out what the state of the page at time X quite
> hard for things like "Please note that I am being paid to edit by XYZ Inc."
> that come and go from month to month to be seen.
This is one of my biggest concerns as well.
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l that points towards this.
We need to transition away from a framework where IP addresses are our only
means to block problematic editors and towards a framework where we can do
so via other less intrusive means.
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> (spam/trolling/vandalism).
Might you have been talking about Bug #30716? [1] It happened in September
of 2011. In May of 2012 the bug was re-opened and it hasn't yet been closed.
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their thing, I feel we shouldn't be punishing those who care about their
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yourself.
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(Also, and not to nitpick, "Tor" not "TOR&
Alright, this is a long email, and it acts to basically summarise all of the
discussions that have already happened on this topic. I'll be posting a copy
of it to Mediawiki.org as well so that it will be easier to find out about
what has already been proposed in the future.
There is a policy side
least appear there is at least some merit
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from Tor connections would need to have
their edits reviewed, or perhaps just wouldn't get autopatrolled status as
quickly (if ever).
There has got to be a better solution to the problem than just blocking all Tor
users completely.
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[1
You will be serverly missed.
You've always been one of my favourite people at the Foundation.
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to them and then consume
> the subscription at the moment that I feel comfortable doing that. It
> is like it is mixing my mailbox with my newspaper...
I haven't played around with Flow yet, but if that is how Flow integrates
into Echo, I can definitely see that being a huge complaint from a ton of
people. I'd find that somewhat annoying too.
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Indeed! Very much looking forward to that! Phabricator looks like a great
piece of software.
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> Because we decided to work on the Phabricator project in Phabricator, to
> learn in depth how it works and how could we work best with it.
Eating your own dogfood and all that.
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ons a perfectly viable GSoC
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y collect data on how many wikis make use of any given extension?
Exposing that data may also help someone make an informed decision about whether
or not to use an extension.
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g.
I think Erik's commit is likely poisoned at this point and any work
that stems from it is unlikely to be accepted by the wider community.
I like the discussion that is going on in #69445, thank you for filing
that Legoktm.
If nothing else, this whole debacle brought this i
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Personally, I don't find it worrying, I actually find it quite refreshing.
Its about time third-party users were treated as first-party citizens! :D
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them know that their installation of Mediawiki is both out
of date and vulnerable. Just a few days ago I let the Free Software Foundation
know that they were running Mediawiki 1.16, which is vulnerable and hasn't been
supported for some time.
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discussing here
previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers. If we have
something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to help them
out. No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the testing
manually.
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tbleed issue
(actually had a few users here at the office come to me very concerned about
what they heard on the news).
Glad to hear that the certs were reissued to take care of that.
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I rejected the certificate for the moment, but saved a copy of both if anyone
wants to take a look.
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Would anyone be willing to let me know where this bug stands, or close it if it
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ions with Top Level Design, both
to look into potentially appropriate uses (e.g. URL shorteners) and to prevent
squatting of WMF trademarks."
I imagine that this is just that in action.
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no means perfect at it myself, but even with the practice that I
have I've already seen a huge improvement in how I relate to others. I really
think that it could do a lot of good here.
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[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wik
to use VisualEditor on current wikis.
This is what I had originally thought, but then somehow along the way I managed
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editor, I won't be able to use Visual Editor with it anymore.
>> The documentation for the extension's installation mentions
>
>Do you have a link to this documentation?
I was reading this page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor
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#x27;m thinking about letting folks try Visual Editor here, but I need to be able
to work with Wikitext still as there are definitely some unusual things I do in
Wikitext from time to time.
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A
t of crap
a while back from everyone, including myself, but you really are working on an
awesome product, and I'm glad to see it happening.
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(Hmmm this signature looks like I'm thanking myself given the rest of the
mail. I'm not, just to be clear)
tool at [0] to check their eligibility to vote.
Is there a bug in bugzilla that I might be able to watch? Or is this a new
issue?
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[1] https://toolserver.org/~pathoschild/accounteligibility/?event=31
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>https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SSLClientAuthentication
Pretty close. I was actually thinking well known PGP keypair, but SSL cert
signed by a trusted CA works just as well. I'll fool around with that
extension later to
support an initiative to add
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: 162.17.205.153, 208.80.154.76, 10.64.32.105
Error: 503, Service Unavailable at Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:40:23 GMT
(Missed the Super Bowl and attempting to figure out what all the big talk about
it is about, apparently it was a slaughter?)
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e claim their email accounts were
>hijacked.
I feel as though this idea does not meet my need for privacy. I can guess that
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ia. I am not seeing it affect
Mediawiki.org
Additionally the issue seems to be affecting more than just the English
language Wikipedia. The lojban language Wikipedia is also experiencing
difficulties.
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/Johnny_the_Homicidal_Maniac, from
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Forwarded for: 162.17.205.153, 208.80.154.76, 10.64.32.106
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n. This seems like a really great
opportunity to pick up some new volunteers and get some annoying bugs out of
the way.
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least let me know in a highly visible way when I forget to do something about
them, unlike magic return values which may cause problems which do not surface
right away if a check is forgotten.
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e also wants the edit to go through and be visible right away. I
believe that he is trying to assume good faith in these types of edits. Trust,
but verify, if you will.
I'm not entirely sure that FlaggedRevs is the best solution here.
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e geoip check also disable the preference check mark?
What if I am on vacation in China and want the preference to still be checked
when I return home?
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x27;s been a while since I
read the GPL.
Looking back over it again (well the FAQ actually), that is very
non-intuitive... we'd need to fork the Mediawiki process to allow non-GPL
extensions to be distributed?
I might have to look into licenses again and make sure what I use is GPL
compatibl
diagnosing this.
Image Details:
File:Lab Map.png
(6,001 × 2,387 pixels, file size: 1,003 KB, MIME type: image/png)
Any ideas what the issue might be or where I could look for more info?
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ained, but I
>wouldn't describe it as being "done silently".
I guess the next question is what can we do to ensure that something like this
doesn't happen again? I think everyone would have been a lot more calm if they
had read and understood your communication in the
It appears that CustomEditor is no longer in includes/Wiki.php like the
documentation says it is.[0]
Any idea where this hook relocated to?
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[0]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/CustomEditor
Afternoon,
Anyone else having issues getting at Gitblit? I've not been able to get at it
for the past half hour or so.
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hit for all of us developer types.
From what I have seen on this mailing list the past few days, please correct me
if I am wrong, is that the community feels frustrated that the product team for
Visual Editor is failing to acknowledge their needs. Enabling this preference
would likely clear th
t;Now thats not possible any longer.
Slightly off topic, but for this problem at least you could try using
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great.
Of course I could be missing something here.
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se of this hook? Does
VisualEditor? I just want a second example of how to build an edit page that
does things a little differently so that I can compare the two and learn a bit
more about ways that I can go about this.
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Give them time Edmund.
Alternatively, you can go to the following URL and remove yourself.
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>> Where do we send diffs from Visual Editor that look strange?
>>
>> Such as this one:
>> [snip]
>>
>> Thank you,
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>
>The link arrived broken. Here's an attempt to unbre
Where do we send diffs from Visual Editor that look strange?
Such as this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polycarbonate&diff=prev&oldid=5646183
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>
>...snip...
>
>Thank you,
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It appears that I misunderstood what ContentHandler is and what it does. This
misunderstanding has been corrected.
If I have any more questions, I'll send them though.
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at all clear in this email, so if I didn't give
enough information or you have questions that might clarify both in my mind and
yours what I am trying to accomplish feel free to ask.
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Mailing list whenever I feel I can (and I read everything).
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general though as it was just
a left over configuration change from some time ago that I had forgotten to
remove when we determined we wouldn't be using it.
I think that's now twice in as many days I've been ninja'd in an email. Makes
me laugh
>...snip...
>
>Any idea what I may have done wrong. Is there a new setting that I may have
missed? Has anyone ever seen this sort of issue before?
>
>Thank you,
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I determined the issue. I had $wgUrlProtocols[] = "file:"; in my
LocalSettings.php from
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ument, like the
Roadmap document, that outlines the upcoming goals for VisualEditor for the
remainder of the year?
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ght now the
script you linked to is all the scripts on the page pretty much compressed into
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notice at the top of
Visual Editor to allow them to easily change the preference back as well.
While this doesn't solve the template issue (and the clean-up that will
inevitable come of that), it might work as a solution to the getting new users
to test VE issue.
word you can place the table of contents wherever you want in the document.[0]
At least in that case, parsing the entire document might be best.
/me goes back to lurking.
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r human review on code which is
>> | obviously broken.
>>
>> Why not just add (more) slaves? Computing power is much
>> cheaper than developer time.
>
>I absolutely agree.
I'm also in agreement on this one. Having tests run aft
evant now, may not be 5 years down the line. Although
everyone at the WMF and who volunteers with the WMF is a lot better about
updating outdated policies than almost anywhere else I have ever seen, we all
know that we have our fair share of outdated policies and documentation.
Anyhow, that'
r this (as I'm not on any other lists,
so I don't know their culture and scopes as well), but I believe that it is on
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>Following last year's Native HTTPS efforts¹, I've pushed a change² today
>that redirects all the old secure.wikimedia.org URLs to the respective
>native HTTPS ones, e.g.
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Main_Page gets redirected to
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
Does
eone looking to find
our copy of mediawiki-core on Github.
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ugh, I'm sure if there are
disagreements on that length of time, another could easily be decided upon.
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gt;So yeah, I'd like to take part in the survey, but I can't.
>
>-- Matma Rex
You should also add N/A options to many of your questions. Some of them are not
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pronounce your name? It is very unique looking to my uncultured eyes.
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tu/Debian box by
typing "apt-get install mediawiki mediawiki-extension-XYZ
mediawiki-extension-ZYX".
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Linux distro packaging mechanisms, like apt-get and yum. The less
>distro maintainers have to mess with MediaWiki the better.
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>Wanted to send this to you directly, since it is off topic.
>
>Where is that quote from? It is so incredibly true.
Sorry all. I meant to
Linux distro packaging mechanisms, like apt-get and yum. The less
>distro maintainers have to mess with MediaWiki the better.
Wanted to send this to you directly, since it is off topic.
Where is that quote from? It is so incredibly true.
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Derric Atzrott
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>Anyway, I do certainly think we have bigger fish to fry.
Agreed on all counts. As a compromise, might I suggest including both? [0]
[0-short]: http://exam.pl/
[0-long]: http://www.example.com/
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>> Is anyone else excited about this idea or is it just me...?
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>That is an intriguing concept that could indeed work quite well to get
>people interested, but how many will remain interested after they
>encounter gerrit?
I can't actually say I like this idea a whole lot. Here's why:
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