Re: [313] technology vs. art
Oh yeah, they've been working on that for a while. I just watched the show on PBS last night in fact that featured this little (and I do mean little) guy. It was about robots and humans, very interesting and entertaining. Wish I video taped it. Carl Craig would be very interested in this as I've heard he's fascinated by the point where human and android/robot merge. MEK From: Glyph1001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] technology vs. art Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 03:33:56 -0500 Speak of the devilits already startin'. The Humanoid Robot: ASIMO http://world.honda.com/ASIMO/ Glyph xx xx wrote: The picture of changes: The art of the demonstration The time of untruth and the space of events Idea of the name and the unconscious of personality System of the body and the energy of age Quality of air and the ignorance of order Process of work and the logic of the number Profession of force and error and mistake Feeling of reality and the habit of communication Closeness of the poles and the image of the archetype Shape of the line and the imprecision of drawing Type of the screen black-white and colour Background of presentation and the repetition of the presentation Abnormality of voice and the script of sound Essence of language and the skill of speaking Point of motion and the genesis of folklore Theory of origin and the origin of theory Cause of effect and the abstraction of the abstract Admirers of the human brain were disappointed when for the first time a computer beat a human (chess champion Gary Kasparov). But the large and powerful machine can do nothing else - it's programmed to examine millions of possible moves methodically and at great speed, calculating without any 'feeling' for what might be good or exciting. Even the smartest of today's computers are pretty dumb. The machine, the program, explores all the options, all of them exhaustively, without any insight, and then picks the one that's best in that investigation, computers have not yet to demonstrate true artificial intelligence. This experiment will show you have a far superior brain to a computer. All you need is a bag of coloured sweets (such as M Ms), some coloured pens and pencils, and some coloured beads. Spread all these things out a table so they're mixed into a big pile. Now, pick out all the green objects, followed by red, blue and so on. Then sort the piles into different objects. Pretty easy, wasn't it? If you've got a very young brother or sister who's only three years old, they'd probably be able to do it, too. But the most sophisticated computers have trouble completing this task. There are so many requirements that need to be explained for visual recognition to work with artificial intelligence. Technology affects the way we think about everything from the environment and nuclear weapons to ethnicity, working conditions and immigration, Its a cultural and historical framework that has profoundly shaped how we live and think of ourselves, our notions of right and wrong, whats possible and impossible. It affects us in ways we cant even begin to articulate. I think that when computers manage to make social interaction with humans, they would be like a super pet. That would be one thing that would be very exciting. who really counts more nowadays THE MAN or THE MACHINE To answer that unless a machine thinks: THE MAN, or rather HUMAN. And no, we have no technology in my country but we still make some gorgeous ART, that people still envies us 'till today. From: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] technology vs. art Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:19:13 In the very same mindset -Jimi Hendrix re-wired and re-thought how to record his music so he could get his guitar to sound like the music that was in his head. -Similarly the Detroit boyz took traditional gear and re-wired/re-thought it to develop the early tech soundz that kick-started (more or less) a musical revolution. Let's pose this as a question cuz I'm interested in peeps thoughts: A. Will ever-elevating recording technology equally elevate imagination or have the opposite effect...or both?? B. If bothhow then does one gage or distinguish true musicianship and talent from creativity/imagination/uniqueness in composition?? I know this is a chicken / egg paradoxical type question, but as an older soul I'm finding less imagination in the place of technological brilliancewho really counts more nowadays THE MAN or THE MACHINE I imagine that facile people will always make relatively facile music and conversely us weirdo complicated folks will forever push the envelope to express human ponderings and intricacies in ways that have heretofore never been expressed. What do you all tink??? From: Rusty Blasco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] technology vs. art Date: Wed, 31
Re: [313] technology vs. art
What is interesting is this, the name- ASIMO - Asimov as in Isaac... the guy who wrote I, Robot in which Asimov created the Three Laws of Robotics which is a Ten Commandments, as such, of robot behaviour (thou shalt not cause harm to the creators ie. humans, etc.) I know that ASIMO is supposed to stand to Advanced Step in Innovative Mobility but the coincidence is startling. MEK From: Glyph1001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] technology vs. art Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 03:33:56 -0500 Speak of the devilits already startin'. The Humanoid Robot: ASIMO http://world.honda.com/ASIMO/ Glyph xx xx wrote: The picture of changes: The art of the demonstration The time of untruth and the space of events Idea of the name and the unconscious of personality System of the body and the energy of age Quality of air and the ignorance of order Process of work and the logic of the number Profession of force and error and mistake Feeling of reality and the habit of communication Closeness of the poles and the image of the archetype Shape of the line and the imprecision of drawing Type of the screen black-white and colour Background of presentation and the repetition of the presentation Abnormality of voice and the script of sound Essence of language and the skill of speaking Point of motion and the genesis of folklore Theory of origin and the origin of theory Cause of effect and the abstraction of the abstract Admirers of the human brain were disappointed when for the first time a computer beat a human (chess champion Gary Kasparov). But the large and powerful machine can do nothing else - it's programmed to examine millions of possible moves methodically and at great speed, calculating without any 'feeling' for what might be good or exciting. Even the smartest of today's computers are pretty dumb. The machine, the program, explores all the options, all of them exhaustively, without any insight, and then picks the one that's best in that investigation, computers have not yet to demonstrate true artificial intelligence. This experiment will show you have a far superior brain to a computer. All you need is a bag of coloured sweets (such as M Ms), some coloured pens and pencils, and some coloured beads. Spread all these things out a table so they're mixed into a big pile. Now, pick out all the green objects, followed by red, blue and so on. Then sort the piles into different objects. Pretty easy, wasn't it? If you've got a very young brother or sister who's only three years old, they'd probably be able to do it, too. But the most sophisticated computers have trouble completing this task. There are so many requirements that need to be explained for visual recognition to work with artificial intelligence. Technology affects the way we think about everything from the environment and nuclear weapons to ethnicity, working conditions and immigration, Its a cultural and historical framework that has profoundly shaped how we live and think of ourselves, our notions of right and wrong, whats possible and impossible. It affects us in ways we cant even begin to articulate. I think that when computers manage to make social interaction with humans, they would be like a super pet. That would be one thing that would be very exciting. who really counts more nowadays THE MAN or THE MACHINE To answer that unless a machine thinks: THE MAN, or rather HUMAN. And no, we have no technology in my country but we still make some gorgeous ART, that people still envies us 'till today. From: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] technology vs. art Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:19:13 In the very same mindset -Jimi Hendrix re-wired and re-thought how to record his music so he could get his guitar to sound like the music that was in his head. -Similarly the Detroit boyz took traditional gear and re-wired/re-thought it to develop the early tech soundz that kick-started (more or less) a musical revolution. Let's pose this as a question cuz I'm interested in peeps thoughts: A. Will ever-elevating recording technology equally elevate imagination or have the opposite effect...or both?? B. If bothhow then does one gage or distinguish true musicianship and talent from creativity/imagination/uniqueness in composition?? I know this is a chicken / egg paradoxical type question, but as an older soul I'm finding less imagination in the place of technological brilliancewho really counts more nowadays THE MAN or THE MACHINE I imagine that facile people will always make relatively facile music and conversely us weirdo complicated folks will forever push the envelope to express human ponderings and intricacies in ways that have heretofore never been expressed. What do you all tink??? From: Rusty Blasco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] technology vs. art
[313] unsubbing
Don't know if I'll be able to get to a computer any time during my vacation (hell, that's what vacations are for right?) so I gotta unsub for a week so's my inbox doesn't explode. If anyone is going to be in Glasgow on the 10th, maybe I'll see you at Subculture or the Suburban Knight show. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] technology vs. art
Ken Ishii flipped the on/off switch on his Korg repeatedly until it started making weird noises... then he used it that way to make Jelly Tones From: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] technology vs. art Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:27:23 -0500 you're finding less imagination? 'acid trax' was made by pulling the baterries out of the 303 and slamming them back in quickly when they couldn't work out how to program it. james www.jbucknell.com laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 10/31/2001 01:19:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org cc:(bcc: James Bucknell/Magazines/Hearst) Subject: Re: [313] technology vs. art In the very same mindset -Jimi Hendrix re-wired and re-thought how to record his music so he could get his guitar to sound like the music that was in his head. -Similarly the Detroit boyz took traditional gear and re-wired/re-thought it to develop the early tech soundz that kick-started (more or less) a musical revolution. Let's pose this as a question cuz I'm interested in peeps thoughts: A. Will ever-elevating recording technology equally elevate imagination or have the opposite effect...or both?? B. If bothhow then does one gage or distinguish true musicianship and talent from creativity/imagination/uniqueness in composition?? I know this is a chicken / egg paradoxical type question, but as an older soul I'm finding less imagination in the place of technological brilliancewho really counts more nowadays THE MAN or THE MACHINE I imagine that facile people will always make relatively facile music and conversely us weirdo complicated folks will forever push the envelope to express human ponderings and intricacies in ways that have heretofore never been expressed. What do you all tink??? From: Rusty Blasco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] technology vs. art Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 08:32:36 -0500 Regarding technology (no matter the level of intricacy), here's what my trumpet professor told me about musicianship. After listening to me labor painfully through a difficult passage in a piece of music, he would stop me (probably for the sake of his sensitive ears) and make me aware of the trumpet. While holding it up, turning it, and knocking on the bell, the man explained to me that the trumpet is merely a thing of brass, incapable of producing music without assistance (in this case, the air of a human's pursed and buzzing lips). The music is in your head, he stated, pointing to his noggin. If you can't hear it, and performed flawlessly, in your own mind, than you can't expect it to come out of the instrument. Maybe this will offer some much needed elucidation. Rusty _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] FinalScratch package price
This is from an email directly from n2it that I got about FinalScratch... this version is $2,999.00 so that little Spin feature on DJ equipment was correct (if you buy this verison). Check the added feature that Richie and John have added to the package. MEK As part of this limited iiPROFSlo we will offer a completely congured, ready-to-use and ready-to-go system that consists of the following components: + FINALSCRATCH software package + ScratchAmp signal processor + Three FINALSCRATCH records + Two FINALSCRATCH slipmats + Audio and USB cables + Installation and User's Manual + Sony Vaio or similar laptop loaded with a dual boot system of BeOS and Windows + After sales service, maintenance and e-mail support FINALSCRATCH will come already loaded and ready to play with selected tracks from the catalogue of Plus 8 and Denitive Records. You can then just load and `rip' your own music les and go from there. The price for the complete PROFS is USD 2,999.00 excluding shipping, handling and taxes. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Detrechno
What's the scarcity of any Detrechno releases? Chuck on the Aux 88 Electro Boggie mix is brilliant. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Eno is keen-Ho
Just copy paste and dj ho's start running to you. [speaking like a CNN reporter] I think we should turn to our authority on DJ Ho's, Diana Potts - who is on location (http://www.selekta.com/articles/djho.asp). Diana, is it true that DJ Ho's will start running to anyone who can just copy paste? Or are DJ Ho's more complicated than that? MEK (in the studio) From: Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Rusty Blasco [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Eno is keen-o Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:39:05 +0200 (EET) On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Phonopsia wrote: Besides that, I think it's silly to blame the tools. In some cases it's very easy, and in my opinion appropriate, to blame the music makers' lack of imagination. Now that you've got soundbanks loaded with classical synths, samples sequences who needs to be creative. Just copy paste and dj ho's start running to you. The next one is a quotation from one of Neil Gaiman's Sandman comics: Tools, of course, can also be the subtlest of traps. So, how about making some _new_, to-be-classical synths, samples sequences and whatever kind of (signal to) noise you desire. J -- Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.netppl.fi/~sandman Do not allow yourself to be programmed. For once, in your life, take control. Take control. - UR - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Glasgow happenings?
Anything interesting going on the 9th and 10th of November? I won't be able to go to the Adult. show @the 13th Note but will have both of these nights open. Please respond off list, thanks. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] klubradio this week
ooh - ooh! Alaxander Kowalski, cool. Great deep German techno ala Kanzleramt. nice one. MEK From: Pit Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] klubradio this week Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:29:59 +0100 you might check out A. Kowalski http://www.klubradio.de/rams/ostgut271001.ram Air Liquide http://www.klubradio.de/rams/wmf261001.ram Jake Fairley: http://www.klubradio.de/rams/wmf271001.ram more info: http://www.klubradio.de last entries: Alexander Kowalski (live), Westbam Friends, Computerjockeys (live+dj), Louie Austen (live) Cheap rec, Goldie (updated), Air Liquide (live), Jake Fairley (live), Chicks on Speed (Djing), The Rootsman feat. earl16 (live) this week: Nativelab (live: Richard Devine, Vladislav Delay, Jake Mandell, Errorsmith et. al), Pole (live), Sven Vaeth Ricardo Villalobos, Total Science Dj Randall, DJ Epps, Fabrice Liq livestreams start 22:00 - 00:00 Berlin time (GMT+1) realplayer8 needed feedback, requests, bugreports: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] the swedish p'n'b scene
No, you want a concertina... hey if it weren't for the polka we might not have the Nortec Collective! MEK From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'graham [tan] wilson' [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] the swedish d'n'b scene Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:17:19 -0800 hey whats wrong with the bulgarian polka?? i'll have you know that the polka is a very popular dance in michigan. i grew up dancing polka with my grandma. that was my introduction to dance music... i want an accordian jeff -Original Message- From: graham [tan] wilson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:10 PM To:313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] the swedish d'n'b scene From: janos [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Here's an article about the Swedish d'nb scene : : http://www.techstylism.com/articles/swdnb.html and this is the 313 list... why dont you post something about Bulgarian Polkas! tan... -- graham [tan] wilson - 4m4.5x5.5 http://fnord.fishwerx.org/tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Neo Oujia
I seem to have lost the URL for their website...anyone have this? MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: [313] fuel to the fire : was hawtin hawtin everywhere
That's my point, the reason a lot of electronic music producers do lives is because people are used to go see live artists, and they expect performing skills. People, in general, also expect the 'look' of someone performing (ie. strumming the strings of a guitar, pressing down on the keys of a synth, etc)... it's just a shift in the paradigm that is required. The performers have made it (by using laptops and such), it's time the audiences make it. But they are always going to be slower than the performers in making the switch (or even giving up their expectations of what live means). If a performer is using a keyboard to play over some prearranged track are they playing live anymore? If they spin a record in their live set are they a DJ or a live performer? Do you like the music? Then what the f~ck does it matter how they go about bringing it to you. Change your paradigm and your ass will follow. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Strings of Life redoodoo
http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/SilverStream/Pages/srvltRecMed?RecordedMediaID=62428 Someone sampled the hell out of Strings of Life. I hope they have a good hiding place. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] some more theft
http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/SilverStream/Pages/srvltRecMed?RecordedMediaID=62427 Oh my god, they also ripped off Souxie The Banshees MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] techno/jazz --- jazz/techno
Not only has it been sampled like hell but there are a good number of cover versions as well. MEK From: Yair Etziony [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] techno/jazz --- jazz/techno Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:46:20 +0200 its -Expansions- one hell of a record. y -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:50 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: [313] techno/jazz --- jazz/techno Lonnie Liston Smith- idon`t recall the album name -but it was sampled like hell. was it spinning wheel? bye rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] techno/jazz
Add to that Spacetime Continuum's Double Fine Zone with the saxaphone bits and the Carl Craig-ish meoldies. MEK From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: The Music Institute 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] techno/jazz Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:19:05 -0400 on 10/22/01 10:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the feedbacklet me just add in Ian Simmonds - Last States of Nature on !K7 to Innerzone Orchestra - Programmed and Stacey Pullen -Today is the Tommorow CDs i mentioned earlier for an idea of type of sound Im trying find. I'm a bit surprised no one mentioned Cinematic Orchestra's Motion http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amgsql=A3k9ks31la3ng or Circadian Rhythm's Internal Clock http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amgsql=A46rj283y05ja Both of these really play with line between jazz and electronic. They're not electronic-flavored jazz, or jazz-flavored electronic music. They exist somewhere in between. Another classic worthy of anybody's collection is Rainer Truby's mix Rootdown1999 http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amgsql=Apr8ibkg90akb -- im - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Gettin' Wiggy Wit' It
La La Land reminds me of Flash in the way that the naration is more documentary... like he's just an observer of the going's on around him and he's making comments along the way. Velvet always come across as quite detached in his lyrical delivery. MEK From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Gettin' Wiggy Wit' It Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:27:24 +1000 Actually it was spelt tekno punk in Jockey Slut. That may make a difference. Funny you should mention Felix! Those albums pretty much would have been recorded at the same time. I am not sure if La La Land is actually sensationalising drug use, it's much more ambiguous, to my ears. It mixes well with Purple Pills though. 'techno punk' wow that's a revivalist term I haven't heard since The Prodigy, Atari Teenage Riots and the movie 'Hackers'. He's already been there, his schtick is running thin. There are a lot of retro sounds in there which I kinda like. That makes two. Felix Da Housecat beat him to it with 'Silver Screen Shower Scene'. But then again everyone's been slamming the Germans for producing 80's inspired glam-tech for ever (Internation Gigolo DJ's anyone?) that is until now. La La Land is boring, to me it is the techno equivalent of D12's 'Purple Pills', another scholock production sensationalizing drug use. I can't comment about the production because I would probably really like the track if he droned on about something other than drugs. There's gotta be a million interesting stories to tell out there, that involve drugs (ie. Noosa Heads 'Mushrooms', Green Velvet 'Flash'). La La Land isn't one of them. Though I'm sure Mr. Velvet could tell us a fair number. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] techno/jazz
Yes, I must agree. The broken beat stuff is really where some of the best jazz leaning sounds are coming from. Seiji (in all of his guises), Nubain Mindz, Mustang, and on and on. Still trying to get my head around the Nubian Mindz full length. Also, as a added bonus, it never fails to attract a crowd around the decks to see what you're playing. Awesome stuff. MEK From: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED], '313' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] techno/jazz Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:26:39 -0400 Mark's stuff and on the other side of the world, the West London/Broken Beat stuff are the most promising jazz/electronic hotbeds to me. If we're still talking techno and jazz, has anybody mentioned Jamie Hodge (Born Under a Rhyming Planet)? He'd probably argue that there isn't a lot of common ground between them, but in my opinion, Jamie managed to find some. -d At 10:29 AM -0400 10/23/01, Ian wrote: on 10/23/01 7:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Mark de-Clive Lowe?? Maybe in the jazz camp more than techno, but still the electronics is a pretty crucial part of his sound. His album Six Degrees is wicked. He's also pretty damn awesome live as well. Is anybody else tired of waiting for a non-japanese release? C'mon Universal! -- im - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] techno/jazz --- jazz/techno
Don't know if these were mentioned (though they aren't techno per say they were influential in the way they structured their music)... The Art Ensamble of Chicago Max Roach Lester Bowie Don Cherry Pharoah Sanders Mandrill (on the funk/jazz/rock side) Bud Powell (one, if not, the best piano players ever) Ahmad Jamal Bill Evans MEK From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] techno/jazz --- jazz/techno Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:03:25 +0100 can someone recommend me some albums by jazz musicians that are in the jazz/techno vein, something that influenced kirk, craig, ian o'brien, stacy You could try theseboth contain facinating sleeves as well. Herbie Hancock - HeadHunters Miles Davis/Bill Laswell - Panthalassa Rav. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Royksopp
Ok so they aren't from Detroit and I'm not sure they have any connection in any way to the city but has anyone heard their full length album? I picked up the Eple EP with the Bjorn Torske remix and it's so much fun listening to that I want to hear more from them. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Anyone know what ....
Mark Ambrose is doing (recording wise)? I posed this question about a week ago but got no answers but there was a Richie Hawtin discussion going on to distract everyone. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] techno/jazz
Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late... Ian O'Brien Desert Scores (Peacefrog) Kirk Degiorgio presents As One - Contours/Another Revolution (Ubiquity) check the Stacy Pullen mix Kirk Degiorgio presents As One - Nairobi (Ubuiquity) Carl Graig mix Check out just about anything on Compost records as well You might also enjoy Flanger. MEK From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] techno/jazz Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:25:16 +1000 I think you would enjoy the Herbie Hancock album which I haven't heard of yet but everyone seems enamoured with. LTJ Bukem has remixed a single from that album. You may like Bukem's stuff generally as he shares the same kind of cultural sensibilities, with that jazz/tech/house hybrid. Bukem is working on a remix album of Journey Inwards with some of his own heroes - though no names are being given out, my guess is that artists from Detroit, Chicago and the jazz world will be involved in that. He is also launching a new deep house label Deep Rooted, so maybe look out for those issues. I think it will be interesting. Also Dave Angel's roots are heavily steeped in jazz, so maybe his artist albums. I know his next one was gonna feature live musicians but I haven't heard anything more about this. Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late...mixing live instrumentation and and techno machine driven patterns and effects. Maybe is appeals to my 'rare groove' listening side... Two notable pieces are Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction of similar materail in techno ? Thanks Rav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Groovetech/BetaLounge
No, but I can't get into Beta Lounge for two days now. I NEED to record the Isolee set for my upcoming trip! Anyone else having problems with Beta Lounge? MEK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Groovetech site Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:06:12 -0400 Anyone else having difficulty with accessing the site this morning? I'm getting a 'cannot find server' page. -dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
You sure as hell can't hang a mp3 file on the wall. Or make it blue, red, or green - nor can you make it play it from the inside to the outer rim; have two tracks pressed side-by-side; etch funny, odd words or messages to the majors into them; press them with pictures on the surface... need I go on? MEK From: Glyph1001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:14:10 -0400 The only gripe I have with this new techology is how it may deter some people from their duty of actually making a record. Producing and having a vinyl copy of one's music, released, is like the initiation process for a fraternity. To me, the mark of a real and serious musician is to produce a vinyl copy of one's music. This mp3 internet stuff doesn't count in relation to this reponsiblity, IMHO. You sure as hell can't hang a mp3 file on the wall. My spare penny, G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Best song title of the year
Binge Purge's Why Can't I Find Good Records at Gramophone MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Mark Ambrose
What's he been up to lately? Is Crayon still in business? MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
Just for the sake of playing the devil's advocate: what you do on the turntables should be determined by your skill level and inventiveness, not by the vinyl you can afford or have access to. instead of letting record companies, distributors, and record stores determine what tracks you have access to you can play tracks by anybody that cares to post them. You're point against record companies, distributors, etc. overlooks somethings. For example: if you don't have access to a computer that you can easily download mp3 files from, have a portable computer, and/or can't afford the FinalScratch hardware. Vinyl, 2 and a mixer (there are cheap ones) are still more affordable and accessable to people than digitally based mixing systems. Other than that I agree with you 100%. MEK From: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vince Woolums [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:05:29 -0400 i don't think you understand what final stratch is, and how de9(?) was made. as far as i know, de9 wasn't made using final stratch. it was made in the studio, with samplers and sequences--it's essentially a 60 minute track remixed by richie hawtin. it's not a dj mix cd. final stratch is a tool that allows use to use two regular turntables and a regular mixer to control any a digital file on a computer just like you would a slab of vinyl. you slow the turntable down and the digital file slows down etc. you do it live. it's not digital editing tool like pro tools or peak etc. anything you do with you do live. as for the detrimental trade on vinyl. well, it's heavy, wears out, and is hard to distribute. digital files can be endlessly copied and emailed all over the place, placed on sites. it allows more people to have access to more music. what you do on the turntables should be determined by your skill level and inventiveness, not by the vinyl you can afford or have access to. instead of letting record companies, distributors, and record stores determine what tracks you have access to you can play tracks by anybody that cares to post them. james www.jbucknell.com Vince Woolums [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 10/17/2001 10:28:34 AM To: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org cc:(bcc: James Bucknell/Magazines/Hearst) Subject: Re: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere Personally, I just can't get into Final Scratch and digital editing. There are hundreds DJs out there who are equipped with the physical hardware to (nearly) do this kind of audio montage live. They're called turntablists. And in techno, a few names shouldn't be too far out of mind - Mills, Young, Parker, Bone to name a few key Detroiters. Not to mention the detrimental effect use of digital files may have on the trade of vinyl discs... Vince Woolums AOL IM: vincewoolums http://bnsrecords.gemm.com http://www.recordcollectorinc.com - Original Message - From: Glyph1001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [313] hawtin hawtin everywhere Mixed reviews is the consensus. I personally thought musically, the cd was pretty cool and funky. I've said before that it sounded Studio One-ish. This series is all about the gear and techniques that goes into the production of these mixes, not necessarily the music itself, although some people expected way too much from R1chie musically, hence the mixed reviews. g. Rusty Blasco wrote: So what's the consensus floating around thus far concerning the new R!chie H!wtin joint? I personally haven't heard it yet and am waiting for my first paycheck in months (fingers crossed it doesn't get held up somewhere in the bureaucratic process); a positive public opinion will increase the excitement I have towards my not-too-distant purchase. Has he mellowed out or become any housier (as a colleague informed me)? Please respond to me personally. Rusty _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
[313] Mad Mike Happy Trax
Anyone heard/seen/have this. I found it last night while scrounging through the used bins. Happy Trax #1 on Happy Records, no copyright date. Three tracks of acid house. Orange label with a child-like drawing of a potted flower and a picture of guy with his hands in the air. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Track ID..[Metamorphic records]
neat, I just bought that little 12 on Environ myself... fantastic elektro house/disco. Speaking of Geist, I saw a release on Metamorphic records by him. Any words on Metamorphic's other releases? MEK From: ryan burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Track ID Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:05:32 -0500 metro area 2. burns From: glyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] on the topic of i-f id's: can anybody spot that track that comes in around 38:00 or so in that same mix? totally bitchin'. glyn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] TJR? tech-house DJ from Detroit
Who is TJR? Greetings from First Avenue, This Sunday (10/24) we'll be offering up quite the little extravaganza. ESP Woody McBride, P.D.Spinlove, E-Tones, Superstar Friday stalwart Freddie Hall, and very special guest TJR (a tech-house dj from Detroit with amazing turntablist skills) will be holding down the Mainroom. We've reserved a very special surprise for the VIP Lounge. Anyone wishing to get on the guest list need only reply to this email. Thanks, Rod _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Warp/Rob Mitchell
Yeah, it's true (direct from the Warp website): 09.10.01 ROB MITCHELL It feels strange posting this news on our website but we want to stop any unnecessary speculation. Co-founder of Warp Records Rob Mitchell passed away on Monday morning 8th October after a hard fought battle with cancer. This is obviously a very sad time for us and all who knew Rob. Everyone here at Warp will continue to build on what Rob has given us. MEK From: et machina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Warp/Rob Mitchell Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:23:34 + Rob Mitchell, Warp founder is reported dead, supposedly from cancer. www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,45166,00.html :( condolences, r.i.p. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Warp/Rob Mitchell
Yeah, it's true (direct from the Warp website): 09.10.01 ROB MITCHELL It feels strange posting this news on our website but we want to stop any unnecessary speculation. Co-founder of Warp Records Rob Mitchell passed away on Monday morning 8th October after a hard fought battle with cancer. This is obviously a very sad time for us and all who knew Rob. Everyone here at Warp will continue to build on what Rob has given us. MEK From: et machina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Warp/Rob Mitchell Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:23:34 + Rob Mitchell, Warp founder is reported dead, supposedly from cancer. www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,45166,00.html :( condolences, r.i.p. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Uwe Schmidt / Senor Coconut
I suppose prolific should be added as well, when one looks at the sheer volume of his releases. There are a number of German/Chilean artists, closely related to Uwe Schmidt and the Frankfurt scene, whose work flies under the radar of most people... Pink Elln (TM), Gabriel LeMar, Dandy Jack (who is also part of Ric Y Martin on the Perlon label), Pascal FEOS, Alax Azary, Michael Kohlbecker, etc. It's interesting to see how this web of aliases and friendships is weaved. MEK From: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Uwe Schmidt / Senor Coconut Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:37:59 -0500 My understanding of this (which may certainly be flawed - I have done email volley with Uwe, but not over this subject. NICE guy!) is that some of the Kraftwerkers didn't think certain songs worked via the Latin treatment because they weren't as *funny* as the others - not that they were against the reworkings in general. Uwe was apparently miffed that they thought the Latinesque style was ~simply~ funny. This is the gist of the scuttlebutt surrounding the matter as it was discussed on Mother, the AtomTM list. Normally you dismiss this kind of talk, but several members on the list DO dialogue extensively with Uwe himself; Uwe tends to reply to email readily and is very congenial. He has said in the past that Kraftwerk's songs ARE more compositions than some of what is out and about in the electronic scene and so they lend themselves more readily to translation. As for Uwe's sense of humor and style, it's pretty obvious if one has been following his career - and quite panoramic. I suppose prolific should be added as well, when one looks at the sheer volume of his releases. Rather Interesting 57 is very close to seeing the light of day as well. At 09:04 AM 10/5/2001, Gwendal Cobert wrote: Florian Schneider from Kraftwerk!!(that ended up with rumors about kraftwerk being upset with those latin remixes) I don't understand why Kraftwerk would have to be upset with those versions : - I always had the feeling these guys had a lot of humour - and one thing these versions show : Kraftwerk songs are great songs, whatever instruments they're played with... Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Sieg Uber Die Sonne
Here is also the link to MultiColor... http://www.multicolor-recordings.de/ MEK From: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Sieg Uber Die Sonne Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 12:26:49 -0500 Whoops...here's that link. http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/atom_heart/Pages/SiegUber.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Fwd: Drum Machine/BPM counter/wristwatch?
Anyone ever seen one of these? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1468745589: Stanton Rhythm Watch by Seiko - NEW Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:12:11 PDT I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community, and thought that you might be interested. Title of item: Stanton Rhythm Watch by Seiko - NEW Seller: prosoundandstagelighting Starts: Sep-25-01 14:29:08 PDT Ends: Oct-05-01 14:29:08 PDT Price: Starts at $25.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1468745589 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Uwe Schmidt / Senor Coconut
I suppose prolific should be added as well, when one looks at the sheer volume of his releases. There are a number of German/Chilean artists, closely related to Uwe Schmidt and the Frankfurt scene, whose work flies under the radar of most people... Pink Elln (TM), Gabriel LeMar, Dandy Jack (who is also part of Ric Y Martin on the Perlon label), Pascal FEOS, Alax Azary, Michael Kohlbecker, etc. It's interesting to see how this web of aliases and friendships is weaved. MEK From: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Uwe Schmidt / Senor Coconut Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:37:59 -0500 My understanding of this (which may certainly be flawed - I have done email volley with Uwe, but not over this subject. NICE guy!) is that some of the Kraftwerkers didn't think certain songs worked via the Latin treatment because they weren't as *funny* as the others - not that they were against the reworkings in general. Uwe was apparently miffed that they thought the Latinesque style was ~simply~ funny. This is the gist of the scuttlebutt surrounding the matter as it was discussed on Mother, the AtomTM list. Normally you dismiss this kind of talk, but several members on the list DO dialogue extensively with Uwe himself; Uwe tends to reply to email readily and is very congenial. He has said in the past that Kraftwerk's songs ARE more compositions than some of what is out and about in the electronic scene and so they lend themselves more readily to translation. As for Uwe's sense of humor and style, it's pretty obvious if one has been following his career - and quite panoramic. I suppose prolific should be added as well, when one looks at the sheer volume of his releases. Rather Interesting 57 is very close to seeing the light of day as well. At 09:04 AM 10/5/2001, Gwendal Cobert wrote: Florian Schneider from Kraftwerk!!(that ended up with rumors about kraftwerk being upset with those latin remixes) I don't understand why Kraftwerk would have to be upset with those versions : - I always had the feeling these guys had a lot of humour - and one thing these versions show : Kraftwerk songs are great songs, whatever instruments they're played with... Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Sieg Uber Die Sonne
Here is also the link to MultiColor... http://www.multicolor-recordings.de/ MEK From: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Sieg Uber Die Sonne Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 12:26:49 -0500 Whoops...here's that link. http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/atom_heart/Pages/SiegUber.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Fwd: Drum Machine/BPM counter/wristwatch?
Anyone ever seen one of these? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1468745589: Stanton Rhythm Watch by Seiko - NEW Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:12:11 PDT I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community, and thought that you might be interested. Title of item: Stanton Rhythm Watch by Seiko - NEW Seller: prosoundandstagelighting Starts: Sep-25-01 14:29:08 PDT Ends: Oct-05-01 14:29:08 PDT Price: Starts at $25.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1468745589 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] in town
You mean like a gurney? ;) MEK From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] in town Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:06:39 -0400 (EDT) i'll be in detroit this weekendwhat's going on? i'm not as mobile as i'd like to be because i'm recuperating from back surgery but i should be able to hook something up - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] micro-house...er whatever
Is it just me or does a lot of this stuff also have a sound derived from electro? MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] in town
You mean like a gurney? ;) MEK From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] in town Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:06:39 -0400 (EDT) i'll be in detroit this weekendwhat's going on? i'm not as mobile as i'd like to be because i'm recuperating from back surgery but i should be able to hook something up - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] micro-house...er whatever
Is it just me or does a lot of this stuff also have a sound derived from electro? MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Recent purchase
I just picked up a 12 on R.A.N.D.(United States of Mars) by Red Sparrow who is apparently also known as Lowtec. it's excellent broken beat that will be enjoyed by any fans of C.Craig, Afronaught, Moodyman, Theo Parrish, etc. Very jazzy. I also found Telex's Neurovision used. I was curious if anyone knows about this release. The copy I found has Moskow Diskow on it but every discog I find of theirs lists that song being on their previous record Looking for Saint-Tropez and not on Neurovision. Also, I thought I saw on my copy of Neurovision that the copyright was for 1978 on Sire records but Neurovision is always listed as 1980 copyright. Anyone know what is up with this? MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Salz
Anyone heard of this label? Have any info on it? thanks MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Barbie and BT?
Get your very own BT Doll! Hurry while supplies last. http://www.bt-network.org/btdoll.html _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Nurture records
Does anyone have a web address for this New Zealand label (I think they are from NZ)? Thanks MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Re: Nurture records
Nevermind, I just found it. (thanks anyway to anyone who sends me the URL) MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Recent purchase
I just picked up a 12 on R.A.N.D.(United States of Mars) by Red Sparrow who is apparently also known as Lowtec. it's excellent broken beat that will be enjoyed by any fans of C.Craig, Afronaught, Moodyman, Theo Parrish, etc. Very jazzy. I also found Telex's Neurovision used. I was curious if anyone knows about this release. The copy I found has Moskow Diskow on it but every discog I find of theirs lists that song being on their previous record Looking for Saint-Tropez and not on Neurovision. Also, I thought I saw on my copy of Neurovision that the copyright was for 1978 on Sire records but Neurovision is always listed as 1980 copyright. Anyone know what is up with this? MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Salz
Anyone heard of this label? Have any info on it? thanks MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Nurture records
Does anyone have a web address for this New Zealand label (I think they are from NZ)? Thanks MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: we kan never be satisfied
The sellers feedback comment (which there is only one of...h) says this: Praise : Honest New seller! Has secured me 1 copy of Sharevari, Authentic material ! So this is one of those RARE items that everyone is always selling for outrageous amounts of money ;) MEK From: Andy Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Re: we kan never be satisfied Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:55:46 +1200 I was willing to pay well over $500 for this, but still lost it... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1465768387r=0t=0show Tutorial=0ed=1001200421indexURL=0rd=1 Maybe you should try again: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1468818081 Seems somebody's onto a good thing (ie. a box load of sealed Sharevari singles) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] oh the irony
found this on CNN.com - check the last line... Lennon tribute postponed NEW YORK (AP) -- Come Together, a tribute to John Lennon that had been scheduled Thursday at Radio City Music Hall, now is set for October 2. Alanis Morissette, Dave Matthews, Moby and Nelly Furtado are among those scheduled to perform. Kevin Spacey will be the host of the event, which will air live on TNT (8 p.m. ET). The concert was rescheduled because of last week's terrorist attacks, said Steve Koonin, TNT's executive vice president and general manager. The appropriateness of John Lennon's words, message and music is even more timely now, said Ken Ehrlich, whose company is producing this event. New York City identified and shared a mutual love affair with John and Yoko (Ono), and now more than ever, that unbreakable bond grows even stronger in this time of healing. The concert was originally to benefit nonviolent causes, but now also will support relief organizations set up in New York City. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Hate...was false CNN reporting
There may be nothing that the popular MEDIA can say or do but as citizens of the US there is something each and every one of us CAN do. Search out organizations in your area that are supporting local Muslim communities and get active with them. Learn about the Qu'ron (Koran), read it even. Speak out against injustices you see, or even hear about. Get involved with Amnesty International. Write to your community broadcasters, newspapers, politicians, GET F*CKING INVOLVED PEOPLE! If you think this is going to be another Desert Storm, think again. Here's some info on why Afghans have fled their country: http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/countries/afghanistan?OpenViewStart=1Count=30Expandall and this - which takes some time and courage to read completely through http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/afgan/afgtoc.htm What gets me about all this is that there has been little talk about how the Taleban (Taliban) came to power. Can you guess why? Along those lines, there doesn't seem to be any coverage of dissedent voices anywhere and that scares the sh*t out of me. Check this out for an interesting analysis about the lack of criticism of US policy (thanks Sarah!) Noroomfordissentasspiritofflagwavingsweepsthenation.doc peace MEK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brian Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:48:26 -0400 Brian, What do you really expect? The Arab world has their extremists and we have ours. There is NOTHING the media could say to stop these senseless killings from happening. When I hear of a guy throwing a gas bomb into someone's home and hitting a little kid but thankfully not exploding it gets me sick. We all know that there are so many Americans on the edge anyway; they've found an excuse to commit horrible acts. Hopefully it won't get completely out of hand but I'm not very confident in that belief. Peace, Alex Brian Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org .comcc: Subject: RE: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! 09/20/01 03:42 PM um, mincing words means to quibble about precise definitions when the general meaning of the discussion is clear. you're the one who's mincing words. i think you meant to say, don't misuse words, but whether you call it racism, ethnic discrimination, anti-semitism or anything else, the fact remains that all sorts of americans who don't look like johnny whitebread are being harassed, discriminated against and in some cases killed because xenophobic americans, looking to alleviate their feelings of powerless, are lashing out against anyone they think even looks like they could be a terrorist. my south asian boyfriend's a grad student in liberal bastion ann arbor of all places, and he's been getting pointed at in the residence halls, hassled by teen-agers at dairy queen and generally made to feel like he shouldn't be showing his face. this is happening all over the country, and harassment is the least of it. you seem to feel very superior that you know the difference between a race, an ethnic group, etc., but what's your point? does it do a sikh man who's being gunned down at a gas station in arizona any good to argue that not only are arabs caucasians, but that sikhs aren't arabs at all but are south asians? i don't think so. brian dillard -Original Message- From: Jason Kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:21 AM To: gord; David González Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! Let's just clarify one thing here buddy... anti-Muslim or anti-Arab sentiment, as wrong as it is, CAN NOT be equated with Racism. Why, you ask? Because Arabs do not represent a distinct Racial group. Technically they are Caucasian, but ETHNICALLY they are Semitic peoples... the same as Jews! In fact, Jews and Arabs are genetic cousins; there has been scientific research done to this effect. I'm really getting sick of people calling it Racism. What we're talking about is anti-Arab or anti-semitic behavior, not Racism. Don't mince words! -J on 9/20/01 6:05 PM, gord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't going to post anything to this list about this topic (since it really isn't the forum for it), but this is a great point. Much of the mainstream media has been putting a very racist spin on this and has created a dangerous situation. I have heard personally from one Islamic man living here who has received a number of death threats. I also know that there are a lot of Palestinians living in North America who are scared to walk the streets for fear of racist backlash. The analogy I always like to draw for people is if Timothy McVeigh had bombed a building in Iraq,
Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already!
You can also look at how Palestinian's are treated by the Israeli government to see why there are militant Islamic groups! In addition, we supported bin Laden during the Afghan war against the USSR. We gave him support from the CIA, and the military. Then we looked the other way as the Taleban took control of Afghanistan... they did this with the arms we gave them during the Afghan-Soviet war. I will supply the resources to back this up if you want. peace MEK From: Erin Swenson-Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:23:16 -0700 From the Quraan: Surah Al-Ma'idah (Chapter 5) 51. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust). America has always declared itself a Christian Nation, and has supplied Israel, a Hebrew Nation with countless military aid. You can do the math and figure out why militant Islamic groups don't like us. erin - Original Message - From: Brian Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! um, mincing words means to quibble about precise definitions when the general meaning of the discussion is clear. you're the one who's mincing words. i think you meant to say, don't misuse words, but whether you call it racism, ethnic discrimination, anti-semitism or anything else, the fact remains that all sorts of americans who don't look like johnny whitebread are being harassed, discriminated against and in some cases killed because xenophobic americans, looking to alleviate their feelings of powerless, are lashing out against anyone they think even looks like they could be a terrorist. my south asian boyfriend's a grad student in liberal bastion ann arbor of all places, and he's been getting pointed at in the residence halls, hassled by teen-agers at dairy queen and generally made to feel like he shouldn't be showing his face. this is happening all over the country, and harassment is the least of it. you seem to feel very superior that you know the difference between a race, an ethnic group, etc., but what's your point? does it do a sikh man who's being gunned down at a gas station in arizona any good to argue that not only are arabs caucasians, but that sikhs aren't arabs at all but are south asians? i don't think so. brian dillard -Original Message- From: Jason Kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:21 AM To: gord; David González Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Enough with the False CNN Coverage ting, already! Let's just clarify one thing here buddy... anti-Muslim or anti-Arab sentiment, as wrong as it is, CAN NOT be equated with Racism. Why, you ask? Because Arabs do not represent a distinct Racial group. Technically they are Caucasian, but ETHNICALLY they are Semitic peoples... the same as Jews! In fact, Jews and Arabs are genetic cousins; there has been scientific research done to this effect. I'm really getting sick of people calling it Racism. What we're talking about is anti-Arab or anti-semitic behavior, not Racism. Don't mince words! -J on 9/20/01 6:05 PM, gord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't going to post anything to this list about this topic (since it really isn't the forum for it), but this is a great point. Much of the mainstream media has been putting a very racist spin on this and has created a dangerous situation. I have heard personally from one Islamic man living here who has received a number of death threats. I also know that there are a lot of Palestinians living in North America who are scared to walk the streets for fear of racist backlash. The analogy I always like to draw for people is if Timothy McVeigh had bombed a building in Iraq, would you feel it was right for the people of Iraq to blame the entire United States for it and want to retaliate against us? Would you, as a fellow American, feel any connection at all to his actions? I'm sure this is how the majority of Palestinian people feel at the point. For the media to show that footage and imply that it represents the feelings of all Palestinians is atrocious. g On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 12:24 PM, David González wrote: ok, maybe you're right, but as far as I know, in those images all you can see is about 5 kids, a woman and two adults celebrating (about 9 or 10 people). That's all the celebration? is that all the footage CNN could get? Why are this images said to be celebration of the palestinians, for me it is a celebration of 10 palestiniansd, most of them kids... I think that is also
Re: [313] Please Elaborate Was DJ Magda
Boom Boom Satellites opening for Moby... while Moby ran most of his music off DAT and his backing band kinda just played along, the Satellites were as tight and funky as the JBs, rocked it like Motorhead, and with a big beefy drummer who can keep up with the drum machine...it was mighty impressive. Punkrocktechnobreaks! MEK From: Joel Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Please Elaborate Was DJ Magda Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:28:59 -0500 I'd like to turn this thread into an openining DJ who played better than the headliner thread:-) BTW, whose Eric Haupt? Ciao. Richie would like, but won't play the same records that Richie plays in a night. At the same time, she won't really show Richie up either. Anybody remember Eric Haupt? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] re: doomsday
Yes, G. That is exactly what it's about. The Palestinians live in poverty...deep deep dep poverty, and what bin Laden and the Taliban tells them is that they will live in unimaginable wealth (in the afterlife) if they die for the cause. Remove the poverty and oppression and you remove the motivation for them to join bin Laden and other violent groups. We, as citizens of the U.S. need to tell the Bush administration and all others to come after his that we cannot support the Israeli government's oppressive policy, nor our own, anymore. Otherwise, if we don't, WTC is just the beginning of more to come...and I think the terrorism will get more deadly. We have two options, but only one solution. I can resend the link to various Middle East groups working toward this if anyone missed it the first time. Just email me in private. MEK From: Glyph1001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] re: doomsday Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:06:49 -0400 Hmmm, I don't know if it's a battle between different religions but it is definitely a problem with the Israelis settlements in Arab lands. I think our government ought to work harder with these governments to reach an peace agreement and get those settlements out because frankly, they're causing the trouble. Its getting to the point where the Arabs have nothing to lose and are not afraid to die. They will use their lives as weapons as opposed to guns because they find their way of life unbarable and that is scary with Tuesday being a prime example. We need a resolution... Peace, G. Rod Andres Alvarez wrote: anyone think these events might be the start of the war between christianity and islam?. I mean i can't get past all the symbols and double meanings in Revelations, but many people are saying this. otherwise, 313 live on Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] WTC - once more
So, the real way to get bin Laden and the Taliban is to help the Palestinians. To help remove poverty in the Middle East (and all over the world). Bread not Bombs. And when I say bread I mean both money and food! We need to do this and do it NOW. MEK From: Markus Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] WTC - once more Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Some insight and info: FWD I find this extremely important. Out of this horror, the American people need to learn many things. But they still have such a small world view, they understand so little about what happened. Most of the country really believes Bush that we were attacked because they don't like our way of life, our freedom, our propesperity. - felix.crucial Tamim is an Afghani-American writer. He is also one of the most brilliant people I know in this life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I listen. Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we are in. -Gary T. Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread: I've been hearing a lot of talk about bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do? Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we have the belly to do what must be done. And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing. I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters. But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think the people of Afghanistan think the Jews in the concentration camps. It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country. Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt,incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food.There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban. We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that. New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time. So what else is there? What can be done,then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of having the belly to do what needs to be done they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world
Re: [313] Photographs
Yeah, I don't need pictures anymore to see it. I can just close my eyes. MEK From: Jeffrey Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pryor, Ryan N [EMAIL PROTECTED], '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Photographs Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:11:58 -0400 At 03:20 AM 9/14/2001, Pryor, Ryan N wrote: http://wewt.net/omfg/ Cause it's not on every single news website and radio station and tv station and will continue to be for 24/7 for the next 3 days, and hasn't been since tuesday. blah. -j Jeffrey Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] (877) 748 3467 ICQ: 14295546 AIM: kw34hd1 NXTL/DC: 130*21*16749 PGP: 0xF50BB9D7 A21AFD828C30EC77545DA0B3F501F50BB9D7 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] www.indymedia.org
Please please please go to this site and find some hint of truth among the static. I am deathly afraid of this chess game because it's the U.S. government's turn now. I've been watching the t.v. like most other people across the nation and I am shaken to the core by what I hear from our so-called leaders. Everyone keeps saying let's get back to business as usual but isn't that exactly what has gotten us to this point? MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] WTC - Nostrodamas prediction
Apparently he also wrote in a coded language that was based in the religious order he belonged to so literal translations of any of his predictions are impossible to be accurate. But getting back to the crisis... Red Cross needs money now, they are turning people away from giving blood and asking for donors to give later because this is going to be a lng process. MEK From: T.J.Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] WTC - Nostrodamas prediction Date: 13 Sep 2001 05:25:16 -0700 I agree with Hans. Nost's predisctions are so damn vague that this could be talking about anything. I really doubt that his original writing said the word York. I'm sure that that is someone interpretation. And, finally, I'm sure that no 2 interpretations are the same, so people are basically getting all worked up over someone elses opinion on wht Nostradamus meant. One more thing. Nost made thousands of so-called predictions and most of them are dead wrong. If your chances of winning the lottery are 1,000,000:1 and you buy 1,000,000 tickets, don't you think that one of them would be a winner? My point is, that it may just be pure chance that Nost is VAGUELY correct on some of his predictions when he makes so many (books full) of them... On Thu, 13 September 2001, Hans Veneman wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 12:59:05PM +0100, Stewart Caig wrote: Thought some of you might be interested in reading this prediction from Nostrodamus.Pretty freaky! What i find freaky is that so many people are willing to believe that this text was written in the middle ages, while it was written 5 years ago by a Canadian high school student as part of a Critical Analysis of Nostradamus. http://fury.com/article/925.php Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://technotourist.org http://www.TV-99-AD.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TJ www.wireframerecords.com www.outrecords.com PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] more alt news
Here are some more alternative sources for news and below the surface information (forgive me if I've sent any of these already): http://www.inthesetimes.com/web2521/breaking2521.html http://www.thenation.com/thebeat/ http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/ the print on this links page is pretty damn small but I didn't make it so find what you can.This is by far one of the best resources for info about and for communities/people from the Middle East including both Jews and Muslims. http://www.nimn.org/resources/links.html below is a copied content of the pages listed in the above link: Addameer (conscience) Prisoners Support and Human Rights Association is a Palestinian non-governmental, civil institution which focuses on human rights issues. Al-Awda The Palestine Right of Return Coalition. Al-Haq The West Bank affiliate of the Geneva-based The International Commission of Jurists (ICJ), is a Palestinian human rights organization which was founded in 1979 by Palestinian lawyers concerned with the protection and promotion of the principles of human rights and the rule of law. Ali Abunimah's Bitter Pill Uncovering media myths about the Middle East. Al Mezan Center for Human Rights A Palestinian NGO based in Jabalia Refugee Camp in the heart of the Gaza Strip working for the protection of the rights of the Palestinian and the democratization of society. Alternative Information Center A tremendous source of current information. AMIN Arab Media Internet Network AMPAL Americans Palestinians for Peace Ariga Carries mostly reports from various organizations concerned about the violence in this intersection of three continents. ARIJ Applied Research Institute Jerusalem Association of Forty An association taking care of 40 Arab villages unrecognized by Israel. Bat-Shalom A feminist center for peace and social justice. BeliefNet The Conflict in the Middle-East section of this faith-based site. B'tselem B'tselem is an Israeli organization concerned with the abuse of Palestinian human rights in the occupied territories. Center for Ecomomic and Social Rights Challenges economic injustice as a violation of international human rights law. CAABU Council for the Advancement of Arab-British Understanding CPT Christian Peace Team Cyber Palestine The Nation of Palestine in Cyberspace, containing information regarding 418 ruined Palestinian communities. Foundation for Middle East Peace (FMEP), contains important information concerning settlements. Gush Shalom A non-partisan grass roots movement, composed of Jews and ArabsIndependents as well as members of political parties and other organizationswhose aim is to influence public opinion. Ha'aretz The English edition of the Israeli daily newspaper. Hanthala Palestine A resource for countering myth, distortion and spin from the Israeli media war machine. Health Development Information and Policy Institute An independent, non-profit organization established in 1989 by a group of experienced researchers and health practitioners committed to improving the status of health care for all Palestinians. Human Rights Watch report on unlawful use of force in Israel and Occupied Territories. See press releases here. Independent Media Center (Israel) The Israeli component of the Independent Media cooperative project. Institute for Palestine Studies (IPS) Founded in Beirut in 1963, the IPS is an independent, nonprofit research and publication center, not affiliated with any political organization or government. IPS promotes research, analysis, and documentation on the Arab-Israeli conflict and its peaceful resolution. Intifada On Line A Europe-Based Palestinian site supporting the intifada. ittijah Union of Arab Community Based Associations Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs An offical site of the government of Israel. Jerusalemites An Amman-based non-governmental organization geared to educating, and exposing the human dimension of the Palestinian people and their attachment to their land; past and present. Jewish-Palestinian Discussion Group An online discussion group. Jews for Justice in the Middle East A group of Jews who have published a very useful and eye-opening pamphlet entitled The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict. Now in its third edition, this text explodes many of the myths promoted by the Israeli government and mainstream Jewish organizations in the United States. Jews for Racial and Economic Justice (JFREJ) Founded in May 1990 by a group of communal leaders, rabbis, educators, writers, and activists, dismayed by the increasing level of racial and ethnic tension, violence, and economic disparities in New York City, and by the lack of progressive responses from the Jewish community. Jewish Peace Fellowship A Jewish voice in the peace community and a peace voice in the Jewish community. Land Research Center (LRC) A Jerusalem-based center to protect the
Re: [313] OT Resource Crisis
That sounds like how we should live every day of our lives... MEK From: Vince Woolums [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] OT Resource Crisis Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:12:42 -0500 hi. briefly - please do not add to the fervor of gas, food and sundries shortages. false demand will create a shortage of supply, in this case. walk, bike, or use mass transit. buy only what you need most, not everything that you want. conserve electricity. donate blood and plasma. pray for the world. vince - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Love from the Sun CD
I sure you're all glued to the news as I am but we still need a bit of shelter for our souls and music is a great source for this. I just got this on Ubiquity records... Love from the Sun It's warm deep house from As One (Kirk Degiorgio), Beatless, Interfearence, E.W. Wainright, Greyboy, Loqate, and John Beltran. It became available on Sept 4th. Check it out. It's good...and no, I don't work for Ubiquity. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Words to consider regarding recent events
I needed to hear/read something other than the rhetoric on t.v. and in the mainstream press. This is something I found that I think every U.S. citizen should consider because I am afraid of what the U.S. government and military's response will be and what affect that will have... well for what it's worth, here's the article: http://www.thenation.com/thebeat/ Mario Cuomo's reasoned response: This is not like Pearl Harbor September 12 @ 1:27pm COLUMN WASHINGTON -- I have not seen with my own eyes the wreckage of the World Trade Center in New York, but I have seen the damage to the Pentagon. And I can say with certainty that television does not begin to provide a full sense of the devastation. This is a horrific moment in American history, and it is a moment that has not ended. As I write, firefighters battle flames that continue to claim portions of the Pentagon, and that continue to produce clouds of smoke that can be seen from locations throughout Washington. In such a circumstance, hyperbole becomes commonplace. At its most extreme, the current hyperbole has taken the form of comparisons of this crisis with the Pearl Harbor attack of December 7, 1941. The comparisons say less about the reality of what has occurred than they do about the lack of credible reference points. Yet, as newspaper headlines echo Franklin Delano Roosevents language of 1941 (Infamy! declares the front page of today's Washington Times newspaper) and as politicians recall the pre-orld War II rhetoric (This is not a time to bring people to justice, this is a time to wage war, U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., told the Senate), reasonable analysis is hard to come by. All the more of a blessing, then, is the wisdom of Mario Cuomo. The former governor of New York has been speaking necessary truths in the aftermath of Tuesdays terrorist attack on his hometown of New York City, counseling against the rush to rhetorical excess that has become such a common characteristic of contemporary tragedy. People analogize to Pearl Harbor, Cuomo said, his voice filled with disapproval. This is not like Pearl Harbor because with Pearl Harbor we knew the enemy. There was no question on December 7, 1941, that the attack had been launched by a foreign government, Japan. And there was no question, as Roosevelt's immediate action in response to the attack illustrated, that America knew precisely where to direct its anger. We could say, 'Here we go,' explained Cuomo. Today, argues the veteran lawyer and commentator on ethical issues, we have no such certainty. Perhaps there is a connection to Saudi fugitive Osama bin Laden, who previously was linked to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, Cuomo said. Perhaps that connection will be established firmly at some point in the near future. When it is, Cuomo continued, there will be a place for action. But at this point the connection has not been made, he explained, and the danger of leaping to certain judgements and the even more certain actions that follow upon them, is too great. Cuomo warned that, to succumb to the desire for a satisfying but not necessarily just or effective retribution is, itself, un-American. Rather than make this moment out as a Pearl Harbor sixty years on, Cuomo says, Americas leaders need to rededicate themselves not only to identifying those responsible for the current terrorism but also to determining why terrorism seems to have become so commonplace. Developing realistic anti-terrorist responses is a matter of will, Cuomo says, and that will has been in short supply. We haven't done it. Why? We didn't choose to, Cuomo said, referring to the failure of the U.S. government to counter terrorist threats by addressing an array of concerns -- from airport security to energy conservation. In addition to responding to the horrific tragedy of this moment, Cuomo said ,America must move to counter the ongoing quiet tragedies of poverty, inadequate health care and other unmet basic needs around the world. That response to human need, Cuomo says, is a vital tool in any realistic struggle against terrorism, since denial and disenfranchisement can breed terrorism. Ultimately, Cuomo is arguing, America must move beyond simplistic responses to a wiser, more realistic approach to terrorism. And that means, in particular, that the United States must avoid any rush to limit the basic rights of citizens. There are allowances you can give government without losing your vital freedoms, argued Cuomo, who said it is wholly possible to increase security -- with somewhat longer delays at airports and other shifts in routine -- while protecting Constitutional rights. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL
Re: [313] Virus warning!
Yup, it's going to Hotmail accounts as well...delete delete delete From: Mark Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Virus warning! Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:19:27 +0100 (BST) Hello all I have just received another variation of that last virus, I believe it is doing the rounds with all the Yahoo accounts. Not sure about other email clients. The message is nearly the same as last time, the attachment is Southpark the sender is Lucas. Cheers Mark Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Adult. in Glasgow
Just a heads up to anyone in Glasgow on the 7th of November - Adult. are going to be playing at the 13th Note. Maybe we'll see you there? MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Fwd: Re: Letter to the Editor
Get this guy... this is a response to my letter to SanFrancisco magazine about their house music is a British export thing. He wants an official website! Anyone want to take this one? MEK From: Devon Beddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M Elliot-Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Letter to the Editor Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:33:40 -0700 Dear Michael, Thanks for the quick response! If I could trouble you once more, is there an official website that you may know of which can confirm that House music is a product of America? Thanks, Devon *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Devon E. Beddard San Francisco magazine 243 Vallejo St. San Francisco, CA 94111 415.398.2800, ext. 216 415.398.6777 (fax) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Recommendations please
Actually Denver McCarthy is a nice combo between deep house, ambient, and melodic techno. Strata is releasing some nice music. MEK From: Jan Claeyssens [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Recommendations please Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:13:40 +0200 Also check out the STRATA label, especially the 2 Harry the Bastard compilations, and the forthcoming album of Love From San Fransisco (Charles Webster, yummie...) But I guess this is more or less deephouse instead of Techno... JayCee -Original Message- From: M Elliot-Knight [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:Re: [313] Recommendations please Aubrey's releases on Ferox and just about anything on that label will satisfy, Ian O'Brien, John Tejada, Russ Gabriel (He is the Man is a fantastic EP), Out of the Loop Recordings does nice deep house/soulful techno with a nice jazz edge MEK From: nathan goode [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Recommendations please Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 17:13:59 +0930 Hi again Need some help, I've been a bit disappointed with the techno i've heard lately and thus have gotten more into deep house. so, can anyone give me any recommendations on good techno tracks/artists to look out for? i'm talking in the style of octave one, RNG, the more soulful stuff, not the harder stuff. or should i just keep buying older stuff from around '88 - '97, cos nothing much has caught my attention lately. thanks nath np - the other people place (on the warp site) - very nice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Live shows: Todd Sines
Yeah Todd's set was very cool and the visual accompaniment was a soothing relief from the Bacardi logos. Anyone know what software he uses for his visual editing? Also, if anyone knows of other visual/video artists doing similar work I'd be interested in knowing about them. MEK From: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Live shows Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:15:33 -0500 I'll see you on these and up the ante with a Todd Sines @ DEMF 2001. jeff : Tristan and a couple of others have mentioned live sets that also impressed me: Kooky Scientist at DEMF 2001 Bill Van Loo at DEMF 2000 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] More Todd Sines
Taking a waltz through the internet I found this Some sounds from Todd Sines if you're jonzin' for it http://www.scalestudio.com/sound/ making my Friday just that much better MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] More Todd Sines
Since the festival this year was my first intro to Todd's art I am interested to know if these tracks were released on vinyl? The piece labeled I Can't from the below site is quite good. MEK From: miss lauryn g [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] More Todd Sines Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:45:22 -0500 (EST) Some sounds from Todd Sines if you're jonzin' for it http://www.scalestudio.com/sound/ yes..that was the site i was talking about...i couldn't remember it off the top of my head...:P very good. love havin music to listen to pre-furthur drive...maybe i can burn a cd to listen to on the way. oh i love my job sometimes. heheheh. :) lauryn. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Another journalistic hack
Though not directly related to Detroit I thought I'd share this because of the link to the recent comments by Stacey Pullen in XLR8R... San Francisco magazine September issue Pulse of the City by Sheerly Avni (page 89) The Boomboom Room (with apologies to the late John Lee Hooker) House music is a British export and was the dominant music of the Bay Area's early '90s rave scene. It's bar far the most popular electronic dance music in San Francisco. On any given night, you can usually find a small club where they are spinning music that is darker and heavier than house, such as drum 'n' bass, edgy techno, but on that same night, you can choose from among at least ten venues spinning house music. I've never like house. Happy, up-tempo rhythms, video-game bleeps - it's disco at its worst. Every time I hear it I think, Oh, they're playing that song again, the one that goes thump thump thump really fast. But if rap and arock are too familiar now, house could be the answer - so subversive, so new, that my conservative ears can only hear it as noise. Maybe house is the new rock 'n' roll - Brando with Glo Sticks She later talks to Paul Kantner (formerly of Jefferson Airplane) of all people about today's dance culture. This is how the conversation goes: I tell him about the people I've met so far who describe today's dance scene in the same way I've heard old hippies talk about community in the '60s. It's different now. Why? I ask. There's drugs, there's music, there's sex. They don't have as good drugs. Sex is always good. But most of what they're taking is the equivalent of horse tranquilizer. Which can make you pleasant, but it doesn't let you see God. In the '60s, we spoke to God on a regular basis, and he spoke back to us in many interesting ways. I make a mental note to check with my new clubbing friends: find out if they've ever seen God on the dance floor. Can a DJ build the same energy with a crowd as a band? I ask. He could if there was a real community, but there isn't. It's just people coming together to dance. They're not coming to experience the universe. She then goes on to write about Liquid after telling her friend in confidence that she wouldn't. She's a hack and a lousy friend. Sorry, I had to get that out of my system and yes I wrote to the editor. Did any of you West Coast 313ers see this article? MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Scotland
Looks like my wife and I will be jetting off to Scotland in November. We most likely will be staying with relatives in Edinburgh and Glasgow. If anyone has knowledge of good techno or deep house clubs there along with any other things I should know (veggie restaurants, cool clothing shops, your favorite haunts, places to see and not to miss, etc.) please hit me back privately. Thanks MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] madonna
Yeah Bjork! Going to get her new album today...anyone know if it's on vinyl and are rmxs planned? MEK From: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] madonna Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:46:57 -0400 At 8:36 AM -0400 8/28/01, Sean Deason wrote: since we're on the unlikely subject of Madonna; I like the last 2 albums very much. in fact the Ray of Light album would make a great William Orbit album if Madonna would just stop singing all over the music :^) but it annoys me that since she *so* electronica and techno-y these days she hasn't acknowledged the Detroit roots of electronica or even tapped one of the numerous Detroit artists to do a remix. Have none of her handlers ever mentioned to her that her alleged hometown had a *huge* role in the creation of the music style she's ripping off these days? I think that with her influence, she could do a lot for the local techno scene by just acknowledging it. I think she's missed her chance ... in my opinion, the only good electronica cut she's had was Bedtime Story, which was written by Bjork anyway ... :) -d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Juan Atkins @ Sweet in Minneapolis
Juan was...well he wasn't there. Last night went to see him and both him and Danny the Wildchild never showed up leaving the line-up just Paul Johnson and Mazi. However, after Mazi's dive into progressive house I couldn't wait around any longer. Juan is now two for two in doing no-shows in Minneapolis. Anyone other Minneapolis list members attend this Sweet? At least Alexander East played some nice tunes for my wife and I and the First Avenue club staff... the place was empty. No support for the local DJs and no show from Juan. Bad night. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno?
Well, I didn't write the below statement but I know that the Clash worked with Lee Perry and if you listen to Stiff Little Fingers you'd have to say they were most certainly influenced by reggae. But then I'm talking about UK punk bands because US punk was a throw back to blues and rockabilly. Before the hardcore punk came along that is. MEK From: M. Todd Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:52:05 -0400 Somebody wrote: ~~ Well, Back in the day Detroit had a largish punk scene. One of punks primary influences was Jamaican reggae dubb. Just had to bring it all back full circle. ~~ Do you have any evidence of this? Can you support this claim? Are you Iggy Pop? The only influence Dub and Reggae may have had on punk is the message they tried to get across. Ska was directly influenced by the rhythms and sounds of Dub and Reggae as is apparent in the music, however Ska-punk cross pollination really didn't happen until about '88 when Operation Ivy hit the scene. Unless you consider The Specials and The English Beat 'punk', I'd really like to know where you got this idea. Cheers todd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno?
I'd say that Jamacians did have a major influence, not just with dub though. Look at turntablism and New York's hip-hop/electro scene, in particular one DJ Kool Herc (born in Kingston, Jamaica). He brought in the idea of sampling and breakbeats. Without him might hardcore and drum bass never been realized? Techno is like a dandelion...the roots go deep, just pull on them and see if you get the whole thing. That's my new motto by the way.;) MEK From: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 05:50:17 -0400 It really does not apply in this situation. we are talking Detroit 85-91, and it doesnt show in the music. The roots of that stuff is Kraftwerk/Prince/Italio/New Wave/Electro. Yeah, you cannot deny the influence the Jamaicans had in general on music, but their music did not become a major influence on Techno until like 92-93, and then primarily in Europe. Jamaica by way of Europe definitely influenced Detroit, but not until after the first wave had already run its course. When is BMG going to throw down a 5 page dance music essay and school us like it was 96 again? Take care, mt i think the early dub pioneers such as lee perry, king tubby, augustus pablo deserve a mention and would be closer to techno than prince/hendrix/wonder. these guys were using basic studio technology with advanced mixing ideas. adding echo and reverb effects to create some mind blowing soundscapes all usually recorded innovatley on 4-track tape/desk. then the early techno ppl were also doing a similar thing using old drum machines and sythns and bedroom studios in a new way. both used the mixing desk as an instrument. the similarities are all there to this day in the techno of many artists, the basic channel stuff is in a way revisting the dub of old. -Original Message- From: laura gavoor [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 6:39 PM To:313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? I think if you were to ask some of the source innovators, both American and Euro alike, Jimi Hendrix's name would arise more often than Prince's. While Prince was a huge influence, Jimi built the world's most innovative recording studio, Electric Ladyland Studios, in 1968 (I think) and up until very recently...it remained one of THE most innovative recording studios because of his obsession with recording and performing technology as THE means to get down on tape the sounds he had in his head. Secondarily and perhaps without most artists even realizing this fact would be Stevie Wonder. His obsession with electronic keyboards evolved into the very first 'do everything yourself' recording studio back in the 70's. I recall Stevie talking about how and why he records most every track in a song he's composing all by himself. Pretty much the same reason as Jimi's that he knew what sound(s) he wanted and was often frustrated in trying to communicate it to an engineer or musician in order to obtain it. He felt that with the age of the synthesizer a songwriter/composer had the ability to personalize their music and sound unlike anything that had come before...even though the same notes in a scale were present...they had never before sound like THAT. Moreover, the personal studio he developed back then gave him the luxury of recording the moment he was inspired to do so...at any hour of the day. Stevie, like Jimi, innovated a lot of gear to suit his needs, and because he was Stevie Wonder, a living genius, the keyboard companies bent over backwards to accommodate him. Don't forget that Songs in the Key of Life is considered by artists and industry alike to be one of the most brilliant pieces of popular music ever put out in one project. If VH-1 ever re-runs that (dunno the name of it) special one hour program just about that particular album...I highly recommend its viewing. The musicians interviewed, from Miles Davis to Mick Jagger, were awed by the quality of the sound on that LP and explain in far greater detail why it marked a turning point in recording history. THEN came George ClintonTHEN came Prince. humbly offered.. From: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:34:12 -0400 Well? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
[313] thanks
thanks to all who replied to my test post...it took until this morning for my posts to land in my own mailbox. curious. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Common Factor does Glasgow
This is the website. I listen to it every week. Keeps me happy and healthy. http://theplayground.com/static_music/index.html MEK From: John Sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Common Factor does Glasgow Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:02:54 -0500 I believe Mr. Donnelly is referring to the now cancelled 'Detroit Technology' radio show on 89x in Detroit. The show ran for a few months during the summer of '99 I believe. The show was put on by Carl Craig and included mixes by CC, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Kenny Larkin, Agent X, and list member Bill Van Loo among others. Some of the mixes were archived on a website, but I cannot remember which one. Cheers, John From: Brian Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Jason Donnelly' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Common Factor does Glasgow Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:49:59 -0700 what Detroit Technology mix? is this a cd? something online? details, please brian -Original Message- From: Jason Donnelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 8:14 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Common Factor does Glasgow hello all Common Factor will be playing at Alaska in Glasgow on Fri 7th Sept. (All fully confirmed etc..) New nite run by local boy Lawrence Hughes. If its anything like his Detroit Technology mix, should be a topper! jason - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno?
Regarding Stevie Wonder, if you ever get a chance to hear anything by Tonto's Expanding Head Band, give it a go. They were responsible for Wonder's keyboards and even developed the Stevietron, so I've been told. They're own music is serisouly f*cked up electronic music that would be best listened to with copious amounts of herb smoking. MEK From: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:38:54 I think if you were to ask some of the source innovators, both American and Euro alike, Jimi Hendrix's name would arise more often than Prince's. While Prince was a huge influence, Jimi built the world's most innovative recording studio, Electric Ladyland Studios, in 1968 (I think) and up until very recently...it remained one of THE most innovative recording studios because of his obsession with recording and performing technology as THE means to get down on tape the sounds he had in his head. Secondarily and perhaps without most artists even realizing this fact would be Stevie Wonder. His obsession with electronic keyboards evolved into the very first 'do everything yourself' recording studio back in the 70's. I recall Stevie talking about how and why he records most every track in a song he's composing all by himself. Pretty much the same reason as Jimi's that he knew what sound(s) he wanted and was often frustrated in trying to communicate it to an engineer or musician in order to obtain it. He felt that with the age of the synthesizer a songwriter/composer had the ability to personalize their music and sound unlike anything that had come before...even though the same notes in a scale were present...they had never before sound like THAT. Moreover, the personal studio he developed back then gave him the luxury of recording the moment he was inspired to do so...at any hour of the day. Stevie, like Jimi, innovated a lot of gear to suit his needs, and because he was Stevie Wonder, a living genius, the keyboard companies bent over backwards to accommodate him. Don't forget that Songs in the Key of Life is considered by artists and industry alike to be one of the most brilliant pieces of popular music ever put out in one project. If VH-1 ever re-runs that (dunno the name of it) special one hour program just about that particular album...I highly recommend its viewing. The musicians interviewed, from Miles Davis to Mick Jagger, were awed by the quality of the sound on that LP and explain in far greater detail why it marked a turning point in recording history. THEN came George ClintonTHEN came Prince. humbly offered.. From: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:34:12 -0400 Well? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno?
check this from AMG's website about Tonto's Expanding Head Band: http://www.allmusicguide.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amgsql=Bw78e4jo70waw~C Most importantly, Cecil and Margouleff began a long association with Stevie Wonder, whose Music of My Mind, recorded when he was 21 and just beginning a new Motown contract that gave him full control over his music, benefited from Cecil and Margouleff's work. Their influence on the subsequent course of black American music is often missed where Wonder led the charge, others followed suit, changing the way the music was produced, the way albums were formulated, and the overall sound. Many of the leading jazz/RB artists of the 1970s and early '80s called on the talents of Cecil and Margouleff, including the Isley Brothers, Gil Scott-Heron, the Crusaders, the Gap Band, Quincy Jones, David Sanborn, Wilson Pickett, and the Rippingtons. T.O.N.T.O. was retired during the 1980s and was purchased by Devo's Mark Mothersbaugh. Though it doesn't prove that Tonto were Stevie Wonder's support men it does shed some light on my belief that Mark Mothersbaugh probably has one of the largest collections of electronic toys ever assembled. :) MEK From: Giles Dickerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], M Elliot-Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:55:34 -0400 That sounds like expanded hear-say, Stevie had an Arp and Moog which were programmed by synth guys from the respective companies. They may have helped for an album or a recording but I can't agree with them being his go to guys, not necessarily true. D I G I T A S // B O S T O N -- Giles Dickerson Art Director 800 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02199 -- mobile 617 899 9635 office 617 369 8601 -- From: M Elliot-Knight Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:54 PM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc:313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? Regarding Stevie Wonder, if you ever get a chance to hear anything by Tonto's Expanding Head Band, give it a go. They were responsible for Wonder's keyboards and even developed the Stevietron, so I've been told. They're own music is serisouly f*cked up electronic music that would be best listened to with copious amounts of herb smoking. MEK From: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:38:54 I think if you were to ask some of the source innovators, both American and Euro alike, Jimi Hendrix's name would arise more often than Prince's. While Prince was a huge influence, Jimi built the world's most innovative recording studio, Electric Ladyland Studios, in 1968 (I think) and up until very recently...it remained one of THE most innovative recording studios because of his obsession with recording and performing technology as THE means to get down on tape the sounds he had in his head. Secondarily and perhaps without most artists even realizing this fact would be Stevie Wonder. His obsession with electronic keyboards evolved into the very first 'do everything yourself' recording studio back in the 70's. I recall Stevie talking about how and why he records most every track in a song he's composing all by himself. Pretty much the same reason as Jimi's that he knew what sound(s) he wanted and was often frustrated in trying to communicate it to an engineer or musician in order to obtain it. He felt that with the age of the synthesizer a songwriter/composer had the ability to personalize their music and sound unlike anything that had come before...even though the same notes in a scale were present...they had never before sound like THAT. Moreover, the personal studio he developed back then gave him the luxury of recording the moment he was inspired to do so...at any hour of the day. Stevie, like Jimi, innovated a lot of gear to suit his needs, and because he was Stevie Wonder, a living genius, the keyboard companies bent over backwards to accommodate him. Don't forget that Songs in the Key of Life is considered by artists and industry alike to be one of the most brilliant pieces of popular music ever put out in one project. If VH-1 ever re-runs that (dunno the name of it) special one hour program just about that particular album...I highly recommend its viewing. The musicians interviewed, from Miles Davis to Mick Jagger, were awed by the quality of the sound on that LP and explain in far greater detail why it marked a turning point in recording history. THEN came George ClintonTHEN came Prince. humbly offered.. From: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Is Prince the root of all Techno? Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:34:12 -0400 Well? _ Get your FREE
[313] Where to go in Atlanta
I have a friend who is going to be spending a good amount of time in Atlanta and Savannah. He leaves on Friday and is looking for good music down there. He's into Detroit style techno/electro, hip-hop, and drumbass, and jazz. Can someone hit me back (off list) with info and or websites that he can go to to check the goings on? Thanks MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Atlanta
Don't know if this went through or not but... a friend of mine is going to Atlanta and Savannah GA for several weeks and is looking for good music: Detroit techno, electro, hip-hop, jazz, breaks , DB, etc. Anyone familiar with these southern locals? Thanks MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] test...ignore
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[313] test
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[313] test...ain't nuthin getting thru?
Test dagnabit! Hello? Can you read this? please emil me back if this has gotten trough. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] End to end, new label?
Anyone know about this? I picked up EE001 yesterday. Mike Grant did the production. On side is dark minimal techno/house with some sample of a guy saying something about Welcome to DC prison and how you are a number and so forth and then ends with another sample of someone talking about getting out of prison...like I said it's very dark. Like going through a long tunnel and then finally seeing light on the other end. The other side I haven't listened to close enough to describe the two tracks. I looked for info on the label and it said that it was a division of Big 50 Entertainment? It is a Detroit label, that I know. MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT)
Currently there are way too many hands in the pot for vinyl to disappear from DJ use...first of all it's part of our culture and I doubt that DJs will let it die. Technology is cool but we are hunters...we love the smell of a record store and our radar can pick one out miles away. Which brings me to the record stores themselves - they are our friends and they have supported our dirty habits for years. Then there is the network of mastering techs, engineers, pressing plants, distributors, record labels, etc. Vinyl ain't going away no matter what technologies come along. Plus, for every bad record there are a hundred bad MP3s, and I'm talking utter poo. At least pressing vinyl requires a bit more dedication to each pressing. I'd say that the majority of people who press up a record for the first time probably won't do it again because it requires more sweat and tears (and money) than they are willing to put into it. FinalScratch is a great tool but it's not the FinalAnswer. MEK From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:02:56 -0500 Have any of you ever released a record, though? There's something so visceral about it that uplading an MP3 to a website can't replace. When I make a track and upload it to my site, that's cool. When I master it, send it off to have it cut and get back a test pressing, there's just something amazing about it. When you press vinyl, you get a real feeling of acomplishment- you feel like you actually produced something real. It's like having a craftsman type job versus working in a service industry. In the same way, there's something much more rewarding about finding Shari Vari in the cut-out bin at a store than there is about downloading it from some 16 year-old's FTP site. And on top of that there is the fact that MP3s have no real packaging. Sure, it's a bull-shit, old-school elitist attitude, but it does have some validity to it. About two years ago, I would've been sitting here arguing for MP3s and the digital revolution, but there's just something that's not the same about it. I also find it ironic that one of the biggest supporters of Finalscratch is also one of the strictest about the form of his releases... Richie is a nut about being in control of his stuff (anybody remember the incident with Free Radio Furthur recording his set?) so it seems kind of amusing that he would support something like this. -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com/ | 877.741.3571 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Essential Jeff Mills?
Uh..what city do you live in, what is the name of the store and what are its hours? Give me a couple of minutes and I'll be there. ;) Actually, if they are in a used bin make sure you get the opportunity to listen to them before you buy them. If someone was dumping a large selection of Mills stuff it might be well worn/used. If there is not listening station check the grooves carefully. MEK From: Joe Szczepanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Essential Jeff Mills? Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:29:38 -0400 I'm a beginner, I know. Anyways... I recently came across quite a large selection of Jeff Mills releases in a used bin, and only being aware of his mixing, I was unsure of what to buy. All the records are going for under $4, which is cool, but I was hoping somebody could give me some direction on what to purchase with my limited cash. So in other words, are there any essential Jeff Mills releases I should be aware of? Thanks! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT)
Wait wiat wait...wow many people currently have FinalScratch? Richie and John? How fast can N2it produce this product for the global demand that we are all foreseeing? I think there are a lot of obstacles in the way of FinalScratch making a detrimental impact for quite a while. MEK From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:32:42 + finalscratch may force independant label's and artist to think, work, or promote differently. who knows what kind of products can be created to compliment or expand finalscratch too. should be an exciting time for djs. many of the points you made were total valid, and i agree on them. HOWEVER, you forgot something very important: we're talking about an issue here that even the big Records label, with their virtually unlimited cashflow, have been unable to nic; digital distribution. Now, mp3's certainly didn't spell the doom of big record labels yet (hell, i think they profited off of suing everyone). But it did take a chunk of change out of their profit. At that point in time, i could care less: Big labels didn't play with the boys that i like (except for the grand pubahs, but i can care less about them). Big record labels need to go away, but little ones need to stay. And THAT'S why i fear this for the little records labels: if a small portion of their profit margin goes, they could easily sink under. Yeah, vinyl sales aren't going to tube out, but they will go down quite a bit, at least at first. and considering how much it costs to put out vinyl, you're going to see a lot less vinyl out there. You're going to see vinyl from people who are able to put out a couple hundred copies MAYBE at a time, and will only be able to distribute that locally. I'm very excited and horrified to see what is going to happen to music as a whole in the next 5 years. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT)
Plus I'd wager that Richie's last tour, the one where he used FinalScratch so much, was boring was because FinalScratch till can't be used and abused the way a record can. Tt took him more time to find a MP3 track than it would if it was on vinyl in his bo, so it works best with tracky drum loops. MP3 you have to recoginze by name but records you can identify with other visual cues (color, symbols, etc.)) which are much faster for your brain to process. Could you see Jeff Mills drop a MP3 track and then accidently take the FinalScratch record off the deck and throw onto the floor behind him...or into a bin with tons of other scratched up records? OOOPS! That's a final scratch if there ever was one. MEK From: M. Todd Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:28:21 -0400 Jayson, Your forgetting another large point, not only must every DJ spend a large chunk of money on records and equipment already, but in order to utilize final scratch you have to have a mid ranged laptop, the software and the hardware. To many DJ's adding another $2000-3000 to the already large equipment list will probably deter most local and small time DJ's getting into something like this. It will be a long time before Final Scratch becomes the norm for a party or a club. FS' audience is limited to high paid DJ's and tech headz. Record labels don't really make money off large name DJ's (since most get a bunch of stuff on promo), and tech headz are probably already using Traktor to mix mp3's. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch (maybe OT) and if it's dollars that techno label people are worried about, there are other ways to make money in this world. if they're smart enough to tie their shoes or walk and chew gum at the same time, they'll carry on. i don't see it affecting them adversely though... but if it does, the music is more important than the inconvenience to them, and new music's why they're there to begin with. except those people who's LIVES are those record labels need to put food on the table ryan. It may be about the music, but there are people out there who put their entire being into this music, and that includes time they could be spending at another job making more money. THEY need to be compensated. I sure as hell wouldn't expect them to sit in poverty working on music just so i can say how purist they are. Last time i checked ryan, you still have a job. Why don't you quit your job and put the risk that these guys have put in? maybe then your tune will change on that subject. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] FinalScratch my back
Anyone else dig the Soiree label? I just picked up the Colours EP and now I'm looking for more. Great house moozik. http://www.soireerecords.com/index.htm MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: 313 Digest 13 Aug 2001 18:35:10 -0000 Issue 765
Hear hear! I think that track is fantastic...a nice change of pace from Hood's usual productions (which are great as well). Although I think my pressing is kind of bad... toward the end of the live version the needle jumps the groove every time. MEK From: Simon Walley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Re: 313 Digest 13 Aug 2001 18:35:10 - Issue 765 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:53:51 From: Jonny McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some new 313 stuff 2. Robert Hood Invincible (US M-Plant M-P321) - Rob Hood returns to form after that awful Chic cut up thing a couple of months back. That track is a real Marmite track - you either love it or you hate it :) I think its top - the live track is so rough which is great as Hoods material is always so clean and well produced. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.warmdata.net/ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New mixcd by Juan Atkins
Yes. It's on OM and it's very good. Housier with only a smidgen of Detroit tracks...Model 500 I wanna be there to start thngs off with. Isolee's Beau Mont Plage gets drop into the set for a split second (and I mean a quick in and out). Other stuff on there: Afrohead, Fred Everything, Hatrias, LA Williams, Good Guys, The Controllers... It's a solid CD and I think it will also be on 2LPs. MEK From: John Osselaer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] New mixcd by Juan Atkins Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:52:23 +0200 Apparently Juan Atkins is coming out with a new mixcd. Has anybody some more info on this? John _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Richie Hawtin tour diary?
Anyone know what has become of this or if he ever did it? It was supposed to be on the +8 website but the page come up blank. This is where it's supposed to be http://plus8.com/tour/diary/index.html MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Richie Hawtin tour diary?
Anyone know what has become of this or if he ever did it? It was supposed to be on the +8 website but the page come up blank. This is where it's supposed to be http://plus8.com/tour/diary/index.html MEK _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Richie Hawtin tour diary....Nevermind.
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[313] Pictures from Ascension w/Bone Stoll
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[313] Bone played this tune..help ID?
Just got back from DJ Bone/Steve Stoll/8fatfat8 show (Minneapolis). Short review...8fatfat8 were great for the time I heard them (about 20minutes), playing deep funky house grooves. If you ever get a chance to see them do so. The short amount of music I heard from them was fantastic. Steve Stoll was Steve Stoll...I've had my share of DJs spinning this kind of hard techno and I swear that I have a tape with either Heiko Laux or Sven Vath that has practically all the same tunes he played. Thumping but not really inspiring. DJ Bone put me back at DEMF. Dropped a handful or two of Detroit classics (Good Life Carl Craig Remix, Jaguar, Paperclip People, and more but I'm forgetting everything right now...a bit tired) and satisfying selection of electro mixed in. One track that he played had a vocal that went (paraphrasing) get up get up get upsit your ass back down. Very funky sh*t...it had some serious bump to it. Anyone know this tune? Thanks. MEK PS the venue was excellent...old brick theatre that looks decrepid but in reality is functioning, with the stage converted to a dance floor. All the stage lighting system was utilized and their were performers up in the arches. If I find photos somewhere I will fwd them to the list. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Bone played this tune..help ID?
I think it might have been DJ Rush? It sort of sounded like his voice but I couldn't tell for sure. Still, if anyone knows for sure... MEK From: M Elliot-Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Bone played this tune..help ID? Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 09:02:02 + Just got back from DJ Bone/Steve Stoll/8fatfat8 show (Minneapolis). Short review...8fatfat8 were great for the time I heard them (about 20minutes), playing deep funky house grooves. If you ever get a chance to see them do so. The short amount of music I heard from them was fantastic. Steve Stoll was Steve Stoll...I've had my share of DJs spinning this kind of hard techno and I swear that I have a tape with either Heiko Laux or Sven Vath that has practically all the same tunes he played. Thumping but not really inspiring. DJ Bone put me back at DEMF. Dropped a handful or two of Detroit classics (Good Life Carl Craig Remix, Jaguar, Paperclip People, and more but I'm forgetting everything right now...a bit tired) and satisfying selection of electro mixed in. One track that he played had a vocal that went (paraphrasing) get up get up get upsit your ass back down. Very funky sh*t...it had some serious bump to it. Anyone know this tune? Thanks. MEK PS the venue was excellent...old brick theatre that looks decrepid but in reality is functioning, with the stage converted to a dance floor. All the stage lighting system was utilized and their were performers up in the arches. If I find photos somewhere I will fwd them to the list. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
