RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule
... My brother is more the sound technologist but, I do know enough to know that what that guy said is mostly tosh - to use an English expression. You can prove it yourself by listening to Stevie Wonder's 'The Secret Life of Plants' ... that's a record which is over 20 years old. Listen to the 'last' track - sorry the title escapes me right now. (There are four sides but side A is not backed with B etc, so it's not certain what's 'first', 'last' etc.) The disco 'synthy' one which I'm sure thousands have wanted to sample/remix etc ... That is a hi-tech funk track. There's no other term for it. It's also pretty weird. With off-the-wall-effects. My copy was not new. I don't know how many people have had it before me. It sounds used, true, but not to the point of spoiling my listening pleasure ... oh, and it doesn't jump. -Original Message- From: Alexandres Lugo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:35 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Subject: RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule The technology for making records has not changed since the 50's. Digital production techniques are making it difficult to maintain fidelity when transferring to vinyl. People are not making tracks that will sound good on records anymore. I was fortunate enough to hear about a 2 hour discourse (almost a rant ;) about the subject from our nameless masterer. I think he may have a valid point. He feels that a lot of digital production techniques (stereo expanding to the point of no return, certain wacky effects, we know what they are, etc.) sound great when listening to it digitally on our computers and CD's. We have to understand that there is much more room to play in the digital domain. Not so in records. Again, these are all his thoughts. I won't go so far as to say that this may have caused the mastering problems, maybe the equipment is antiquated, I don't know. I'm just trying to give perspective from the horse's mouth by proxy. I think he has been pretty frustrated as of late and he did go on and on about a project he was working on that he could not tone down enough to keep the needle from doing its own dance on wax. No idea who he was talking about, I pretty much let him vent :) My favorite quote in the 2 hours: People like Mike Banks know how to produce a track to sound good on a record. Classic. Peace, Alex www.fulcruminn.net -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Scheduled That company has a lot of history in the D and a lot of friends ... but despite that I doubt they've ever really made a great deal of money so they still more or less master today as they've always done ... It all comes down to (someone) needing to put their money where there mouth is, rather than merely waxing lyrical (excuse the pun) about Detroit and it's excellent, highly-credible and sincere mastering company (which has pioneered at least one feature on vinyl, which I've never seen anywhere else before) and doing nothing to stop it sliding into oblivion. -Original Message- From: Frank Zappa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:27 AM To: Mike Taylor; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule yea, i have heard that most peoples promos have some sort of technical problemlot of them skip . my brothers copy does some strange stuff in the middle of the ADULT mix, it like cuts out and has this real frazzled out sounding part.i on the other hand lucked out completly my copy playes GREAT no problems no skips. and yes i totally agree with you, the STRAND mix is so good! can't wait to hear the gigolo mix. Michael Mitchell www.renegaderhythms.com --- Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am glad to say that I got promo's of this from Keith awhile back. Definitely a release to keep an eye out for. I think the best track on there is the Strand Remix, but then again Mike Grant's Mix took it into a totally unexpected deep house direction, and as usual, Adult can do no wrong. I can vouch for Keith's mastering problems as well. I put three loonies and all the tone arm weight on the A and C sides and the needle would still not track. He is not the only guy in town who has been having problems with an un-named mastering company. It is a shame, because it is definitely a worthy release and it should have seen the light of day sooner. Take care, Mike From: Frank Zappa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:34:54 -0800 (PST) well i know its going to be a bit for the record , but i got a copy from a friend for x-mas i think it will be worth the waitthere are so many good mixes on this re-mixi think my favorite is the scan 7 mixthe adult mixmarty bonds mixectomorph and of course mike grants
RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule
Ken Odeluga: That company has a lot of history in the D and a lot of friends ... but despite that I doubt they've ever really made a great deal of money so they still more or less master today as they've always done ... It all comes down to (someone) needing to put their money where there mouth is, rather than merely waxing lyrical (excuse the pun) about Detroit and it's excellent, highly-credible and sincere mastering company (which has pioneered at least one feature on vinyl, which I've never seen anywhere else before) and doing nothing to stop it sliding into oblivion. Labels not putting their money where their mouths are? That's not fair to the labels that do have their masters cut there instead of having it done at the pressing plant itself (most pressing plants offer this option). If a master is cut, but when pressed doesn't sound right or skips or whatever, the pressing plant has every right to bill the label for the copies of the test run and the cutting of the mother and the metal stampers. Depending on the pressing plant, this is US$200-$300. So when the master is re-cut, you're facing these costs again for the next test run. If you have the masters cut at the pressing plant itself (which is usually not the same quality you get from a specialized cutting house), you don't run the risk of these extra costs because you pay for the package of cutting and pressing. For a small label, extra fixed costs of $200-$300 mean that you can basically banish any thought of breaking even (if you had those in the first place) before you've sold a single record. There's only so many times you can do that. For the record: I've had all my releases so far mastered there and although I've been through the process described above, the quality of the cutting IMO has been worth it. Otto Ground Zero / Keynote Records - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule
Point taken Otto. I have to admit, my comments are as a (somewhat) educated amatuer, whilst you and others here are obviously professionals, so you can discount what I say to an extent. Nevertheless, what I was trying to hint at more strongly than suggesting that local artists ought to listen to their conscience and use the local mastering talent first (of course many DO) ... more that it is clear that the infrastructure (such as it is - and by that, I mean equipment, technology, technique, etc - even premises) IS still pretty backward. And I say that with the affection and respect which I have for all things to do with D ... There is clearly a problem if UR releases themselves are coming back with glitches ... can't blame inexperienced writers and producers in THAT case ... Clearly the company is doing reasonably well. Investment could near-eliminate these embarrassing and perplexing problems ... A little pain today, a big gain tomorrow. -Original Message- From: Otto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:06 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule Ken Odeluga: That company has a lot of history in the D and a lot of friends ... but despite that I doubt they've ever really made a great deal of money so they still more or less master today as they've always done ... It all comes down to (someone) needing to put their money where there mouth is, rather than merely waxing lyrical (excuse the pun) about Detroit and it's excellent, highly-credible and sincere mastering company (which has pioneered at least one feature on vinyl, which I've never seen anywhere else before) and doing nothing to stop it sliding into oblivion. Labels not putting their money where their mouths are? That's not fair to the labels that do have their masters cut there instead of having it done at the pressing plant itself (most pressing plants offer this option). If a master is cut, but when pressed doesn't sound right or skips or whatever, the pressing plant has every right to bill the label for the copies of the test run and the cutting of the mother and the metal stampers. Depending on the pressing plant, this is US$200-$300. So when the master is re-cut, you're facing these costs again for the next test run. If you have the masters cut at the pressing plant itself (which is usually not the same quality you get from a specialized cutting house), you don't run the risk of these extra costs because you pay for the package of cutting and pressing. For a small label, extra fixed costs of $200-$300 mean that you can basically banish any thought of breaking even (if you had those in the first place) before you've sold a single record. There's only so many times you can do that. For the record: I've had all my releases so far mastered there and although I've been through the process described above, the quality of the cutting IMO has been worth it. Otto Ground Zero / Keynote Records - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kent, I appreciate you taking the time to explain this in laymen's terms. I've heard people try to explain it before, but now I get the point. I hope to eventually produce and release some worthwhile songs/tracks, and on vinyl no less. So I appreciate the lesson. -geoff ps i dig the stone city ep From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alexandres Lugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:12:05 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Alexandres Lugo wrote: The technology for making records has not changed since the 50's. Digital production techniques are making it difficult to maintain fidelity when transferring to vinyl. People are not making tracks that will sound good on records anymore. I was fortunate enough to hear about a 2 hour discourse (almost a rant ;) about the subject from our nameless masterer. I think he may have a valid point. All you have to do to make it sound good on vinyl is this: 1. No out of phase frequencies below 200hz. Basically, keep your bass mono and panned center. You can check for this if you listen to your track in mono -- if the bass gets phasey or fades in and out, you're doing it wrong. This is the main cause of record skip, as out of phase bass will result in a shallow groove at an extreme of the left to right travel of the needle. 2. Don't overdo high frequences -- above 16khz. While vinyl records can reproduces frequencies in excess of 20khz, if they are too loud relative to other frequencies, they tax the ability of the cutting head to move far enough fast enough. 3. Don't go over 12 1/2 minutes per side for a fixed-pitch lathe, and roughly 14 minutes for a variable pitch lathe. Once you go past those time limits the track pitch gets smaller and you literally cut at half volume. 4. It's helpful to make your tracks mono-compatible, which means to go easy on stereo expansion, stereo flange, etc. Listen to your tracks in mono and make sure they don't sound weird. Vinyl has a lot more channel cross talk than digital audio, and really out of phase material will sound fluttery and hollow due to partial phase cancellation. A lot of producers don't bother to learn these basics which aren't rocket science. The biggest problem is the high-frequency overload, which I think comes from people being half deaf from too many loud nights in the club. I know that Keith and the other people working on the Shari Vari project know how to produce tracks that will sound good on vinyl, so I don't think that they are the problem here. My favorite quote in the 2 hours: People like Mike Banks know how to produce a track to sound good on a record. Sure. Because Mike Banks is a good producer, period. He makes tracks with an even overall use of the sound spectrum, and he avoids the pitfalls listed above. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well i know its going to be a bit for the record , but i got a copy from a friend for x-mas i think it will be worth the waitthere are so many good mixes on this re-mixi think my favorite is the scan 7 mixthe adult mixmarty bonds mixectomorph and of course mike grants mix, but all are very nicedetroit did it again in my opinion.we just brought scan 7 to perform live out here in portland oregon recently and i was hoping he would play it live , but he did'nt ...anyway for those who have not heard it yet run out and buy it right away.. GREAT RE-MIXES OF A GREAT RECORD!!! keep em coming detroit michael mitchell www.renegaderhythms.com --- Puzzlebox Records [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone we at Puzzlebox would like to first wish everyone a great New year. And much success for 2002 Shari Vari 20002 Remixes and Original mix release has unfourtanetly been held up do to Mastering Problems. We regret the set back but we are moving ahead with a mid feb release date. We NOW KNOW HOW OTHER LABELS FEEL like Southern Outpost, Twilight 76, and Moods and Grooves. Its a shame you pay good money for so callled proffesional work from a certain mastering company and you get this sort of thing happening far to much . Needlesss to say we feel loyal to this company but because of so many eras we at puzzzlebox are on a mission for 20002 and are moving on to a new mastering company. pEACE look out for the Giggolo remix also in feb. For Distribution info go to www.optic-universe.com Puzzlebox Records - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, I am glad to say that I got promo's of this from Keith awhile back. Definitely a release to keep an eye out for. I think the best track on there is the Strand Remix, but then again Mike Grant's Mix took it into a totally unexpected deep house direction, and as usual, Adult can do no wrong. I can vouch for Keith's mastering problems as well. I put three loonies and all the tone arm weight on the A and C sides and the needle would still not track. He is not the only guy in town who has been having problems with an un-named mastering company. It is a shame, because it is definitely a worthy release and it should have seen the light of day sooner. Take care, Mike From: Frank Zappa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:34:54 -0800 (PST) well i know its going to be a bit for the record , but i got a copy from a friend for x-mas i think it will be worth the waitthere are so many good mixes on this re-mixi think my favorite is the scan 7 mixthe adult mixmarty bonds mixectomorph and of course mike grants mix, but all are very nicedetroit did it again in my opinion.we just brought scan 7 to perform live out here in portland oregon recently and i was hoping he would play it live , but he did'nt ...anyway for those who have not heard it yet run out and buy it right away.. GREAT RE-MIXES OF A GREAT RECORD!!! keep em coming detroit michael mitchell www.renegaderhythms.com --- Puzzlebox Records [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone we at Puzzlebox would like to first wish everyone a great New year. And much success for 2002 Shari Vari 20002 Remixes and Original mix release has unfourtanetly been held up do to Mastering Problems. We regret the set back but we are moving ahead with a mid feb release date. We NOW KNOW HOW OTHER LABELS FEEL like Southern Outpost, Twilight 76, and Moods and Grooves. Its a shame you pay good money for so callled proffesional work from a certain mastering company and you get this sort of thing happening far to much . Needlesss to say we feel loyal to this company but because of so many eras we at puzzzlebox are on a mission for 20002 and are moving on to a new mastering company. pEACE look out for the Giggolo remix also in feb. For Distribution info go to www.optic-universe.com Puzzlebox Records - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yea, i have heard that most peoples promos have some sort of technical problemlot of them skip . my brothers copy does some strange stuff in the middle of the ADULT mix, it like cuts out and has this real frazzled out sounding part.i on the other hand lucked out completly my copy playes GREAT no problems no skips. and yes i totally agree with you, the STRAND mix is so good! can't wait to hear the gigolo mix. Michael Mitchell www.renegaderhythms.com --- Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am glad to say that I got promo's of this from Keith awhile back. Definitely a release to keep an eye out for. I think the best track on there is the Strand Remix, but then again Mike Grant's Mix took it into a totally unexpected deep house direction, and as usual, Adult can do no wrong. I can vouch for Keith's mastering problems as well. I put three loonies and all the tone arm weight on the A and C sides and the needle would still not track. He is not the only guy in town who has been having problems with an un-named mastering company. It is a shame, because it is definitely a worthy release and it should have seen the light of day sooner. Take care, Mike From: Frank Zappa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:34:54 -0800 (PST) well i know its going to be a bit for the record , but i got a copy from a friend for x-mas i think it will be worth the waitthere are so many good mixes on this re-mixi think my favorite is the scan 7 mixthe adult mixmarty bonds mixectomorph and of course mike grants mix, but all are very nicedetroit did it again in my opinion.we just brought scan 7 to perform live out here in portland oregon recently and i was hoping he would play it live , but he did'nt ...anyway for those who have not heard it yet run out and buy it right away.. GREAT RE-MIXES OF A GREAT RECORD!!! keep em coming detroit michael mitchell www.renegaderhythms.com --- Puzzlebox Records [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone we at Puzzlebox would like to first wish everyone a great New year. And much success for 2002 Shari Vari 20002 Remixes and Original mix release has unfourtanetly been held up do to Mastering Problems. We regret the set back but we are moving ahead with a mid feb release date. We NOW KNOW HOW OTHER LABELS FEEL like Southern Outpost, Twilight 76, and Moods and Grooves. Its a shame you pay good money for so callled proffesional work from a certain mastering company and you get this sort of thing happening far to much . Needlesss to say we feel loyal to this company but because of so many eras we at puzzzlebox are on a mission for 20002 and are moving on to a new mastering company. pEACE look out for the Giggolo remix also in feb. For Distribution info go to www.optic-universe.com Puzzlebox Records - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well for the new years weekend we (Renegade Rhythms) brought out Mike Grant and Scan 7 they played on the 29th and the 31stthe first gig was in a small club with about 150-200 people me and one of our other dj's warmed the party up , mike grant played like an hour of mellower stuff then lou played live for a little over an hour .. after that mike grant finished it up with a nice techno set.the gig on the 31st was a private invite only house party which took place in a basement.my brother opened it up with some nice techno then lou played for like 30-40 minutes he was having some technical problems , i think it was his midi cablesthen mike grant finished up with a AMAZING 5 1/2 hour set starting with some harder techno, ending with DEEP grooves . i really was amazed with lou he was non stop assault when i saw him in detroit he played with like 5 guys , it was just him this time DIRTY ASS RAW DETROIT TECHNO...i loved it. but i must say that mike grants 5 1/2 hour set was just AMAZINGit just kept going and going , never losing his groove. i am not lying 5 1/2 hours and not a dull moment , i just love his style. it was one of the best new years in awhile for me .. here in portland we like DETROIT HISTORY OVER DETROIT HYPE and we got it.as always much love for the D Michael Mitchell www.renegaderhythms.com --- Patrick Wacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Michael, Just wanted to get more info on the Scan 7 gig you put on. How did Lou go? Peace, Patrick - Southern Outpost - Sydney, Australia -Original Message- From: Frank Zappa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:27 PM To: Mike Taylor; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule yea, i have heard that most peoples promos have some sort of technical problemlot of them skip . my brothers copy does some strange stuff in the middle of the ADULT mix, it like cuts out and has this real frazzled out sounding part.i on the other hand lucked out completly my copy playes GREAT no problems no skips. and yes i totally agree with you, the STRAND mix is so good! can't wait to hear the gigolo mix. Michael Mitchell www.renegaderhythms.com --- Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am glad to say that I got promo's of this from Keith awhile back. Definitely a release to keep an eye out for. I think the best track on there is the Strand Remix, but then again Mike Grant's Mix took it into a totally unexpected deep house direction, and as usual, Adult can do no wrong. I can vouch for Keith's mastering problems as well. I put three loonies and all the tone arm weight on the A and C sides and the needle would still not track. He is not the only guy in town who has been having problems with an un-named mastering company. It is a shame, because it is definitely a worthy release and it should have seen the light of day sooner. Take care, Mike From: Frank Zappa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:34:54 -0800 (PST) well i know its going to be a bit for the record , but i got a copy from a friend for x-mas i think it will be worth the waitthere are so many good mixes on this re-mixi think my favorite is the scan 7 mixthe adult mixmarty bonds mixectomorph and of course mike grants mix, but all are very nicedetroit did it again in my opinion.we just brought scan 7 to perform live out here in portland oregon recently and i was hoping he would play it live , but he did'nt ...anyway for those who have not heard it yet run out and buy it right away.. GREAT RE-MIXES OF A GREAT RECORD!!! keep em coming detroit michael mitchell www.renegaderhythms.com --- Puzzlebox Records [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone we at Puzzlebox would like to first wish everyone a great New year. And much success for 2002 Shari Vari 20002 Remixes and Original mix release has unfourtanetly been held up do to Mastering Problems. We regret the set back but we are moving ahead with a mid feb release date. We NOW KNOW HOW OTHER LABELS FEEL like Southern Outpost, Twilight 76, and Moods and Grooves. Its a shame you pay good money for so callled proffesional work from a certain mastering company and you get this sort of thing happening far to much . Needlesss to say we feel loyal to this company but because of so many eras we at puzzzlebox are on a mission for 20002 and are moving on to a new mastering company. pEACE look out for the Giggolo remix also in feb. For Distribution info go to www.optic-universe.com Puzzlebox Records
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That company has a lot of history in the D and a lot of friends ... but despite that I doubt they've ever really made a great deal of money so they still more or less master today as they've always done ... It all comes down to (someone) needing to put their money where there mouth is, rather than merely waxing lyrical (excuse the pun) about Detroit and it's excellent, highly-credible and sincere mastering company (which has pioneered at least one feature on vinyl, which I've never seen anywhere else before) and doing nothing to stop it sliding into oblivion. -Original Message- From: Frank Zappa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:27 AM To: Mike Taylor; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule yea, i have heard that most peoples promos have some sort of technical problemlot of them skip . my brothers copy does some strange stuff in the middle of the ADULT mix, it like cuts out and has this real frazzled out sounding part.i on the other hand lucked out completly my copy playes GREAT no problems no skips. and yes i totally agree with you, the STRAND mix is so good! can't wait to hear the gigolo mix. Michael Mitchell www.renegaderhythms.com --- Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am glad to say that I got promo's of this from Keith awhile back. Definitely a release to keep an eye out for. I think the best track on there is the Strand Remix, but then again Mike Grant's Mix took it into a totally unexpected deep house direction, and as usual, Adult can do no wrong. I can vouch for Keith's mastering problems as well. I put three loonies and all the tone arm weight on the A and C sides and the needle would still not track. He is not the only guy in town who has been having problems with an un-named mastering company. It is a shame, because it is definitely a worthy release and it should have seen the light of day sooner. Take care, Mike From: Frank Zappa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:34:54 -0800 (PST) well i know its going to be a bit for the record , but i got a copy from a friend for x-mas i think it will be worth the waitthere are so many good mixes on this re-mixi think my favorite is the scan 7 mixthe adult mixmarty bonds mixectomorph and of course mike grants mix, but all are very nicedetroit did it again in my opinion.we just brought scan 7 to perform live out here in portland oregon recently and i was hoping he would play it live , but he did'nt ...anyway for those who have not heard it yet run out and buy it right away.. GREAT RE-MIXES OF A GREAT RECORD!!! keep em coming detroit michael mitchell www.renegaderhythms.com --- Puzzlebox Records [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone we at Puzzlebox would like to first wish everyone a great New year. And much success for 2002 Shari Vari 20002 Remixes and Original mix release has unfourtanetly been held up do to Mastering Problems. We regret the set back but we are moving ahead with a mid feb release date. We NOW KNOW HOW OTHER LABELS FEEL like Southern Outpost, Twilight 76, and Moods and Grooves. Its a shame you pay good money for so callled proffesional work from a certain mastering company and you get this sort of thing happening far to much . Needlesss to say we feel loyal to this company but because of so many eras we at puzzzlebox are on a mission for 20002 and are moving on to a new mastering company. pEACE look out for the Giggolo remix also in feb. For Distribution info go to www.optic-universe.com Puzzlebox Records - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That company has a lot of history in the D and a lot of friends ... but despite that I doubt they've ever really made a great deal of money so they still more or less master today as they've always done ... It all comes down to (someone) needing to put their money where there mouth is, rather than merely waxing lyrical (excuse the pun) about Detroit and it's excellent, highly-credible and sincere mastering company (which has pioneered at least one feature on vinyl, which I've never seen anywhere else before) doesn't this spell out who it is? :) robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Don't know what you're talking about mate! -Original Message- From: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 1:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule That company has a lot of history in the D and a lot of friends ... but despite that I doubt they've ever really made a great deal of money so they still more or less master today as they've always done ... It all comes down to (someone) needing to put their money where there mouth is, rather than merely waxing lyrical (excuse the pun) about Detroit and it's excellent, highly-credible and sincere mastering company (which has pioneered at least one feature on vinyl, which I've never seen anywhere else before) doesn't this spell out who it is? :) robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, robin pinning wrote: That company has a lot of history in the D and a lot of friends ... Yes, and I think that everyone is reluctant to name names out of respect for the company's place in Detroit history. Out of that smae deference I won't say any more here, but if you know the whole story it's heartbreaking. doesn't this spell out who it is? :) For those who know it does, and for everyone else it doesn't matter. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule
The technology for making records has not changed since the 50's. Digital production techniques are making it difficult to maintain fidelity when transferring to vinyl. People are not making tracks that will sound good on records anymore. I was fortunate enough to hear about a 2 hour discourse (almost a rant ;) about the subject from our nameless masterer. I think he may have a valid point. He feels that a lot of digital production techniques (stereo expanding to the point of no return, certain wacky effects, we know what they are, etc.) sound great when listening to it digitally on our computers and CD's. We have to understand that there is much more room to play in the digital domain. Not so in records. Again, these are all his thoughts. I won't go so far as to say that this may have caused the mastering problems, maybe the equipment is antiquated, I don't know. I'm just trying to give perspective from the horse's mouth by proxy. I think he has been pretty frustrated as of late and he did go on and on about a project he was working on that he could not tone down enough to keep the needle from doing its own dance on wax. No idea who he was talking about, I pretty much let him vent :) My favorite quote in the 2 hours: People like Mike Banks know how to produce a track to sound good on a record. Classic. Peace, Alex www.fulcruminn.net Peace, Alex www.fulcruminn.net -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule Don't know what you're talking about mate! -Original Message- From: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 1:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule That company has a lot of history in the D and a lot of friends ... but despite that I doubt they've ever really made a great deal of money so they still more or less master today as they've always done ... It all comes down to (someone) needing to put their money where there mouth is, rather than merely waxing lyrical (excuse the pun) about Detroit and it's excellent, highly-credible and sincere mastering company (which has pioneered at least one feature on vinyl, which I've never seen anywhere else before) doesn't this spell out who it is? :) robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Alexandres Lugo wrote: The technology for making records has not changed since the 50's. Digital production techniques are making it difficult to maintain fidelity when transferring to vinyl. People are not making tracks that will sound good on records anymore. I was fortunate enough to hear about a 2 hour discourse (almost a rant ;) about the subject from our nameless masterer. I think he may have a valid point. All you have to do to make it sound good on vinyl is this: 1. No out of phase frequencies below 200hz. Basically, keep your bass mono and panned center. You can check for this if you listen to your track in mono -- if the bass gets phasey or fades in and out, you're doing it wrong. This is the main cause of record skip, as out of phase bass will result in a shallow groove at an extreme of the left to right travel of the needle. 2. Don't overdo high frequences -- above 16khz. While vinyl records can reproduces frequencies in excess of 20khz, if they are too loud relative to other frequencies, they tax the ability of the cutting head to move far enough fast enough. 3. Don't go over 12 1/2 minutes per side for a fixed-pitch lathe, and roughly 14 minutes for a variable pitch lathe. Once you go past those time limits the track pitch gets smaller and you literally cut at half volume. 4. It's helpful to make your tracks mono-compatible, which means to go easy on stereo expansion, stereo flange, etc. Listen to your tracks in mono and make sure they don't sound weird. Vinyl has a lot more channel cross talk than digital audio, and really out of phase material will sound fluttery and hollow due to partial phase cancellation. A lot of producers don't bother to learn these basics which aren't rocket science. The biggest problem is the high-frequency overload, which I think comes from people being half deaf from too many loud nights in the club. I know that Keith and the other people working on the Shari Vari project know how to produce tracks that will sound good on vinyl, so I don't think that they are the problem here. My favorite quote in the 2 hours: People like Mike Banks know how to produce a track to sound good on a record. Sure. Because Mike Banks is a good producer, period. He makes tracks with an even overall use of the sound spectrum, and he avoids the pitfalls listed above. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule
Agreed on all points. Like I said, I really didn't think that it was a production problem. Good breakdown on all the major things to look out for. Props. Peace, Alex www.fulcruminn.net -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:12 PM To: Alexandres Lugo Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Alexandres Lugo wrote: The technology for making records has not changed since the 50's. Digital production techniques are making it difficult to maintain fidelity when transferring to vinyl. People are not making tracks that will sound good on records anymore. I was fortunate enough to hear about a 2 hour discourse (almost a rant ;) about the subject from our nameless masterer. I think he may have a valid point. All you have to do to make it sound good on vinyl is this: 1. No out of phase frequencies below 200hz. Basically, keep your bass mono and panned center. You can check for this if you listen to your track in mono -- if the bass gets phasey or fades in and out, you're doing it wrong. This is the main cause of record skip, as out of phase bass will result in a shallow groove at an extreme of the left to right travel of the needle. 2. Don't overdo high frequences -- above 16khz. While vinyl records can reproduces frequencies in excess of 20khz, if they are too loud relative to other frequencies, they tax the ability of the cutting head to move far enough fast enough. 3. Don't go over 12 1/2 minutes per side for a fixed-pitch lathe, and roughly 14 minutes for a variable pitch lathe. Once you go past those time limits the track pitch gets smaller and you literally cut at half volume. 4. It's helpful to make your tracks mono-compatible, which means to go easy on stereo expansion, stereo flange, etc. Listen to your tracks in mono and make sure they don't sound weird. Vinyl has a lot more channel cross talk than digital audio, and really out of phase material will sound fluttery and hollow due to partial phase cancellation. A lot of producers don't bother to learn these basics which aren't rocket science. The biggest problem is the high-frequency overload, which I think comes from people being half deaf from too many loud nights in the club. I know that Keith and the other people working on the Shari Vari project know how to produce tracks that will sound good on vinyl, so I don't think that they are the problem here. My favorite quote in the 2 hours: People like Mike Banks know how to produce a track to sound good on a record. Sure. Because Mike Banks is a good producer, period. He makes tracks with an even overall use of the sound spectrum, and he avoids the pitfalls listed above. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule
20002?! Now THAT's thinking ahead of the game! ;) MEK Puzzlebox RecordsTo: 313 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: itech.net Subject: [313] Shari Vari Release Schedule 01/10/02 10:33 AM Hello everyone we at Puzzlebox would like to first wish everyone a great New year. And much success for 2002 Shari Vari 20002 Remixes and Original mix release has unfourtanetly been held up do to Mastering Problems. We regret the set back but we are moving ahead with a mid feb release date. We NOW KNOW HOW OTHER LABELS FEEL like Southern Outpost, Twilight 76, and Moods and Grooves. Its a shame you pay good money for so callled proffesional work from a certain mastering company and you get this sort of thing happening far to much . Needlesss to say we feel loyal to this company but because of so many eras we at puzzzlebox are on a mission for 20002 and are moving on to a new mastering company. pEACE look out for the Giggolo remix also in feb. For Distribution info go to www.optic-universe.com Puzzlebox Records - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
