Re: Shared Object - NOT!
I prefer to explain it this way: when you pass a New object or New collection to a method (subroutine), that object or collection is shared between the 2 methods, caller and callee, because they are running in the same process. if you execute $1.foo:="bar" in the callee, the object from the caller is also updated, because they are in fact referenced to the same object. if you do the same across processes, i.e. pass a New object or New collection to New process, CALL WORKER or CALL FORM, the object or collection is not shared between the 2 methods, caller and callee, because they are not running in the same process. the best way to share an object or collection between processes is to pass a shared object or shared collection as a parameter. there is no need to use Storage, there is no need to use interprocess variables. you just create a shared object or shared collection, and pass it as an argument to another process or worker. the received object is not a copy, it is a shared reference to the same shared object. Storage is not mandatory, if you always pass shared objects using parameters, which is good practice, according the law of Demeter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Demeter the reason why Storage often pops up in the context of interprocess variables, is because we recognise that in many applications, interprocess variables are casually references all over the place. it is provided as a last resort, a global shared object to which you can attach all your shared objects so that you can access them from anywhere in your code, without using parameters. > 2018/10/21 13:11、lists via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール: > > In order to share an object between processes without using an interprocess > variable, you must use the "Storage" container/catalog. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
RE: Shared Object - NOT!
Hi Pat, In order to share an object between processes without using an interprocess variable, you must use the "Storage" container/catalog. In your startup: Use(Storage) Storage.TriggerState:= New shared object End use Later in your subsequent code, you assign the contents: $MyTrigger:= Storage.TriggerState Use($MyTrigger) $ MyTrigger.processnumber:=$state End use Lahav -Original Message- From: 4D_Tech <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com> On Behalf Of Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:51 AM To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> Cc: Pat Bensky Subject: Re: Shared Object - NOT! That's how the example in the docs is. I've tried it with a process variable - same problem. Pat On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 15:52, Paul Lovejoy via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > How could it be shared between processes with a name starting with $? > > > > Paul > > > On 20 Oct 2018, at 15:50, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech > > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > > > Well I guess I must be doing something wrong :) Using v17r3: > > > > In the Startup method I create a new Shared Object: > > > > *C_OBJECT*($objTriggerState) // 20/10/18 > > > > $objTriggerState:=*New shared object*() > > > > > > Subsequently I want to add something to that object. > > > > > > $State:="on" > > > > *Use* ($objTriggerState) > > > > processnumber:=*String*(*Current process*) > > > > $objTriggerState.processnumber:=$State > > > > *End use* > > > > But I get an error because $objTriggerState is undefined. > > > > According to the docs: > > > > "*Shared objects* and *shared collections* are specific objects and > > collections *whose contents are shared between processes*." > > > > So why is the object undefined? > > > > It works OK if the object is an interprocess variable, but that's a > > bit pointless isn't it? > > > > Pat > > > > -- > > * > > CatBase - Top Dog in Data Publishing > > tel: +44 (0) 207 118 7889 > > w: http://www.catbase.com > > skype: pat.bensky > > * > > > > ** > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > > > > ** > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** -- * CatBase - Top Dog in Data Publishing tel: +44 (0) 207 118 7889 w: http://www.catbase.com skype: pat.bensky * ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15
+1 to Virtualbox, it is highly configurable and can be automated using simple config files...to setup perfect dev environment, networking etc. Balinder On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 22:17, JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > Kirk, > > I highly recommend Oracle VirtualBox it’s FREE and I have found it > far easier to setup and maintain than either VMWAre or Parallels. Oracle > does a great job of keeping it updated. Just had an update this morning. > > I am currently running Windows 2008 Server 32bit and 64bit, > Windows 7 and Windows 10. Passing files between the Mac the VMs is seamless > and running 4D Client/Server in any combination between multiple VMs and > the Mac works flawlessly. > > I can’t say enough about how good and reliable it is. None of the > never ending hassles I had furs with Parallels then VMWare. > > John > > > John Baughman > 1331 I Street > Kailua, Hawaii 96734 > (808) 262-0328 > john...@hawaii.rr.com > > > On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech < > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > > > i, > > I really haven't good luck attempting to use VMWare and am not > particularly > > moved to buy Parallels when I had all the parts laying around to come up > > with a perfectly good solution. If I were making a habit of needing that > > older system I might take a look at it but this works for what I need. > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:25 PM Milan Adamov via 4D_Tech < > > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 01:16, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech < > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> On the other hand I spent a couple of hours setting up an external > drive > >> as > >>> a boot drive (with Mavericks!) so I can boot an old laptop into that > for > >>> working with a v11 db. Just a thought. > >> > >> Why not virtualizing it if you have Parallels or VMWare Fusion? It is > not > >> breaking Apple license regarding virtualization since Lion, you can > install > >> both client and server in virtual machine. > >> > >> Milan > >> > >> > >> ** > >> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > >> Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > >> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > >> Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > >> ** > > > > > > > > -- > > Kirk Brooks > > San Francisco, CA > > === > > > > *We go vote - they go home* > > ** > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > > ** > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15
Kirk, I highly recommend Oracle VirtualBox it’s FREE and I have found it far easier to setup and maintain than either VMWAre or Parallels. Oracle does a great job of keeping it updated. Just had an update this morning. I am currently running Windows 2008 Server 32bit and 64bit, Windows 7 and Windows 10. Passing files between the Mac the VMs is seamless and running 4D Client/Server in any combination between multiple VMs and the Mac works flawlessly. I can’t say enough about how good and reliable it is. None of the never ending hassles I had furs with Parallels then VMWare. John John Baughman 1331 I Street Kailua, Hawaii 96734 (808) 262-0328 john...@hawaii.rr.com > On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > i, > I really haven't good luck attempting to use VMWare and am not particularly > moved to buy Parallels when I had all the parts laying around to come up > with a perfectly good solution. If I were making a habit of needing that > older system I might take a look at it but this works for what I need. > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:25 PM Milan Adamov via 4D_Tech < > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > >> >> >>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 01:16, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> On the other hand I spent a couple of hours setting up an external drive >> as >>> a boot drive (with Mavericks!) so I can boot an old laptop into that for >>> working with a v11 db. Just a thought. >> >> Why not virtualizing it if you have Parallels or VMWare Fusion? It is not >> breaking Apple license regarding virtualization since Lion, you can install >> both client and server in virtual machine. >> >> Milan >> >> >> ** >> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) >> Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html >> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech >> Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com >> ** > > > > -- > Kirk Brooks > San Francisco, CA > === > > *We go vote - they go home* > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Help->v11 to v17 Upgrade or New?
Robert, What I was dropping not-so-subtle hints about is working out the interface for the GitHub API, which I found - unwelcoming, to support exporting directly to GitHub from 4D and allowing me to pull from it as well. All the tools for this are already in 4D, it's just a matter of working out the API interface. Or so it seems. The inner workings of GitHub are still a bit mysterious to me and and the API docs didn't do anything to clarify it for me. But it seems like something that's doable. On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 1:47 PM Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > Kirk, I think any mechanism that can export 4D code as text (plain text, > JSON, XML, etc) can be used via GitHub to at least manage method changes. > So, with the new v17r3 we have a native way to share the entire structure > which will allow us to use version control. However, the limitations seem > to be that we can not pull a version from a Git repository and integrate > that back into 4D. I assume that’s coming to a 4D version near you, but as > I understand it, we don’t have that ability just yet. It’s a one way street > although a very welcome one. > > FWIW, > > Robert > > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech < > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > > > Did I just hear you say something about uploading direct from 4D into > > GitHub... > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** -- Kirk Brooks San Francisco, CA === *We go vote - they go home* ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15
Milan, I really haven't good luck attempting to use VMWare and am not particularly moved to buy Parallels when I had all the parts laying around to come up with a perfectly good solution. If I were making a habit of needing that older system I might take a look at it but this works for what I need. On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:25 PM Milan Adamov via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > > > On Oct 20, 2018, at 01:16, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > > > On the other hand I spent a couple of hours setting up an external drive > as > > a boot drive (with Mavericks!) so I can boot an old laptop into that for > > working with a v11 db. Just a thought. > > Why not virtualizing it if you have Parallels or VMWare Fusion? It is not > breaking Apple license regarding virtualization since Lion, you can install > both client and server in virtual machine. > > Milan > > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** -- Kirk Brooks San Francisco, CA === *We go vote - they go home* ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Help->v11 to v17 Upgrade or New?
Kirk, I think any mechanism that can export 4D code as text (plain text, JSON, XML, etc) can be used via GitHub to at least manage method changes. So, with the new v17r3 we have a native way to share the entire structure which will allow us to use version control. However, the limitations seem to be that we can not pull a version from a Git repository and integrate that back into 4D. I assume that’s coming to a 4D version near you, but as I understand it, we don’t have that ability just yet. It’s a one way street although a very welcome one. FWIW, Robert > On Oct 19, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > Did I just hear you say something about uploading direct from 4D into > GitHub... ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: [off] Windows installer recommendation
Thanks, Pat - that looks as if it will be the bill perfectly. Jeremy > On 20 Oct 2018, at 13:31, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Inno Setup. Been using it for years. Works great and very configurable. And > free :) > > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 13:23, Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech < > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > >> I have been inveigled into making a Windows version of a Mac 4D >> application. I have no experience of Windows programming and very little of >> using it, but 4D seems to handle pretty much everything to make a working >> Windows application. I do need an installer, though: the people who will >> use it are likely to have even less knowledge of Windows than I do (and >> that’s setting the bar pretty low). >> >> Is there an easy-to-use and preferably free program that I can use to >> build a simple installer? All it will need to do is to copy the application >> to wherever it is on Windows that applications live and create a shortcut >> on the desktop. >> >> Any recommendations will be gratefully received. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Shared Object - NOT!
Hi Pat, > But I get an error because $objTriggerState is undefined. This cannot be true, because you used New shared object. Please use the debugger and check your code. I suppose you are using the latest v17 build and you have dot-notation turned on. -- Grüße/Regards, [heubach-media] | Christian Sakowski christian.sakow...@heubach-media.de Tel: +49/(0)40/52 10 59-23 > Am 20.10.2018 um 15:50 schrieb Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>: > > Well I guess I must be doing something wrong :) > Using v17r3: > > In the Startup method I create a new Shared Object: > > *C_OBJECT*($objTriggerState) // 20/10/18 > > $objTriggerState:=*New shared object*() > > > Subsequently I want to add something to that object. > > > $State:="on" > > *Use* ($objTriggerState) > > processnumber:=*String*(*Current process*) > > $objTriggerState.processnumber:=$State > > *End use* > > But I get an error because $objTriggerState is undefined. > > According to the docs: > > "*Shared objects* and *shared collections* are specific objects and > collections *whose contents are shared between processes*." > > So why is the object undefined? > > It works OK if the object is an interprocess variable, but that's a bit > pointless isn't it? > > Pat > > -- > * > CatBase - Top Dog in Data Publishing > tel: +44 (0) 207 118 7889 > w: http://www.catbase.com > skype: pat.bensky > * > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** -- heubach media Osterfeldstr. 12-14 | Haus 1 | Eingang Nord 22529 Hamburg tel: 040 / 52 10 59 - 10 | fax: -99 mail: i...@heubach-media.de home: www.heubach-media.de Geschäftsführer|CEO: Matthias Heubach Mieten Sie Ihre Computer, iPads & Drucker für Ihre Events bei: http://www.milo-rental.com Diese E-Mail enthält vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschützte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist nicht gestattet. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Shared Object - NOT!
That's how the example in the docs is. I've tried it with a process variable - same problem. Pat On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 15:52, Paul Lovejoy via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > How could it be shared between processes with a name starting with $? > > > > Paul > > > On 20 Oct 2018, at 15:50, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > > > Well I guess I must be doing something wrong :) > > Using v17r3: > > > > In the Startup method I create a new Shared Object: > > > > *C_OBJECT*($objTriggerState) // 20/10/18 > > > > $objTriggerState:=*New shared object*() > > > > > > Subsequently I want to add something to that object. > > > > > > $State:="on" > > > > *Use* ($objTriggerState) > > > > processnumber:=*String*(*Current process*) > > > > $objTriggerState.processnumber:=$State > > > > *End use* > > > > But I get an error because $objTriggerState is undefined. > > > > According to the docs: > > > > "*Shared objects* and *shared collections* are specific objects and > > collections *whose contents are shared between processes*." > > > > So why is the object undefined? > > > > It works OK if the object is an interprocess variable, but that's a bit > > pointless isn't it? > > > > Pat > > > > -- > > * > > CatBase - Top Dog in Data Publishing > > tel: +44 (0) 207 118 7889 > > w: http://www.catbase.com > > skype: pat.bensky > > * > > ** > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > > ** > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** -- * CatBase - Top Dog in Data Publishing tel: +44 (0) 207 118 7889 w: http://www.catbase.com skype: pat.bensky * ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Shared Object - NOT!
How could it be shared between processes with a name starting with $? Paul > On 20 Oct 2018, at 15:50, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Well I guess I must be doing something wrong :) > Using v17r3: > > In the Startup method I create a new Shared Object: > > *C_OBJECT*($objTriggerState) // 20/10/18 > > $objTriggerState:=*New shared object*() > > > Subsequently I want to add something to that object. > > > $State:="on" > > *Use* ($objTriggerState) > > processnumber:=*String*(*Current process*) > > $objTriggerState.processnumber:=$State > > *End use* > > But I get an error because $objTriggerState is undefined. > > According to the docs: > > "*Shared objects* and *shared collections* are specific objects and > collections *whose contents are shared between processes*." > > So why is the object undefined? > > It works OK if the object is an interprocess variable, but that's a bit > pointless isn't it? > > Pat > > -- > * > CatBase - Top Dog in Data Publishing > tel: +44 (0) 207 118 7889 > w: http://www.catbase.com > skype: pat.bensky > * > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Shared Object - NOT!
Well I guess I must be doing something wrong :) Using v17r3: In the Startup method I create a new Shared Object: *C_OBJECT*($objTriggerState) // 20/10/18 $objTriggerState:=*New shared object*() Subsequently I want to add something to that object. $State:="on" *Use* ($objTriggerState) processnumber:=*String*(*Current process*) $objTriggerState.processnumber:=$State *End use* But I get an error because $objTriggerState is undefined. According to the docs: "*Shared objects* and *shared collections* are specific objects and collections *whose contents are shared between processes*." So why is the object undefined? It works OK if the object is an interprocess variable, but that's a bit pointless isn't it? Pat -- * CatBase - Top Dog in Data Publishing tel: +44 (0) 207 118 7889 w: http://www.catbase.com skype: pat.bensky * ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: [off] Windows installer recommendation
Inno Setup. Been using it for years. Works great and very configurable. And free :) On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 13:23, Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > I have been inveigled into making a Windows version of a Mac 4D > application. I have no experience of Windows programming and very little of > using it, but 4D seems to handle pretty much everything to make a working > Windows application. I do need an installer, though: the people who will > use it are likely to have even less knowledge of Windows than I do (and > that’s setting the bar pretty low). > > Is there an easy-to-use and preferably free program that I can use to > build a simple installer? All it will need to do is to copy the application > to wherever it is on Windows that applications live and create a shortcut > on the desktop. > > Any recommendations will be gratefully received. > > Jeremy > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** -- * CatBase - Top Dog in Data Publishing tel: +44 (0) 207 118 7889 w: http://www.catbase.com skype: pat.bensky * ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
[off] Windows installer recommendation
I have been inveigled into making a Windows version of a Mac 4D application. I have no experience of Windows programming and very little of using it, but 4D seems to handle pretty much everything to make a working Windows application. I do need an installer, though: the people who will use it are likely to have even less knowledge of Windows than I do (and that’s setting the bar pretty low). Is there an easy-to-use and preferably free program that I can use to build a simple installer? All it will need to do is to copy the application to wherever it is on Windows that applications live and create a shortcut on the desktop. Any recommendations will be gratefully received. Jeremy ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Help->v11 to v17 Upgrade or New?
Hi Kirk, 4D Tech mailing list wrote > Did I just hear you say something about uploading direct from 4D into > GitHub... It is not what I understood. He used GitHub to manage his version. But, if you're right, I'm also very interested by this ;-) - Patrick EMANUEL Administrator www.association-qualisoft.eu (Soft1002, Simply Asso & QS_Toolbox) -- Sent from: http://4d.1045681.n5.nabble.com/4D-Tech-f1376241.html ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Elementary question
Andrew, Thanks. As I’ve written, I solved (or worked round) the problem by renaming the shortcut files to match the names of the destinations, but a hard link would certainly seem to be an alternative. Jeremy > On 16 Oct 2018, at 00:18, Andrew Hickey via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I think the command you are looking for is the MKLINK command, it does > require special permissions for some uses, but for components and plugins > you can use the /J switch to symbolically link the folders. > > ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Application Metrics
Jody, how did your deployed app phone home? Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > This information with the doctor information removed was sent to our central > server to accumulate. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Mac OS 10.14 Mojave and 4D 15
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 01:16, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > On the other hand I spent a couple of hours setting up an external drive as > a boot drive (with Mavericks!) so I can boot an old laptop into that for > working with a v11 db. Just a thought. Why not virtualizing it if you have Parallels or VMWare Fusion? It is not breaking Apple license regarding virtualization since Lion, you can install both client and server in virtual machine. Milan ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
