Re: Finding the proper source code...

[Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech]

You know, that’s a very good point and it rings a bell. You guys are 
great—thanks!

R

> On Mar 25, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Olivier Flury via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The problem with missing attachements may not be related to the new version 
> of the app but to:
> 
> https://doc.4d.com/4Dv16/4D-Internet-Commands/16/File-Transfer-Overview.300-3069885.en.html
>  
> 
> 
> The path to the attachement on MacOS X is limited to 63 Chars (documentation) 
> and the length of the file itself is limited to 30 Chars, including suffix 
> (own experienece).
> 
> Time to move to 64 bits...

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Re: Backup and journal file configurations

[John DeSoi via 4D_Tech]

> On Mar 25, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> When you are moving data files around between systems, just copy the entire 
> data file folder. That will have the .4DD, .4DIndx, .Match and .journal 
> files. If they are all in the same folder you can open that data file with 
> another structure and it will not ask you for the location of the .journal. 
> The key is to have all these files in the same folder and to always move the 
> entire folder between machines. 

Having the .journal file next to the database file defeats the main benefit of 
having the journal. If the drive crashes, you could could recreate the database 
from the last backup and the journal file (assuming both are on another drive).

> Now if you copy that datafile folder back to your development machine, you 
> have to copy the .journal file too. I believe .journal file usage is 
> internally stored in a .4DD, so once you have it set up, they must stay 
> together, or you get the messages you are talking about.

If your log file is on a second volume in production and your development 
machine has only one drive, there is no way to automate the restore of the 
backup without the log file prompts. I also wanted a fully automated restore 
with no log file or prompts to allow users to test experimental features. This 
is possible in every database I'm aware of, except for 4D.

See feature request from Jeff Kain and other discussion here:

https://forums.4d.com/Post/EN/22296877/1/22296878


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Re: [repost] v13+ Object (not C_Object) references from a Component

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

THANKS!

On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:27:48 +, Add Komoncharoensiri via 4D_Tech 
wrote:
> Hi Chip,
> 
>>> When the Object GET/SET commands are called from a Component 
>>> method, do they recognize that an object referenced by name is on a 
>>> Host form?
> I don't think they behave differently from between v13 and v17. So a 
> quick answer is yes.
> 
> Suppose your component method is
> 
>  // Method: obSetTitle
>C_TEXT($1;$2)
>OBJECT SET TITLE(*;$1;$2)
> 
> If you host form has a button with object method that executes:
> 
>obSetTitle (OBJECT Get name(Object current);"Hello")
> 
> The button title will change accordingly.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Add
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/25/19, 2:10 PM, "4D_Tech on behalf of Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech" 
> <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com on behalf of 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I am unclear in what you are saying (sorry).
> 
> Are you saying:
> ... there exists, at least some, Form object commands which *will*
> work, from inside a component method, on Host form objects?
> 
> I know that in the Host, Object Get commands will retrieve (or set for
> Object Set) a variety of Object properties; and I believe if the Form
> (and its objects) are part of a component that the same commands will
> do the same thing for the component form.
> 
> What I am asking about - to be more clear (I hope) -
> preferably for v13 (or v15)
> When the Object GET/SET commands are called from a Component method, do
> they recognize that an object referenced by name is on a Host form?
> 
> 
> Thanks
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Backup and journal file configurations

[Jim Hays via 4D_Tech]

I'm having trouble understanding how to control the use of backups and
journal files.

Here are some things we do, or want to do:
- Deployed servers have backups fully configured, with logs, recovery
settings etc.
  We're doing this, and have not needed mirrors or anything of that level
over the years.

- Development server should NOT have backup and journal files.
  We switch data files a lot and it becomes a mess of files and requests to
find the journal, create a journal, or errors with the journal.
  There should be no interruptions when running automated builds and tests

- Single user instances should not have backups and journals.
  We use single user development, and for built application demos.
  The data is generally disposable or for demo purposes


How do we manage this?
- is there a tech note about this sort of thing?
- programmatically turn settings on/off?
- where is the "USE LOG FILE" setting kept?
  (why is it not in backup.xml?)
- edit or externally manage the backup.xml file

Thanks for any tips!

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Re: [repost] v13+ Object (not C_Object) references from a Component

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

I am unclear in what you are saying (sorry).

Are you saying:
... there exists, at least some, Form object commands which *will* 
work, from inside a component method, on Host form objects?

I know that in the Host, Object Get commands will retrieve (or set for 
Object Set) a variety of Object properties; and I believe if the Form 
(and its objects) are part of a component that the same commands will 
do the same thing for the component form.

What I am asking about - to be more clear (I hope) -
preferably for v13 (or v15)
When the Object GET/SET commands are called from a Component method, do 
they recognize that an object referenced by name is on a Host form?


Thanks


  
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:45:47 -0600, Dani Beaubien wrote:
> Hi Chip, I know that using 4D v16 it is possible to use the OBJECT 
> GET commands to get information about the named objects. Not 
> completely sure about versions prior to 4D v16. I think some commands 
> would work and some would not.
> 
> BTW, your example line for OBJECT GET BEST SIZE is missing the * as a 
> 1st param since you are using the name of the object.
> 
> Dani Beaubien
> Open Road Development
> 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If a component method is called from the Host system, where a Text is 
>> passed to the component method which is an object Identifier (ex: 
>> "obj_Accept_button" - which is the object name of a button on an entry 
>> form)
>> can/does the component reference the host system object?
>> 
>> Ex :
>>  Host system Form Object method:
>> my_Component_Method("obj_Accept_Button")
>> 
>>  Component Method: - my_Component_Method:
>> $Object_Name:=$1
>> OBJECT GET BEST SIZE($Object_Name;$Best_Width;$Best_Height)
>> 
>> 
>> Will the component 'see' the host form object "obj_Accept_Button", or 
>> will the component look for the object within the component and, 
>> presumably, find nothing?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Chip
>> 
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Re: Call workers allowing multiple threads to run at once.

[Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech]

It would seem I have my answer for the question of require the use command for 
for the signal variable. You do have to use the use command to change the 
values of the signal since it is a shared object.

> On Mar 25, 2019, at 4:53 PM, Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The thing I am seeing is if I call the worker 10 times then 4 of the times do 
> not execute. I have a state variable to the DB record. I set the state to 1 
> when  ceding it to the server. Then the server sets it to 3 when it calls the 
> worker. The worker then sets it to 0 when it’s done. Or 2 if its returning 
> partial information. (Like a thumbnail for the main program)
> 
> The ones that do not execute leave the status at 3 and never return. I can 
> trigger it to return by resetting the value to 1 and it will request the 
> worker. Each task is a separate record in the tasks table. This way row 
> locking does not get me. 
> 
> This is now what Im looking at for each task to execute.
> 
> C_OBJECT($signalUploadPhoto)
> 
> $signalUploadPhoto:=New signal
> $signalUploadPhoto.signaled:=True
> 
> Then I enter the loop. Inside the loop Have the following.
> 
> : ($currentRecord.reqType="Photo Add")  //
>   If ($signalUploadPhoto.signaled=True)
>   $signalUploadPhoto.signaled:=False // Reset the signal to allow 
> execution
>   $currentRecord.reqStatus:=3  // Tag this as assigned 
>   $currentRecord.save()  // save save prior to executing.
>   CALL WORKER("Get Server Add 
> Photo";"Pict_AddPhoto";$currentRecord.reqID;$serviceSignal)  // Call function 
> as a worker process.
>   End if 
> 
> The docs day to call .wait($timeToWaitInSeconds) But that would stall the 
> loop defeating the benefits of preemptive processes and the threading. Is 
> there a more elegant way to do this? Also am I going to have to use the use 
> command on the Signal variable to change the values since it is a shared 
> object?
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's the point of workers.
>> 
>> You queue up messages for the worker to handle, in order, so your calling 
>> method doesn't block.
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech 
>>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But I have found that my loop pushing photos to the server moves so fast it 
>>> outraces the call worker
>> 
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Re: Call workers allowing multiple threads to run at once.

[Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech]

The thing I am seeing is if I call the worker 10 times then 4 of the times do 
not execute. I have a state variable to the DB record. I set the state to 1 
when  ceding it to the server. Then the server sets it to 3 when it calls the 
worker. The worker then sets it to 0 when it’s done. Or 2 if its returning 
partial information. (Like a thumbnail for the main program)

The ones that do not execute leave the status at 3 and never return. I can 
trigger it to return by resetting the value to 1 and it will request the 
worker. Each task is a separate record in the tasks table. This way row locking 
does not get me. 

This is now what Im looking at for each task to execute.

C_OBJECT($signalUploadPhoto)

$signalUploadPhoto:=New signal
$signalUploadPhoto.signaled:=True

Then I enter the loop. Inside the loop Have the following.

: ($currentRecord.reqType="Photo Add")  //  
If ($signalUploadPhoto.signaled=True)
$signalUploadPhoto.signaled:=False // Reset the signal to allow 
execution
$currentRecord.reqStatus:=3  // Tag this as assigned 
$currentRecord.save()  // save save prior to executing.
CALL WORKER("Get Server Add 
Photo";"Pict_AddPhoto";$currentRecord.reqID;$serviceSignal)  // Call function 
as a worker process.
End if 

The docs day to call .wait($timeToWaitInSeconds) But that would stall the loop 
defeating the benefits of preemptive processes and the threading. Is there a 
more elegant way to do this? Also am I going to have to use the use command on 
the Signal variable to change the values since it is a shared object?

> On Mar 25, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> That's the point of workers.
> 
> You queue up messages for the worker to handle, in order, so your calling 
> method doesn't block.
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> But I have found that my loop pushing photos to the server moves so fast it 
>> outraces the call worker
> 
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Re: [repost] v13+ Object (not C_Object) references from a Component

[Dani Beaubien via 4D_Tech]

Hi Chip, I know that using 4D v16 it is possible to use the OBJECT GET commands 
to get information about the named objects. Not completely sure about versions 
prior to 4D v16. I think some commands would work and some would not.

BTW, your example line for OBJECT GET BEST SIZE is missing the * as a 1st param 
since you are using the name of the object.

Dani Beaubien
Open Road Development


> On Mar 25, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> If a component method is called from the Host system, where a Text is 
> passed to the component method which is an object Identifier (ex: 
> "obj_Accept_button" - which is the object name of a button on an entry 
> form)
> can/does the component reference the host system object?
> 
> Ex :
>  Host system Form Object method:
> my_Component_Method("obj_Accept_Button")
> 
>  Component Method: - my_Component_Method:
> $Object_Name:=$1
> OBJECT GET BEST SIZE($Object_Name;$Best_Width;$Best_Height)
> 
> 
> Will the component 'see' the host form object "obj_Accept_Button", or 
> will the component look for the object within the component and, 
> presumably, find nothing?
> 
> Thanks
> Chip
> 
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Re: Call workers allowing multiple threads to run at once.

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

That's the point of workers.

You queue up messages for the worker to handle, in order, so your calling 
method doesn't block.

> On Mar 25, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> But I have found that my loop pushing photos to the server moves so fast it 
> outraces the call worker

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Call workers allowing multiple threads to run at once.

[Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech]

I have a stored procedure that watches a table in the database. This Store 
procedure then executes call rocker depending on the tasks placed in the table. 
Depending on what is put into the record of the table it will cell multiple 
workers.  Each worker could run for un undetermined amount of time. But usually 
they are pretty quick. 

The problem is that is I put in multiple requests. The call worker seems to 
lose track of the process running. For instance I have a worker called upload 
photo. This worker takes a photo from the table and places it in a folder on 
the server and generates three different sized thumbnails. But I have found 
that my loop pushing photos to the server moves so fast it outraces the call 
worker and causes requested workers to fail to finish processing. 

I have found the docs discussion about using signals. But I am wondering if 
there is a best practice for using this in the loop to prevent my from doing a 
call worker to a busy worker but not stall the event looks on the server.

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AW: Finding the proper source code...

[Olivier Flury via 4D_Tech]

The problem with missing attachements may not be related to the new version of 
the app but to:

https://doc.4d.com/4Dv16/4D-Internet-Commands/16/File-Transfer-Overview.300-3069885.en.html

The path to the attachement on MacOS X is limited to 63 Chars (documentation) 
and the length of the file itself is limited to 30 Chars, including suffix (own 
experienece).

Time to move to 64 bits...

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Betreff: Finding the proper source code...

I’ve got a compiled Mac-based v13 application (yes, I know I need to update to 
v17!) that is almost all web-based (few 4D forms) and where it sends reports 
via email attachments to users. I have a need to make a few enhancements to 
this application. Just to make sure that, I’ve located the proper source code 
for this application, I recompiled and re-delivered this application which 
resulted in no email attachments being received—they got the report email but 
no attachment. Apparently the compiled version in production is not the same 
version that I believe to be the current source code. The version online shows 
a creation date of 11/28/18 (surprising since nothing happened on that date, 
certainly no deliverable) and my records indicate that the last release was 
4/10/18. Any thoughts about locating the proper source code for a compiled 
application in production? I keep careful records about this but somehow there 
is a problem. I suppose a delivered version was rolled back at some point and 
that was not well documented. 

Thanks,

Robert
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Re: Finding the proper source code...

[Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech]

Perhaps the attachment code is not working

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> On Mar 25, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ve got a compiled Mac-based v13 application (yes, I know I need to update 
> to v17!) that is almost all web-based (few 4D forms) and where it sends 
> reports via email attachments to users. I have a need to make a few 
> enhancements to this application. Just to make sure that, I’ve located the 
> proper source code for this application, I recompiled and re-delivered this 
> application which resulted in no email attachments being received—they got 
> the report email but no attachment. Apparently the compiled version in 
> production is not the same version that I believe to be the current source 
> code. The version online shows a creation date of 11/28/18 (surprising since 
> nothing happened on that date, certainly no deliverable) and my records 
> indicate that the last release was 4/10/18. Any thoughts about locating the 
> proper source code for a compiled application in production? I keep careful 
> records about this but somehow there is a problem. I suppose a delivered 
> version was rolled back at some point and that was not well documented. 

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Finding the proper source code...

[Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech]

I’ve got a compiled Mac-based v13 application (yes, I know I need to update to 
v17!) that is almost all web-based (few 4D forms) and where it sends reports 
via email attachments to users. I have a need to make a few enhancements to 
this application. Just to make sure that, I’ve located the proper source code 
for this application, I recompiled and re-delivered this application which 
resulted in no email attachments being received—they got the report email but 
no attachment. Apparently the compiled version in production is not the same 
version that I believe to be the current source code. The version online shows 
a creation date of 11/28/18 (surprising since nothing happened on that date, 
certainly no deliverable) and my records indicate that the last release was 
4/10/18. Any thoughts about locating the proper source code for a compiled 
application in production? I keep careful records about this but somehow there 
is a problem. I suppose a delivered version was rolled back at some point and 
that was not well documented. 

Thanks,

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Re: Can'r run as a service on Windows 2016

[Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech]

Hi Pat, I’m with you…. Let me know when you find a solution.

Thanks,

Robert

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 6:09 PM, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi peeps,
> I am still having no luck with this :)

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[repost] v13+ Object (not C_Object) references from a Component

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

If a component method is called from the Host system, where a Text is 
passed to the component method which is an object Identifier (ex: 
"obj_Accept_button" - which is the object name of a button on an entry 
form)
can/does the component reference the host system object?

Ex :
  Host system Form Object method:
 my_Component_Method("obj_Accept_Button")

  Component Method: - my_Component_Method:
 $Object_Name:=$1
 OBJECT GET BEST SIZE($Object_Name;$Best_Width;$Best_Height)


Will the component 'see' the host form object "obj_Accept_Button", or 
will the component look for the object within the component and, 
presumably, find nothing?

Thanks
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Re: Can'r run as a service on Windows 2016

[Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech]

Thanks Paul.
In the Users and Groups control panel I only see Local Users and Groups.
But we've been told NOT to use a local user account ...
Pat

On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 10:07, Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
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> I dont have access to server 2016 so cant be sure but my guess is its a
> permission issue. Please see
>
> https://www.advancedinstaller.com/user-guide/qa-custom-user-service.html
>
> Do you have the local policy set for the use under which the service is
> running and does the user have read and write permission for the install
> folder ?.
> Paul
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Re: Can'r run as a service on Windows 2016

[Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech]

I dont have access to server 2016 so cant be sure but my guess is its a
permission issue. Please see 

https://www.advancedinstaller.com/user-guide/qa-custom-user-service.html

Do you have the local policy set for the use under which the service is
running and does the user have read and write permission for the install
folder ?.  
Paul



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