Re: IP address problem (likely resolution)

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

Chuck, 
by default
4D uses 1 IP address but at least 3 ports
- 4D (client/server default) 19813
- SQL 19812
- web service 80, and 443 for HTTPS
- PHP 127.0.0.1: 8002

it may be that you have (or there are) multiple 4D servers running (on the same 
machine)
which would require changing the default ports for at least one of them, and 
the clients would need to specify the port to connect.

4D server A is on default ports
4D server B could be on any other port number and +1 for SQL

as for IP addresses
each NIC (Network Interface Card) can have an IP address.
most modern computers have multiple ways of connecting to a network.
Ethernet and WiFi are 2 most popular.
on a Mac thoughtcrimes you can also have Thunderbolt, Firewire, Bluetooth, 
possibly NFS (Near field), and other options are possible as external add ons.

Each of these network connection options (if they are available and ON) can get 
an IP address.

Since you said this is a Mac, and the server is in an enterprise environment 
the likely cause of IP address confusion is: 
  :)

WiFI   ANDEthernet both being on and connected.

If there is an ethernet connection (most likely) and wifi is on then the 
computer will have 2 IP addresses.
It is possible that power testing causes one or the other network connection to 
drop.
- Ethernet
- the switch/router for the floor/subnet/room/building (as appropriate) 
goes down with the power (i.e. the battery back up for it has failed (or was 
never setup). This is an Enterprise IT issue
- WIfi
- the wifi router, or one or more extenders goes down with the power 
outage, again, this is an Enterprise IT issue.

The simple solution (if this is the problem)
-- if the server is supposed to connect via Ethernet -- turn OFF WiFi.  System 
Preference : Network : select WiFi from the list, click the button labels 'Turn 
WiFi Off'.
-- if the server is supposed to connect via Wifi (?!?!?!), disconnect the 
ethernet cable.


Chip

> OK I guess some more info may help. It seems that if I have a server 
> that I run at client with their IP address scheme and then run same 
> structure on server in my office it shows as broadcasting on more 
> than one IP address. So the question now is where does 4D get IP 
> address to show on the server admin window? I think this might be 
> part of the problem. I am going to post this on the new forum as well 
> with some screen shots
> 
> Regards
> 
> Chuck
> 
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>> On Jun 4, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for input. I will address each below your response 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2020, at 1:44 AM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chuck,
>>> There are 2 ways to resolve this, and using both is probably best.
>>> (following assumes DHCP)
>>> 
>>> 1 - put a battery on the computer (server) so that when power goes 
>>> down during tests the computer does not turn off.
>>> 1a - if this is already the case (it should be if it is a server) 
>>> and IP addresses are being changed on the server then there is a 
>>> switch in the network who's battery has failed - and Enterprise IT 
>>> should track it and fix it ( might need to enter a ticket)
>>> 
>> There is a UPS. Indeed the machine and server never went down
>> 
>> 
>>> 2 - talk with the IT/network people, give them the server's MAC ID 
>>> (network card ID) and request a fixed IP address server through 
>>> DHCP 
>>> Notes on #2 : the network admin can assign a specified IP address 
>>> to a specific MAC address, which is assigned via DHCP, then 
>>> regardless of power outage, server reboot, etc and generally the 
>>> time off the network, the IP address of the computer does not 
>>> change.
>> This is the 

Re: IP address problem

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

Chuck,

>> 2 - talk with the IT/network people, give them the server's MAC ID 
>> (network card ID) and request a fixed IP address server through DHCP 
>> Notes on #2 : the network admin can assign a specified IP address to 
>> a specific MAC address, which is assigned via DHCP, then regardless 
>> of power outage, server reboot, etc and generally the time off the 
>> network, the IP address of the computer does not change.

> This is the setup. Indeed the IP is manual. 
The IP address should probably NOT be set at the machine, Allow the DHCP server 
to give the address to the server.
on the Mac, 
System preferences : Network : Advanced
the setting should be : using DHCP
click OK
Save if asked

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Re: AW: IP address problem

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

Lutz,
I could/can post on new forum.
I really am not doing much with 4D right now, since the snug comes to my email, 
I read it occasionally,
also since the last version I worked with is 15 i am not up to date with 
current 4D.

so

Chip

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> Hi Chip,
> That's a very good answer. Are you able to post this on the new 
> forum? Chuck posted the same question there. You can find it here:
> https://discuss.4d.com/t/ip-adress-issue-on-server/14033?u=epperlein.lutz
> 
> Regards
> Lutz
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] Im Auftrag von 
> Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech
> Betreff: Re: IP address problem
> 
> Chuck,
> There are 2 ways to resolve this, and using both is probably best.
> (following assumes DHCP)
> 
> 1 - put a battery on the computer (server) so that when power goes 
> down during tests the computer does not turn off.
> 1a - if this is already the case (it should be if it is a server) and 
> IP addresses are being changed on the server then there is a switch 
> in the network who's battery has failed - and Enterprise IT should 
> track it and fix it ( might need to enter a ticket)
> 
> 2 - talk with the IT/network people, give them the server's MAC ID 
> (network card ID) and request a fixed IP address server through DHCP 
> Notes on #2 : the network admin can assign a specified IP address to 
> a specific MAC address, which is assigned via DHCP, then regardless 
> of power outage, server reboot, etc and generally the time off the 
> network, the IP address of the computer does not change.
> 
> and BTW 
> - MAC is a network card term and refers to the network card's ID
> - Mac(intosh) is an Apple Computer Co. computer.
> 
> DHCP with manual address usually means that the IP address has been 
> assigned by specific computer Admin, rather than network admin. The 
> IP address assigned this way can (and appears to) conflict with the 
> DHCP server assigning addresses.
> This is because, as I understand it, the DHCP server does not 'know' 
> about the manual address.
> 
> Quickly:
> DHCP hands out IP addresses in a specified range xxx.xxx.xxx.1 - 255. 
> the range can be restricted, say xxx.xxx.xxx.100 - 200.
> and/or the DHCP server can hand out specific IP addresses to 
> specified MAC address, and random to all others.
> Where I was working, IT did all of this.
> Servers, and other devices which required that IP address NOT change 
> over time, (requested to be fixed), were assigned in the range 1- 30, 
> 31 - 220 were for network attached devices (computers, tablets etc), 
> and 220 - 254 were for reserved for printers.
> However, ALL addresses were assigned via DHCP - assigning a manual 
> address was not allowed because:
> the DHC server did not know about it, and could/would hand out the 
> manual IP address to another device - creating a conflict.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> We have a built Client server v 16.x running on a MAC
>> 
>> Network set up is
>> DHCP with manual address
>> 
>> This has been working till about 6n months ago.
>> 
>> The hospital seems to test power outages on  fairly regular basis. 
>> When they do change over to emergency power
>> 
>> The network pane in system preferences loses all except the IP 
>> address and her we go
>> 
>> The 4D server running starts listening on a different IP address. Has 
>> anyone ever seen this before. Tech support is telling me to switch to 
>> manual address.
>> 
>> I have run and used this setup at many other customers
>> 
>> Thanks and regards
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>  Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306
>>  Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064   
>>  mailto:cjmillerinformed-solutions.com 
>>  Brookline, MA 02446 USA Registered 4D Developer
>>Providers of 4D and Sybase connectivity
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Re: IP address problem

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

"This can't be multihoming as I only have one address"
Understood.

"So the question now is where does 4D get IP address to show on the server
admin window?"
If a computer has only one IP address, there's no need to create a UI to
allow a user to select an IP address - it just shows up.

That thought led my "inquiring minds want to know" mind to wonder - "How is
multi-homing handled?"

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On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:52 AM Charles Miller via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> This can't be multihoming as I only have one address
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:49 PM Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > Chuck:
> >
> > Good question. How is multi-homing handled?
> >
> > The web server can listen on multiple IP addresses but I've never seen
> > anything that discusses how the application/data server handles that.
> >
> > --
> > Douglas von Roeder
> > 949-910-4084
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:47 AM Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > > OK I guess some more info may help. It seems that if I have a server
> that
> > > I run at client with their IP address scheme and then run same
> structure on
> > > server in my office it shows as broadcasting on more than one IP
> address.
> > > So the question now is where does 4D get IP address to show on the
> server
> > > admin window? I think this might be part of the problem. I am going to
> post
> > > this on the new forum as well with some screen shots
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> 
> > >  Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306
> > >  Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064
> > >  mailto:cjmillerinformed-solutions.com
> > >  Brookline, MA 02446 USA Registered 4D Developer
> > >Providers of 4D and Sybase connectivity
> > >   http://www.informed-solutions.com
> > >
> > >
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> > > > On Jun 4, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech <
> > > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for input. I will address each below your response
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >> On Jun 4, 2020, at 1:44 AM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Chuck,
> > > >> There are 2 ways to resolve this, and using both is probably best.
> > > >> (following assumes DHCP)
> > > >>
> > > >> 1 - put a battery on the computer (server) so that when power goes
> down
> > > during tests the computer does not turn off.
> > > >> 1a - if this is already the case (it should be if it is a server)
> and
> > > IP addresses are being changed on the server then there is a switch in
> the
> > > network who's battery has failed - and Enterprise IT should track it
> and
> > > fix it ( might need to enter a ticket)
> > > >>
> > > > There is a UPS. Indeed the machine and server never went down
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> 2 - talk with the IT/network people, give them the server's MAC ID
> > > (network card ID) and request a fixed IP address server through DHCP
> > > >> Notes on #2 : the network admin can assign a specified IP address
> to a
> > > specific MAC address, which is assigned via DHCP, then regardless of
> power
> > > outage, server reboot, etc and generally the time off the network, the
> IP
> > > address of the computer does not change.
> > > > This is the setup. Indeed the IP is manual.
> > > >>
> > > >> and BTW
> > > >> - MAC is a network card term and refers to the network card's ID
> > > >> - Mac(intosh) is an Apple Computer Co. computer.
> > > >>
> > > >> DHCP with manual address usually means that the IP address has been
> > > assigned by specific computer Admin, rather than network admin. The IP
> > > address assigned this way can (and appears to) conflict with the DHCP
> > > server assigning addresses.
> > > >> This is because, as I understand it, the DHCP server does not 'know'
> > > about the manual address.
> > > > The address is permanent and was assigne by network folks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Quickly:

Re: IP address problem

[Charles Miller via 4D_Tech]

Hi All,
This can't be multihoming as I only have one address


On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:49 PM Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
> Chuck:
>
> Good question. How is multi-homing handled?
>
> The web server can listen on multiple IP addresses but I've never seen
> anything that discusses how the application/data server handles that.
>
> --
> Douglas von Roeder
> 949-910-4084
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:47 AM Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
> > OK I guess some more info may help. It seems that if I have a server that
> > I run at client with their IP address scheme and then run same structure on
> > server in my office it shows as broadcasting on more than one IP address.
> > So the question now is where does 4D get IP address to show on the server
> > admin window? I think this might be part of the problem. I am going to post
> > this on the new forum as well with some screen shots
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > 
> >  Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306
> >  Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064
> >  mailto:cjmillerinformed-solutions.com
> >  Brookline, MA 02446 USA Registered 4D Developer
> >Providers of 4D and Sybase connectivity
> >   http://www.informed-solutions.com
> >
> > 
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> >
> > > On Jun 4, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for input. I will address each below your response
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jun 4, 2020, at 1:44 AM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Chuck,
> > >> There are 2 ways to resolve this, and using both is probably best.
> > >> (following assumes DHCP)
> > >>
> > >> 1 - put a battery on the computer (server) so that when power goes down
> > during tests the computer does not turn off.
> > >> 1a - if this is already the case (it should be if it is a server) and
> > IP addresses are being changed on the server then there is a switch in the
> > network who's battery has failed - and Enterprise IT should track it and
> > fix it ( might need to enter a ticket)
> > >>
> > > There is a UPS. Indeed the machine and server never went down
> > >
> > >
> > >> 2 - talk with the IT/network people, give them the server's MAC ID
> > (network card ID) and request a fixed IP address server through DHCP
> > >> Notes on #2 : the network admin can assign a specified IP address to a
> > specific MAC address, which is assigned via DHCP, then regardless of power
> > outage, server reboot, etc and generally the time off the network, the IP
> > address of the computer does not change.
> > > This is the setup. Indeed the IP is manual.
> > >>
> > >> and BTW
> > >> - MAC is a network card term and refers to the network card's ID
> > >> - Mac(intosh) is an Apple Computer Co. computer.
> > >>
> > >> DHCP with manual address usually means that the IP address has been
> > assigned by specific computer Admin, rather than network admin. The IP
> > address assigned this way can (and appears to) conflict with the DHCP
> > server assigning addresses.
> > >> This is because, as I understand it, the DHCP server does not 'know'
> > about the manual address.
> > > The address is permanent and was assigne by network folks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Quickly:
> > >> DHCP hands out IP addresses in a specified range xxx.xxx.xxx.1 - 255.
> > the range can be restricted, say xxx.xxx.xxx.100 - 200.
> > >> and/or the DHCP server can hand out specific IP addresses to specified
> > MAC address, and random to all others.
> > >> Where I was working, IT did all of this.
> > >> Servers, and other devices which required that IP address NOT change
> > over time, (requested to be fixed), were assigned in the range 1- 30, 31 -
> > 220 were for network attached devices (computers, tablets etc), and 220 -
> > 254 were for reserved for printers.
> > >> However, ALL addresses were assigned via DHCP - assigning a manual
> > address was not allowed because:
> > >> the DHC server did not know about it, and could/would 

Re: IP address problem

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

Chuck:

Good question. How is multi-homing handled?

The web server can listen on multiple IP addresses but I've never seen
anything that discusses how the application/data server handles that.

--
Douglas von Roeder
949-910-4084


On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:47 AM Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> OK I guess some more info may help. It seems that if I have a server that
> I run at client with their IP address scheme and then run same structure on
> server in my office it shows as broadcasting on more than one IP address.
> So the question now is where does 4D get IP address to show on the server
> admin window? I think this might be part of the problem. I am going to post
> this on the new forum as well with some screen shots
>
> Regards
>
> Chuck
>
> 
>  Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306
>  Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064
>  mailto:cjmillerinformed-solutions.com
>  Brookline, MA 02446 USA Registered 4D Developer
>Providers of 4D and Sybase connectivity
>   http://www.informed-solutions.com
>
> 
> This message and any attached documents contain information which may be
> confidential, subject to privilege or exempt from disclosure under
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> intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient of this
> transmission, you are hereby notified that any distribution, disclosure,
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>
> > On Jun 4, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for input. I will address each below your response
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 4, 2020, at 1:44 AM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Chuck,
> >> There are 2 ways to resolve this, and using both is probably best.
> >> (following assumes DHCP)
> >>
> >> 1 - put a battery on the computer (server) so that when power goes down
> during tests the computer does not turn off.
> >> 1a - if this is already the case (it should be if it is a server) and
> IP addresses are being changed on the server then there is a switch in the
> network who's battery has failed - and Enterprise IT should track it and
> fix it ( might need to enter a ticket)
> >>
> > There is a UPS. Indeed the machine and server never went down
> >
> >
> >> 2 - talk with the IT/network people, give them the server's MAC ID
> (network card ID) and request a fixed IP address server through DHCP
> >> Notes on #2 : the network admin can assign a specified IP address to a
> specific MAC address, which is assigned via DHCP, then regardless of power
> outage, server reboot, etc and generally the time off the network, the IP
> address of the computer does not change.
> > This is the setup. Indeed the IP is manual.
> >>
> >> and BTW
> >> - MAC is a network card term and refers to the network card's ID
> >> - Mac(intosh) is an Apple Computer Co. computer.
> >>
> >> DHCP with manual address usually means that the IP address has been
> assigned by specific computer Admin, rather than network admin. The IP
> address assigned this way can (and appears to) conflict with the DHCP
> server assigning addresses.
> >> This is because, as I understand it, the DHCP server does not 'know'
> about the manual address.
> > The address is permanent and was assigne by network folks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Quickly:
> >> DHCP hands out IP addresses in a specified range xxx.xxx.xxx.1 - 255.
> the range can be restricted, say xxx.xxx.xxx.100 - 200.
> >> and/or the DHCP server can hand out specific IP addresses to specified
> MAC address, and random to all others.
> >> Where I was working, IT did all of this.
> >> Servers, and other devices which required that IP address NOT change
> over time, (requested to be fixed), were assigned in the range 1- 30, 31 -
> 220 were for network attached devices (computers, tablets etc), and 220 -
> 254 were for reserved for printers.
> >> However, ALL addresses were assigned via DHCP - assigning a manual
> address was not allowed because:
> >> the DHC server did not know about it, and could/would hand out the
> manual IP address to another device - creating a conflict.
> >>
> >>
> > Just a note. DHCP with manual address must used a fixed up S far as I
> know or you will get conflicts with other machines
> >> Hope this helps
> >>
> >> Chip
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> We have a built Client server v 16.x running on a MAC
> >>>
> >>> Network set up is

Re: IP address problem

[Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech]

OK I guess some more info may help. It seems that if I have a server that I run 
at client with their IP address scheme and then run same structure on server in 
my office it shows as broadcasting on more than one IP address. So the question 
now is where does 4D get IP address to show on the server admin window? I think 
this might be part of the problem. I am going to post this on the new forum as 
well with some screen shots

Regards

Chuck

 Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306
 Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064   
 mailto:cjmillerinformed-solutions.com 
 Brookline, MA 02446 USA Registered 4D Developer
   Providers of 4D and Sybase connectivity
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> On Jun 4, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for input. I will address each below your response 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2020, at 1:44 AM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Chuck,
>> There are 2 ways to resolve this, and using both is probably best.
>> (following assumes DHCP)
>> 
>> 1 - put a battery on the computer (server) so that when power goes down 
>> during tests the computer does not turn off.
>> 1a - if this is already the case (it should be if it is a server) and IP 
>> addresses are being changed on the server then there is a switch in the 
>> network who's battery has failed - and Enterprise IT should track it and fix 
>> it ( might need to enter a ticket)
>> 
> There is a UPS. Indeed the machine and server never went down
> 
> 
>> 2 - talk with the IT/network people, give them the server's MAC ID (network 
>> card ID) and request a fixed IP address server through DHCP 
>> Notes on #2 : the network admin can assign a specified IP address to a 
>> specific MAC address, which is assigned via DHCP, then regardless of power 
>> outage, server reboot, etc and generally the time off the network, the IP 
>> address of the computer does not change.
> This is the setup. Indeed the IP is manual. 
>> 
>> and BTW 
>> - MAC is a network card term and refers to the network card's ID
>> - Mac(intosh) is an Apple Computer Co. computer.
>> 
>> DHCP with manual address usually means that the IP address has been assigned 
>> by specific computer Admin, rather than network admin. The IP address 
>> assigned this way can (and appears to) conflict with the DHCP server 
>> assigning addresses.
>> This is because, as I understand it, the DHCP server does not 'know' about 
>> the manual address.
> The address is permanent and was assigne by network folks
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Quickly:
>> DHCP hands out IP addresses in a specified range xxx.xxx.xxx.1 - 255. the 
>> range can be restricted, say xxx.xxx.xxx.100 - 200.
>> and/or the DHCP server can hand out specific IP addresses to specified MAC 
>> address, and random to all others.
>> Where I was working, IT did all of this.
>> Servers, and other devices which required that IP address NOT change over 
>> time, (requested to be fixed), were assigned in the range 1- 30, 31 - 220 
>> were for network attached devices (computers, tablets etc), and 220 - 254 
>> were for reserved for printers.
>> However, ALL addresses were assigned via DHCP - assigning a manual address 
>> was not allowed because:
>> the DHC server did not know about it, and could/would hand out the manual IP 
>> address to another device - creating a conflict.
>> 
>> 
> Just a note. DHCP with manual address must used a fixed up S far as I know or 
> you will get conflicts with other machines 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> Chip
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> We have a built Client server v 16.x running on a MAC
>>> 
>>> Network set up is
>>> DHCP with manual address
>>> 
>>> This has been working till about 6n months ago.
>>> 
>>> The hospital seems to test power outages on  fairly regular basis. 
>>> When they do change over to emergency power
>>> 
>>> The network pane in system preferences loses all except the IP 
>>> address and her we go
>>> 
>>> The 4D server running starts listening on a different IP 

Re: IP address problem

[Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech]

Thanks for input. I will address each below your response 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2020, at 1:44 AM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote:
> 
> Chuck,
> There are 2 ways to resolve this, and using both is probably best.
> (following assumes DHCP)
> 
> 1 - put a battery on the computer (server) so that when power goes down 
> during tests the computer does not turn off.
> 1a - if this is already the case (it should be if it is a server) and IP 
> addresses are being changed on the server then there is a switch in the 
> network who's battery has failed - and Enterprise IT should track it and fix 
> it ( might need to enter a ticket)
> 
There is a UPS. Indeed the machine and server never went down


> 2 - talk with the IT/network people, give them the server's MAC ID (network 
> card ID) and request a fixed IP address server through DHCP 
> Notes on #2 : the network admin can assign a specified IP address to a 
> specific MAC address, which is assigned via DHCP, then regardless of power 
> outage, server reboot, etc and generally the time off the network, the IP 
> address of the computer does not change.
This is the setup. Indeed the IP is manual. 
> 
> and BTW 
> - MAC is a network card term and refers to the network card's ID
> - Mac(intosh) is an Apple Computer Co. computer.
> 
> DHCP with manual address usually means that the IP address has been assigned 
> by specific computer Admin, rather than network admin. The IP address 
> assigned this way can (and appears to) conflict with the DHCP server 
> assigning addresses.
> This is because, as I understand it, the DHCP server does not 'know' about 
> the manual address.
The address is permanent and was assigne by network folks




> 
> Quickly:
> DHCP hands out IP addresses in a specified range xxx.xxx.xxx.1 - 255. the 
> range can be restricted, say xxx.xxx.xxx.100 - 200.
> and/or the DHCP server can hand out specific IP addresses to specified MAC 
> address, and random to all others.
> Where I was working, IT did all of this.
> Servers, and other devices which required that IP address NOT change over 
> time, (requested to be fixed), were assigned in the range 1- 30, 31 - 220 
> were for network attached devices (computers, tablets etc), and 220 - 254 
> were for reserved for printers.
> However, ALL addresses were assigned via DHCP - assigning a manual address 
> was not allowed because:
> the DHC server did not know about it, and could/would hand out the manual IP 
> address to another device - creating a conflict.
> 
> 
Just a note. DHCP with manual address must used a fixed up S far as I know or 
you will get conflicts with other machines 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> We have a built Client server v 16.x running on a MAC
>> 
>> Network set up is
>> DHCP with manual address
>> 
>> This has been working till about 6n months ago.
>> 
>> The hospital seems to test power outages on  fairly regular basis. 
>> When they do change over to emergency power
>> 
>> The network pane in system preferences loses all except the IP 
>> address and her we go
>> 
>> The 4D server running starts listening on a different IP address. Has 
>> anyone ever seen this before. Tech support is telling me to switch to 
>> manual address.
>> 
>> I have run and used this setup at many other customers
>> 
>> Thanks and regards
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306
>> Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064   
>> mailto:cjmillerinformed-solutions.com 
>> Brookline, MA 02446 USA Registered 4D Developer
>>   Providers of 4D and Sybase connectivity
>>  http://www.informed-solutions.com  
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Thanks for the update.

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[Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech]

Hi Chip,
That's a very good answer. Are you able to post this on the new forum? Chuck 
posted the same question there. You can find it here:
https://discuss.4d.com/t/ip-adress-issue-on-server/14033?u=epperlein.lutz

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Chuck,
There are 2 ways to resolve this, and using both is probably best.
(following assumes DHCP)

1 - put a battery on the computer (server) so that when power goes down during 
tests the computer does not turn off.
1a - if this is already the case (it should be if it is a server) and IP 
addresses are being changed on the server then there is a switch in the network 
who's battery has failed - and Enterprise IT should track it and fix it ( might 
need to enter a ticket)

2 - talk with the IT/network people, give them the server's MAC ID (network 
card ID) and request a fixed IP address server through DHCP 
Notes on #2 : the network admin can assign a specified IP address to a specific 
MAC address, which is assigned via DHCP, then regardless of power outage, 
server reboot, etc and generally the time off the network, the IP address of 
the computer does not change.

and BTW 
- MAC is a network card term and refers to the network card's ID
- Mac(intosh) is an Apple Computer Co. computer.

DHCP with manual address usually means that the IP address has been assigned by 
specific computer Admin, rather than network admin. The IP address assigned 
this way can (and appears to) conflict with the DHCP server assigning addresses.
This is because, as I understand it, the DHCP server does not 'know' about the 
manual address.

Quickly:
DHCP hands out IP addresses in a specified range xxx.xxx.xxx.1 - 255. the range 
can be restricted, say xxx.xxx.xxx.100 - 200.
and/or the DHCP server can hand out specific IP addresses to specified MAC 
address, and random to all others.
Where I was working, IT did all of this.
Servers, and other devices which required that IP address NOT change over time, 
(requested to be fixed), were assigned in the range 1- 30, 31 - 220 were for 
network attached devices (computers, tablets etc), and 220 - 254 were for 
reserved for printers.
However, ALL addresses were assigned via DHCP - assigning a manual address was 
not allowed because:
the DHC server did not know about it, and could/would hand out the manual IP 
address to another device - creating a conflict.


Hope this helps

Chip


> Hi All,
> 
> We have a built Client server v 16.x running on a MAC
> 
> Network set up is
> DHCP with manual address
> 
> This has been working till about 6n months ago.
> 
> The hospital seems to test power outages on  fairly regular basis. 
> When they do change over to emergency power
> 
> The network pane in system preferences loses all except the IP 
> address and her we go
> 
> The 4D server running starts listening on a different IP address. Has 
> anyone ever seen this before. Tech support is telling me to switch to 
> manual address.
> 
> I have run and used this setup at many other customers
> 
> Thanks and regards
> 
> Chuck
> 
>  Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306
>  Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064   
>  mailto:cjmillerinformed-solutions.com 
>  Brookline, MA 02446 USA Registered 4D Developer
>Providers of 4D and Sybase connectivity
>   http://www.informed-solutions.com  
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Re: Import docx files in 4D Write Pro Area

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There is a feature request here

https://discuss.4d.com/t/import-docx-in-write-pro/14014/2

You may want to join the discussion on the new forums. It would be a very 
useful feature, but much more difficult I suspect than export to that format.

Steve

On 04/06/2020, 08:09, "4D_Tech on behalf of nisshaa2004 via 4D_Tech" 
<4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com on behalf of 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

Hi All,

I am able to use the export command and export template documents to a
template folder as below.

WP EXPORT DOCUMENT([Template]TemplateWP;$path)


Is there a way to import the docx file from the template folder instead of
importing a .4wp file or blob.


Thanks  & Regards,
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Import docx files in 4D Write Pro Area

[nisshaa2004 via 4D_Tech]

Hi All,

I am able to use the export command and export template documents to a
template folder as below.

WP EXPORT DOCUMENT([Template]TemplateWP;$path)


Is there a way to import the docx file from the template folder instead of
importing a .4wp file or blob.


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