Re: [57north-discuss] Serious Tuesday
humourIs the meeting this week??!/humour I will be at the space for 6pm with keys. I'll hopefully try to write up a couple of projects for the wiki - or at least stare at the wiki while drinking beer. On 22 April 2014 10:26, Tom Jones jo...@sdf.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:24:33AM +0100, Robert McWilliam wrote: With doorbot out of commission we'll need a keyholder to be there first and open the space. I think Tom being ill and Iain away leaves Carl? Or does anyone else have keys? Some one can come by my flat and get my keys. Email me off list and I will send details. -- Tom @adventureloop adventurist.me The most secure code in the world is code which is never written; The least secure code is code which is written in order to comply with a requirement on page 70 of a 100-page standard, but never gets tested because nobody enables that option. - Colin Percival ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
[57north-discuss] doorbot and keyholders (was: Serious Tuesday)
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:24:33AM +0100, Robert McWilliam wrote: I should be along - planning to give doorbot a poke and see if it can be resurrected. If that's successful (or quickly found to be a lost cause) I'll be doing some hacking on my video wall project. If the sensors and LED sign to not just spring back to life when you run the two Python scripts, just leave them until I get back. It's more important to have doorbot working, especially as we're down two keyholders this week. Who is the fourth keyholder? I was trying to work it out but I couldn't. All I could think of was me, Tom and Carl. Iain. -- urn:x-human:Iain R. Learmonth http://iain.learmonth.me/ mailto:i...@fsfe.org xmpp:i...@jabber.fsfe.org tel:+447875886930 [[[ I will be away from the 22nd until the 26th of April. I may be ]]] [[[ slow to respond to emails during this period. ]]] GPG Fingerprint: 1F72 607C 5FF2 CCD5 3F01 600D 56FF 9EA4 E984 6C49 Please verify out-of-band before trusting with sensitive information. [[[ To any GCHQ or other security service agents reading my email: ]]] [[[ Please consider if any professional body code of conduct to]]] [[[ which you subscribe requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] [[[ Your professional membership, chartered or incorporated status ]]] [[[ may be at risk.]]] pgpH_9t9tSxEf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] doorbot and keyholders (was: Serious Tuesday)
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: Who is the fourth keyholder? I was trying to work it out but I couldn't. All I could think of was me, Tom and Carl. Malcolm? Robert -- Robert McWilliam r...@allmail.netwww.ormiret.com Instructions should be read first, or not at all. Anything else is admitting defeat... ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] Serious Tuesday
On 22/04/14 09:48, Tom Jones wrote: [...] Other than the meeting members coming into the space with a plan should email the list and let everyone else know. This gives other members a chance to hear about what is going on in the space. Hi, I've been away at a conference then moved to a new house, currently without a broadband connection, and I was surprised to read so many emails about us having/not having 'serious' meetings in the Space when I connected to the Internet at work just now... I think this is just an example of 'emergent' behaviour ;-) Anyway, I'd appreciate some help removing the redundant 2U servers from the space if any volunteers are willing to carry some down to my car for me this evening (Tue)? I've yet to arrange to get the replacement servers from Kit/Rowan, but it seems like a good idea to remove the old ones first. We don't want any broken/redundant kit offending people's sensibilities do we ;-) Thanks, Tony. -- Minke Informatics Limited, Registered in Scotland - Company No. SC419028 Registered Office: 15 Highfield Avenue, Banchory, AB31 4FB Scotland (UK) tel. +44(0)1330 824292http://minke-informatics.co.uk mob. +44(0)7985 078324mailto:tony.tra...@minke-informatics.co.uk ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] Serious Tuesday
Happy to help Tony Also in general, I'll be test etching a PCB and sorting out component suppliers for workshop kits. Cheers, Ed On 22 April 2014 12:58, Tony Travis tony.tra...@minke-informatics.co.ukwrote: On 22/04/14 09:48, Tom Jones wrote: [...] Other than the meeting members coming into the space with a plan should email the list and let everyone else know. This gives other members a chance to hear about what is going on in the space. Hi, I've been away at a conference then moved to a new house, currently without a broadband connection, and I was surprised to read so many emails about us having/not having 'serious' meetings in the Space when I connected to the Internet at work just now... I think this is just an example of 'emergent' behaviour ;-) Anyway, I'd appreciate some help removing the redundant 2U servers from the space if any volunteers are willing to carry some down to my car for me this evening (Tue)? I've yet to arrange to get the replacement servers from Kit/Rowan, but it seems like a good idea to remove the old ones first. We don't want any broken/redundant kit offending people's sensibilities do we ;-) Thanks, Tony. -- Minke Informatics Limited, Registered in Scotland - Company No. SC419028 Registered Office: 15 Highfield Avenue, Banchory, AB31 4FB Scotland (UK) tel. +44(0)1330 824292http://minke-informatics.co.uk mob. +44(0)7985 078324mailto:tony.tra...@minke-informatics.co.uk ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] Upcoming Themed Thursdays
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Robert McWilliam r...@allmail.net wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014, at 08:58 PM, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: 24th Apr 2014: Cards Against Humanity (Rob) Umm, no. I have to be elsewhere that evening so definitely can't be running that one. It won't take much to run it: just need someone to get the cards against humanity deck from Tom and make sure they'll be there to open the space. Any volunteers? Robert Heya, Any update on this weeks Themed Thursday as Rob said he couldnt run it ? I have a brand new, unopened box of CoH at home and I could come along and host if needed ? Cheers, R ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] Upcoming Themed Thursdays
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Carl Anderson noodlemon...@gmail.comwrote: I will be along to open the space on Thursday so that sounds like a plan! Cool, confirmed, I will be there before 7 with my cards to host : ) Social Media Events: https://www.facebook.com/events/871292546230262/ https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/112503671338726985630/events/cphnmdabpckvvku1p1d46b92ufg ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] Meeting tomorrow
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014, at 04:32 PM, Robert McWilliam wrote: The agenda is at: https://github.com/hackerdeen/meetings/blob/master/2014/2014-04-22-Agenda.md Please have a read through it - if you can answer answer any of the questions or have anything to add please reply here (if you're happy with github feel free to also make changes there but since we're close to the meeting I'd like to have notice of changes here as well so other people notice them). I have just added some financial information: We currently have £800.50 cash on hand. Some of that is probably owed to Nick and for electricity usage up to now. We are now renting the space directly @ cost of £305/month + electricity. This month we have 10 people marked as paid giving income of £200. http://hackerdeen.org/api/membership/graph We're running cash flow negative by over £100/month so runway stands at somewhere around 6-8 months (depending on electricity usage and how much we're still owe Nick). To be sustainable we need to get to at least 16 members. Robert -- Robert McWilliam r...@allmail.netwww.ormiret.com Instructions should be read first, or not at all. Anything else is admitting defeat... ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] Upcoming Themed Thursdays
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 04:27:54PM +0100, Rowan Evenstar wrote: Cool, confirmed, I will be there before 7 with my cards to host : ) Open Tech Calendar updated. https://opentechcalendar.co.uk/event/1367-cards-against-humanity-tt Iain. -- urn:x-human:Iain R. Learmonth http://iain.learmonth.me/ mailto:i...@fsfe.org xmpp:i...@jabber.fsfe.org tel:+447875886930 [[[ I will be away from the 22nd until the 26th of April. I may be ]]] [[[ slow to respond to emails during this period. ]]] GPG Fingerprint: 1F72 607C 5FF2 CCD5 3F01 600D 56FF 9EA4 E984 6C49 Please verify out-of-band before trusting with sensitive information. [[[ To any GCHQ or other security service agents reading my email: ]]] [[[ Please consider if any professional body code of conduct to]]] [[[ which you subscribe requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] [[[ Your professional membership, chartered or incorporated status ]]] [[[ may be at risk.]]] pgpG0UkkxX2uL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
[57north-discuss] Minutes from today
The minutes from today are now up: https://github.com/hackerdeen/meetings/blob/master/2014/2014-04-22-minutes.md If you were here please check I haven't gotten anything wrong. If you weren't here please have a read through them and check there isn't anything you massively disagree with. Robert -- Robert McWilliam r...@allmail.netwww.ormiret.com Instructions should be read first, or not at all. Anything else is admitting defeat... ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] doorbot fallen over
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014, at 04:05 PM, Robert McWilliam wrote: doorbot looks to have fallen over so it is again not possible to get into the space without keys. doorbot has been resurrected (it is the time of year for it) so you can get into the space without keys again. Who wants to take bets on how long it will survive? The problem has not been entirely tracked down but for some reason doorbot rebooted. The networking config was broken so that the network didn't come back up when it rebooted. The second of those problems has now been fixed. I'll do some more poking to see if I can figure out why it rebooted and probably add some monitoring to restart services if they fall over. Robert -- Robert McWilliam r...@allmail.netwww.ormiret.com Instructions should be read first, or not at all. Anything else is admitting defeat... ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] [57north-announce] Meeting 2014-04-22
I'm covering a lot of things in this email. Please trim your quoting of my email to just the relevant bit so I can follow it. If you're following up on two unrelated points, send two emails otherwise this will get out of hand quite quickly. In Iain's absence Carl provided pictures of some cats. One was sleeping on a laptop. Why were these vital pictures not linked in the minutes? # New member procedure Not sure progress happened on this. Is anyone looking at it? Iain will talk to Becycle (Iain's theory that he can't be assigned work when he's not here is clearly invalid). My theory was that the meeting was last week, and that no work was assigned to me at this month's meeting. Also, you can't assign work at meetings. It doesn't get completed. You can only accept people volunteering. I will delegate to Cyril though. # Themed Thursdays If there were no volunteers at the meeting, and there was a good turnout for the meeting (this really should be recorded in the minutes - I have no idea how many people were there) then maybe we give up on them. Me and Tom originally said they would only exist as long as people wanted them to exist. Carl has lots of magswipe cards that say Aberdeen Uni - could have these if we had a use for them. These do not sound useful. Magswipe writers are prohibitively expensive. ## decision making It seems to me that decisions aren't actually made. The important stuff gets shoved into the next meeting, then the next, then the next, then the next, etc. ## Where minutes go If they're on GitHub, we should remove them from the wiki. The GitHub repo should also have a consistent naming convention. ## Being welcoming We need to be more welcoming of other people to get more members. There has been too much stuff on the mailing list where folks are expecting too much technical ability or getting annoyed with people because of overly specific expectations of what a hackspace member should be. We need more members so everyone needs to try harder to be friendly. I do not expect people to have technical ability magically, but I expect them to want to acquire it, not just go it's a hackerspace as an excuse for shoddy work. ## Decision making There was some discussion about how we should be making decisions. There was no real consensus on how this should be happening for day to day decisions. Some points that were hit: So no decision was made on how we should make decisions? * Anything involving spending money should go to the directors It should probably go to everyone, as a discussion on the mailing list? Two directors need to sign off on it legally, but members should also be involved. * Directors need a majority of them to agree to have agreement What? Please clarify. * For anything being looked after by someone talk to that someone. Care to be more vague? * Most decisions should go to the mailing list for input from other people. Yes. * If you suggest doing something on the mailing list and no one objects after some (undefined) reasonable amount of time then you have consensus. Yes. * The directors (at least) will be following the mailing list and will speak up if they have an objection. No. The directors do not have a responsibility above other members. If something happens and you don't like it, you should have followed the mailing list. If you don't want to follow the mailing list, you should contest the point about the reasonable amount of time. # No more meetings? Trial having all discussions on the mailing list for the next month with a meeting still scheduled. The meeting should just be a tick box going through A tick box AGM? -- urn:x-human:Iain R. Learmonth http://iain.learmonth.me/ mailto:i...@fsfe.org xmpp:i...@jabber.fsfe.org tel:+447875886930 [[[ I will be away from the 22nd until the 26th of April. I may be ]]] [[[ slow to respond to emails during this period. ]]] GPG Fingerprint: 1F72 607C 5FF2 CCD5 3F01 600D 56FF 9EA4 E984 6C49 Please verify out-of-band before trusting with sensitive information. [[[ To any GCHQ or other security service agents reading my email: ]]] [[[ Please consider if any professional body code of conduct to]]] [[[ which you subscribe requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] [[[ Your professional membership, chartered or incorporated status ]]] [[[ may be at risk.]]] pgpt_NdIDDqcG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] [57north-announce] Meeting 2014-04-22
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:01:59PM +0100, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: In Iain's absence Carl provided pictures of some cats. One was sleeping on a laptop. Why were these vital pictures not linked in the minutes? Cat pictures are important, but I feel a specialised site should be created to house them. This we can share with the internet community at large. ## Being welcoming We need to be more welcoming of other people to get more members. There has been too much stuff on the mailing list where folks are expecting too much technical ability or getting annoyed with people because of overly specific expectations of what a hackspace member should be. We need more members so everyone needs to try harder to be friendly. I do not expect people to have technical ability magically, but I expect them to want to acquire it, not just go it's a hackerspace as an excuse for shoddy work. We should be nice to anyone no matter what. Though personally I have a very short fuze for people that don't want to learn. I hate having to learn when I want to do, so I can see where people are coming from. I lead a troubled life. ## Decision making There was some discussion about how we should be making decisions. There was no real consensus on how this should be happening for day to day decisions. Some points that were hit: So no decision was made on how we should make decisions? * Anything involving spending money should go to the directors It should probably go to everyone, as a discussion on the mailing list? Two directors need to sign off on it legally, but members should also be involved. It should go to everyone, but that won't work. In the end all money related decisions go through me until we have a bank account. I will ask anyone that will listen because I **don'** want to be hated. * Directors need a majority of them to agree to have agreement What? Please clarify. I thought it was two(2). ## AGM According to our articles of association we were supposed to have an AGM in April so this will be an AGM (if the directors agree and we manage to get out an announcement on time...). This is here https://github.com/hackerdeen/articles/commit/58dc945981e15cb751968b22290e9b7f6c4ad68c#diff-8f70be4e1e768e1b1d4787a2b3ea94d5R266 I remember when the proto(We weren't a company then) directors walked through the articles we said this would be set to our first aniversary. Can some others back this up, I don't think having the AGM in May makes any sense at all. -- Tom @adventureloop adventurist.me The most secure code in the world is code which is never written; The least secure code is code which is written in order to comply with a requirement on page 70 of a 100-page standard, but never gets tested because nobody enables that option. - Colin Percival ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
[57north-discuss] Pictures of cats (was: Meeting 2014-04-22)
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:20:06PM +0100, Tom Jones wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:01:59PM +0100, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: In Iain's absence Carl provided pictures of some cats. One was sleeping on a laptop. Why were these vital pictures not linked in the minutes? Cat pictures are important, but I feel a specialised site should be created to house them. This we can share with the internet community at large. I would suggest /r/aww but recently it seems to be overrun with non-cat animals. /r/catgifs is still good though. Maybe we do need to host it ourselves in order to maintain standards of high quality cat pictures. Iain. -- urn:x-human:Iain R. Learmonth http://iain.learmonth.me/ mailto:i...@fsfe.org xmpp:i...@jabber.fsfe.org tel:+447875886930 [[[ I will be away from the 22nd until the 26th of April. I may be ]]] [[[ slow to respond to emails during this period. ]]] GPG Fingerprint: 1F72 607C 5FF2 CCD5 3F01 600D 56FF 9EA4 E984 6C49 Please verify out-of-band before trusting with sensitive information. [[[ To any GCHQ or other security service agents reading my email: ]]] [[[ Please consider if any professional body code of conduct to]]] [[[ which you subscribe requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] [[[ Your professional membership, chartered or incorporated status ]]] [[[ may be at risk.]]] pgpp5giZcvxi2.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
[57north-discuss] AGM (was: Meeting 2014-04-22)
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:20:06PM +0100, Tom Jones wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:01:59PM +0100, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: ## AGM According to our articles of association we were supposed to have an AGM in April so this will be an AGM (if the directors agree and we manage to get out an announcement on time...). This is here https://github.com/hackerdeen/articles/commit/58dc945981e15cb751968b22290e9b7f6c4ad68c#diff-8f70be4e1e768e1b1d4787a2b3ea94d5R266 I remember when the proto(We weren't a company then) directors walked through the articles we said this would be set to our first aniversary. Ok, so really the directors have failed at their jobs if that's what was in the articles. I remember us setting the AGM at 6 months after the date of incorporation at the really boring read the really long document meeting. I am not surprised we missed something though. Although, the articles don't say that we need to have the AGM in April, just that we need to arrange it in April. Iain. -- urn:x-human:Iain R. Learmonth http://iain.learmonth.me/ mailto:i...@fsfe.org xmpp:i...@jabber.fsfe.org tel:+447875886930 [[[ I will be away from the 22nd until the 26th of April. I may be ]]] [[[ slow to respond to emails during this period. ]]] GPG Fingerprint: 1F72 607C 5FF2 CCD5 3F01 600D 56FF 9EA4 E984 6C49 Please verify out-of-band before trusting with sensitive information. [[[ To any GCHQ or other security service agents reading my email: ]]] [[[ Please consider if any professional body code of conduct to]]] [[[ which you subscribe requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] [[[ Your professional membership, chartered or incorporated status ]]] [[[ may be at risk.]]] pgpiKCOEwJTyS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
