Re: [57north-discuss] Monday Madness
On 12/01/15 17:51, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: I've noticed David Cameron's comments today that there should be no means of communication which the government cannot read. Does the group have any intent to help inform the public? Say by an presentation-event? ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] New Semantic MediaWiki for 57North
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:50:37AM +, Dave Hibberd wrote: Personally, I think the idea behind hackr is a great - a free shell for all members alongside webspace and databases. It gives space members somewhere safe to experiment and learn about *nix based OSes, websites and the world of technology beyond what they've experienced. I started off on a similar system, silenceisdefeat.com, and that's a large part of what's become my digital ideology and passions. I had my start in a similar way, using the SDF public access unix machine. If this was a perk of membership to the space, alongside other serives (xmpp? email?) that would be a huge value add for some people and potentially help introduce new people to new things, or just give them the space to play, learn and understand some of the things that others are passionate about. To the point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsMgFPFvC2klist=UU3vBPQIJzgAfEpSl9RKmj4g -- Tom @adventureloop adventurist.me #pragma summon cthulhu :wq pgpPFf5r34n_K.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] Monday Madness
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 09:51:47AM +, Robert McWilliam wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015, at 11:30 PM, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 07:13:39PM +, Andy Gaskell wrote: Monitoring systems like public irc, public mailing list and a webcam :) The webcam is shortly disappearing, so that should fix that one. Really? When was that decided? When was it decided it was a good idea? I for one will be much happier with only unknown cameras looking at me. -- Tom @adventureloop adventurist.me #pragma summon cthulhu :wq pgpXDdcclwMWd.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] Monday Madness
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Tom Jones wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 09:51:47AM +, Robert McWilliam wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015, at 11:30 PM, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 07:13:39PM +, Andy Gaskell wrote: Monitoring systems like public irc, public mailing list and a webcam :) The webcam is shortly disappearing, so that should fix that one. Really? When was that decided? When was it decided it was a good idea? I for one will be much happier with only unknown cameras looking at me. Looking back through email you suggested having a webcam in an email subject Technologia Incognita October 27th 2013. I don't see any objections to it then and Iain offered to set it up. Robert -- Robert McWilliam r...@allmail.netwww.ormiret.com Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult. ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] New Semantic MediaWiki for 57North
Sorry for not getting back to this sooner. Work and drinking beer seem to have consumed all my time for the past few days. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015, at 03:21 PM, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 02:12:39PM +, Robert McWilliam wrote: What is the objection to hosting it on garioch? Resource issues: * Semantic MediaWiki has an RDF backend. RDF is not resource friendly and adequate room should be allowed for the triplestore to grow. * The cost incurred to bring garioch up to a specification where it would not lead to increased page load times and potential crashes where resource limits are reached would not be insignificant. * We have had issues when uploading high resolution images to the wiki on garioch as not enough memory has been available to perform image thumbnailing, so resources need to be allowed for this. We can get more resources. EIther upgrading garioch or getting another server. Andy's link to Linode put the cost of that at $10/month for the spec you said was currently needed, possibly rising to $20/month as the wiki grows. I think we should pay that to keep the wiki under space control if we do decide to use semantic mediawiki. Security issues: * Semantic MediaWiki is a complex PHP application and as such will, from time to time, have remotely exploitable vulnerabilities. * garioch currently hosts our mail and DNS systems. These, if compromised, have far greater potential for causing reputational harm than the wiki. * As far as possible, we should also be keeping membership data away from any potential security issues. If the risk of compromise is this high I'd be more inclined towards not using it. * Currently, the space enjoys me paying for hackr. I pay for it and maintain it for the benefit of all space members. I'm not sure what this is doing on this list? The wiki can't be moved elsewhere because you're being generous? Robert -- Robert McWilliam r...@allmail.netwww.ormiret.com Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult. ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] Monday Madness
I think this would be a good topic to discuss tonight at the space! ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] New Semantic MediaWiki for 57North
If we keep discussing semantics (get it?), we'll get nowhere, so I'm pulling this back out to some more broad points that may be worth considering before we all fall out over the mailing list again. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:10:20AM +, Robert McWilliam wrote: Sorry for not getting back to this sooner. Work and drinking beer seem to have consumed all my time for the past few days. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015, at 03:21 PM, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 02:12:39PM +, Robert McWilliam wrote: What is the objection to hosting it on garioch? Resource issues: * Semantic MediaWiki has an RDF backend. RDF is not resource friendly and adequate room should be allowed for the triplestore to grow. * The cost incurred to bring garioch up to a specification where it would not lead to increased page load times and potential crashes where resource limits are reached would not be insignificant. * We have had issues when uploading high resolution images to the wiki on garioch as not enough memory has been available to perform image thumbnailing, so resources need to be allowed for this. We can get more resources. EIther upgrading garioch or getting another server. Andy's link to Linode put the cost of that at $10/month for the spec you said was currently needed, possibly rising to $20/month as the wiki grows. I think we should pay that to keep the wiki under space control if we do decide to use semantic mediawiki. I'm all for community owned resoruces with an admin team, and last I spoke to irl about this he agreed that was a good idea. Security issues: * Semantic MediaWiki is a complex PHP application and as such will, from time to time, have remotely exploitable vulnerabilities. * garioch currently hosts our mail and DNS systems. These, if compromised, have far greater potential for causing reputational harm than the wiki. * As far as possible, we should also be keeping membership data away from any potential security issues. If the risk of compromise is this high I'd be more inclined towards not using it. Judging by last night's doorbot fun, we've got bigger security issues than whether complicated software may or may not theoretically have bugs. We should probably choose our battles closer to home. Sandboxing/separation of major services is probably a wise plan though. * Currently, the space enjoys me paying for hackr. I pay for it and maintain it for the benefit of all space members. I'm not sure what this is doing on this list? The wiki can't be moved elsewhere because you're being generous? It's worth considering at this point the occasional discussions about the current location of hackhub/etc, how well encrypted data in transit is and how/who owns the box the current incarnation works on. Again, battle and their location relative to home. Is it worth the space adopting hackr, or something similar, to run essential services on? Coming to Tony's point on democratising IT - maybe we could have a dedicated server that both gives our memberbase value and runs the vital services. Implementation is a separate discussion for further down the road. Personally, I think the idea behind hackr is a great - a free shell for all members alongside webspace and databases. It gives space members somewhere safe to experiment and learn about *nix based OSes, websites and the world of technology beyond what they've experienced. I started off on a similar system, silenceisdefeat.com, and that's a large part of what's become my digital ideology and passions. If this was a perk of membership to the space, alongside other serives (xmpp? email?) that would be a huge value add for some people and potentially help introduce new people to new things, or just give them the space to play, learn and understand some of the things that others are passionate about. Things and stuff, stuff and things. Have a delightful Tuesday! Hx -- Blog: http://beta.hibby.info Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davehibberd Fingerprint:5E4F 5451 93E8 969C 8A59 B80A 03A1 FB7A 1904 771B Twitter:@Hibbie Call: MM3ZRZ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] [57north-announce] Tuesday
Hey folks, I will be along and hopefully remember my sherry tonight! Also I'll be having a wee play with ESXi on a box in the space + possibly discussing space infrastructure :) Cheers. ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
Re: [57north-discuss] [57north-announce] Tuesday
I will be in playing with ridiculous laptop and probably the raspberry pi. -- Tom @adventureloop adventurist.me :wq ___ 57north-discuss mailing list 57north-discuss@lists.57north.co http://lists.57north.co/listinfo/57north-discuss
