Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
Tough. ❤️ > On Jan 25, 2024, at 10:51 PM, Lucio De Re wrote: > > On 1/26/24, Don A. Bailey wrote: >> I literally don’t care. >> > Then I don't think you belong here. > > If you believe you can excommunicate the majority of Plan 9 > contributors (have you counted the members of the "Pure 9" vs "9front" > clans, at all?) by dictum ex cathedra, I think you belong in the > Middle Ages, the Counter-Reformation at best. > > We ought to have grown past religious belief by now, and started > accepting that the Earth revolves around the Sun. > > Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-Mefa43c071078845cd43c6dc6 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
I don’t think you realize that you have your entire emotional perception of this situation flipped. This was a simple comment on why I strongly disagreed with VT’s request for a 5th Release. I explained myself. I did not get emotional, nor am I emotional now. What I did receive is a lot of strange emotional responses for which I have neither time nor interest. And frankly, neither should anyone here. Who cares if I like 9front? I’m not against it, nor the developers. I’m simply against *joining* 9front with 9legacy/etc as a formal release. I personally believe that’s a bad move. Don’t agree? Ok, so what? I’m one dude. And yet the gaggle of you people have tried to drag me down some psychoanalytical rabbit hole, and waste my entire day. And because I won’t let you drag me into it, and because I respond with short unemotional statements, you somehow think *I’m* the bad guy because I won’t devolve into your world. Geez guys seriously… go touch grass and have a life. Know what I did today instead of engaging with your bullshit? I did my job. I played with my son. I cooked us an amazing dinner. We built a fort. We looked at deer outside. We listened to music. All that because I didn’t waste my time with long bullshit responses that wouldn’t satisfy you, anyway, because I disagree with 9front being merged. Who cares? Live your life, man. > On Jan 25, 2024, at 9:18 PM, Michael Misch wrote: > > How you react to being told that you are behaving poorly, and it’s neither > appreciated or respected, speaks volumes. It’s telling, as you say, that your > take is to get defensive and, honestly, shitty. Emotional maturity may be > lacking in general on the list but please do not posture from some imagined > moral high ground. It’s so tiring, just do better. > >> On Jan 25, 2024, at 15:38, Don A. Bailey wrote: >> >> It’s telling that you see a difference of opinion as a temper tantrum. A >> major problem with people’s perspective of 9front and the current plan 9 >> community, honestly. >> >> >> >>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 6:35 PM, Jacob Moody wrote: >>> >>> On 1/25/24 16:03, Don A. Bailey wrote: >>>> I’m aware you’re a member of the foundation. >>>> >>>> What I want I think I’ve made clear. I do not want to see a formal release >>>> of Plan 9 that includes anything from the 9front project. I do not want >>>> 9front merged with what I tongue-in-cheek term “mainline” (9legacy / 9pio >>>> updated patch sets). I’d rather 9front stay its own thing. I’m certain >>>> there are a lot of relevant contributions within 9front but I think its >>>> place is as its own niche system. >>>> >>> >>> Who is going to do the work? Do you want to do the work? Do you think this >>> temper tantrum you've been throwing on >>> this list all day is somehow going to convince anyone else to work with/for >>> you? >>> It's rich that you feel like you can dictate rules (no 9front code) but >>> have no interest in making any effort >>> yourself to make that a reality. >>> >>> I await your "better" plan 9. >>> >>> - moody >>> -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-M2239138efd8522588384e093 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
I literally don’t care. > On Jan 25, 2024, at 8:18 PM, Jacob Moody wrote: > > On 1/25/24 17:38, Don A. Bailey wrote: >> It’s telling that you see a difference of opinion as a temper tantrum. A >> major problem with people’s perspective of 9front and the current plan 9 >> community, honestly. > > I didn't see it as a tempter tantrum until you stopped replying in good faith > and started name calling. > I think referring to Noam as "Jung Noam" was perhaps where I mentally drew > the line, or the > fact that you refused to answer any of my questions and instead responded > with "Cool Rant" > to our previous thread of discussion. > > I _want_ to listen to your difference of opinion, I have, at almost every > step of the way, asked what your > complaints are. You repeatedly have chosen to avoid my questions and respond > in bad faith. How > else am I supposed to interpret this? > > My email is still open if you want to send me a list of actual complaints > with 9front's code. > > - moody > -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-M8e62fdf295667e022a487043 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
I look forward to not seeing 9front as a part of a formal release, then. Thanks! > On Jan 25, 2024, at 7:00 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > Great; let me repeat one more time: The Plan 9 > foundation does not currently engage in technical > work such as putting together releases. There will > be no release from the P9F including 9front code, > because there will be no release from the P9F. > > If you feel the need for a release, I encourage you > to make one. If you feel your release is insufficently > formal, I suggest renting a tux. > > Quoth Don A. Bailey : >> I’m aware you’re a member of the foundation. >> >> What I want I think I’ve made clear. I do not want to see a formal release >> of Plan 9 that includes anything from the 9front project. I do not want >> 9front merged with what I tongue-in-cheek term “mainline” (9legacy / 9pio >> updated patch sets). I’d rather 9front stay its own thing. I’m certain there >> are a lot of relevant contributions within 9front but I think its place is >> as its own niche system. >> >> Thanks! >> >> >>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 4:55 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: >>> >>> Quoth Don A. Bailey : >>>> I’d prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would >>>> like to only receive patches through them. >>> >>> Speaking as a member of the foundation, we do not manage sources >>> or distribute patches. We do not maintain a Plan 9 distribution, >>> and currently have no plans to do so. >>> >>> Our focus, in line with our charter, is not technical. We focus >>> on growing the Plan 9 community, and providing ways to help the >>> Plan 9 diaspora with their technical work, and helping with the >>> logistics involved in that. An example of the work the P9F may >>> take on would be organizing IWP9. >>> >>> While I have not discussed with the rest of the P9F, I think >>> providing infrastructure to support community projects would >>> also fit our goals. >>> >>> If you have specific ways we can support people like you >>> taking up the torch and carrying plan 9 development forward, >>> please speak up and let us know; I'll ensure that it gets >>> discussed at the next P9F meeting. >>> -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-Me05976d48c1d08eb1946af15 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
It’s telling that you see a difference of opinion as a temper tantrum. A major problem with people’s perspective of 9front and the current plan 9 community, honestly. > On Jan 25, 2024, at 6:35 PM, Jacob Moody wrote: > > On 1/25/24 16:03, Don A. Bailey wrote: >> I’m aware you’re a member of the foundation. >> >> What I want I think I’ve made clear. I do not want to see a formal release >> of Plan 9 that includes anything from the 9front project. I do not want >> 9front merged with what I tongue-in-cheek term “mainline” (9legacy / 9pio >> updated patch sets). I’d rather 9front stay its own thing. I’m certain there >> are a lot of relevant contributions within 9front but I think its place is >> as its own niche system. >> > > Who is going to do the work? Do you want to do the work? Do you think this > temper tantrum you've been throwing on > this list all day is somehow going to convince anyone else to work with/for > you? > It's rich that you feel like you can dictate rules (no 9front code) but have > no interest in making any effort > yourself to make that a reality. > > I await your "better" plan 9. > > - moody > -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-M45f444747c99447da29585af Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
Last I checked (you) were asking for people to sign up. What’s the actual attendee count at this point? > On Jan 25, 2024, at 5:33 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > Also: We're organizing IWP9 largely as a forum > for folks like you to figure out how to make this > all happen; there's going to be plenty of time > between talks as well as hacking days to figure > out what code needs to be written, what patches > exist in people's local trees, plenty of napkins > (and, if you're lucky, whiteboards) to figure out > designs, and even get a head start on it. > > Considering submitting some WIP or opinion papers > on the details of how you plan to accomplish this. > > Quoth vic.thac...@fastmail.fm: >> Dear 9fans, as enthusiasts and experts of Plan 9, you are undoubtedly aware >> of the unique position this operating system holds in the world of >> distributed computing. Its influence on modern computing paradigms is >> undeniable. In the spirit of continuing this legacy, the prospect of Plan 9 >> Release 5 beckons, offering a pathway to not just preserve but also enhance >> our beloved system. This essay aims to articulate the rationale for Plan 9 >> Release 5, focusing on the need for modernization, the potential for >> innovation, and the practical considerations that align with our shared >> passions and expertise. >> >> The Need for Modernization >> >> Technological Evolution: >> We've all witnessed the dramatic shifts in technology since Plan 9's last >> iteration. To keep Plan 9 at the forefront of utility and innovation, it's >> essential to adapt and update our system in line with the latest >> advancements in hardware, networking, and programming languages. This >> evolution is crucial to ensure that Plan 9 remains an indispensable tool in >> our modern tech toolkit. >> >> Security Enhancements: >> In our ever-connected world, the sophistication of cyber threats is a >> reality we cannot ignore. It is imperative that Plan 9 evolves to include >> cutting-edge security protocols, safeguarding our systems and the unique >> work we do from emerging cyber risks. >> >> Hardware Compatibility: >> The advent of new hardware architectures is an exciting challenge for us. >> Updating Plan 9 to support these new platforms means not only preserving its >> usability but also expanding our horizons to new forms of computing, >> something we, as 9fans, have always embraced. >> >> Fostering Innovation >> >> Research and Education: >> Plan 9’s novel approach to system design and distributed computing has >> always been a beacon for academic research and education. A new release >> would re-energize our academic endeavors, offering a modern platform for >> continued exploration and learning, pushing the boundaries of what we can >> achieve with Plan 9. >> >> Community Engagement: >> A new version of Plan 9 stands to reinvigorate our community. This is an >> opportunity to deepen our engagement, attract new talent, and foster a >> richer ecosystem around our shared passion. The development of Plan 9 >> Release 5 could be a rallying point for our community, sparking new >> collaborations and innovations. >> >> Showcasing Plan 9’s Potential: >> Plan 9 Release 5 would be a powerful statement of our system's capabilities, >> especially in burgeoning fields like cloud computing, IoT, and distributed >> systems. This is our chance to demonstrate the adaptability and >> forward-thinking design of Plan 9 to the wider world. >> >> Practical Considerations >> >> Resource Allocation: >> We understand the importance of efficient resource management in bringing >> Plan 9 Release 5 to fruition. This means tapping into our collective >> knowledge, drawing on community contributions, and possibly exploring new >> partnerships or funding avenues. >> >> Backward Compatibility: >> Maintaining backward compatibility is essential to honor our past work and >> ensure a smooth transition. We must respect the legacy of Plan 9 while >> charting a course for its future. >> >> Documentation and Support: >> Enhanced documentation and support are crucial for the success of this new >> release. As a community, we can collaborate to create resources that will >> aid in adoption and usability, ensuring Plan 9 Release 5 becomes a tool we >> can all be proud of. >> >> Conclusion >> >> The creation of Plan 9 Release 5 is more than a technological update; it’s a >> reaffirmation of our commitment to a system that has long been at the >> vanguard of computing innovation. This initiative is a step towards ensuring >> Plan 9's continued relevance, security, and functionality in the modern era. >> It's an opportunity to broaden its impact in the realms of research, >> education, and beyond. As 9fans, we have the passion, the knowledge, and the >> community to make this a reality, honoring the legacy of Plan 9 while >> shaping its future. Let's embark on this journey together, shaping the next
Re: [9fans] P9F meetings (was: Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community)
Hard agree. > On Jan 25, 2024, at 5:30 PM, David Arnold wrote: > > >> >> On 26 Jan 2024, at 07:38, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > <…> > >> If you have specific ways we can support people like you >> taking up the torch and carrying plan 9 development forward, >> please speak up and let us know; I'll ensure that it gets >> discussed at the next P9F meeting. > > Is there any record of P9F meetings? Agendas or minutes? Even recordings or > transcripts? > > From my (admittedly very peripheral) position, the activities of the > Foundation are almost completely opaque. It’d be great to see some more of > its activity. > > d > -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3cf0d30fdee278a6-Mb4f4a21a3f640dd8e13091eb Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
I’m aware you’re a member of the foundation. What I want I think I’ve made clear. I do not want to see a formal release of Plan 9 that includes anything from the 9front project. I do not want 9front merged with what I tongue-in-cheek term “mainline” (9legacy / 9pio updated patch sets). I’d rather 9front stay its own thing. I’m certain there are a lot of relevant contributions within 9front but I think its place is as its own niche system. Thanks! > On Jan 25, 2024, at 4:55 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > Quoth Don A. Bailey : >> I’d prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would >> like to only receive patches through them. > > Speaking as a member of the foundation, we do not manage sources > or distribute patches. We do not maintain a Plan 9 distribution, > and currently have no plans to do so. > > Our focus, in line with our charter, is not technical. We focus > on growing the Plan 9 community, and providing ways to help the > Plan 9 diaspora with their technical work, and helping with the > logistics involved in that. An example of the work the P9F may > take on would be organizing IWP9. > > While I have not discussed with the rest of the P9F, I think > providing infrastructure to support community projects would > also fit our goals. > > If you have specific ways we can support people like you > taking up the torch and carrying plan 9 development forward, > please speak up and let us know; I'll ensure that it gets > discussed at the next P9F meeting. > -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-Mdc44d72890313df37199cd1c Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
That’s why I use quotes around mainline. And what you stated is also a big reason I’m not interested in 9front. No idea what your direction is or what your interests are. I like a lot of the things done by the core team, and the direction set by them. I’m not interested in 9front. Seeing a stable legacy release is imperative, in my opinion. That’s all. I’d rather it wasn’t merged. > On Jan 25, 2024, at 4:23 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > Quoth Don Bailey : >> Direction comes from people writing code... but you write code for 9front, >> yes? What does that have to do with mainline Plan 9? And what does that >> have to do with the direction set forth by the people that actually >> designed it? >> > > I'm not sure I understand the point of your question; I work on > 9front. There's nothing that qualifies as a mainline Plan 9 > since the lights turned off at Bell Labs almost a decade ago; > there are just forks like 9legacy and 9front. > > The people that actually designed it stopped setting direction > years before Bell Labs shut down. > > As a member of the Plan 9 Foundation, I would like to see other > people pick up other Plan 9 distributions, and take them in > other directions. > > As far as I can tell, that involves code being written and > shared. > >>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 7:20 AM wrote: >>> >>> This email suffers from a lack of semicolons; >>> >>> Bell labs is extremely dead at this point, and >>> direction comes from people writing code; once >>> the work begins, people are sometimes willing to >>> help -- but only once work begins. >>> >>> Quoth vic.thac...@fastmail.fm: >>>> Dear 9fans, as enthusiasts and experts of Plan 9, you are undoubtedly >>> aware of the unique position this operating system holds in the world of >>> distributed computing. Its influence on modern computing paradigms is >>> undeniable. In the spirit of continuing this legacy, the prospect of Plan 9 >>> Release 5 beckons, offering a pathway to not just preserve but also enhance >>> our beloved system. This essay aims to articulate the rationale for Plan 9 >>> Release 5, focusing on the need for modernization, the potential for >>> innovation, and the practical considerations that align with our shared >>> passions and expertise. >>>> >>>> The Need for Modernization >>>> >>>> Technological Evolution: >>>> We've all witnessed the dramatic shifts in technology since Plan 9's >>> last iteration. To keep Plan 9 at the forefront of utility and innovation, >>> it's essential to adapt and update our system in line with the latest >>> advancements in hardware, networking, and programming languages. This >>> evolution is crucial to ensure that Plan 9 remains an indispensable tool in >>> our modern tech toolkit. >>>> >>>> Security Enhancements: >>>> In our ever-connected world, the sophistication of cyber threats is a >>> reality we cannot ignore. It is imperative that Plan 9 evolves to include >>> cutting-edge security protocols, safeguarding our systems and the unique >>> work we do from emerging cyber risks. >>>> >>>> Hardware Compatibility: >>>> The advent of new hardware architectures is an exciting challenge for >>> us. Updating Plan 9 to support these new platforms means not only >>> preserving its usability but also expanding our horizons to new forms of >>> computing, something we, as 9fans, have always embraced. >>>> >>>> Fostering Innovation >>>> >>>> Research and Education: >>>> Plan 9’s novel approach to system design and distributed computing has >>> always been a beacon for academic research and education. A new release >>> would re-energize our academic endeavors, offering a modern platform for >>> continued exploration and learning, pushing the boundaries of what we can >>> achieve with Plan 9. >>>> >>>> Community Engagement: >>>> A new version of Plan 9 stands to reinvigorate our community. This is an >>> opportunity to deepen our engagement, attract new talent, and foster a >>> richer ecosystem around our shared passion. The development of Plan 9 >>> Release 5 could be a rallying point for our community, sparking new >>> collaborations and innovations. >>>> >>>> Showcasing Plan 9’s Potential: >>>> Plan 9 Release 5 would be a powerful statement of our system's >>> capabilities, especially in
Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
Yeah but we don’t necessarily need patches from 9front. The ones of good quality are really already being pulled in. Cinap does a lot of solid work. My only issue is seeing the two maintain a strong delineation, which I obviously prefer.On Jan 25, 2024, at 4:04 PM, Eli Cohen wrote:we've had discussions like this before. I do agree that having a more "original" Plan 9 option like 9legacy is a good idea. in terms of what that actually means doing, a lot of the obvious effort would be to go into turning stuff from 9front into patches for 9legacy. I started to do this to make a patch for dp9ik for 9legacy and I quickly realized how much effort that actually would takeOn Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 11:35 AM Don Bailey <don.bai...@gmail.com> wrote:Sometimes gatekeeping is good. It's OK if folks don't agree. I think it's healthy to create a strict regimen around "mainline". I am not against 9front doing whatever it wants, I just would prefer if the two did not merge. It's important to keep the 9 ecosystem stable, imo. DOn Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 1:02 PM thedaemon via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:Don, you have been gate keeping this whole thread. I see noone agreeing with you either. We could all be a little kinder to one another, especially since we all have love for Plan 9. — thedæmon On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:31 AM, Don Bailey <don.bai...@gmail.com> wrote:Cool gaslighting. On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 12:25 PM Bakul Shah <ba...@iitbombay.org> wrote:On Jan 25, 2024, at 8:44 AM, Don Bailey <don.bai...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it. > > If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both as a user and a developer. > > I trust the sources that come from 9legacy/9pio but I don't have any interest in the mess of whatever 9front is supposed to be. 9front is eminently usable. May be you are rejecting it for the wrong reasons? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-Mb71d859edbb24de170bf2c71 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink
Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
I’ve literally never even seen your name before. > On Jan 25, 2024, at 3:45 PM, Michael Misch wrote: > > This is incredibly rude and tone-deaf. Your convictions aside, dismissing an > opinion like this is simply stonewalling, and quite frankly obliterated > whatever respect I may have started to develop for you. > >> On Jan 25, 2024, at 08:44, Don Bailey wrote: >> >> I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it. >> >> If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both as >> a user and a developer. >> >> I trust the sources that come from 9legacy/9pio but I don't have any >> interest in the mess of whatever 9front is supposed to be. >> >> D >> >>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:40 AM hiro via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: >>> I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I’d prefer >>> the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like to only receive >>> patches through them. >> >> Are you speaking as part of the foundation? As a developer? Or as a User? >> >> Me, as a user, I would also appreciate if the foundation (or the real >> bell-labs unix room heritage, before the foundation existed) would >> "manage" something. for example development and continuous hosting of >> the sources server. This doesn't seem to be the case. >> >> I also would appreciate the making available of patches by the >> foundation. I have no clue where their codebase is moving in the last >> few years as there was no single commit (or even simple patch via >> email) received from them. >> >> I think the reason the 9front repo is continuing to stay split "off" >> is because the bell-labs servers have all been shut down. As a result >> the community has stepped in to donate their own time, money, server >> resources, sweat and blood, etc. to keep a usable plan 9 version and >> community (that is willing to stay patches) alive. >> >> It is extremely unfortunate, but the pressure behind the freely >> contributed code ended up being stronger than the ability to negotiate >> with the empty halls of bell-labs. So as a result lots of community >> members are able to contribute quite effectively. >> >> To me the legend of what must have been the unix room will always stay >> alive, and I will continue to use it as a benchmark to measure my own >> team's success against. But if I cannot be part of the group of cool >> kids that came out of this, I can at least have my own bell-labs, with >> blackjack and hookers. In my head. >> >> Don, I wish you great technical collaborations. At least this is what >> I have came here for, and have tried to take what caused awe in me and >> keep them alive and infect others with all that. Maybe you can submit >> another patch to sources some day soon. >> >> hiro >> 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-Md716ed53a2f48228ea3af9da Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
I use it. It’s also my advice. It wasn’t “advice” from Rob, it was a design choice. There’s more value in that than “advice”. Not interested in your theoretical discussions or trolling. Thanks. D > On Jan 24, 2024, at 10:44 PM, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 08:53:30PM -0500, Don A. Bailey wrote: >> Tbf I took it as genuine. >> >> One reason I responded with no is that Rob noted that further 9 releases >> should not be a release at all, but should be fluid updates through the >> network. I think if 9 lives on it should be that was, as intended. > > might want to focus on advice from people who use plan 9, instead > >> I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I’d prefer >> the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like to only receive >> patches through them. > > what is weird about forking unmaintained software? > > khm -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-Mce06715b09bf351399b7ac03 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
Tbf I took it as genuine. One reason I responded with no is that Rob noted that further 9 releases should not be a release at all, but should be fluid updates through the network. I think if 9 lives on it should be that was, as intended. I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I’d prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like to only receive patches through them. D > On Jan 24, 2024, at 8:50 PM, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: > > To clarify, my message represented a genuine exploration of the idea of > envisioning a new release. > > --vic > > >> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, at 10:01, Don Bailey wrote: >> Breh. No. >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 7:45 PM wrote: >>> >>> Dear 9fans, as enthusiasts and experts of Plan 9, you are undoubtedly >>> aware of the unique position this operating system holds in the world of >>> distributed computing. Its influence on modern computing paradigms is >>> undeniable. In the spirit of continuing this legacy, the prospect of Plan 9 >>> Release 5 beckons, offering a pathway to not just preserve but also enhance >>> our beloved system. This essay aims to articulate the rationale for Plan 9 >>> Release 5, focusing on the need for modernization, the potential for >>> innovation, and the practical considerations that align with our shared >>> passions and expertise. >>> >>> The Need for Modernization >>> >>> Technological Evolution: >>> We've all witnessed the dramatic shifts in technology since Plan 9's last >>> iteration. To keep Plan 9 at the forefront of utility and innovation, it's >>> essential to adapt and update our system in line with the latest >>> advancements in hardware, networking, and programming languages. This >>> evolution is crucial to ensure that Plan 9 remains an indispensable tool in >>> our modern tech toolkit. >>> >>> Security Enhancements: >>> In our ever-connected world, the sophistication of cyber threats is a >>> reality we cannot ignore. It is imperative that Plan 9 evolves to include >>> cutting-edge security protocols, safeguarding our systems and the unique >>> work we do from emerging cyber risks. >>> >>> Hardware Compatibility: >>> The advent of new hardware architectures is an exciting challenge for us. >>> Updating Plan 9 to support these new platforms means not only preserving >>> its usability but also expanding our horizons to new forms of computing, >>> something we, as 9fans, have always embraced. >>> >>> Fostering Innovation >>> >>> Research and Education: >>> Plan 9’s novel approach to system design and distributed computing has >>> always been a beacon for academic research and education. A new release >>> would re-energize our academic endeavors, offering a modern platform for >>> continued exploration and learning, pushing the boundaries of what we can >>> achieve with Plan 9. >>> >>> Community Engagement: >>> A new version of Plan 9 stands to reinvigorate our community. This is an >>> opportunity to deepen our engagement, attract new talent, and foster a >>> richer ecosystem around our shared passion. The development of Plan 9 >>> Release 5 could be a rallying point for our community, sparking new >>> collaborations and innovations. >>> >>> Showcasing Plan 9’s Potential: >>> Plan 9 Release 5 would be a powerful statement of our system's >>> capabilities, especially in burgeoning fields like cloud computing, IoT, >>> and distributed systems. This is our chance to demonstrate the adaptability >>> and forward-thinking design of Plan 9 to the wider world. >>> >>> Practical Considerations >>> >>> Resource Allocation: >>> We understand the importance of efficient resource management in bringing >>> Plan 9 Release 5 to fruition. This means tapping into our collective >>> knowledge, drawing on community contributions, and possibly exploring new >>> partnerships or funding avenues. >>> >>> Backward Compatibility: >>> Maintaining backward compatibility is essential to honor our past work and >>> ensure a smooth transition. We must respect the legacy of Plan 9 while >>> charting a course for its future. >>> >>> Documentation and Support: >>> Enhanced documentation and support are crucial for the success of this new >>> release. As a community, we can collaborate to create res
Re: [9fans] RPi in QEMU
So to get this back on the track of RPI emulated in QEMU … has anyone successfully used the Miller image with Q? D > On Aug 26, 2023, at 7:49 AM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ah no i was wrong. first google result "KVM support is available only > for 64-bit ARM architecture (AArch64" > oh well > >> On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM mkf wrote: >> >> I believe KVM on aarch64 would help aarch64 guests. >> i could be wrong. >> >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 13:39:01 +0200 >> hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> why do you assume kvm helps with emulating a raspberry? >>> kvm helps virtualize amd64 on amd64, and shouldn't be usable for much else. >> >> - >> mkf -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T5da5467097e4eab2-M2124f52071a58e03f83b5f1f Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Re: How do I run plan9 in virtualbox?
If you’re not running plan9 on a Simics Alpha DEC hosted on a PA-RISC B class workstation, are you even running plan9?On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:14 PM, redhatuser wrote: So according to you, which one do you use? 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink
Re: [9fans] plan9 in 2023 - which edition, fork, distro and what host
I think the cleanest current setup is VirtualBox for your CPU/Auth servers and Disk, and 9vx for your terminal. Super fast and easy. DOn Jul 26, 2023, at 7:36 PM, will.s...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it's time for my every handful of years dive into plan 9. In 2023, what's the best (most current) source for the distro and is it best practice to install it on hardware (RPI or other) or in a VM (which)? I'd like the mouse to work and the network... As unflakily as possible .Will 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink
Re: [9fans] Schedule
What time zone? :-) D > On Apr 20, 2023, at 5:39 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > Apologies for the late mailing. Here's the schedule for iwp9: > > Fri 21 Apr > -- > > 10:00 am Welcome and Introduction > > * Session 1: Security * > > 10:30 am Edouard Klein: Dr Glendarme or: How I Learned to Stop > Kerberos and Love Factotum > 11:15 am Jacob Moody: Namespaces as Security Domains > > 12:00 pm Lunch > > * Session 2: Storage * > > 1:30 pm Emil Tsalapatis, Ryan Hancock and Ali Jose Mashtizadeh: A 9P > Server for Application Management in Single Level Stores: A Status > Report > 2:15 pm Ori Bernstein: GEFS, A Good Enough File System > > 3:00 pm Break > > * Session 3: Hardware Ports * > > 3:45 pm Andrew D. Gibson: MIPS Rides Again > 4:30 pm Geoff Collyer: Plan 9 on 64-bit RISC-V > > Sat 22 Apr > -- > > * Session 4: Freezing, Snapping and Ghosting * > > 10:00 am David Boddie: Hell Freezes Over: Freezing Limbo modules to > reduce Inferno’s memory footprint > 10:45 am Brian L Stuart: An O(1) Method for Storage Snapshots > 11:30 am Noam Preil and Sigrid: Ghostbusters > > 12:15 pm Lunch > > Afternoon: Time for discussions/hacking/etc. > > Sun 23 Apr > -- > > * Session 5: Application, Education, Optimization * > > 10:00 am Jonas Amoson: Porting the Netsurf web browser to Plan 9 > 10:45 am Brian L Stuart: Plan 9 and Inferno Go to School > 11:30 am Eli Cohen: NinePea - A Small 9P Library for Arduino and Plan 9 > > 12:15 pm Lunch > > Afternoon: Time for discussions/hacking/etc. > -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9007e554721c6930-M815c8849439c74ec7ee205a2 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation
How do we get involved in or become a member of the foundation? D > On Feb 10, 2021, at 2:41 AM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > > We are pleased to announce the creation of the Plan 9 Foundation. > > The Foundation exists to promote and further the development of Plan 9 and > related technologies for lightweight distributed systems. > > More information can be found on our web site, http://p9f.org/. We've also > brought up a new wiki, reachable on the web at http://p9f.org/wiki/welcome/ > or over 9p at tcp!p9f.org!wiki. > > As our first major activity, the Plan 9 Foundation will be coordinating Plan > 9's application to (and, should we be accepted, participation in) Google's > Summer of Code. That includes hosting the all-important Ideas Page for this > year, as well as other supporting documentation; more on that in a separate > email. > > We'll also be coordinating the return of the International Workshop on Plan > 9. Last year's efforts to bring IWP9 back were a big part of what led to the > creation of the Foundation. It's still not clear when we'll be able to have > an in-person conference responsibly, but we're eager to get there. > > We want to make Plan 9 and all that surrounds it stronger, more accessible, > and more useful for all. We know there's plenty going on already and we want > to be clear that we're excited about that. We hope to add to that, provide > some additional resources, and improve things for everyone using Plan 9 > technology in their projects. > > We're still getting started and have quite a bit to do before everything is > running smoothly, but we're really excited for what the year's going to > bring. 2021 is going to be great for Glenda. > > Thank you for your time, > > Geoff Collier > David du Colombier > Charles Forsyth > Paul Lalonde > Ron Minnich > Jeff Sickel > Anthony Sorace > Skip Tavakkolian > -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T973ff41a99053355-Mdf409f59a76ecb52d0754e9e Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
You know Trump has email, right? ;-) D > On Nov 12, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Lucio De Re wrote: > > On 11/12/20, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >> Hi, >> >> FYI, for those of you who are on twitter, I've set up the twitter handle >> @Plan9_OS to push news and announcements to the community. Please >> consider following it; and if you tweet about Plan 9 or related topics, >> please try to include this handle in your announcements. >> > Is that a good idea? I, for one, have no intention of ever sharing a > medium with Donald Trump. > > Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-M7785163ebf947b25e3596cd3 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Arm Thumb compiler for Cortex-M
Oh right. Thanks, Charles > On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > > > http://vitanuova.com/inferno/downloads.html > >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 12:51 AM Don A. Bailey wrote: >> Where the heck is the inferno tree? >> >>>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Charles Forsyth >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> tc is different because the register allocation and code generation >>> strategies are different from normal ARM >>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 12:46 AM Charles Forsyth >>>> wrote: >>>> It's utils/tc in the Inferno tree. 5a does both ARM32 and Thumb (because >>>> it's abstract assembly), as does 5l. >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 12:28 AM Don A. Bailey >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Any source available? >>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Charles Forsyth >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There was a 5[ac] variant for Inferno (ta, tc) that produced Thumb code, >>>>>> and 5l could link Thumb and ARM32 code. >>>>>> That wasn't extended once Thumb-2 was issued, since it was different >>>>>> enough to require a fair amount of work and we had no immediate >>>>>> application on the Cortex. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 11:38 PM Thaddeus Woskowiak >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I would like to know if anyone is working on or exists an Arm Thumb >>>>>>> compiler so one could use plan 9 to program Arm Cortex M0/3/4/7 >>>>>>> microcontrollers directly. I know of Charles Forsyth's xc AVR compiler >>>>>>> which is also interesting. Though I have yet to try it out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -taw > > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc22ac8ae61456f10-M9fa4153089f9529058a7a0b8 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Arm Thumb compiler for Cortex-M
Where the heck is the inferno tree? > On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > > > tc is different because the register allocation and code generation > strategies are different from normal ARM > >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 12:46 AM Charles Forsyth >> wrote: >> It's utils/tc in the Inferno tree. 5a does both ARM32 and Thumb (because >> it's abstract assembly), as does 5l. >> >>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 12:28 AM Don A. Bailey wrote: >>> Any source available? >>> >>>>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Charles Forsyth >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> There was a 5[ac] variant for Inferno (ta, tc) that produced Thumb code, >>>> and 5l could link Thumb and ARM32 code. >>>> That wasn't extended once Thumb-2 was issued, since it was different >>>> enough to require a fair amount of work and we had no immediate >>>> application on the Cortex. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 11:38 PM Thaddeus Woskowiak >>>>> wrote: >>>>> I would like to know if anyone is working on or exists an Arm Thumb >>>>> compiler so one could use plan 9 to program Arm Cortex M0/3/4/7 >>>>> microcontrollers directly. I know of Charles Forsyth's xc AVR compiler >>>>> which is also interesting. Though I have yet to try it out. >>>>> >>>>> -taw > > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc22ac8ae61456f10-M19ec8971e0a6bf813470bdd5 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Arm Thumb compiler for Cortex-M
Any source available? > On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > > > There was a 5[ac] variant for Inferno (ta, tc) that produced Thumb code, and > 5l could link Thumb and ARM32 code. > That wasn't extended once Thumb-2 was issued, since it was different enough > to require a fair amount of work and we had no immediate application on the > Cortex. > > >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 11:38 PM Thaddeus Woskowiak >> wrote: >> I would like to know if anyone is working on or exists an Arm Thumb >> compiler so one could use plan 9 to program Arm Cortex M0/3/4/7 >> microcontrollers directly. I know of Charles Forsyth's xc AVR compiler >> which is also interesting. Though I have yet to try it out. >> >> -taw > > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc22ac8ae61456f10-M9c7a0aed3d67c936891acdd7 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Jim McKie
So sorry to learn this. My favorite memory of jmk, though I never knew him personally, was from 2003, when I was still learning how to engineer and hack operating system kernels. He and I exchanged emails regarding the best way to audit a kernel’s networking stack, as I had found some bugs in the Plan 9 TCP/IP stack that were remotely exploitable. His point was that I was way over thinking how to implement a working product, and I should focus more on being a *good engineer* rather than being a *perfect engineer*, and not worry so much about how perfect every line I wrote was. I’ll never forget how much that blew my mind at the time, an idea so simple, that even in a place as “elite” (to me) as Bell Labs, perfect was the enemy of good, even if innovation was the goal. A lesson I have carried with me from that day, which may have contributed greatly to the success I’ve had since then. Rest in peace, my friend. Don A. Bailey Lab Mouse Security https://labmou.se/ @InfoSecMouse > On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Charles Forsyth > wrote: > > > I am sorry to say that Jim McKie (jmk) died suddenly on 16 June. > https://www.ippolitofuneralhomes.com/obituaries/James-B-McKie?obId=15111702=IwAR3d7aHZXEOhYz-ciOrQPh-W1eMw-_8MHiCUdeKOxzLBEI6VGHsSn4aTjdk > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td73b359f9dc68c15-M45c2bb4a281a705a73167d99 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] IWP92020 Announcement
Waterloo > On Jan 13, 2020, at 9:17 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > IWP92020 is happening. Submit papers and sign up here: > > http://iwp9.org > > Hope to see you there! > -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T7db458ccd8ef1400-Mfa250d5dbbe61e7ac16efa22 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?
This :) > On Nov 22, 2019, at 1:54 AM, Skip Tavakkolian > wrote: > > > It's not dead; it's resting. > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:29 PM wrote: >> The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any >> chance of it coming back into development? > > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tb6b3aefeebeb526d-Mff175acdf3d67438f51957b8 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 security
Fwiw Plan 9’s code vase has indeed been audited. By me. Several exploitable bugs were found including a kernel exploit due to the env driver. I wrote a working PoC for it which is somewhere on the internet, but it’s quite old. Much of the code hasn’t changed, and, I would suspect, is largely secure. But you’re talking implementation security versus architectural security. In the case of IoT, Plan 9 does exceptional things to close the gaps that embedded systems supply its users, but it is nowhere near complete. Notably, a trusted root environment needs to be added - which Plan 9 only slightly addresses. Best, D > On Aug 20, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Cyber Fonic wrote: > > I don't think OpenBSD will run on an ESP-32. That is part of the problem > with IoT, the nodes are made on the cheap and thus use the cheapest viable > network capable device. > >> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 00:54, Ethan Gardener wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Cyber Fonic wrote: >> > >> > It has been said : "The 'S' in IoT stands for security". If Plan9 can >> > address that deficiency of the current state of the art for IoT devices, >> > then it would be a worthwhile exercise. >> >> Plan 9 may have a decent security model, but it's never been audited. >> Auditing a codebase, even one as small as Plan 9's, is a lot of work. Are >> you willing to make a start on it? >> >> If you want something free and already audited, with more security features, >> (but perhaps not quite the same convenience,) look into OpenBSD. >> >> -- >> I love that *Open*BSD is so *security*-focused! >>
Re: [9fans] 9grid?
I only really considered one project to be substantial. That may be unfair. It was the one that LANL/UCal were involved in. I'm interested in the code for managing grid nodes and delegating tasks. Best, D On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: That name has referred to at least two, possibly three, distinct and unrelated projects. I don't believe any of them are still ongoing. I also don't think any of them were aimed at becoming what i'd call a production resource. What is it you're looking for? -- Don A. Bailey CEO/Founding Partner Capitol Hill Consultants LLC 1-303-947-6557
Re: [9fans] 9grid?
Go embeds parallel/grid functionality now instead of just lightweight thread execution? Which packages would you point me at? Thanks, D On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:09 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Don A. Bailey d...@capitolhillconsultants.com wrote: I'm interested in the code for managing grid nodes and delegating tasks. Real code? talk to charles. Or now that Go works, you could look at some of those packages. ron -- Don A. Bailey CEO/Founding Partner Capitol Hill Consultants LLC 1-303-947-6557
Re: [9fans] 9grid?
Does Go have issues in general with TCP connections, or is this a Plan 9 specific issue? D On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Matthew Veety mve...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/23/2012 8:11 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote: Go embeds parallel/grid functionality now instead of just lightweight thread execution? Which packages would you point me at? Thanks, D On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:09 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com mailto:rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Don A. Bailey donb@capitolhillconsultants.**com d...@capitolhillconsultants.com mailto:donb@**capitolhillconsultants.comd...@capitolhillconsultants.com wrote: I'm interested in the code for managing grid nodes and delegating tasks. Real code? talk to charles. Or now that Go works, you could look at some of those packages. ron -- Don A. Bailey CEO/Founding Partner Capitol Hill Consultants LLC 1-303-947-6557 I would avoid using Go on Plan 9 right now for anything production because it has issues when using many concurrent tcp connections. If you do want to use Go, stick with reading and writing files, and let 9P do it's thing. -- Veety -- Don A. Bailey CEO/Founding Partner Capitol Hill Consultants LLC 1-303-947-6557
Re: [9fans] 9grid?
If I wanted to be insulted, I'd subscribe to a Reddit feed. ;) D On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 05:44:42PM -0700, Don A. Bailey wrote: Does Go have issues in general with TCP connections, or is this a Plan 9 specific issue? D Dear Don A. D Bailey, CEO/Cofounder: You should probably harass the Go people about this. Thank you, Kurt H Maier Grand Poobah/Arch-inquisitor At Large Totally a Business, Inc 1-212-479-7990 -- Don A. Bailey CEO/Founding Partner Capitol Hill Consultants LLC 1-303-947-6557
Re: [9fans] 9grid?
Cool, thanks. I appreciate the response. D On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Matthew Veety mve...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/23/2012 8:44 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote: Does Go have issues in general with TCP connections, or is this a Plan 9 specific issue? D I haven't had any problems with Go on other platforms (FreeBSD and Mac OS X) except for CPU use sometimes and scheduling of goroutines. Both you can kinda work around. -- Veety -- Don A. Bailey CEO/Founding Partner Capitol Hill Consultants LLC 1-303-947-6557
Re: [9fans] 9grid?
Thankfully, we are very well versed at tuning the Plan 9 kernel. I'll take your advice and develop the benchmark. Is your code concealed per work on NxM? Just curious as NxM seems to solve (in what little I know about it) some of the issues we are trying to solve with Go+Plan 9. D On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:15 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Matthew Veety mve...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/23/2012 8:11 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote: Go embeds parallel/grid functionality now instead of just lightweight thread execution? Which packages would you point me at? Thanks, D On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:09 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com mailto:rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Don A. Bailey d...@capitolhillconsultants.com mailto:d...@capitolhillconsultants.com wrote: I'm interested in the code for managing grid nodes and delegating tasks. Real code? talk to charles. Or now that Go works, you could look at some of those packages. ron -- Don A. Bailey CEO/Founding Partner Capitol Hill Consultants LLC 1-303-947-6557 I would avoid using Go on Plan 9 right now for anything production because it has issues when using many concurrent tcp connections. If you do want to use Go, stick with reading and writing files, and let 9P do it's thing. -- Veety Write a basic http server for Plan 9 (in C) and run Apache Benchmark against it. Somewhere around 100 concurrent connections, I tend to get failure. There's code in /sys/src/9/ip that has a hard limit on the # of concurrent connections IIRC. I'd post the code for the server I wrote, but it was written as part of work so I can't. Still, it's not hard to put together a server which responds only to a GET. john -- Don A. Bailey CEO/Founding Partner Capitol Hill Consultants LLC 1-303-947-6557
Re: [9fans] 9grid?
Haha, it's good to know the caustic wit of 9fans hasn't changed in the twelve years I've participated in it. Screen names change, but trolls will always persist. 3 D On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 06:11:54PM -0700, Don A. Bailey wrote: If I wanted to be insulted, I'd subscribe to a Reddit feed. ;) D Thanks for letting us know, D. The Right Reverend Kurt H. Maier, Esq. Daughter of the Fifth House of Betazed Holder of the Sacred Chalice of Rixx Heir to the Holy Rings of Betazed Ferenginar Acquisitions, LLC 1-631-960-7187 -- Don A. Bailey CEO/Founding Partner Capitol Hill Consultants LLC 1-303-947-6557
Re: [9fans] 9grid?
If only Joseph Campbell were around to accurately define this lot. I think he'd get a bigger kick out of 9fans than he did the Grateful Dead. Well, maybe not. But close, I'm sure. D On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:34 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: On Tue Oct 23 21:30:08 EDT 2012, d...@capitolhillconsultants.com wrote: Haha, it's good to know the caustic wit of 9fans hasn't changed in the twelve years I've participated in it. Screen names change, but trolls will always persist. biologists call it an ecological niche. - erik -- Don A. Bailey CEO/Founding Partner Capitol Hill Consultants LLC 1-303-947-6557
[9fans] 9grid?
Is 9grid still around? Has much progress been made on the viability of 9grid as a production resource in the past few years? Lots of the web data is down, so I'd love to hear from anyone using/working on 9grid resources? Thanks, D
