Re: [abcusers] What software will translate this correctly?

[Ray Davies]

>
> There used to be at least one other abc to staff notation converter on
> the
> web at   but that
> just gave me
> a 404, and www.fojar.com gives a message which says "Moving day", so
> maybe it
> will be back.

There used to be another at http://hjem.get2net.dk/atte/lovsang/input.php
where you could choose between several programs, but that's gone too. Pity.

Ray

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Re: [abcusers] ABC20-draft review

[Ray Davies]

- Original Message -
From: Jon Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] ABC20-draft review


> From: "Arent Storm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Hardly anybody will know what an Irish-roll is (is it eatable?)
>
> Is there even such thing? In Krassen's version of O'Neils, I find mention
of
> a long roll and a short roll in Irish fiddle playing.  He also comments
that
> his notation is only appropriate for fiddle and that players of other
> instruments may have to modify it. It seems to me that the situation is a
> lot more complicated than just one "universal" Irish roll.
>
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It's equivalent to a 'turn' ,
The note above the main note;
The main note;
The note below the main note;
The main note.
{B}A{G}A

A long roll has the main note played before the turn. A{B}A{G}A

But the constraints of any particular instrument and personal taste cause it
to be modified a lot.

Ray


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Re: [abcusers] Changing !..! to *..* or $..$ or ?..? or...

[Ray Davies]

Guido writes

> good. Since breaking backwards compatibility with thousands of tunes is
> apparently no longer a problem, I vote to change 'A' 'B' 'C'... to 'LA'
> 'SI' 'DO' ... :-)
>
You seem to be saying that there are thousands of tunes written in abc with
!---! decorations.
Are they on the web? If so where please?

Ray

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Re: [abcusers] Re: About the choice of '!'

[Ray Davies]

Eric wrote

> So this way, by allowing !, !...! and *=!, everyone would be
> happy, and I don't know the reason why this thread lasts so long.

The reason the thread is lasting so long is that not everyone would be happy
with this.
The use of abc for printing classical etc music is fairly recent and is to
be encouraged but not if it messes up the abc of the original folk users. I
vote to change the !--! usage to *--* or some other unused symbol.

Ray

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Re: [abcusers] line-break again !!!! :)

[Ray Davies]

Dave Webber wrote

> I am not sure that (for example) !pp! or !ff! is a "minority" need
> in music.
>

I'm not saying that these things are not useful. I just think that the use
of "!" for two different purposes is a mistake.

I may be wrong but I think

- abc2win is used by more people than the abc2ps family (my only evidence is
asking around.)

- there are more files using "!" for a linebreak than for a !---! command.

- abc2win was the first program to use the "!"


Ray



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Re: [abcusers] line-break again !!!! :)

[Ray Davies]

Irwin Oppenheim says

> This whole issue is not something to get very upset or
> excited about.
>
> I don't really understand why this thread is still
> going on...
>

My take on the subject is

Most of the musicians I know who use abc

1) are not members of this list.
2) are not computer programmers
3) do not know how to alter faulty abc files.
4) would not know how to use command driven programs.
5) use ABC2WIN to display the abc as score (I once met a banjo player who
liked Muse because you can produce tablature.)

If this small sample is representative of the rest of the world then any
files produced using the !! format is going to puzzle a lot of people.

Remember the original use of abc is to share simple folk tunes on computer
systems, the idea of using it as a typesetting program came later, is a
minority facility and should not be allowed to mess up existing material.

Ray


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[abcusers] Queen of Sheba

[Ray Davies]

Has anyone got the abc for the "Arrival of the 
Queen of Sheba". I've started to type it but it occurs to me that it might 
already exist.
 
Thanks
 
Ray
 

Re: [abcusers] abc in web pages

[Ray Davies]

John Chambers wrote

> But then, some abc sites have disappeared.  In a few cases,
> I do wish I'd nabbed a copy first.

Do you remember the sites or the filenames? Maybe someone has them sitting
on their harddrive.

Ray

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Re: [abcusers] Musicians and techies

[Ray Davies]

Jon Freeman writes

> So there's a world plot is there?  I thought it was just the UK government
> who have new laws for public entertaiment in England and Wales.
>
> One aspect of it is that although the licence costs no more if you want
live
> entertainment, you have to state it on your application and have an annual
> inspection and could face £1,000s in terms of improvement.
>
> This is done in the name of noise and saftey (although existing laws could
> be applied)  but things like playing recorded music or showing a soccer on
> wide screen tv  are exempted even though they can be more noisey, a
football
> match on tv can draw more people into a pub than a few accousitic folk
> musicians, etc.
>
> I fear that many pubs will not ask for live entertainment to avoid hassle
> and I fear for the future of our music.  I'm also quite disgusted with the
> way the law gives unfair advantage to those already with power and money.

There's an article about this at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,883633,00.html

Also there's a petition at
http://www.petitiononline.com/2inabar/petition.html


Ray


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Re: [abcusers] Music Notation

[Ray Davies]

To Gerry McCartney

Just a point.  Any ABC written "A"a"B"b etc. will play as chords on most
player programs and will sound pretty strange.
But I guess you just want a print-out so it won't matter.

Ray Davies



>Took your advice and put the text *before* the note. All is
> now sweetness and light. It works a treat albeit somewhat cumbersome. What
> I've done, to try to cut down on the extra typing,  is to write "A"
through
> "G" (using them as templates) a couple of blank lines below the tune and
> copy 'n' paste each letter into its place. When the page is drawn you can
> spot any omissions, correct them then delete the templates. Thanks again.
>
> Gerry McCartney
>




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[abcusers] Ryan's Collection

[Ray Davies]

John Chambers

Do you still need volunteers to type in abcs from Ryan's Collection?

Ray Davies


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Re: [abcusers] Action against spam, was: KAMPANYALARINIZ iCiN, MUHTESEM KAMPANYA.!!-

[Ray Davies]

Yes, please stop the spam.

Thanks

Ray Davies


- Original Message -
From: Atte Andre Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: abcusers mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 7:04 AM
Subject: [abcusers] Action against spam, was: KAMPANYALARINIZ iCiN, MUHTESEM
KAMPANYA.!!-


Here we go again... Tony?? Are you out there?

Anyways seems this is leading nowhere, and since I don't know the exactly
correct way of handling this Í propose the following:

1) Let's "vote" about what the opinion is with spam. Do you think it's a
good idea that only subscribers can post here.

2) When that's done and assuming the majority "votes" "yes", I'll Toby a
mail to take the necessary actions.
--
love, peace & harmony
Atte

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