Re: [abcusers] chords for O'Neill?
Frank Norberg wrote: > Not yet. That is, there are individual tunes from > the O'Neill collection with chords all over the web, > but nobody has yet taken the job to add chords to > everything. Thanks. I don't suppose there are any web indexes indicating which abc versions of individual songs actually have chords, and where to find them? I do appreciate the labor involved in getting the chordless versions out there, by the way. A monumental achievement. - Matt To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] chords for O'Neill?
John Chambers wrote: > > Yeah, but what I want to know is when the SvenskaLåtarProject > will get underway. Hey, Frank; whaddaya think? > > (I do have copies of a few of the books. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't > be the right person to type in the text, just the tunes.) Count me out. I'm Norwegian an the Swedish are our bitter enemies ;-) Seriously, I don't think I have time for such a project at the moment. I have to finnish this folkband stuff, me and a few friends are founding a brand new music store up here right now, for some weird reason my poor students want me to give them lessons every now and then, I have some serious updating of Musica Viva coming up... Besides, if ever I have time for any big abc projects again, I have the Bach chorals, the Anna Magdalena Bach notebook and Lindeman's collection of Norwegian traditional music waiting in line. Frank To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] chords for O'Neill?
Thank you John... It just didn't occur to me to go to the parent directory of abc. I see now a bit better how your site is organized. At 08:02 PM 3/5/02, John Chambers wrote: >Don wrote: >| Am I to gather from the above quote that there is a collection of ABC files >| for the "O'Neill" project(s) at John Chambers' site? If so, I can't seem >| to locate them as such. Perhaps they have been disseminated into the >| overall/greater tune collection? > >http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/book/oneills/ > > >To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: >http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] chords for O'Neill?
Don wrote: | Am I to gather from the above quote that there is a collection of ABC files | for the "O'Neill" project(s) at John Chambers' site? If so, I can't seem | to locate them as such. Perhaps they have been disseminated into the | overall/greater tune collection? http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/book/oneills/ To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] chords for O'Neill?
At 02:23 PM 3/5/02, Frank Nordberg wrote:
>For the benefit of recent subscribers to abcusers, here's a short
>outline of the history of the O'Neill projects:
>A group of people lead (eventually) by John Chambers made a joint effort
>to transcribe O'Neill's "Music of Ireland" ("O'Neill's 1850"). While
>that work was in progress, me and Paul Kinder transcribed "Dance Music
>of Ireland" ("O'Neill's 1001") and "Waifs and Strays" respectively.
>The three projects was originally independent of each other, but
>eventually ended up as a big "O'Neill" project at John Chamber's site
>(soon to be mirrored at Musica Viva).
New subscriber (and new ABC user for that matter) would be an accurate
description for me. Still trying to get my feet on the ground, but I am
making progress. I have gathered some suitable software thanks to some
earlier help from members of this list and the truly excellent tutorial
sites. I find ABC a fascinating concept... Not a unique feeling on this
list I am sure :-)
Am I to gather from the above quote that there is a collection of ABC files
for the "O'Neill" project(s) at John Chambers' site? If so, I can't seem
to locate them as such. Perhaps they have been disseminated into the
overall/greater tune collection?
Regards,
Don
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Re: [abcusers] chords for O'Neill?
Joe Mc Cool wrote: | John Chambers writes: | | > I should point out that Dan Beimborn was the prime mover in this | > project. I transcribed a few hundred tunes, and then took it off | > Dan's hands when he lost his original web space. But Dan should get | > the credit for making it happen in the first place. | | Irrespective of who did it, I would like to thank you all very much | indeed. It is a tremendous resource and really quite invaluable. | | Thank you again. Yeah, but what I want to know is when the SvenskaLåtarProject will get underway. Hey, Frank; whaddaya think? (I do have copies of a few of the books. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be the right person to type in the text, just the tunes.) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] chords for O'Neill?
John Chambers writes: > I should point out that Dan Beimborn was the prime mover in this > project. I transcribed a few hundred tunes, and then took it off > Dan's hands when he lost his original web space. But Dan should get > the credit for making it happen in the first place. Irrespective of who did it, I would like to thank you all very much indeed. It is a tremendous resource and really quite invaluable. Thank you again. Joe Mc Cool More power to yer elbows :-) (Or, should I say keyboards!) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] chords for O'Neill?
Frank Nordberg writes:
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| >
| > Are there any abc archives out there which indicate what chords to play for tunes
|from the O'Neill books?
|
...
| For the benefit of recent subscribers to abcusers, here's a short
| outline of the history of the O'Neill projects:
| A group of people lead (eventually) by John Chambers made a joint effort
I should point out that Dan Beimborn was the prime mover in this
project. I transcribed a few hundred tunes, and then took it off
Dan's hands when he lost his original web space. But Dan should get
the credit for making it happen in the first place.
| to transcribe O'Neill's "Music of Ireland" ("O'Neill's 1850"). While
| that work was in progress, me and Paul Kinder transcribed "Dance Music
| of Ireland" ("O'Neill's 1001") and "Waifs and Strays" respectively.
| The three projects was originally independent of each other, but
| eventually ended up as a big "O'Neill" project at John Chamber's site
| (soon to be mirrored at Musica Viva).
Mirroring is a good idea. Of course, it makes fixing typos harder,
but it increases availability.
| All the O'Neill ABCs are basically "urtext", that is they include the
| tunes the way O'Neill published them with as little as possible added or omitted.
Yup; this was a clear policy from the start. O"Neill didn't always
use the best notation. He sometimes got the key signature wrong, for
example, using classical major/minor signatures and accidentals to
get the proper mode. But that doesn't really matter. His books are
historical documents, and really shouldn't be corrected.
OTOH, there has been occasional discussion of an O'Neill's Version 2
that would correct problems and maybe even include (simple) chords.
| The next logical step would, of course, be to create a critical edition
| of all three collections. That is easier said than done, though, partly
| because of the sheer volume of music (3186 ABCs!), but also because of
| the responsibility the editor(s) would have to accept. There's lots of
| ambiguity in the O'Neill books and who's got the nerve and right to
| claim that his or her interpretation is the "correct" one?
This would indeed be a LOT of work. Chords in particular are a
problem, because there are so many alternatives. If I were to do it,
I'd probably insist on giving really simple, basic chords. Musicians
can always add in fancier chords themselves, of course.
But I suspect that it'll only happen the way it's happening now. You
can grab a tune from the collection and make your own version with
things like chords. Lots of people have done this.
The main things that I'd like to see in an extended release are the
alternate titles, plus the B and D header fields. A lot of this info
is in the Fiddler's Companion site (http://www.ceolas.org/tunes/fc/).
But extracting such information and putting it into ABC header form
could take a bit of work.
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Re: [abcusers] chords for O'Neill?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Are there any abc archives out there which indicate what chords to play for tunes
>from the O'Neill books?
Not yet. That is, there are individual tunes from the O'Neill collection
with chords all over the web, but nobody has yet taken the job to add
chords to everything.
For the benefit of recent subscribers to abcusers, here's a short
outline of the history of the O'Neill projects:
A group of people lead (eventually) by John Chambers made a joint effort
to transcribe O'Neill's "Music of Ireland" ("O'Neill's 1850"). While
that work was in progress, me and Paul Kinder transcribed "Dance Music
of Ireland" ("O'Neill's 1001") and "Waifs and Strays" respectively.
The three projects was originally independent of each other, but
eventually ended up as a big "O'Neill" project at John Chamber's site
(soon to be mirrored at Musica Viva).
All the O'Neill ABCs are basically "urtext", that is they include the
tunes the way O'Neill published them with as little as possible added or omitted.
The next logical step would, of course, be to create a critical edition
of all three collections. That is easier said than done, though, partly
because of the sheer volume of music (3186 ABCs!), but also because of
the responsibility the editor(s) would have to accept. There's lots of
ambiguity in the O'Neill books and who's got the nerve and right to
claim that his or her interpretation is the "correct" one?
Frank Nordberg
http://www.musicaviva.com
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Are there any abc archives out there which indicate what chords to play for tunes from the O'Neill books? - Matt To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
