Re: [AI] Skype for business

[Swati Sinha]

Hello,
Yes, Skype for business is pretty accessible with both JAWS and NVDA.
But at times, , while joining in a meeting through skype for business
is bit tricky as the "join online button" does not get activated with
an enter key. (Remember this happens rare and not always).



On 6/7/17, Pranay Gadodia  wrote:
> Hi all,
> Shortly I will have to use Skype for business at my workplace.
>
> Would like to know if any of you use it with Jaws/NVDA, is it accessible
> straight out-of-the-box, or we need any scripts. I use latest NVDA, Jaws 16
> and Jaws 18 on a windows 7 machine.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Pranay.
>
>
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Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa]

If they have an official policy of not giving loan to physically
disabled, why they can't share it in public domain? Basically they
don't have any such policy in their rule book. They don't have the
courage to do so. Its their non official policy of relegating the
physically disabled to third class citizens.
Its high time that we should collectively hit at their backbone and
change the things forever.
My suggestion is that we all physically disabled, whoever is in need
of any finance, should approach Bajaj Finserve for the same. Myself is
thinking of purchasing a laptop. Am definitely going to find out their
operation in my city.
One can easily break a stick. But when many sticks are bind together
instead of the sticks being broken the one who tries to break will be
broken.

warmly
Leikhu Laishram

On 6/7/17, Amit Patel  wrote:
> I have been using bajaj finance card for purchasing laptop, mobile
> etc. for long.
> Perhaps they didn’t know about my disability while issuing card.
> But last year I got call from bajaj for personal loan and at that time
> I wanted it so I applied but they denied after doing all the formality
> on the ground of disability.
> Was busy so didn’t do anything at that time.
>
> On 6/7/17, sazid shaik  wrote:
>> Dear friends,
>> I am pasting their mail which they send to my mail id.
>>
>> Dear Sazid,
>> Greetings from Bajaj Finserv!
>> We regret the inconvenience that has been caused and appreciate your
>> understanding and patience.
>> With reference to your email and the discussion we had on 9493235007,
>> we regret to inform you that the as per the company policy we are not
>> able to provide loan to the physically disabled.
>> Further as requested by you the email id for the next level of
>> escalation is customerexperienceh...@bajajfinserv.in
>> Assuring you of our best services always.
>> Regards,
>> Grievance Redressal
>> Bajaj Finserv
>>
>> On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>>> Thanks Abhishek  for sharing. Are there any others  ?
>>> Kanchan
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Surinder
>>> Sent: 06 June 2017 15:14
>>> To: emailtotha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
>>> accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>>
>>> After the arrival of the police, did they  agree to sanction the loan to
>>> you?
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Mr Abhishek Thakur" 
>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled." 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 2:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>>
>>>
 Dear all
 Greetings!
 My experience with Bajaj:
 They denied financing me the washing machine and refrigerator. They
 told me that they cannot finance disable person. Same thing I did, I
 asked written policy from the person. He told me that he can’t give me
 the same as it was not available with him at the moment. I requested
 him to get in email from his head office and show me the policy. He
 told me that he will not finance me.
 I called 100 numbers after some time police came in the shop. I
 explained everything to the police. The police was convince with my
 arguments and told him to finance me.
 I think this is not a local issue. Something must be done to teach the
 lesson to this company

 Regards,

 On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> Rajesh,
> First we went through the Chief General Manager and the Department of
> supervision and then by the time we reached the DG we had tired the
> RBI into understanding our problem.
> This particular matter can be escalated and then lets see if we need
> a circular or guidelines.
> Lets hope it gets resolved at the local level.
> I will of course write to the Chairman of the company.
> Kanchan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 06 June 2017 12:06
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>
> Yes, of course.
> Local and whimsical issue.
>
> Ideally, RBI should issue a non-discrimination circular for NBFCs on
> the lines of banks, but who will persuade them?
> Any present deputy governors your neighbours like in olden times?
> Smile.
>
> I am writing to DNBR, let us see!!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
> 

Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Well, CCPD never receives any mails!!

Police won't help either.
Banking ombudsman is for banks.
You may file a complaint with their head office, and if they do not remedy the 
issue, then approach
Department of non-banking regulation
RBI
At cgmdnb...@rbi.org.in
Or customer service department
At
khanolkars  @rbi.org.in






-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
sazid shaik
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:39 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

Dear list,
Can you please tell me to whom I should approach regarding this.
Shall I file a complaint against them in police?  I had sent a mail to
ccpd regarding this.

Can anyone take this issue and knock in the court of law?

thanks and regards,
sazid

On 6/7/17, sazid shaik  wrote:
> their contact no is
> +912030192100
>
> On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
>> Can you share a contact number of the person you are dealing with? I
>> would
>> like to talk to him or her.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>> +91-9900810881
>> Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.
>>
>>> On 07-Jun-2017, at 12:59, sazid shaik  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear friends, rejecting loan for disabled is not local concern it is a
>>> policy of this company.
>>>
>>> Just now also I got a call from bajaj head office, they told me that
>>> on the grounds of my disability they are rejecting my loan.  They gave
>>> a suggestion that I can avail loan on my family members.  I asked them
>>> to share their policy for not issuing loan for disabled.  they told
>>> they won't share.
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>> sazid.
>>>
 On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
 Unless we raise our issues or report such things, no one would address.
 There is nothing called logical end. First I doubt if Bajaj Finserv
 really
 has such policy. If so, it could have been applied everywhere

 So our first approach has to be compile a few such cases where
 application
 was rejected only due to disability, and share that with management of
 the
 company.

 Regards,
 Srinivasu Chakravarthula
 +91-9900810881
 Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.

> On 07-Jun-2017, at 11:50, Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
>  wrote:
>
> Dear all
> Of course this issue could be a local one. But I'm sure, there are
> countless such unreported local ones faced by our blind and visually
> impaired fellow friends. Everyone doesn't have the patience or
> attitude to raise this issues.
> Its time to do something to take these issues to a logical end.
>
> Regards
> Leikhu Laishram
>
>
>
>> On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>>
>> Rajesh, Have you seen a single investment which asks if you are
>> disabled?
>> There is no such question on the form and
>> Obviously not because there is no higher returns for the investments
>> of
>> the
>> Disabled.  for  - they are very happy to have my money.
>> Also from what I am reading on this list is that many visually
>> impaired
>> people  whose disability is apparent have been given loans. So this
>> seems
>> to
>> be a  local issue but needs to be dealt with strongly.
>> K
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Asudani, Rajesh
>> Sent: 05 June 2017 17:33
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>
>> Many a times, loan documents will not contain your disability
>> certificate.
>> They don't ask, and we don't tail.
>> Whether kanchan has declared her disability while depositing with
>> them,
>> I
>> don't know.
>> Probably not.
>>
>> RBI should, ideally, on the lines of banks, issue instructions to
>> NBFCs
>> for
>> non-discrimination.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Austin Pinto
>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 3:30 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>
>> its time to nail them.
>> i think for the people who have successfully got loans from them tell
>> them
>> to scan their loan related documents and then lets make a patition to
>> change.org or go to consumer forum
>>
>>> On 6/5/17, Asudani, Rajesh 

Re: [AI] Fwd: {Disability Studies India} Call for Contributions: Cafe Dissensus September 2017, 'Narrating Care'

[Shilpaa Anand]

Glad to hear this Rajesh. Looking forward to receiving entries that will
reflect on the complexity of care issues.
warm regards,
Shilpaa

On 7 June 2017 at 12:14, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:

> A very good topic, Shilpaa.
>
> Many a times, receiving care degenerates into receiving life secondhand.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of Shilpaa Anand
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:44 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: [AI] Fwd: {Disability Studies India} Call for Contributions: Cafe
> Dissensus September 2017, 'Narrating Care'
>
> Call for essays:
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: *Shilpaa Anand* 
> Date: Tuesday, 6 June 2017
> Subject: {Disability Studies India} Call for Contributions: Cafe Dissensus
> September 2017, 'Narrating Care'
> To: "disability-studies-in...@googlegroups.com" <
> disability-studies-in...@googlegroups.com>
>
>
> *Issue 39: September 2017: **Narrating Care: Disability and Interdependence
> in the Indian Context [Last date for submission: 20 July, 2017; Date of
> publication: 15 September, 2017]*
>
> *Guest-Editors:* Dr. Nandini Ghosh, IDSK & Dr. Shilpaa Anand, MANUU
>
> *Concept Note: *Care-giving and care-receiving are complex experiences that
> are only beginning to draw the attention of scholars and researchers
> working in the fields of social medicine, disability studies and medical
> anthropology. Care-giving, however, has appropriately been recognized as an
> important theme of research by the women’s studies discourse, focusing
> primarily on women as care-givers in contexts where care-giving becomes
> invisible or is considered part of traditional gendered roles. What has
> remained relatively unfamiliar, so also unknown, is the epistemic
> perspective of recipients of care. The concept of care has, in the last few
> decades, been problematized as ‘taking responsibility for’ people, who are
> assumed to need caring as they are unable to exert choice and/or control.
> Scholars have questioned the emphasis on independence and choice, for many
> persons with disabilities for whom both cognitive function as well as
> physical abilities may be highly circumscribed. While care highlights the
> concept of dependency, it also points to power dynamics within the
> carer-cared relationship. Care recipients are assumed to be subordinate to
> the caregiver, as s/he cannot perform daily activities for her/himself and
> that, as a result, makes the person become dependent on the caregiver. The
> risk of losing one’s human (and civil) rights has remained higher for those
> requiring greater levels of care, given that economic security, safety and
> dignity are threatened when individuals find themselves increasingly
> dependent on others (as many people with disabilities do) for personal care
> and formal as well as informal decision-making.
>
> ‘Interdependence’, consequently, has emerged as a key concept. It has
> become significant to recognize that, for disabled people independence is
> not so much about self-sufficiency as it is about equity, empowerment,
> choice, and control over their own lives. Defining care as an
> interdependent relationship also enables us to consider the vulnerabilities
> of the care-giver whose role may be devalued or dominated in certain
> contexts. Focusing on interdependence additionally animates reflections on
> mutually affective bonds that connect, knot, fasten, embrace, or fetter two
> people simultaneously.
>
> Given that, in the Indian context, notions of care are subsumed within
> familial and communitarian ethics rather than in institutionalized
> settings, questions of care-giving and receiving require greater and closer
> examination. The paradoxes of such relationships become more complicated
> when we consider the intersection of multiple identities. Shared as well as
> normative understandings of caste rules, religious and cultural practices
> shape and govern the everydayness of care practices.  In India, the family
> emerges as the primary site for not only care but also management of
> impairment. In such a context, caring and receiving care become conflicting
> experiences located at the cusps of in enabling/constraining relationships,
> often crafted by, love/duty curiously unaware of agency/dependence.
>
> The proposed issue of *Café Dissensus* invites narratives of care from
> receivers and givers in the form of written and graphic texts, photo essays
> as well as video and audio entries. We are interested in descriptions that
> give primacy to receivers of care while also not making invisible
> experiences of care givers. Your entries may be of 1500 words in length (in
> case of written entries) and emailed to Nandini Ghosh (*
> nandinigh...@gmail.com
> *) or 

Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Yes, should help to talk directly to concerned persons.
However, Amar, 2012 circular dated September 5
was also issued to banks
Do you have any other circular in mind?

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Amar Jain
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:26 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

Did you show the 2012 Circular which was issued specifically to NBFCs? Lets 
talk on Sunday, lets reach out straight to management level, including credit 
operations. Also do you have credit card or any other credit which gets 
captured in CIBIL?

My number is 9892622230.

Regards,
Amar Jain

Sent from my iPhone

> On 08-Jun-2017, at 7:39 AM, sazid shaik  wrote:
>
> Dear list,
> Can you please tell me to whom I should approach regarding this.
> Shall I file a complaint against them in police?  I had sent a mail to
> ccpd regarding this.
>
> Can anyone take this issue and knock in the court of law?
>
> thanks and regards,
> sazid
>
>> On 6/7/17, sazid shaik  wrote:
>> their contact no is
>> +912030192100
>>
>>> On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
>>> Can you share a contact number of the person you are dealing with? I
>>> would
>>> like to talk to him or her.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>> +91-9900810881
>>> Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.
>>>
 On 07-Jun-2017, at 12:59, sazid shaik  wrote:

 Dear friends, rejecting loan for disabled is not local concern it is a
 policy of this company.

 Just now also I got a call from bajaj head office, they told me that
 on the grounds of my disability they are rejecting my loan.  They gave
 a suggestion that I can avail loan on my family members.  I asked them
 to share their policy for not issuing loan for disabled.  they told
 they won't share.

 Thanks and regards,
 sazid.

> On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
> Unless we raise our issues or report such things, no one would address.
> There is nothing called logical end. First I doubt if Bajaj Finserv
> really
> has such policy. If so, it could have been applied everywhere
>
> So our first approach has to be compile a few such cases where
> application
> was rejected only due to disability, and share that with management of
> the
> company.
>
> Regards,
> Srinivasu Chakravarthula
> +91-9900810881
> Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.
>
>> On 07-Jun-2017, at 11:50, Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Dear all
>> Of course this issue could be a local one. But I'm sure, there are
>> countless such unreported local ones faced by our blind and visually
>> impaired fellow friends. Everyone doesn't have the patience or
>> attitude to raise this issues.
>> Its time to do something to take these issues to a logical end.
>>
>> Regards
>> Leikhu Laishram
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>>>
>>> Rajesh, Have you seen a single investment which asks if you are
>>> disabled?
>>> There is no such question on the form and
>>> Obviously not because there is no higher returns for the investments
>>> of
>>> the
>>> Disabled.  for  - they are very happy to have my money.
>>> Also from what I am reading on this list is that many visually
>>> impaired
>>> people  whose disability is apparent have been given loans. So this
>>> seems
>>> to
>>> be a  local issue but needs to be dealt with strongly.
>>> K
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>> Sent: 05 June 2017 17:33
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>>
>>> Many a times, loan documents will not contain your disability
>>> certificate.
>>> They don't ask, and we don't tail.
>>> Whether kanchan has declared her disability while depositing with
>>> them,
>>> I
>>> don't know.
>>> Probably not.
>>>
>>> RBI should, ideally, on the lines of banks, issue instructions to
>>> NBFCs
>>> for
>>> non-discrimination.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Austin Pinto
>>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 3:30 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> 

Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[Mr Abhishek Thakur]

Dear friends
Can we file case against this company in CCPD?
If yes then please guide.
Please discuss and come up with strategy to work in this regard.
I am sure there are many NBFCs in India that are discriminating with
our community.
Thanks and Regards,
Abhishek


On 6/7/17, Amar Jain  wrote:
> Did you show the 2012 Circular which was issued specifically to NBFCs? Lets
> talk on Sunday, lets reach out straight to management level, including
> credit operations. Also do you have credit card or any other credit which
> gets captured in CIBIL?
>
> My number is 9892622230.
>
> Regards,
> Amar Jain
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 08-Jun-2017, at 7:39 AM, sazid shaik 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear list,
>> Can you please tell me to whom I should approach regarding this.
>> Shall I file a complaint against them in police?  I had sent a mail to
>> ccpd regarding this.
>>
>> Can anyone take this issue and knock in the court of law?
>>
>> thanks and regards,
>> sazid
>>
>>> On 6/7/17, sazid shaik  wrote:
>>> their contact no is
>>> +912030192100
>>>
 On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
 Can you share a contact number of the person you are dealing with? I
 would
 like to talk to him or her.

 Regards,
 Srinivasu Chakravarthula
 +91-9900810881
 Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.

> On 07-Jun-2017, at 12:59, sazid shaik 
> wrote:
>
> Dear friends, rejecting loan for disabled is not local concern it is a
> policy of this company.
>
> Just now also I got a call from bajaj head office, they told me that
> on the grounds of my disability they are rejecting my loan.  They gave
> a suggestion that I can avail loan on my family members.  I asked them
> to share their policy for not issuing loan for disabled.  they told
> they won't share.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> sazid.
>
>> On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
>> Unless we raise our issues or report such things, no one would
>> address.
>> There is nothing called logical end. First I doubt if Bajaj Finserv
>> really
>> has such policy. If so, it could have been applied everywhere
>>
>> So our first approach has to be compile a few such cases where
>> application
>> was rejected only due to disability, and share that with management
>> of
>> the
>> company.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>> +91-9900810881
>> Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.
>>
>>> On 07-Jun-2017, at 11:50, Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all
>>> Of course this issue could be a local one. But I'm sure, there are
>>> countless such unreported local ones faced by our blind and visually
>>> impaired fellow friends. Everyone doesn't have the patience or
>>> attitude to raise this issues.
>>> Its time to do something to take these issues to a logical end.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Leikhu Laishram
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:

 Rajesh, Have you seen a single investment which asks if you are
 disabled?
 There is no such question on the form and
 Obviously not because there is no higher returns for the
 investments
 of
 the
 Disabled.  for  - they are very happy to have my money.
 Also from what I am reading on this list is that many visually
 impaired
 people  whose disability is apparent have been given loans. So this
 seems
 to
 be a  local issue but needs to be dealt with strongly.
 K
 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
 On
 Behalf
 Of Asudani, Rajesh
 Sent: 05 June 2017 17:33
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

 Many a times, loan documents will not contain your disability
 certificate.
 They don't ask, and we don't tail.
 Whether kanchan has declared her disability while depositing with
 them,
 I
 don't know.
 Probably not.

 RBI should, ideally, on the lines of banks, issue instructions to
 NBFCs
 for
 non-discrimination.


 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
 On
 Behalf
 Of Austin Pinto
 Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 3:30 PM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning

Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[Amar Jain]

Did you show the 2012 Circular which was issued specifically to NBFCs? Lets 
talk on Sunday, lets reach out straight to management level, including credit 
operations. Also do you have credit card or any other credit which gets 
captured in CIBIL?

My number is 9892622230.

Regards,
Amar Jain

Sent from my iPhone

> On 08-Jun-2017, at 7:39 AM, sazid shaik  wrote:
> 
> Dear list,
> Can you please tell me to whom I should approach regarding this.
> Shall I file a complaint against them in police?  I had sent a mail to
> ccpd regarding this.
> 
> Can anyone take this issue and knock in the court of law?
> 
> thanks and regards,
> sazid
> 
>> On 6/7/17, sazid shaik  wrote:
>> their contact no is
>> +912030192100
>> 
>>> On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
>>> Can you share a contact number of the person you are dealing with? I
>>> would
>>> like to talk to him or her.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>> +91-9900810881
>>> Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.
>>> 
 On 07-Jun-2017, at 12:59, sazid shaik  wrote:
 
 Dear friends, rejecting loan for disabled is not local concern it is a
 policy of this company.
 
 Just now also I got a call from bajaj head office, they told me that
 on the grounds of my disability they are rejecting my loan.  They gave
 a suggestion that I can avail loan on my family members.  I asked them
 to share their policy for not issuing loan for disabled.  they told
 they won't share.
 
 Thanks and regards,
 sazid.
 
> On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
> Unless we raise our issues or report such things, no one would address.
> There is nothing called logical end. First I doubt if Bajaj Finserv
> really
> has such policy. If so, it could have been applied everywhere
> 
> So our first approach has to be compile a few such cases where
> application
> was rejected only due to disability, and share that with management of
> the
> company.
> 
> Regards,
> Srinivasu Chakravarthula
> +91-9900810881
> Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.
> 
>> On 07-Jun-2017, at 11:50, Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all
>> Of course this issue could be a local one. But I'm sure, there are
>> countless such unreported local ones faced by our blind and visually
>> impaired fellow friends. Everyone doesn't have the patience or
>> attitude to raise this issues.
>> Its time to do something to take these issues to a logical end.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Leikhu Laishram
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Rajesh, Have you seen a single investment which asks if you are
>>> disabled?
>>> There is no such question on the form and
>>> Obviously not because there is no higher returns for the investments
>>> of
>>> the
>>> Disabled.  for  - they are very happy to have my money.
>>> Also from what I am reading on this list is that many visually
>>> impaired
>>> people  whose disability is apparent have been given loans. So this
>>> seems
>>> to
>>> be a  local issue but needs to be dealt with strongly.
>>> K
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>> Sent: 05 June 2017 17:33
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>> 
>>> Many a times, loan documents will not contain your disability
>>> certificate.
>>> They don't ask, and we don't tail.
>>> Whether kanchan has declared her disability while depositing with
>>> them,
>>> I
>>> don't know.
>>> Probably not.
>>> 
>>> RBI should, ideally, on the lines of banks, issue instructions to
>>> NBFCs
>>> for
>>> non-discrimination.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Austin Pinto
>>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 3:30 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>> 
>>> its time to nail them.
>>> i think for the people who have successfully got loans from them tell
>>> them
>>> to scan their loan related documents and then lets make a patition to
>>> change.org or go to consumer forum
>>> 
 On 6/5/17, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
 I have written to their customer care to send in the 

Re: [AI] Skype for business

[Amar Jain]

Nothing exceptional in Skype for Business which would be of concern from work 
perspective. Lets talk if you face issues.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 07-Jun-2017, at 11:21 PM, Sameer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Pranay,
> 
> Skype for business is accessible with JAWS. It is similar to regular Skype.
> 
> Regards
> Mr. Sameer Latey
> Mumbai, India
> -Original Message- From: Pranay Gadodia
> Sent: 07 June, 2017 10:49 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
> the disabled.'
> Subject: [AI] Skype for business
> 
> Hi all,
> Shortly I will have to use Skype for business at my workplace.
> 
> Would like to know if any of you use it with Jaws/NVDA, is it accessible
> straight out-of-the-box, or we need any scripts. I use latest NVDA, Jaws 16
> and Jaws 18 on a windows 7 machine.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
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Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[sazid shaik]

Dear list,
Can you please tell me to whom I should approach regarding this.
Shall I file a complaint against them in police?  I had sent a mail to
ccpd regarding this.

Can anyone take this issue and knock in the court of law?

thanks and regards,
sazid

On 6/7/17, sazid shaik  wrote:
> their contact no is
> +912030192100
>
> On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
>> Can you share a contact number of the person you are dealing with? I
>> would
>> like to talk to him or her.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>> +91-9900810881
>> Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.
>>
>>> On 07-Jun-2017, at 12:59, sazid shaik  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear friends, rejecting loan for disabled is not local concern it is a
>>> policy of this company.
>>>
>>> Just now also I got a call from bajaj head office, they told me that
>>> on the grounds of my disability they are rejecting my loan.  They gave
>>> a suggestion that I can avail loan on my family members.  I asked them
>>> to share their policy for not issuing loan for disabled.  they told
>>> they won't share.
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>> sazid.
>>>
 On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
 Unless we raise our issues or report such things, no one would address.
 There is nothing called logical end. First I doubt if Bajaj Finserv
 really
 has such policy. If so, it could have been applied everywhere

 So our first approach has to be compile a few such cases where
 application
 was rejected only due to disability, and share that with management of
 the
 company.

 Regards,
 Srinivasu Chakravarthula
 +91-9900810881
 Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.

> On 07-Jun-2017, at 11:50, Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
>  wrote:
>
> Dear all
> Of course this issue could be a local one. But I'm sure, there are
> countless such unreported local ones faced by our blind and visually
> impaired fellow friends. Everyone doesn't have the patience or
> attitude to raise this issues.
> Its time to do something to take these issues to a logical end.
>
> Regards
> Leikhu Laishram
>
>
>
>> On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>>
>> Rajesh, Have you seen a single investment which asks if you are
>> disabled?
>> There is no such question on the form and
>> Obviously not because there is no higher returns for the investments
>> of
>> the
>> Disabled.  for  - they are very happy to have my money.
>> Also from what I am reading on this list is that many visually
>> impaired
>> people  whose disability is apparent have been given loans. So this
>> seems
>> to
>> be a  local issue but needs to be dealt with strongly.
>> K
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Asudani, Rajesh
>> Sent: 05 June 2017 17:33
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>
>> Many a times, loan documents will not contain your disability
>> certificate.
>> They don't ask, and we don't tail.
>> Whether kanchan has declared her disability while depositing with
>> them,
>> I
>> don't know.
>> Probably not.
>>
>> RBI should, ideally, on the lines of banks, issue instructions to
>> NBFCs
>> for
>> non-discrimination.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Austin Pinto
>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 3:30 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>
>> its time to nail them.
>> i think for the people who have successfully got loans from them tell
>> them
>> to scan their loan related documents and then lets make a patition to
>> change.org or go to consumer forum
>>
>>> On 6/5/17, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>>> I have written to their customer care to send in the policy to my
>>> RBI
>>> e mail.
>>> Let us see if they send.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 12:47 PM
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>>
>>> Hi
>>> Please give me your telephone no.
>>> Its quite interesting. I 

Re: [AI] Skype for business

[B. R. Nautial]

If you are using the latest version of skype, then, you should have use the 
latest script too.

download the same:
http://www.dlee.org/skype/jfw-skr622b.exe
- Original Message - 
From: "Pranay Gadodia" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.'" 

Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 10:49 PM
Subject: [AI] Skype for business



Hi all,
Shortly I will have to use Skype for business at my workplace.

Would like to know if any of you use it with Jaws/NVDA, is it accessible
straight out-of-the-box, or we need any scripts. I use latest NVDA, Jaws 
16

and Jaws 18 on a windows 7 machine.

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[AI] want to find jeet aapaki in audio

[Navneet Dubey]

dear friends
can any body give me please the book jeet aapaki of writer shivkhera
in audio or daisy format.
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Re: [AI] Skype for business

[Sameer]

Dear Pranay,

Skype for business is accessible with JAWS. It is similar to regular Skype.

Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mumbai, India
-Original Message- 
From: Pranay Gadodia

Sent: 07 June, 2017 10:49 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.'

Subject: [AI] Skype for business

Hi all,
Shortly I will have to use Skype for business at my workplace.

Would like to know if any of you use it with Jaws/NVDA, is it accessible
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[AI] Skype for business

[Pranay Gadodia]

Hi all,
Shortly I will have to use Skype for business at my workplace. 

Would like to know if any of you use it with Jaws/NVDA, is it accessible
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[AI] suggest me

[Mansi]

Good evening to all!

Right now, I am using apple iPhone 5s. I want to go for android mobile 
phone to see whether I can use it or not. Therefore, can anybody suggest 
me android mobile between Rs. 5000-8000


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Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[sazid shaik]

their contact no is
+912030192100

On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
> Can you share a contact number of the person you are dealing with? I would
> like to talk to him or her.
>
> Regards,
> Srinivasu Chakravarthula
> +91-9900810881
> Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.
>
>> On 07-Jun-2017, at 12:59, sazid shaik  wrote:
>>
>> Dear friends, rejecting loan for disabled is not local concern it is a
>> policy of this company.
>>
>> Just now also I got a call from bajaj head office, they told me that
>> on the grounds of my disability they are rejecting my loan.  They gave
>> a suggestion that I can avail loan on my family members.  I asked them
>> to share their policy for not issuing loan for disabled.  they told
>> they won't share.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>> sazid.
>>
>>> On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
>>> Unless we raise our issues or report such things, no one would address.
>>> There is nothing called logical end. First I doubt if Bajaj Finserv
>>> really
>>> has such policy. If so, it could have been applied everywhere
>>>
>>> So our first approach has to be compile a few such cases where
>>> application
>>> was rejected only due to disability, and share that with management of
>>> the
>>> company.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>> +91-9900810881
>>> Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.
>>>
 On 07-Jun-2017, at 11:50, Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
  wrote:

 Dear all
 Of course this issue could be a local one. But I'm sure, there are
 countless such unreported local ones faced by our blind and visually
 impaired fellow friends. Everyone doesn't have the patience or
 attitude to raise this issues.
 Its time to do something to take these issues to a logical end.

 Regards
 Leikhu Laishram



> On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>
> Rajesh, Have you seen a single investment which asks if you are
> disabled?
> There is no such question on the form and
> Obviously not because there is no higher returns for the investments
> of
> the
> Disabled.  for  - they are very happy to have my money.
> Also from what I am reading on this list is that many visually
> impaired
> people  whose disability is apparent have been given loans. So this
> seems
> to
> be a  local issue but needs to be dealt with strongly.
> K
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 05 June 2017 17:33
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>
> Many a times, loan documents will not contain your disability
> certificate.
> They don't ask, and we don't tail.
> Whether kanchan has declared her disability while depositing with
> them,
> I
> don't know.
> Probably not.
>
> RBI should, ideally, on the lines of banks, issue instructions to
> NBFCs
> for
> non-discrimination.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Austin Pinto
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 3:30 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>
> its time to nail them.
> i think for the people who have successfully got loans from them tell
> them
> to scan their loan related documents and then lets make a patition to
> change.org or go to consumer forum
>
>> On 6/5/17, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>> I have written to their customer care to send in the policy to my RBI
>> e mail.
>> Let us see if they send.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 12:47 PM
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>
>> Hi
>> Please give me your telephone no.
>> Its quite interesting. I have given Bajaj a Fixed deposit. So
>> basically they accept money from the Disabled but wont give a
>> Disabled
>> a
> loan.
>> Maybe it is time to go to the press and make a noise about these
> attitudes.
>>
>> K
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of sazid shaik
>> Sent: 05 June 2017 12:10
>> To: 

Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[li...@srinivasu.org]

Can you share a contact number of the person you are dealing with? I would like 
to talk to him or her. 

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula
+91-9900810881
Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any. 

> On 07-Jun-2017, at 12:59, sazid shaik  wrote:
> 
> Dear friends, rejecting loan for disabled is not local concern it is a
> policy of this company.
> 
> Just now also I got a call from bajaj head office, they told me that
> on the grounds of my disability they are rejecting my loan.  They gave
> a suggestion that I can avail loan on my family members.  I asked them
> to share their policy for not issuing loan for disabled.  they told
> they won't share.
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> sazid.
> 
>> On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
>> Unless we raise our issues or report such things, no one would address.
>> There is nothing called logical end. First I doubt if Bajaj Finserv really
>> has such policy. If so, it could have been applied everywhere
>> 
>> So our first approach has to be compile a few such cases where application
>> was rejected only due to disability, and share that with management of the
>> company.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>> +91-9900810881
>> Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.
>> 
>>> On 07-Jun-2017, at 11:50, Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear all
>>> Of course this issue could be a local one. But I'm sure, there are
>>> countless such unreported local ones faced by our blind and visually
>>> impaired fellow friends. Everyone doesn't have the patience or
>>> attitude to raise this issues.
>>> Its time to do something to take these issues to a logical end.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Leikhu Laishram
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
 
 Rajesh, Have you seen a single investment which asks if you are
 disabled?
 There is no such question on the form and
 Obviously not because there is no higher returns for the investments of
 the
 Disabled.  for  - they are very happy to have my money.
 Also from what I am reading on this list is that many visually impaired
 people  whose disability is apparent have been given loans. So this
 seems
 to
 be a  local issue but needs to be dealt with strongly.
 K
 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Asudani, Rajesh
 Sent: 05 June 2017 17:33
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
 
 Many a times, loan documents will not contain your disability
 certificate.
 They don't ask, and we don't tail.
 Whether kanchan has declared her disability while depositing with them,
 I
 don't know.
 Probably not.
 
 RBI should, ideally, on the lines of banks, issue instructions to NBFCs
 for
 non-discrimination.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Austin Pinto
 Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 3:30 PM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
 
 its time to nail them.
 i think for the people who have successfully got loans from them tell
 them
 to scan their loan related documents and then lets make a patition to
 change.org or go to consumer forum
 
> On 6/5/17, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> I have written to their customer care to send in the policy to my RBI
> e mail.
> Let us see if they send.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 12:47 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
> 
> Hi
> Please give me your telephone no.
> Its quite interesting. I have given Bajaj a Fixed deposit. So
> basically they accept money from the Disabled but wont give a Disabled
> a
 loan.
> Maybe it is time to go to the press and make a noise about these
 attitudes.
> 
> K
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of sazid shaik
> Sent: 05 June 2017 12:10
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
> 
> Dear friends,
> Yesterday atlast I got a call from bajaj telling me that there is a
> company policy that it won't give loan to physically challenged
> 

Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[sazid shaik]

Dear friends, rejecting loan for disabled is not local concern it is a
policy of this company.

Just now also I got a call from bajaj head office, they told me that
on the grounds of my disability they are rejecting my loan.  They gave
a suggestion that I can avail loan on my family members.  I asked them
to share their policy for not issuing loan for disabled.  they told
they won't share.

Thanks and regards,
sazid.

On 6/7/17, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
> Unless we raise our issues or report such things, no one would address.
> There is nothing called logical end. First I doubt if Bajaj Finserv really
> has such policy. If so, it could have been applied everywhere
>
> So our first approach has to be compile a few such cases where application
> was rejected only due to disability, and share that with management of the
> company.
>
> Regards,
> Srinivasu Chakravarthula
> +91-9900810881
> Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.
>
>> On 07-Jun-2017, at 11:50, Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Dear all
>> Of course this issue could be a local one. But I'm sure, there are
>> countless such unreported local ones faced by our blind and visually
>> impaired fellow friends. Everyone doesn't have the patience or
>> attitude to raise this issues.
>> Its time to do something to take these issues to a logical end.
>>
>> Regards
>> Leikhu Laishram
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>>>
>>> Rajesh, Have you seen a single investment which asks if you are
>>> disabled?
>>> There is no such question on the form and
>>> Obviously not because there is no higher returns for the investments of
>>> the
>>> Disabled.  for  - they are very happy to have my money.
>>> Also from what I am reading on this list is that many visually impaired
>>> people  whose disability is apparent have been given loans. So this
>>> seems
>>> to
>>> be a  local issue but needs to be dealt with strongly.
>>> K
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>> Sent: 05 June 2017 17:33
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>>
>>> Many a times, loan documents will not contain your disability
>>> certificate.
>>> They don't ask, and we don't tail.
>>> Whether kanchan has declared her disability while depositing with them,
>>> I
>>> don't know.
>>> Probably not.
>>>
>>> RBI should, ideally, on the lines of banks, issue instructions to NBFCs
>>> for
>>> non-discrimination.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Austin Pinto
>>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 3:30 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>>
>>> its time to nail them.
>>> i think for the people who have successfully got loans from them tell
>>> them
>>> to scan their loan related documents and then lets make a patition to
>>> change.org or go to consumer forum
>>>
 On 6/5/17, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
 I have written to their customer care to send in the policy to my RBI
 e mail.
 Let us see if they send.



 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
 Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 12:47 PM
 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the disabled.'
 Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

 Hi
 Please give me your telephone no.
 Its quite interesting. I have given Bajaj a Fixed deposit. So
 basically they accept money from the Disabled but wont give a Disabled
 a
>>> loan.
 Maybe it is time to go to the press and make a noise about these
>>> attitudes.

 K

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of sazid shaik
 Sent: 05 June 2017 12:10
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

 Dear friends,
 Yesterday atlast I got a call from bajaj telling me that there is a
 company policy that it won't give loan to physically challenged
 persons.  I asked for a mail telling the same.  I am pasting the same
 with you.  Please go through this


 Dear Sazid,
 Greetings from Bajaj Finserv!
 We regret the inconvenience that has been caused and appreciate your
 understanding and patience.
 With reference to your email and the discussion we had on 9493235007,
 we regret to inform you that the as per the company policy we are not
 able to provide 

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Re: [AI] Fwd: {Disability Studies India} Call for Contributions: Cafe Dissensus September 2017, 'Narrating Care'

[Asudani, Rajesh]

A very good topic, Shilpaa.

Many a times, receiving care degenerates into receiving life secondhand.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Shilpaa Anand
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:44 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: [AI] Fwd: {Disability Studies India} Call for Contributions: Cafe 
Dissensus September 2017, 'Narrating Care'

Call for essays:

-- Forwarded message --
From: *Shilpaa Anand* 
Date: Tuesday, 6 June 2017
Subject: {Disability Studies India} Call for Contributions: Cafe Dissensus
September 2017, 'Narrating Care'
To: "disability-studies-in...@googlegroups.com" <
disability-studies-in...@googlegroups.com>


*Issue 39: September 2017: **Narrating Care: Disability and Interdependence
in the Indian Context [Last date for submission: 20 July, 2017; Date of
publication: 15 September, 2017]*

*Guest-Editors:* Dr. Nandini Ghosh, IDSK & Dr. Shilpaa Anand, MANUU

*Concept Note: *Care-giving and care-receiving are complex experiences that
are only beginning to draw the attention of scholars and researchers
working in the fields of social medicine, disability studies and medical
anthropology. Care-giving, however, has appropriately been recognized as an
important theme of research by the women’s studies discourse, focusing
primarily on women as care-givers in contexts where care-giving becomes
invisible or is considered part of traditional gendered roles. What has
remained relatively unfamiliar, so also unknown, is the epistemic
perspective of recipients of care. The concept of care has, in the last few
decades, been problematized as ‘taking responsibility for’ people, who are
assumed to need caring as they are unable to exert choice and/or control.
Scholars have questioned the emphasis on independence and choice, for many
persons with disabilities for whom both cognitive function as well as
physical abilities may be highly circumscribed. While care highlights the
concept of dependency, it also points to power dynamics within the
carer-cared relationship. Care recipients are assumed to be subordinate to
the caregiver, as s/he cannot perform daily activities for her/himself and
that, as a result, makes the person become dependent on the caregiver. The
risk of losing one’s human (and civil) rights has remained higher for those
requiring greater levels of care, given that economic security, safety and
dignity are threatened when individuals find themselves increasingly
dependent on others (as many people with disabilities do) for personal care
and formal as well as informal decision-making.

‘Interdependence’, consequently, has emerged as a key concept. It has
become significant to recognize that, for disabled people independence is
not so much about self-sufficiency as it is about equity, empowerment,
choice, and control over their own lives. Defining care as an
interdependent relationship also enables us to consider the vulnerabilities
of the care-giver whose role may be devalued or dominated in certain
contexts. Focusing on interdependence additionally animates reflections on
mutually affective bonds that connect, knot, fasten, embrace, or fetter two
people simultaneously.

Given that, in the Indian context, notions of care are subsumed within
familial and communitarian ethics rather than in institutionalized
settings, questions of care-giving and receiving require greater and closer
examination. The paradoxes of such relationships become more complicated
when we consider the intersection of multiple identities. Shared as well as
normative understandings of caste rules, religious and cultural practices
shape and govern the everydayness of care practices.  In India, the family
emerges as the primary site for not only care but also management of
impairment. In such a context, caring and receiving care become conflicting
experiences located at the cusps of in enabling/constraining relationships,
often crafted by, love/duty curiously unaware of agency/dependence.

The proposed issue of *Café Dissensus* invites narratives of care from
receivers and givers in the form of written and graphic texts, photo essays
as well as video and audio entries. We are interested in descriptions that
give primacy to receivers of care while also not making invisible
experiences of care givers. Your entries may be of 1500 words in length (in
case of written entries) and emailed to Nandini Ghosh (*nandinigh...@gmail.com
*) or Shilpaa Anand
(*shilpaa.an...@gmail.com
*) by 20 July
2017. Submission of entries must include a brief bio-note of the
author/artist in about 150 words.
--
Shilpaa Anand
Assistant Professor, Department of English
Convener, Committee for Cell for Persons with Disabilities
Maulana Azad National Urdu University
Hyderabad 

Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[li...@srinivasu.org]

Unless we raise our issues or report such things, no one would address. There 
is nothing called logical end. First I doubt if Bajaj Finserv really has such 
policy. If so, it could have been applied everywhere 

So our first approach has to be compile a few such cases where application was 
rejected only due to disability, and share that with management of the company. 

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula
+91-9900810881
Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any. 

> On 07-Jun-2017, at 11:50, Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa  
> wrote:
> 
> Dear all
> Of course this issue could be a local one. But I'm sure, there are
> countless such unreported local ones faced by our blind and visually
> impaired fellow friends. Everyone doesn't have the patience or
> attitude to raise this issues.
> Its time to do something to take these issues to a logical end.
> 
> Regards
> Leikhu Laishram
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>> 
>> Rajesh, Have you seen a single investment which asks if you are disabled?
>> There is no such question on the form and
>> Obviously not because there is no higher returns for the investments of the
>> Disabled.  for  - they are very happy to have my money.
>> Also from what I am reading on this list is that many visually impaired
>> people  whose disability is apparent have been given loans. So this seems
>> to
>> be a  local issue but needs to be dealt with strongly.
>> K
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
>> Of Asudani, Rajesh
>> Sent: 05 June 2017 17:33
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>> 
>> Many a times, loan documents will not contain your disability certificate.
>> They don't ask, and we don't tail.
>> Whether kanchan has declared her disability while depositing with them, I
>> don't know.
>> Probably not.
>> 
>> RBI should, ideally, on the lines of banks, issue instructions to NBFCs for
>> non-discrimination.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
>> Of Austin Pinto
>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 3:30 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>> 
>> its time to nail them.
>> i think for the people who have successfully got loans from them tell them
>> to scan their loan related documents and then lets make a patition to
>> change.org or go to consumer forum
>> 
>>> On 6/5/17, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>>> I have written to their customer care to send in the policy to my RBI
>>> e mail.
>>> Let us see if they send.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 12:47 PM
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> Please give me your telephone no.
>>> Its quite interesting. I have given Bajaj a Fixed deposit. So
>>> basically they accept money from the Disabled but wont give a Disabled a
>> loan.
>>> Maybe it is time to go to the press and make a noise about these
>> attitudes.
>>> 
>>> K
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of sazid shaik
>>> Sent: 05 June 2017 12:10
>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>> Subject: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>> 
>>> Dear friends,
>>> Yesterday atlast I got a call from bajaj telling me that there is a
>>> company policy that it won't give loan to physically challenged
>>> persons.  I asked for a mail telling the same.  I am pasting the same
>>> with you.  Please go through this
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Sazid,
>>> Greetings from Bajaj Finserv!
>>> We regret the inconvenience that has been caused and appreciate your
>>> understanding and patience.
>>> With reference to your email and the discussion we had on 9493235007,
>>> we regret to inform you that the as per the company policy we are not
>>> able to provide loan to the physically disabled.
>>> Further as requested by you the email id for the next level of
>>> escalation is customerexperienceh...@bajajfinserv.in
>>> Assuring you of our best services always.
>>> Regards,
>>> Grievance Redressal
>>> Bajaj Finserv
>>> 
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Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Have got things financed from Bajaj and since have been receiving their pesky 
automated calls for loans daily.
But no mention of disability.

Way back in 2004, they had rejected my application for financing the PC, maybe 
got the wiff of my disability.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Amit Patel
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:00 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

I have been using bajaj finance card for purchasing laptop, mobile
etc. for long.
Perhaps they didn’t know about my disability while issuing card.
But last year I got call from bajaj for personal loan and at that time
I wanted it so I applied but they denied after doing all the formality
on the ground of disability.
Was busy so didn’t do anything at that time.

On 6/7/17, sazid shaik  wrote:
> Dear friends,
> I am pasting their mail which they send to my mail id.
>
> Dear Sazid,
> Greetings from Bajaj Finserv!
> We regret the inconvenience that has been caused and appreciate your
> understanding and patience.
> With reference to your email and the discussion we had on 9493235007,
> we regret to inform you that the as per the company policy we are not
> able to provide loan to the physically disabled.
> Further as requested by you the email id for the next level of
> escalation is customerexperienceh...@bajajfinserv.in
> Assuring you of our best services always.
> Regards,
> Grievance Redressal
> Bajaj Finserv
>
> On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>> Thanks Abhishek  for sharing. Are there any others  ?
>> Kanchan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Surinder
>> Sent: 06 June 2017 15:14
>> To: emailtotha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
>> accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>
>> After the arrival of the police, did they  agree to sanction the loan to
>> you?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mr Abhishek Thakur" 
>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled." 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>
>>
>>> Dear all
>>> Greetings!
>>> My experience with Bajaj:
>>> They denied financing me the washing machine and refrigerator. They
>>> told me that they cannot finance disable person. Same thing I did, I
>>> asked written policy from the person. He told me that he can’t give me
>>> the same as it was not available with him at the moment. I requested
>>> him to get in email from his head office and show me the policy. He
>>> told me that he will not finance me.
>>> I called 100 numbers after some time police came in the shop. I
>>> explained everything to the police. The police was convince with my
>>> arguments and told him to finance me.
>>> I think this is not a local issue. Something must be done to teach the
>>> lesson to this company
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
 Rajesh,
 First we went through the Chief General Manager and the Department of
 supervision and then by the time we reached the DG we had tired the
 RBI into understanding our problem.
 This particular matter can be escalated and then lets see if we need
 a circular or guidelines.
 Lets hope it gets resolved at the local level.
 I will of course write to the Chairman of the company.
 Kanchan

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
 Sent: 06 June 2017 12:06
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

 Yes, of course.
 Local and whimsical issue.

 Ideally, RBI should issue a non-discrimination circular for NBFCs on
 the lines of banks, but who will persuade them?
 Any present deputy governors your neighbours like in olden times?
 Smile.

 I am writing to DNBR, let us see!!



 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
 Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 11:40 AM
 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the disabled.'
 Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan


 Rajesh, Have you seen a single investment which asks if you are
 disabled?
 There is no such question on the form and Obviously not because there
 is no higher returns for the 

Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[Amit Patel]

I have been using bajaj finance card for purchasing laptop, mobile
etc. for long.
Perhaps they didn’t know about my disability while issuing card.
But last year I got call from bajaj for personal loan and at that time
I wanted it so I applied but they denied after doing all the formality
on the ground of disability.
Was busy so didn’t do anything at that time.

On 6/7/17, sazid shaik  wrote:
> Dear friends,
> I am pasting their mail which they send to my mail id.
>
> Dear Sazid,
> Greetings from Bajaj Finserv!
> We regret the inconvenience that has been caused and appreciate your
> understanding and patience.
> With reference to your email and the discussion we had on 9493235007,
> we regret to inform you that the as per the company policy we are not
> able to provide loan to the physically disabled.
> Further as requested by you the email id for the next level of
> escalation is customerexperienceh...@bajajfinserv.in
> Assuring you of our best services always.
> Regards,
> Grievance Redressal
> Bajaj Finserv
>
> On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>> Thanks Abhishek  for sharing. Are there any others  ?
>> Kanchan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Surinder
>> Sent: 06 June 2017 15:14
>> To: emailtotha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
>> accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>
>> After the arrival of the police, did they  agree to sanction the loan to
>> you?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mr Abhishek Thakur" 
>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled." 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>
>>
>>> Dear all
>>> Greetings!
>>> My experience with Bajaj:
>>> They denied financing me the washing machine and refrigerator. They
>>> told me that they cannot finance disable person. Same thing I did, I
>>> asked written policy from the person. He told me that he can’t give me
>>> the same as it was not available with him at the moment. I requested
>>> him to get in email from his head office and show me the policy. He
>>> told me that he will not finance me.
>>> I called 100 numbers after some time police came in the shop. I
>>> explained everything to the police. The police was convince with my
>>> arguments and told him to finance me.
>>> I think this is not a local issue. Something must be done to teach the
>>> lesson to this company
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
 Rajesh,
 First we went through the Chief General Manager and the Department of
 supervision and then by the time we reached the DG we had tired the
 RBI into understanding our problem.
 This particular matter can be escalated and then lets see if we need
 a circular or guidelines.
 Lets hope it gets resolved at the local level.
 I will of course write to the Chairman of the company.
 Kanchan

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
 Sent: 06 June 2017 12:06
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

 Yes, of course.
 Local and whimsical issue.

 Ideally, RBI should issue a non-discrimination circular for NBFCs on
 the lines of banks, but who will persuade them?
 Any present deputy governors your neighbours like in olden times?
 Smile.

 I am writing to DNBR, let us see!!



 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
 Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 11:40 AM
 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the disabled.'
 Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan


 Rajesh, Have you seen a single investment which asks if you are
 disabled?
 There is no such question on the form and Obviously not because there
 is no higher returns for the investments of the Disabled.  for  -
 they are very happy to have my money.
 Also from what I am reading on this list is that many visually
 impaired people  whose disability is apparent have been given loans.
 So this seems to be a  local issue but needs to be dealt with
 strongly.
 K
 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
 Sent: 05 June 2017 17:33
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the 

Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan

[Leikhu Laishram Leingakpa]

Dear all
Of course this issue could be a local one. But I'm sure, there are
countless such unreported local ones faced by our blind and visually
impaired fellow friends. Everyone doesn't have the patience or
attitude to raise this issues.
Its time to do something to take these issues to a logical end.

Regards
Leikhu Laishram



On 6/6/17, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
>
> Rajesh, Have you seen a single investment which asks if you are disabled?
> There is no such question on the form and
> Obviously not because there is no higher returns for the investments of the
> Disabled.  for  - they are very happy to have my money.
> Also from what I am reading on this list is that many visually impaired
> people  whose disability is apparent have been given loans. So this seems
> to
> be a  local issue but needs to be dealt with strongly.
> K
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 05 June 2017 17:33
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>
> Many a times, loan documents will not contain your disability certificate.
> They don't ask, and we don't tail.
> Whether kanchan has declared her disability while depositing with them, I
> don't know.
> Probably not.
>
> RBI should, ideally, on the lines of banks, issue instructions to NBFCs for
> non-discrimination.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Austin Pinto
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 3:30 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>
> its time to nail them.
> i think for the people who have successfully got loans from them tell them
> to scan their loan related documents and then lets make a patition to
> change.org or go to consumer forum
>
> On 6/5/17, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>> I have written to their customer care to send in the policy to my RBI
>> e mail.
>> Let us see if they send.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 12:47 PM
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>
>> Hi
>> Please give me your telephone no.
>> Its quite interesting. I have given Bajaj a Fixed deposit. So
>> basically they accept money from the Disabled but wont give a Disabled a
> loan.
>> Maybe it is time to go to the press and make a noise about these
> attitudes.
>>
>> K
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of sazid shaik
>> Sent: 05 June 2017 12:10
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: [AI] as bajaj fincer rejected my consumer loan
>>
>> Dear friends,
>> Yesterday atlast I got a call from bajaj telling me that there is a
>> company policy that it won't give loan to physically challenged
>> persons.  I asked for a mail telling the same.  I am pasting the same
>> with you.  Please go through this
>>
>>
>> Dear Sazid,
>> Greetings from Bajaj Finserv!
>> We regret the inconvenience that has been caused and appreciate your
>> understanding and patience.
>> With reference to your email and the discussion we had on 9493235007,
>> we regret to inform you that the as per the company policy we are not
>> able to provide loan to the physically disabled.
>> Further as requested by you the email id for the next level of
>> escalation is customerexperienceh...@bajajfinserv.in
>> Assuring you of our best services always.
>> Regards,
>> Grievance Redressal
>> Bajaj Finserv
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Re: [AI] Fwd: Blindness: Is Literature Against Us?

[Surya Prakash Sharma]

Good analysis. Thanks for posting.

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On June 1, 2017 4:02:23 PM avinash shahi  wrote:


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From: Boopathi P 
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:34:44 +0530
Subject: {Disability Studies India} Blindness: Is Literature Against Us?
To: getkarthik4u , sivaramanvvs
, send2kmn ,
disability-studies-india ,
brailleacl , reachingsuresh
, Madhulika Nirmal
, hatemalshamaa ,
Ade Jyothi <944jyo...@gmail.com>, sivakumarnanban
, Karthi Govarthanan


Blindness: Is Literature Against Us?
An Address Delivered by Kenneth Jernigan
   President, National   Federation of the Blind
   At the Banquet of the Annual Convention
   Chicago,   July 3, 1974
History, we are told, is the record of what human beings have done;
literature, the record of what they have thought. Last year I examined
  with you the place of the blind in history—not just what we have
done but what   the historians have remembered and said we have done.
The two, as we found, are   vastly different.
This year I would like to talk with you about the place of the blind
in   literature. How have we been perceived? What has been our role?
How have the   poets and novelists, the essayists and dramatists seen
us? Have they "told it   like it is," or merely liked it as they've
told it?
With history there is at least a supposed foundation of fact. Whatever
the   twisting or omission or misinterpretation or downright
falsehood, that   foundation presumably remains—a tether and a
touchstone, always subject to   reexamination and new proof. Not so
with literature. The author is free to cut   through facts to the
essence, to dream and soar and surmise. Going deeper than   history,
the myths and feelings of a people are enshrined in its literature.
Literary culture in all its forms constitutes possibly the main
transmission   belt of our society's beliefs and values—more important
even than the schools,   the churches, the news media, or the family.
How, then, have we fared in   literature?
The literary record reveals no single theme or unitary view of the
life of   the blind. Instead, it displays a bewildering variety of
images—often   conflicting and contradictory, not only as between
different ages or cultures,   or among the works of various writers,
but even within the pages of a single   book.
Yet, upon closer examination the principal themes and motifs of
literature   and popular culture are nine in number and may be
summarized as follows: blindness as compensatory or miraculous power,
blindness as total tragedy;   blindness as foolishness and
helplessness; blindness as unrelieved wickedness   and evil; blindness
as perfect virtue; blindness as punishment for sin;   blindness as
abnormality or dehumanization; blindness as purification; and
blindness as symbol or parable.
Let us begin with blindness and compensatory powers. Suppose one of
you   should ask me whether I think there is any advantage in being
blind; and suppose   I should answer like this: "Not an advantage
perhaps: still it has compensations   that one might not think of. A
new world to explore, new experiences, new powers   awakening; strange
new perceptions; life in the fourth dimension."l How would   you react
to that? You would, I suspect, laugh me out of the room. I doubt that
 a single person here would buy such stereotyped stupidity. You and I
know from   firsthand experience that there is no "fourth dimension"
to blindness—no   miraculous new powers awakening, no strange new
perceptions, no brave new worlds   to explore. Yet, the words I have
quoted are those of a blind character in a   popular novel of some
time back. (I don't know whether the term has   significance, but a
blind "private eye," no less.)
The association of blindness with compensatory powers, illustrated by
the   blind detective I have just mentioned, represents a venerable
tradition,   reaching back to classical mythology. A favorite method
of punishment among the   gods of ancient Greece was blinding—regarded
apparently as a fate worse than   death—following which, more often
than not, the gods so pitied the blinded   victim that they relented
and conferred upon him extraordinary gifts, usually   the power of
prophecy or some other exceptional skill. Thus, Homer was widely
regarded as having been compensated by the gift of poetry. In the same
way   Tiresias, who wandered through the plays of Sophocles, received
for his   blindness the gift of prophecy.
The theme of divine compensation following divine retribution survived
the   passage of the ages and the decline of the pagan religions. Sir
Arthur Conan   Doyle (one of the most