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Hai Tara: Fantastic information. TKS. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taraprakash Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:30 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue The following information will be quite useful for people undertaking research in the field. The excerpts as well as the references cited below are quite interesting and *not* off list according to me. Excerpt From: M. Miles (2000) Disability on a Different Model: Glimpses of an Asian Heritage. Disability & Society 15: 603-618. Blind People Handling Their Own Fate Models and stories embodying them arise in social situations, and any different conceptualisations in Asia cannot be understood without dipping into social history. Accounts of earlier social responses to blind people particularly in Japan, and to some extent in China, indicate a measure of both group and individual autonomy within reserved and valued occupations, ostensibly reflecting a status model more 'normal' than blind people enjoyed in much of European history. Improved status in Japan traditionally dates from the blind son of a ninth century emperor, for whom "many blind men of good families" were recruited as companions (Dixon, 1891; Yoshimoto, 1908). A national revenue was supposedly devoted to the welfare of blind people from this time (Golay, 1973). Contrary interpretations have also appeared. Susan Matisoff (1978, pp. 19-22, 28-31, 39-46) assembles detailed evidence suggesting that blind, lute-playing, mendicant friars (biwa hoshi) originated in China and reached Japan in the 6th century. Their successors slowly constructed a semi-legendary past, conflating stories of more than one blind prince in an effort to raise their very modest social status - an interesting reminder that disabled people have not always been helpless targets for model-making by a dominant environment. Whatever may underlie these legendary beginnings the traditional professions of musical performance, song and recitative became a recognised speciality of blind people, with the less elevated alternative vocations of massage, acupuncture, fortune-telling, and later money-lending. Various schools emerged, teaching the standard professional curricula with local innovations or flavours. The training and certification process was controlled by powerful blind guilds. Over several centuries, the Proper Path Guild of blind Heike reciters eventually Block quote start Block quote start "...extended its control to include all blind lute performers in Japan. They became, in effect, a country of the blind, controlled by their own system of regulations outside direct government management." (Matisoff, 1978, p. 43) Block quote end Block quote end The original apprentice-style training also became a broader education. Music on the curriculum extended beyond learning to play the lute - blind musicians were expected to have a repertoire of stirring songs, so parts of the literary heritage were memorised by students. Hrdlickova (1965, p. 229) cites a field study where blind or illiterate Chinese storytellers "could sing and recite three months on end without repeating themselves", suggesting the formidable immersion expected of learners. The therapy skills of acupuncture and massage extended to coverage of body parts and functions together with a grasp of client psychology. Thus it was that in 1760 young Hokiichi Hanawa, who would become one of Japan's founding academic bibliographers, went to a private school for blind youths at Edo, now Tokyo (Yoshimoto, 1908). There he should have learnt skills of music and acupuncture under Ametomi Kengyo. Failing to gain proficiency in those skills, he succeeded 'only' in learning classical literature, and was taught later by the famous Kamo no Mabuchi. This sort of well established and differentiated educational provision in urban Japan (and systems with some similarities in China) compares favourably with the situation in 18th century Europe. Hokiichi Hanawa was already launched on his bibliographical career by the time Valentin Haüy, at Paris in 1771, was shocked to see a mock orchestra of blind people pretending to read and play music, a jape meant to attract passers-by to a café. Eventually in 1784 Haüy founded a school to provide more dignified work for blind people, and the chance genuinely to learn to read and play music (Farrell, 1956, pp. 18-29). He was a pioneer in Europe - it is only a pity that Haüy could not first have visited Japan and China to learn how some blind men had for centuries managed their own education and professions. The extent of education and employment for blind people in Japan is hard to quantify, even more so in China where earlier developments of the same professions and 'blind guilds' had taken place, at least in cities.
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entally' bumping into the blind man, then roughing him up. He promptly does so, shouting abuse in a disguised voice, before running off. This dramatic bouleversement shocks the audience into nervous laughter. Picking himself up, the blind man bitterly confides to the stunned audience that he is "amazed at how different from the man before this pitiless rascal was" (Kenny, 1989, p. 211); the double-edged irony forces the audience to laugh again in spite of itself. The blind man's conduct throughout is a model of decent if naive human behaviour - no 'disability model' is required; but the sighted audience is confronted by its own recognition that other people's trust and vulnerability may evoke sharply contradictory responses in oneself. The advanced model of human intercourse slips readily into the barbaric. REFERENCES Blacker, C. (1975) The Catalpa Bow (London, Allen & Unwin). Canton Dispensary (1833) Chinese Repository, II, pp. 276-277. Ching, L. (1980, reprint 1982) One of the Lucky Ones (London, Souvenir). Dixon, J.M. (1891) The habits of the blind in Japan, Transactions of the Asiatic Society of Japan, 19 (iii), pp. 578-582. Farrell, G. (1956) The Story of Blindness (Cambridge, Harvard University Press). Golay, J. (1973) Pathos and farce: Zat_ plays of the Ky_gen repertoire, Monumenta Nipponica, 28, pp. 139-149. Goodrich, L.C. & Chaoying Fang (Eds) (1976) Dictionary of Ming Biography 1368-1644 (New York, Columbia University Press). Handlin, J.F. (1983) Action in Late Ming Thought (Berkeley, University of California Press). Hanks, L.W. (1872) Blindness and the Blind (London, Chapman & Hall). Hoe, S. (1991) The Private Life of Old Hong Kong (Hong Kong, Oxford University Press). Hrdlickova, V. (1965) The professional training of Chinese storytellers and the storytellers' guilds, Archiv Orientalni, 33, pp. 225-248. Kenny, D. (transl.) (1989) The Kyogen Book (Tokyo, The Japan Times). Lockhart, W. (1861) The Medical Missionary in China (London, Hurst & Blackett). Matisoff, S. (1978) The Legend of Semimaru, blind musician of Japan (New York, Columbia University Press). de Mendoza, J.G., transl. R. Parke (1588, reprint 1853) The Historie of the Great and Mightie Kingdome of China (London, Hakluyt Society). Yoshimoto, T. (1908) Past, present, and future of the blind in Japan, in: Report of the Second Triennial International Conference on the Blind and Exhibition, Manchester July 24th - Aug. 1st, 1908, pp. 174-181 (Manchester). - Original Message - From: "Taraprakash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > You are agreeing with what viraj hasn't said. Nowhere he maintained that > women from this group should express their opinions about the issue, it is > up to them and they are well with in their rights to maintain a silence. > What he is trying to do is draw the attention back to the issue of the > organizations meant for blind women being in fact against them. Some > previous mails turned the focus of the discussion more towards women than > the organizations. It seems to be in the interest of the organizations. To > say that women should learn the martial arts is kind of divesting those > organizations from their responsibility. > That women haven't written their opinion is not surprising, what surprises > is anyone not coming with a mail stating that it is our business, we will > investigate it. There are members who claim to be working for the blind, > if > there are some working for blind women may take this initiative. Or > someone > could say, we work in this area and Smriti's statement is incorrect. > > - Original Message - > From: "rakesh kumar gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> Hello to all, >> Yes, I am agree with Viraj Kafle. >> I think, this should be great surprising for our group that we have not >> received any single comment from a single female in this regard till now, >> even though after moderating this important and relevant issue, Smriti >> has >> not given any such remark or direction for forwarding this talk, while it >> is >> very important that the girls should express their views, suggestions and >> also their feelings in this regard. >> Thanks, >> Rakesh. >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> - Original Message - >> From: "Viraj Kafle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> >>> The debate going on about this issue is very insightful. However, As far >>> as >>> I feell, w
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Hello L. Subramani, When we live in modern society, then it doesn't mean, while a relevant topic raised by a girl and this topic is more concerned with girls. At this situation, all attempts will be failed regarding to this issue and these indirect causes are most responsible for increasing these type of "sexual harassment" whether these are concerned general or blind girls. Thanks, Rakesh. - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > Dear Rakesh: > > Let's not forget it is a very sensitive issue. It may be easier for men > to openly speak, but it is possible that women feel a little touchy > about it. > > Subramani > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rakesh > kumar gupta > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:22 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > Hello to all, > Yes, I am agree with Viraj Kafle. > I think, this should be great surprising for our group that we have not > received any single comment from a single female in this regard till > now, > even though after moderating this important and relevant issue, Smriti > has > not given any such remark or direction for forwarding this talk, while > it is > very important that the girls should express their views, suggestions > and > also their feelings in this regard. > Thanks, > Rakesh. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "Viraj Kafle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:04 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> The debate going on about this issue is very insightful. However, As > far >> as >> I feell, we should remember the key issue raised in the beginning by >> Smriti. >> More than about direct sexual assault or rape, what she was trying to >> point >> out is the indirect, but well covered- up cases of sexual harassments >> taking >> place in very institutions which are meant to be protective for them. >> >> Best regards. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> >>> Dear Rakesh: >>> >>> I can't say anything about unusual circumstances, because it is hard > for >>> anyone to do anything if a reliable person turn out to be the > culprit. >>> >>> The idea of marshal arts isn't something I plucked out from > emptiness. >>> There organisations in Chennai, for instance, and I am sure you would >>> find them elsewhere as well, who teach marshal arts to girls, > especially >>> vulnerable to sexual assaults. >>> >>> I had a friend, Reshma Sharma, a black belt in Karate, who taught >>> marshal arts to batch of girls who came to her for help and was > awarded >>> by the T N govt. So, assuming such things work for normal girls, you > can >>> replicate the idea easily with some changes for VI girls as well. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rakesh >>> kumar gupta >>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:38 AM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue >>> >>> Hello Subramani, Smriti and to all, >>> I think that your suggestions are cheerful and implementable and even >>> though >>> may be relevant in present context because "self defense is best > weapon >>> for >>> self protection." >>> But, I have some little doubt to implement in practical specially > for: >>> Firstly, totally blind girls, who may not be able to see to "the > rapper" >>> and >>> Secondly, that crucial time, specially when the rappers are in a > group >>> because in this situation, normal trained girls in self defense find > to >>> themselves "helpless". >>> Perhaps, all of you are aware better from this real fact that several >>> girls >>> are raped by their relatives even though by their "real Father and > real >>> Brother". So, we can't rely upon them completely. >>> Now, please write me if either of you ,have any specific suggestion > for >>> regarding to this issue specially for which I have pointed out. >>> Thanks, >>> Rakesh
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Well, frankly speaking, remedy in my opinion, lies in collective punitive action against the perpetrator, as happened in Nagpur about a couple of years ago, in the case of person who was habituated to debouch women in particular locality and a group of women barged into courtroom and lynched him to death before he could secure bail for... maybe a seventh time! Police did its duty by making inconsequential random arrests an nothing more. Of course, I may be charged with inciting to take law into one's own hands, but of course, it is better than legal system which Mr. Ramakrishna aptly described as being "slow inefficient and purchasable." - Original Message - From: "K Ramkrishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > You are right. Such persons should be publicly punished. But, how do we do > this. Our legal system is purchasable, slow and insensitive. If you do > something, you would be called as one, who takes law in his own hand. We > need a strong women group for this and we will support. I only remember a > Marathi drama " Purush", where such a politician criminal was aptly > punished > by the victim. > regards > > - Original Message - > From: "firoz pathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:51 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> it is every where even doctors ,lawyers,govt emplyees or private sector >> every where crows are black >> its not only dis abled women are haressed by sighted men >> i know one blind school where blind student girl of tength standard >> harressed by blind sir, of same school >> institute did not take stern action since reputation of institute at >> stake >> and fear of number of students may decrease >> along with out side world blind people are doing any mal practise we must >> take stern action >> like this many insidents are there >> good you raise this topic >> my suggestion we must publically punished this blind person and set up an >> example to out side world so they get lesson from this >> in gujarat last year one blind girl hostel sex racket came out >> watch man after drinking in night used to harress girl when blind girls >> took >> help from some neighbour since they could not able to find out who is the >> culprit since they were total blind >> out siders started taking advantage instead of helping them >> even police did not help them at large >> finally media and some organisation came to their rescue >> this i heard on tv may be on aaj tak >> but after wards what punish ment was given or what happen no body knows >> no >> news paper followed the news after wards >> sorry i became so sensitive >> >> firoz >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM >> Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> >>> Hello Accessindia, >>> >>> Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news >>> report, which tells us about a case of a >>> mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in >>> some institution for the mentally-challenged women in >>> Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great >>> concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several >>> visually challenged girls also are being victimised of >>> such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, >>> for instance, we often hear about such cases in many >>> hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in >>> muffled voices. >>> >>> In this list, we have many people who are working for >>> NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. >>> Therefore, I find this list a very significant >>> plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme >>> concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to >>> assert, that there must be some law or some kind of >>> code of conduct to prevents such instances of the >>> visually challenged women's sexual harassments. >>> >>> Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this >>> matter in the list. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Smriti. >>> >>> Smriti Singh >>> Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) >>> Room # 03 >>> Sabarmati Hostel >>> Jawaharlal Nehru University >>> >>> >>> >>> _
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Also a sharp pen knife. - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > Dear Smrithi: > > I happened to read in a report that mentally retarded girls specially > those young, are vulnerable to sexual assaults and the fact that they > are vulnerable doesn't help their cause. They have to be protected by > parents and those blood-relatives, though it is easier said than done. > > But, in my opinion, blind girls can learn Karate, carry stuffs like > mirchi powder and blades to escape ferom attackers. Marshal arts is > something girls in general must learn, as the number of rapes and sexual > assaults are constantly increasing in India. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of smriti > singh > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > > Hello Accessindia, > > Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news > report, which tells us about a case of a > mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in > some institution for the mentally-challenged women in > Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great > concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several > visually challenged girls also are being victimised of > such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, > for instance, we often hear about such cases in many > hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in > muffled voices. > > In this list, we have many people who are working for > NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. > Therefore, I find this list a very significant > plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme > concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to > assert, that there must be some law or some kind of > code of conduct to prevents such instances of the > visually challenged women's sexual harassments. > > Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this > matter in the list. > > Regards, > > Smriti. > > Smriti Singh > Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) > Room # 03 > Sabarmati Hostel > Jawaharlal Nehru University > > > > > > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > - This e-mail contains privileged information or information belonging to IDBI Ltd. and is intended solely for the addressee/s. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. Any copying (whole or partial) or further distribution beyond the original recipient is not intended, and may be unlawful. The recipient acknowledges that IDBI Ltd. is unable to exercise control or ensure or guarantee the integrity of the contents of the information contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not binding on IDBI Ltd. E-mails are susceptible to alteration and their integrity cannot be guaranteed. IDBI Ltd. does not accept any liability for damages caused on account of this e-mail. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. - To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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You are right. Such persons should be publicly punished. But, how do we do this. Our legal system is purchasable, slow and insensitive. If you do something, you would be called as one, who takes law in his own hand. We need a strong women group for this and we will support. I only remember a Marathi drama " Purush", where such a politician criminal was aptly punished by the victim. regards - Original Message - From: "firoz pathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > it is every where even doctors ,lawyers,govt emplyees or private sector > every where crows are black > its not only dis abled women are haressed by sighted men > i know one blind school where blind student girl of tength standard > harressed by blind sir, of same school > institute did not take stern action since reputation of institute at stake > and fear of number of students may decrease > along with out side world blind people are doing any mal practise we must > take stern action > like this many insidents are there > good you raise this topic > my suggestion we must publically punished this blind person and set up an > example to out side world so they get lesson from this > in gujarat last year one blind girl hostel sex racket came out > watch man after drinking in night used to harress girl when blind girls > took > help from some neighbour since they could not able to find out who is the > culprit since they were total blind > out siders started taking advantage instead of helping them > even police did not help them at large > finally media and some organisation came to their rescue > this i heard on tv may be on aaj tak > but after wards what punish ment was given or what happen no body knows no > news paper followed the news after wards > sorry i became so sensitive > > firoz > > > > - Original Message - > From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM > Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> Hello Accessindia, >> >> Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news >> report, which tells us about a case of a >> mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in >> some institution for the mentally-challenged women in >> Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great >> concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several >> visually challenged girls also are being victimised of >> such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, >> for instance, we often hear about such cases in many >> hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in >> muffled voices. >> >> In this list, we have many people who are working for >> NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. >> Therefore, I find this list a very significant >> plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme >> concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to >> assert, that there must be some law or some kind of >> code of conduct to prevents such instances of the >> visually challenged women's sexual harassments. >> >> Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this >> matter in the list. >> >> Regards, >> >> Smriti. >> >> Smriti Singh >> Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) >> Room # 03 >> Sabarmati Hostel >> Jawaharlal Nehru University >> >> >> >> >> Want to start your own business? >> Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: >> 11/14/2006 >> >> > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > - This e-mail contains privileged information or information belonging to IDB
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Dear Rakesh: Let's not forget it is a very sensitive issue. It may be easier for men to openly speak, but it is possible that women feel a little touchy about it. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rakesh kumar gupta Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:22 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue Hello to all, Yes, I am agree with Viraj Kafle. I think, this should be great surprising for our group that we have not received any single comment from a single female in this regard till now, even though after moderating this important and relevant issue, Smriti has not given any such remark or direction for forwarding this talk, while it is very important that the girls should express their views, suggestions and also their feelings in this regard. Thanks, Rakesh. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Viraj Kafle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > The debate going on about this issue is very insightful. However, As far > as > I feell, we should remember the key issue raised in the beginning by > Smriti. > More than about direct sexual assault or rape, what she was trying to > point > out is the indirect, but well covered- up cases of sexual harassments > taking > place in very institutions which are meant to be protective for them. > > Best regards. > > - Original Message - > From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:30 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> Dear Rakesh: >> >> I can't say anything about unusual circumstances, because it is hard for >> anyone to do anything if a reliable person turn out to be the culprit. >> >> The idea of marshal arts isn't something I plucked out from emptiness. >> There organisations in Chennai, for instance, and I am sure you would >> find them elsewhere as well, who teach marshal arts to girls, especially >> vulnerable to sexual assaults. >> >> I had a friend, Reshma Sharma, a black belt in Karate, who taught >> marshal arts to batch of girls who came to her for help and was awarded >> by the T N govt. So, assuming such things work for normal girls, you can >> replicate the idea easily with some changes for VI girls as well. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rakesh >> kumar gupta >> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:38 AM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> Hello Subramani, Smriti and to all, >> I think that your suggestions are cheerful and implementable and even >> though >> may be relevant in present context because "self defense is best weapon >> for >> self protection." >> But, I have some little doubt to implement in practical specially for: >> Firstly, totally blind girls, who may not be able to see to "the rapper" >> and >> Secondly, that crucial time, specially when the rappers are in a group >> because in this situation, normal trained girls in self defense find to >> themselves "helpless". >> Perhaps, all of you are aware better from this real fact that several >> girls >> are raped by their relatives even though by their "real Father and real >> Brother". So, we can't rely upon them completely. >> Now, please write me if either of you ,have any specific suggestion for >> regarding to this issue specially for which I have pointed out. >> Thanks, >> Rakesh. >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> - Original Message - >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> >>> Dear Smrithi: >>> >>> I happened to read in a report that mentally retarded girls specially >>> those young, are vulnerable to sexual assaults and the fact that they >>> are vulnerable doesn't help their cause. They have to be protected by >>> parents and those blood-relatives, though it is easier said than done. >>> >>> But, in my opinion, blind girls can learn Karate, carry stuffs like >>> mirchi powder and blades to escape ferom attackers. Marshal arts is >>> something girls in general must learn, as the number of rapes and >> sexual >>> assaults are constantly increasing in India. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [
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A clarification: by women with disability, I mean those who are physically fit and are capable of defending themselves in times of danger such as those who are blind. As far those with mental retardation, I feel the immediate family should form a ring of protection or the organisation they depend on must ensure their safety. Laws must be strengthened to punish organisation (possibly even by withdrawl of their registration or sealing them off, or, in the case of individuals, life sentence) those who commit the despicable and unacceptable crime of rape or sexually motivated acts of violence. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:37 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue Dear Tara and others: Kindly read the following story. You will understand two things: 1 rape isn't exclusively the problem of blind women, in spite of the fact that they are more vulnerable. 2 It is the responsibility of the society to help women defend themselves in times of danger. 3 Calling sexual assault a problem exclusively affecting women isn't correct. If this argument is correct, no other women in the world be suffering from rape or any sexually motivated violence. 4 Organisations dealing with blind women must consider training women in self defence -be it marshal arts or any other effective means- because, the fact remains that they are the most vulnerable group of women. Pl read the story and let me know if this danger has to be tackled. Moderator: this may sound off-topic, but I am sorry if it is. Why is Tony Blair sending this gang-rape victim back to her attackers? By Gethin Chamberlain, Sunday Telegraph Last Updated: 1:33am GMT 04/12/2006 Audio: Basheer describes her terrifying ordeal In pictures: Darfur's violent past The Home Office is at the centre of a fresh row over its handling of asylum applications after it emerged that hundreds of people who have fled the slaughter in the Darfur region of Sudan have been told by officials that it is safe to return to their homes. Among those who have been refused permission to remain in the UK is a woman doctor who was gang-raped by Sudanese soldiers for protesting to aid workers about the rape of more than 40 schoolgirls. Some 300,000 people are believed to have been killed in Darfur since the Sudanese government enlisted Arab militias, known as janjaweed, to launch a campaign of ethnic cleansing in 2003. Fighting in Darfur has escalated in recent weeks and last week the UN's human rights commissioner, Louise Arbour, warned that atrocities were now taking place daily. But The Sunday Telegraph has learnt that last year 900 of 995 Sudanese applications for asylum were rejected, and a report to be published this week claims that only one asylum case in 10 involving alleged rape victims succeeds. Human rights groups have accused the Government of sending back women to face fresh dangers. Now one of the women whose asylum application has been rejected has come forward to speak publicly about her fears for her safety. Dr Halima Basheer, 27, fled to Britain after she was repeatedly targeted by Sudanese authorities. Speaking in London last week, she said her problems began two years ago when the janjaweed attacked a girls' school in Darfur. More than 40 girls were raped, she said, along with two teachers. The girls were aged from eight to 13; villagers brought 15 of them to the clinic where she worked to be treated for horrendous injuries. "It was a horrible incident. They were just children, they understood nothing about it," Dr Basheer said. When aid workers asked about what had happened, she told them. But word filtered through to the authorities and a month later soldiers came to her house and dragged her outside to a waiting vehicle. "They said to me, 'You told those people about the rape at the school. Why did you do that? You are always talking about rape, but you don't know what it is. We will teach you a lesson about what rape is.' " The soldiers took her to a secluded hut. "They tied my hands and feet together with rope and left me. I thought that they might kill me. I thought that was the last day of my life," she said. Three men entered the hut and took it in turns to rape her. "I was kicking but one sliced me with a knife on my feet and then my left breast. One of the men burnt me with a cigar. The three of them raped me." The next day, two more men came to the hut and she was raped again. On the third day, the men dragged her out of the hut and drove her back to her village. "They said, 'Go, now you can tell everybody about rape, you can tell them how it feels.' " In December 2004, the village was attacked by Sudanese government planes and by janjaweed horsemen. Dr Basheer s
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It would make a difference if organisations or women's rights activists take it up in a big way and appraise the media (without feeding into their hunger for sensationalism) about the realities of sexual harassment faced by women with disability. Unless we try and create awareness, laws won't work and academic studies would only gather dust. Look what happened in Jessica Lal and Nitesh Katara murders. The judiciary and the law of the land is working because of public awareness about the atrocity committed by those in power. We must follow that. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taraprakash Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:46 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue I agree. But when a student writes a report even if well supported with accurate data but not supported by any relevant organization, it remains a mere study. The chances that it makes a difference in policies of the government or organizations, is very slim. Smriti is a research fellow, working on a topic related to blind, keeps in touch with me for guidance, it was just a suggestion with a kind of warning of isolation to her to conduct a study in the matter . I again wish her luck if she works on the topic. It might ultimately be quite useful. - Original Message - From: "Harish Kotian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > Hello Tara Prakash > I differ with you that is merely of accademic interest. > If that be the case, all forms of exploitation can be reduced to that one > line. However, in reality that is not the case. Changes are brought about > when one fights against exploitation. The expression of resistance can > vary > on a case by case basis. > Harish. > > - Original Message - > From: "Taraprakash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> So why don't you initiate the discussion? it is a burning issue, agreed. >> But >> what makes you think that there are not enough laws to prevent such a >> despicable thing? >> There are several instances to prove that organizations supposedly >> working >> for the disabled, exploit disability and disabled to maximum extent. It >> requires courage to say and do such stuff. It will make in to a good >> study, >> should you decide pursuing it. But be prepared for isolation in this >> field. >> Ultimately it remains the matter of academic interest, nothing more. Is >> there any organization which claims to be a voice of the disabled and has >> more than 50 % of the disabled employees? How many organizations are >> there >> which can claim they have a written rule that 3 % of the seats will be >> reserved for the disabled according to our constitution? >> I am not trying to sidetrack the issue you raised but expecting something >> significant from NGO's in this regards is expecting a little too much. >> They >> themselves don't practise what they preach. >> Unless things have drastically changed recently, with the exception of >> NAB, >> none of the major organizations employ disabled readily. >> You can start collecting data and publish an interesting study. Rather >> than >> always criticizing media, there is nothing wrong in it, and criticizing >> government, another well -deserved criticism, we must sometime self >> introspect. Is our house really in order? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM >> Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> >>> Hello Accessindia, >>> >>> Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news >>> report, which tells us about a case of a >>> mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in >>> some institution for the mentally-challenged women in >>> Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great >>> concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several >>> visually challenged girls also are being victimised of >>> such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, >>> for instance, we often hear about such cases in many >>> hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in >>> muffled voices. >>> >>> In this list, we have many people who are working for >>> NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. >>> Therefore, I find this list a very significant >>> plateform for the
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years," he said. But the Government maintains that it is safe to send refugees back to Sudan. A Home Office position paper published in May this year states: "Ordinary non-Arab ethnic Darfuris are not at risk of persecution outside the Darfur States and it is considered that it is not unduly harsh to expect them to relocate to an area within Sudan in which they will be safe." Yesterday a spokesman said that the Government was committed to providing protection for individuals found to be genuinely in need. But he added: "However,in order to maintain the integrity of our asylum system and prevent unfounded applications, it is important that we are able to enforce returns of those who do not need protection." James Smith, chief executive of the anti-genocide Aegis Trust, said: "Only a minority of these women escape the horror and I cannot imagine their fear facing deportation back to such a situation. By the Home Office telling people like Halima they can return to Khartoum, the city where the organisers of these atrocities are still operating, Britain is becoming part of the thread of brutality in Darfur." A report to be published on Tuesday by the group Women Against Rape claims immigration officials are taking a hard line on rape cases. Anne Neal, a spokesman, said that only eight out of 65 asylum applications examined for the report had been successful and she said the case of Dr Basheer illustrated the problems faced by rape victims in convincing the British authorities about the merits of their claims. "It is a shocking indictment of the way rape survivors are treated. Our report confirms her experience is the standard rather than the exception," she said. *Aegis will be staging demonstrations outside the Sudanese Embassy and Downing Street next Sunday, as part of a global day for Darfur. Dr Basheer's name has been changed for the purpose of this article. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taraprakash Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:36 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue You are agreeing with what viraj hasn't said. Nowhere he maintained that women from this group should express their opinions about the issue, it is up to them and they are well with in their rights to maintain a silence. What he is trying to do is draw the attention back to the issue of the organizations meant for blind women being in fact against them. Some previous mails turned the focus of the discussion more towards women than the organizations. It seems to be in the interest of the organizations. To say that women should learn the martial arts is kind of divesting those organizations from their responsibility. That women haven't written their opinion is not surprising, what surprises is anyone not coming with a mail stating that it is our business, we will investigate it. There are members who claim to be working for the blind, if there are some working for blind women may take this initiative. Or someone could say, we work in this area and Smriti's statement is incorrect. - Original Message - From: "rakesh kumar gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > Hello to all, > Yes, I am agree with Viraj Kafle. > I think, this should be great surprising for our group that we have not > received any single comment from a single female in this regard till now, > even though after moderating this important and relevant issue, Smriti has > not given any such remark or direction for forwarding this talk, while it > is > very important that the girls should express their views, suggestions and > also their feelings in this regard. > Thanks, > Rakesh. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "Viraj Kafle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:04 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> The debate going on about this issue is very insightful. However, As far >> as >> I feell, we should remember the key issue raised in the beginning by >> Smriti. >> More than about direct sexual assault or rape, what she was trying to >> point >> out is the indirect, but well covered- up cases of sexual harassments >> taking >> place in very institutions which are meant to be protective for them. >> >> Best regards. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> >>> Dear Rakesh: >>> >>> I can't say anything about unusual circumstances, because it is hard for >>> anyone to
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You are agreeing with what viraj hasn't said. Nowhere he maintained that women from this group should express their opinions about the issue, it is up to them and they are well with in their rights to maintain a silence. What he is trying to do is draw the attention back to the issue of the organizations meant for blind women being in fact against them. Some previous mails turned the focus of the discussion more towards women than the organizations. It seems to be in the interest of the organizations. To say that women should learn the martial arts is kind of divesting those organizations from their responsibility. That women haven't written their opinion is not surprising, what surprises is anyone not coming with a mail stating that it is our business, we will investigate it. There are members who claim to be working for the blind, if there are some working for blind women may take this initiative. Or someone could say, we work in this area and Smriti's statement is incorrect. - Original Message - From: "rakesh kumar gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > Hello to all, > Yes, I am agree with Viraj Kafle. > I think, this should be great surprising for our group that we have not > received any single comment from a single female in this regard till now, > even though after moderating this important and relevant issue, Smriti has > not given any such remark or direction for forwarding this talk, while it > is > very important that the girls should express their views, suggestions and > also their feelings in this regard. > Thanks, > Rakesh. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "Viraj Kafle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:04 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> The debate going on about this issue is very insightful. However, As far >> as >> I feell, we should remember the key issue raised in the beginning by >> Smriti. >> More than about direct sexual assault or rape, what she was trying to >> point >> out is the indirect, but well covered- up cases of sexual harassments >> taking >> place in very institutions which are meant to be protective for them. >> >> Best regards. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> >>> Dear Rakesh: >>> >>> I can't say anything about unusual circumstances, because it is hard for >>> anyone to do anything if a reliable person turn out to be the culprit. >>> >>> The idea of marshal arts isn't something I plucked out from emptiness. >>> There organisations in Chennai, for instance, and I am sure you would >>> find them elsewhere as well, who teach marshal arts to girls, especially >>> vulnerable to sexual assaults. >>> >>> I had a friend, Reshma Sharma, a black belt in Karate, who taught >>> marshal arts to batch of girls who came to her for help and was awarded >>> by the T N govt. So, assuming such things work for normal girls, you can >>> replicate the idea easily with some changes for VI girls as well. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rakesh >>> kumar gupta >>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:38 AM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue >>> >>> Hello Subramani, Smriti and to all, >>> I think that your suggestions are cheerful and implementable and even >>> though >>> may be relevant in present context because "self defense is best weapon >>> for >>> self protection." >>> But, I have some little doubt to implement in practical specially for: >>> Firstly, totally blind girls, who may not be able to see to "the rapper" >>> and >>> Secondly, that crucial time, specially when the rappers are in a group >>> because in this situation, normal trained girls in self defense find to >>> themselves "helpless". >>> Perhaps, all of you are aware better from this real fact that several >>> girls >>> are raped by their relatives even though by their "real Father and real >>> Brother". So, we can't rely upon them completely. >>> Now, please write me if either of you ,have any specific suggestion for >>> regarding to this issue specially for which I have
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I agree. But when a student writes a report even if well supported with accurate data but not supported by any relevant organization, it remains a mere study. The chances that it makes a difference in policies of the government or organizations, is very slim. Smriti is a research fellow, working on a topic related to blind, keeps in touch with me for guidance, it was just a suggestion with a kind of warning of isolation to her to conduct a study in the matter . I again wish her luck if she works on the topic. It might ultimately be quite useful. - Original Message - From: "Harish Kotian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > Hello Tara Prakash > I differ with you that is merely of accademic interest. > If that be the case, all forms of exploitation can be reduced to that one > line. However, in reality that is not the case. Changes are brought about > when one fights against exploitation. The expression of resistance can > vary > on a case by case basis. > Harish. > > - Original Message - > From: "Taraprakash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> So why don't you initiate the discussion? it is a burning issue, agreed. >> But >> what makes you think that there are not enough laws to prevent such a >> despicable thing? >> There are several instances to prove that organizations supposedly >> working >> for the disabled, exploit disability and disabled to maximum extent. It >> requires courage to say and do such stuff. It will make in to a good >> study, >> should you decide pursuing it. But be prepared for isolation in this >> field. >> Ultimately it remains the matter of academic interest, nothing more. Is >> there any organization which claims to be a voice of the disabled and has >> more than 50 % of the disabled employees? How many organizations are >> there >> which can claim they have a written rule that 3 % of the seats will be >> reserved for the disabled according to our constitution? >> I am not trying to sidetrack the issue you raised but expecting something >> significant from NGO's in this regards is expecting a little too much. >> They >> themselves don't practise what they preach. >> Unless things have drastically changed recently, with the exception of >> NAB, >> none of the major organizations employ disabled readily. >> You can start collecting data and publish an interesting study. Rather >> than >> always criticizing media, there is nothing wrong in it, and criticizing >> government, another well -deserved criticism, we must sometime self >> introspect. Is our house really in order? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM >> Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> >>> Hello Accessindia, >>> >>> Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news >>> report, which tells us about a case of a >>> mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in >>> some institution for the mentally-challenged women in >>> Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great >>> concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several >>> visually challenged girls also are being victimised of >>> such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, >>> for instance, we often hear about such cases in many >>> hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in >>> muffled voices. >>> >>> In this list, we have many people who are working for >>> NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. >>> Therefore, I find this list a very significant >>> plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme >>> concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to >>> assert, that there must be some law or some kind of >>> code of conduct to prevents such instances of the >>> visually challenged women's sexual harassments. >>> >>> Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this >>> matter in the list. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Smriti. >>> >>> Smriti Singh >>> Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) >>> Room # 03 >>> Sabarmati Hostel >>> Jawaharlal Nehru University >>> >>> >>> >>> >>&g
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Hello to all, Yes, I am agree with Viraj Kafle. I think, this should be great surprising for our group that we have not received any single comment from a single female in this regard till now, even though after moderating this important and relevant issue, Smriti has not given any such remark or direction for forwarding this talk, while it is very important that the girls should express their views, suggestions and also their feelings in this regard. Thanks, Rakesh. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Viraj Kafle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > The debate going on about this issue is very insightful. However, As far > as > I feell, we should remember the key issue raised in the beginning by > Smriti. > More than about direct sexual assault or rape, what she was trying to > point > out is the indirect, but well covered- up cases of sexual harassments > taking > place in very institutions which are meant to be protective for them. > > Best regards. > > - Original Message - > From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:30 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> Dear Rakesh: >> >> I can't say anything about unusual circumstances, because it is hard for >> anyone to do anything if a reliable person turn out to be the culprit. >> >> The idea of marshal arts isn't something I plucked out from emptiness. >> There organisations in Chennai, for instance, and I am sure you would >> find them elsewhere as well, who teach marshal arts to girls, especially >> vulnerable to sexual assaults. >> >> I had a friend, Reshma Sharma, a black belt in Karate, who taught >> marshal arts to batch of girls who came to her for help and was awarded >> by the T N govt. So, assuming such things work for normal girls, you can >> replicate the idea easily with some changes for VI girls as well. >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rakesh >> kumar gupta >> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:38 AM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> Hello Subramani, Smriti and to all, >> I think that your suggestions are cheerful and implementable and even >> though >> may be relevant in present context because "self defense is best weapon >> for >> self protection." >> But, I have some little doubt to implement in practical specially for: >> Firstly, totally blind girls, who may not be able to see to "the rapper" >> and >> Secondly, that crucial time, specially when the rappers are in a group >> because in this situation, normal trained girls in self defense find to >> themselves "helpless". >> Perhaps, all of you are aware better from this real fact that several >> girls >> are raped by their relatives even though by their "real Father and real >> Brother". So, we can't rely upon them completely. >> Now, please write me if either of you ,have any specific suggestion for >> regarding to this issue specially for which I have pointed out. >> Thanks, >> Rakesh. >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> - Original Message - >> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> >>> Dear Smrithi: >>> >>> I happened to read in a report that mentally retarded girls specially >>> those young, are vulnerable to sexual assaults and the fact that they >>> are vulnerable doesn't help their cause. They have to be protected by >>> parents and those blood-relatives, though it is easier said than done. >>> >>> But, in my opinion, blind girls can learn Karate, carry stuffs like >>> mirchi powder and blades to escape ferom attackers. Marshal arts is >>> something girls in general must learn, as the number of rapes and >> sexual >>> assaults are constantly increasing in India. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of smriti >>> singh >>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue >>> >>> Hello Accessindia, >>> >>> Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news >>> report, which tells us about a case of a >>&g
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The debate going on about this issue is very insightful. However, As far as I feell, we should remember the key issue raised in the beginning by Smriti. More than about direct sexual assault or rape, what she was trying to point out is the indirect, but well covered- up cases of sexual harassments taking place in very institutions which are meant to be protective for them. Best regards. - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > Dear Rakesh: > > I can't say anything about unusual circumstances, because it is hard for > anyone to do anything if a reliable person turn out to be the culprit. > > The idea of marshal arts isn't something I plucked out from emptiness. > There organisations in Chennai, for instance, and I am sure you would > find them elsewhere as well, who teach marshal arts to girls, especially > vulnerable to sexual assaults. > > I had a friend, Reshma Sharma, a black belt in Karate, who taught > marshal arts to batch of girls who came to her for help and was awarded > by the T N govt. So, assuming such things work for normal girls, you can > replicate the idea easily with some changes for VI girls as well. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rakesh > kumar gupta > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:38 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > Hello Subramani, Smriti and to all, > I think that your suggestions are cheerful and implementable and even > though > may be relevant in present context because "self defense is best weapon > for > self protection." > But, I have some little doubt to implement in practical specially for: > Firstly, totally blind girls, who may not be able to see to "the rapper" > and > Secondly, that crucial time, specially when the rappers are in a group > because in this situation, normal trained girls in self defense find to > themselves "helpless". > Perhaps, all of you are aware better from this real fact that several > girls > are raped by their relatives even though by their "real Father and real > Brother". So, we can't rely upon them completely. > Now, please write me if either of you ,have any specific suggestion for > regarding to this issue specially for which I have pointed out. > Thanks, > Rakesh. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:39 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> Dear Smrithi: >> >> I happened to read in a report that mentally retarded girls specially >> those young, are vulnerable to sexual assaults and the fact that they >> are vulnerable doesn't help their cause. They have to be protected by >> parents and those blood-relatives, though it is easier said than done. >> >> But, in my opinion, blind girls can learn Karate, carry stuffs like >> mirchi powder and blades to escape ferom attackers. Marshal arts is >> something girls in general must learn, as the number of rapes and > sexual >> assaults are constantly increasing in India. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of smriti >> singh >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> Hello Accessindia, >> >> Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news >> report, which tells us about a case of a >> mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in >> some institution for the mentally-challenged women in >> Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great >> concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several >> visually challenged girls also are being victimised of >> such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, >> for instance, we often hear about such cases in many >> hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in >> muffled voices. >> >> In this list, we have many people who are working for >> NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. >> Therefore, I find this list a very significant >> plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme >> concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to >> assert, that there must be some law or some kind of >> code of conduct to prevents such instances of the >> visually challenged women's sexual harassments. >> >> Therefore, I would like to have a
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Dear Rakesh: I can't say anything about unusual circumstances, because it is hard for anyone to do anything if a reliable person turn out to be the culprit. The idea of marshal arts isn't something I plucked out from emptiness. There organisations in Chennai, for instance, and I am sure you would find them elsewhere as well, who teach marshal arts to girls, especially vulnerable to sexual assaults. I had a friend, Reshma Sharma, a black belt in Karate, who taught marshal arts to batch of girls who came to her for help and was awarded by the T N govt. So, assuming such things work for normal girls, you can replicate the idea easily with some changes for VI girls as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rakesh kumar gupta Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:38 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue Hello Subramani, Smriti and to all, I think that your suggestions are cheerful and implementable and even though may be relevant in present context because "self defense is best weapon for self protection." But, I have some little doubt to implement in practical specially for: Firstly, totally blind girls, who may not be able to see to "the rapper" and Secondly, that crucial time, specially when the rappers are in a group because in this situation, normal trained girls in self defense find to themselves "helpless". Perhaps, all of you are aware better from this real fact that several girls are raped by their relatives even though by their "real Father and real Brother". So, we can't rely upon them completely. Now, please write me if either of you ,have any specific suggestion for regarding to this issue specially for which I have pointed out. Thanks, Rakesh. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > Dear Smrithi: > > I happened to read in a report that mentally retarded girls specially > those young, are vulnerable to sexual assaults and the fact that they > are vulnerable doesn't help their cause. They have to be protected by > parents and those blood-relatives, though it is easier said than done. > > But, in my opinion, blind girls can learn Karate, carry stuffs like > mirchi powder and blades to escape ferom attackers. Marshal arts is > something girls in general must learn, as the number of rapes and sexual > assaults are constantly increasing in India. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of smriti > singh > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > > Hello Accessindia, > > Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news > report, which tells us about a case of a > mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in > some institution for the mentally-challenged women in > Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great > concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several > visually challenged girls also are being victimised of > such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, > for instance, we often hear about such cases in many > hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in > muffled voices. > > In this list, we have many people who are working for > NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. > Therefore, I find this list a very significant > plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme > concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to > assert, that there must be some law or some kind of > code of conduct to prevents such instances of the > visually challenged women's sexual harassments. > > Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this > matter in the list. > > Regards, > > Smriti. > > Smriti Singh > Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) > Room # 03 > Sabarmati Hostel > Jawaharlal Nehru University > > > > > > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > h
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Hello Subramani, Smriti and to all, I think that your suggestions are cheerful and implementable and even though may be relevant in present context because "self defense is best weapon for self protection." But, I have some little doubt to implement in practical specially for: Firstly, totally blind girls, who may not be able to see to "the rapper" and Secondly, that crucial time, specially when the rappers are in a group because in this situation, normal trained girls in self defense find to themselves "helpless". Perhaps, all of you are aware better from this real fact that several girls are raped by their relatives even though by their "real Father and real Brother". So, we can't rely upon them completely. Now, please write me if either of you ,have any specific suggestion for regarding to this issue specially for which I have pointed out. Thanks, Rakesh. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > Dear Smrithi: > > I happened to read in a report that mentally retarded girls specially > those young, are vulnerable to sexual assaults and the fact that they > are vulnerable doesn't help their cause. They have to be protected by > parents and those blood-relatives, though it is easier said than done. > > But, in my opinion, blind girls can learn Karate, carry stuffs like > mirchi powder and blades to escape ferom attackers. Marshal arts is > something girls in general must learn, as the number of rapes and sexual > assaults are constantly increasing in India. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of smriti > singh > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > > Hello Accessindia, > > Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news > report, which tells us about a case of a > mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in > some institution for the mentally-challenged women in > Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great > concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several > visually challenged girls also are being victimised of > such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, > for instance, we often hear about such cases in many > hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in > muffled voices. > > In this list, we have many people who are working for > NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. > Therefore, I find this list a very significant > plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme > concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to > assert, that there must be some law or some kind of > code of conduct to prevents such instances of the > visually challenged women's sexual harassments. > > Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this > matter in the list. > > Regards, > > Smriti. > > Smriti Singh > Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) > Room # 03 > Sabarmati Hostel > Jawaharlal Nehru University > > > > > > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Dear Smrithi: I happened to read in a report that mentally retarded girls specially those young, are vulnerable to sexual assaults and the fact that they are vulnerable doesn't help their cause. They have to be protected by parents and those blood-relatives, though it is easier said than done. But, in my opinion, blind girls can learn Karate, carry stuffs like mirchi powder and blades to escape ferom attackers. Marshal arts is something girls in general must learn, as the number of rapes and sexual assaults are constantly increasing in India. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of smriti singh Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue Hello Accessindia, Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news report, which tells us about a case of a mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in some institution for the mentally-challenged women in Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several visually challenged girls also are being victimised of such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, for instance, we often hear about such cases in many hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in muffled voices. In this list, we have many people who are working for NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. Therefore, I find this list a very significant plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to assert, that there must be some law or some kind of code of conduct to prevents such instances of the visually challenged women's sexual harassments. Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this matter in the list. Regards, Smriti. Smriti Singh Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) Room # 03 Sabarmati Hostel Jawaharlal Nehru University Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hello Tara Prakash I differ with you that is merely of accademic interest. If that be the case, all forms of exploitation can be reduced to that one line. However, in reality that is not the case. Changes are brought about when one fights against exploitation. The expression of resistance can vary on a case by case basis. Harish. - Original Message - From: "Taraprakash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > So why don't you initiate the discussion? it is a burning issue, agreed. > But > what makes you think that there are not enough laws to prevent such a > despicable thing? > There are several instances to prove that organizations supposedly working > for the disabled, exploit disability and disabled to maximum extent. It > requires courage to say and do such stuff. It will make in to a good > study, > should you decide pursuing it. But be prepared for isolation in this > field. > Ultimately it remains the matter of academic interest, nothing more. Is > there any organization which claims to be a voice of the disabled and has > more than 50 % of the disabled employees? How many organizations are there > which can claim they have a written rule that 3 % of the seats will be > reserved for the disabled according to our constitution? > I am not trying to sidetrack the issue you raised but expecting something > significant from NGO's in this regards is expecting a little too much. > They > themselves don't practise what they preach. > Unless things have drastically changed recently, with the exception of > NAB, > none of the major organizations employ disabled readily. > You can start collecting data and publish an interesting study. Rather > than > always criticizing media, there is nothing wrong in it, and criticizing > government, another well -deserved criticism, we must sometime self > introspect. Is our house really in order? > > - Original Message - > From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM > Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> Hello Accessindia, >> >> Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news >> report, which tells us about a case of a >> mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in >> some institution for the mentally-challenged women in >> Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great >> concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several >> visually challenged girls also are being victimised of >> such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, >> for instance, we often hear about such cases in many >> hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in >> muffled voices. >> >> In this list, we have many people who are working for >> NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. >> Therefore, I find this list a very significant >> plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme >> concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to >> assert, that there must be some law or some kind of >> code of conduct to prevents such instances of the >> visually challenged women's sexual harassments. >> >> Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this >> matter in the list. >> >> Regards, >> >> Smriti. >> >> Smriti Singh >> Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) >> Room # 03 >> Sabarmati Hostel >> Jawaharlal Nehru University >> >> >> >> >> Want to start your own business? >> Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hello Sir, I fully agree with you. Thanks, Rakesh. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "firoz pathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > it is every where even doctors ,lawyers,govt emplyees or private sector > every where crows are black > its not only dis abled women are haressed by sighted men > i know one blind school where blind student girl of tength standard > harressed by blind sir, of same school > institute did not take stern action since reputation of institute at stake > and fear of number of students may decrease > along with out side world blind people are doing any mal practise we must > take stern action > like this many insidents are there > good you raise this topic > my suggestion we must publically punished this blind person and set up an > example to out side world so they get lesson from this > in gujarat last year one blind girl hostel sex racket came out > watch man after drinking in night used to harress girl when blind girls > took > help from some neighbour since they could not able to find out who is the > culprit since they were total blind > out siders started taking advantage instead of helping them > even police did not help them at large > finally media and some organisation came to their rescue > this i heard on tv may be on aaj tak > but after wards what punish ment was given or what happen no body knows no > news paper followed the news after wards > sorry i became so sensitive > > firoz > > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM > Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> Hello Accessindia, >> >> Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news >> report, which tells us about a case of a >> mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in >> some institution for the mentally-challenged women in >> Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great >> concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several >> visually challenged girls also are being victimised of >> such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, >> for instance, we often hear about such cases in many >> hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in >> muffled voices. >> >> In this list, we have many people who are working for >> NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. >> Therefore, I find this list a very significant >> plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme >> concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to >> assert, that there must be some law or some kind of >> code of conduct to prevents such instances of the >> visually challenged women's sexual harassments. >> >> Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this >> matter in the list. >> >> Regards, >> >> Smriti. >> >> Smriti Singh >> Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) >> Room # 03 >> Sabarmati Hostel >> Jawaharlal Nehru University >> >> >> >> >> Want to start your own business? >> Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: >> 11/14/2006 >> >> > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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it is every where even doctors ,lawyers,govt emplyees or private sector every where crows are black its not only dis abled women are haressed by sighted men i know one blind school where blind student girl of tength standard harressed by blind sir, of same school institute did not take stern action since reputation of institute at stake and fear of number of students may decrease along with out side world blind people are doing any mal practise we must take stern action like this many insidents are there good you raise this topic my suggestion we must publically punished this blind person and set up an example to out side world so they get lesson from this in gujarat last year one blind girl hostel sex racket came out watch man after drinking in night used to harress girl when blind girls took help from some neighbour since they could not able to find out who is the culprit since they were total blind out siders started taking advantage instead of helping them even police did not help them at large finally media and some organisation came to their rescue this i heard on tv may be on aaj tak but after wards what punish ment was given or what happen no body knows no news paper followed the news after wards sorry i became so sensitive firoz - Original Message - From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > Hello Accessindia, > > Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news > report, which tells us about a case of a > mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in > some institution for the mentally-challenged women in > Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great > concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several > visually challenged girls also are being victimised of > such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, > for instance, we often hear about such cases in many > hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in > muffled voices. > > In this list, we have many people who are working for > NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. > Therefore, I find this list a very significant > plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme > concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to > assert, that there must be some law or some kind of > code of conduct to prevents such instances of the > visually challenged women's sexual harassments. > > Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this > matter in the list. > > Regards, > > Smriti. > > Smriti Singh > Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) > Room # 03 > Sabarmati Hostel > Jawaharlal Nehru University > > > > > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 11/14/2006 > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Having laws will e help to some extent. But Not as much as we expect. India has maximum laws for everything and anything. Laws are made when there is lawlessness. The victims must themselves stand up and fight which is easier said than done. Unfortunately, the NGOs never stand by victim's side. The NHRC is also a culprit. When stands for some communities, it doesn't care for the disabled. - Original Message - From: "Harishkumar Kotian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > Hi Smriti > > You have raised a very important issue and certainly warrents discussion. > We > need to put together our thinking cap and find some mechanisim to redress > this issue. > > Of course there are laws and legislation concerning this, however it is by > exception followed. > > An important thing is for the victim to open up and not yield to > situations. > > It is for women to first organise themselves and articulate coherently. > > Surely many helping hands would come forward from all quarters. > > Harish > - Original Message - > From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:52 AM > Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> Hello Accessindia, >> >> Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news >> report, which tells us about a case of a >> mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in >> some institution for the mentally-challenged women in >> Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great >> concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several >> visually challenged girls also are being victimised of >> such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, >> for instance, we often hear about such cases in many >> hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in >> muffled voices. >> >> In this list, we have many people who are working for >> NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. >> Therefore, I find this list a very significant >> plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme >> concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to >> assert, that there must be some law or some kind of >> code of conduct to prevents such instances of the >> visually challenged women's sexual harassments. >> >> Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this >> matter in the list. >> >> Regards, >> >> Smriti. >> >> Smriti Singh >> Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) >> Room # 03 >> Sabarmati Hostel >> Jawaharlal Nehru University >> >> >> >> >> Want to start your own business? >> Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hello K. RAMAKRISHNA, Of course, why not!? But without getting support of local general persons specially general women, our joint efforts will not be enough successful and fruitful. Thanks, Rakesh. - Original Message - From: "K Ramkrishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > Dear Smriti Singh, > > The issue that you have raised is really a burning issue. Even in this age > of Technology and economic growth, it is a shame that we are still > witnessing harassment, exploitation and sexual abuse of women in general > and > visually impaired women in particular.I am sure you all will agree that > our > entire system is man-oriented and man-dominated and the case of visually > impaired women is no exception to this. I was indeed disturbed by the fact > that visually impaired women in some hostels in Delhi and other places are > being exploited. Nothing comes free in this world. You have to fight for > equality, equity and justice. We have no. of enlightened ladies in the > group > like Nafissa, Geetha, Anjali, Shalini, etc. I suggest that these ladies > should put in place an orgn. or a system to take up advocacy in the > welfare > of visually impaired women in gen. and against any exploitation of any > kind > of visually impaired women in particular. We should support this venture > and > extend all our co-operation. With all the welfare measures for visually > impaired, on account of my involvement with no. of NGOs engaged in blind > welfare activities, 2 things I have realised. Firstly, we need to do a lot > more for womenfolk & secondly for multiple handicap. With all the > commitment > & support the men can extend, women will have to unite & fight against > exploitation of women. Can we do something in this regard? > > Rgds, > > (K. Ramkrishna) > 2.12.06 > - Original Message - > From: "rakesh kumar gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:34 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> Hello Smriti and to all, >> Nowadays, This type of issues are normally happen due to lack of unity, >> non-awareness about laws, unknowingness about immediate contact persons, >> non-cooperation of local persons and some part of carelessness and >> irresponsible attitude of girls. >> As for concern to our NCR. areas, if any victim blind girls needs such >> help >> in this regard, I am ready to get provide to her maximum help even though >> legal aids from my personal advocate at my own cost. >> I appeal to everyone of us, please come forward and help to each victim >> of >> your local area in this regard and mobilize to other persons for getting >> such cooperation in this way because this type of issues can not be >> solved >> by a single person or a minor group, while "Laws are taken in hands and >> openly broken by Law Protectors". >> Thanks, >> Rakesh Kumar Gupta. >> Mob: 9868250258, >> Landline: 95120-2611158. >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:52 AM >> Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue >> >> >>> Hello Accessindia, >>> >>> Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news >>> report, which tells us about a case of a >>> mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in >>> some institution for the mentally-challenged women in >>> Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great >>> concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several >>> visually challenged girls also are being victimised of >>> such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, >>> for instance, we often hear about such cases in many >>> hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in >>> muffled voices. >>> >>> In this list, we have many people who are working for >>> NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. >>> Therefore, I find this list a very significant >>> plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme >>> concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to >>> assert, that there must be some law or some kind of >>> code of conduct to prevents such instances of the >>> visually challenged women's sexual harassments. >>> >>> Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this >>> matter in the list. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Smriti. >>> >>>
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On 12/1/06, smriti singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Accessindia, > > Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news > report, which tells us about a case of a > mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in > some institution for the mentally-challenged women in > Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great > concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several > visually challenged girls also are being victimised of > such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, > for instance, we often hear about such cases in many > hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in > muffled voices. > > In this list, we have many people who are working for > NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. > Therefore, I find this list a very significant > plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme > concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to > assert, that there must be some law or some kind of > code of conduct to prevents such instances of the > visually challenged women's sexual harassments. > > Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this > matter in the list. > > Regards, > > Smriti. > > Smriti Singh > Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) > Room # 03 > Sabarmati Hostel > Jawaharlal Nehru University > > > > > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > hey it is not only about the visually challanged girls are gating harassed in delhi infact it is difficult for a cighted girls to live in delhi. the irony is that delhi is the capital of india and the police protection is absolutely bad in delhi. this is on a very serious note that we have to do something to bring law an order in the capital. however the question arises what should we do in delhi or rather in the entire country to make this country livable for women. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Dear Smriti Singh, The issue that you have raised is really a burning issue. Even in this age of Technology and economic growth, it is a shame that we are still witnessing harassment, exploitation and sexual abuse of women in general and visually impaired women in particular.I am sure you all will agree that our entire system is man-oriented and man-dominated and the case of visually impaired women is no exception to this. I was indeed disturbed by the fact that visually impaired women in some hostels in Delhi and other places are being exploited. Nothing comes free in this world. You have to fight for equality, equity and justice. We have no. of enlightened ladies in the group like Nafissa, Geetha, Anjali, Shalini, etc. I suggest that these ladies should put in place an orgn. or a system to take up advocacy in the welfare of visually impaired women in gen. and against any exploitation of any kind of visually impaired women in particular. We should support this venture and extend all our co-operation. With all the welfare measures for visually impaired, on account of my involvement with no. of NGOs engaged in blind welfare activities, 2 things I have realised. Firstly, we need to do a lot more for womenfolk & secondly for multiple handicap. With all the commitment & support the men can extend, women will have to unite & fight against exploitation of women. Can we do something in this regard? Rgds, (K. Ramkrishna) 2.12.06 - Original Message - From: "rakesh kumar gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > Hello Smriti and to all, > Nowadays, This type of issues are normally happen due to lack of unity, > non-awareness about laws, unknowingness about immediate contact persons, > non-cooperation of local persons and some part of carelessness and > irresponsible attitude of girls. > As for concern to our NCR. areas, if any victim blind girls needs such > help > in this regard, I am ready to get provide to her maximum help even though > legal aids from my personal advocate at my own cost. > I appeal to everyone of us, please come forward and help to each victim of > your local area in this regard and mobilize to other persons for getting > such cooperation in this way because this type of issues can not be solved > by a single person or a minor group, while "Laws are taken in hands and > openly broken by Law Protectors". > Thanks, > Rakesh Kumar Gupta. > Mob: 9868250258, > Landline: 95120-2611158. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:52 AM > Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> Hello Accessindia, >> >> Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news >> report, which tells us about a case of a >> mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in >> some institution for the mentally-challenged women in >> Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great >> concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several >> visually challenged girls also are being victimised of >> such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, >> for instance, we often hear about such cases in many >> hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in >> muffled voices. >> >> In this list, we have many people who are working for >> NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. >> Therefore, I find this list a very significant >> plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme >> concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to >> assert, that there must be some law or some kind of >> code of conduct to prevents such instances of the >> visually challenged women's sexual harassments. >> >> Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this >> matter in the list. >> >> Regards, >> >> Smriti. >> >> Smriti Singh >> Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) >> Room # 03 >> Sabarmati Hostel >> Jawaharlal Nehru University >> >> >> >> >> Want to start your own business? >> Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messeng
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yes! i fully agree with you. - Original Message - From: "Taraprakash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [AI] A Burning Issue > So why don't you initiate the discussion? it is a burning issue, agreed. > But > what makes you think that there are not enough laws to prevent such a > despicable thing? > There are several instances to prove that organizations supposedly working > for the disabled, exploit disability and disabled to maximum extent. It > requires courage to say and do such stuff. It will make in to a good > study, > should you decide pursuing it. But be prepared for isolation in this > field. > Ultimately it remains the matter of academic interest, nothing more. Is > there any organization which claims to be a voice of the disabled and has > more than 50 % of the disabled employees? How many organizations are there > which can claim they have a written rule that 3 % of the seats will be > reserved for the disabled according to our constitution? > I am not trying to sidetrack the issue you raised but expecting something > significant from NGO's in this regards is expecting a little too much. > They > themselves don't practise what they preach. > Unless things have drastically changed recently, with the exception of > NAB, > none of the major organizations employ disabled readily. > You can start collecting data and publish an interesting study. Rather > than > always criticizing media, there is nothing wrong in it, and criticizing > government, another well -deserved criticism, we must sometime self > introspect. Is our house really in order? > > - Original Message - > From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM > Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > > >> Hello Accessindia, >> >> Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news >> report, which tells us about a case of a >> mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in >> some institution for the mentally-challenged women in >> Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great >> concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several >> visually challenged girls also are being victimised of >> such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, >> for instance, we often hear about such cases in many >> hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in >> muffled voices. >> >> In this list, we have many people who are working for >> NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. >> Therefore, I find this list a very significant >> plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme >> concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to >> assert, that there must be some law or some kind of >> code of conduct to prevents such instances of the >> visually challenged women's sexual harassments. >> >> Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this >> matter in the list. >> >> Regards, >> >> Smriti. >> >> Smriti Singh >> Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) >> Room # 03 >> Sabarmati Hostel >> Jawaharlal Nehru University >> >> >> >> >> Want to start your own business? >> Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > DISCLAIMER: The Information transmitted in this email is solely for the addressee. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken by anyone other than by the intended recipient is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient then kindly delete the mail from your system. Any opinion or views expressed in this mail may not necessarily reflect that of Punjab National Bank. The bank considers unencrypted email as an insecure mode of communication. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hello Smriti and to all, Nowadays, This type of issues are normally happen due to lack of unity, non-awareness about laws, unknowingness about immediate contact persons, non-cooperation of local persons and some part of carelessness and irresponsible attitude of girls. As for concern to our NCR. areas, if any victim blind girls needs such help in this regard, I am ready to get provide to her maximum help even though legal aids from my personal advocate at my own cost. I appeal to everyone of us, please come forward and help to each victim of your local area in this regard and mobilize to other persons for getting such cooperation in this way because this type of issues can not be solved by a single person or a minor group, while "Laws are taken in hands and openly broken by Law Protectors". Thanks, Rakesh Kumar Gupta. Mob: 9868250258, Landline: 95120-2611158. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > Hello Accessindia, > > Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news > report, which tells us about a case of a > mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in > some institution for the mentally-challenged women in > Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great > concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several > visually challenged girls also are being victimised of > such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, > for instance, we often hear about such cases in many > hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in > muffled voices. > > In this list, we have many people who are working for > NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. > Therefore, I find this list a very significant > plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme > concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to > assert, that there must be some law or some kind of > code of conduct to prevents such instances of the > visually challenged women's sexual harassments. > > Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this > matter in the list. > > Regards, > > Smriti. > > Smriti Singh > Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) > Room # 03 > Sabarmati Hostel > Jawaharlal Nehru University > > > > > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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So why don't you initiate the discussion? it is a burning issue, agreed. But what makes you think that there are not enough laws to prevent such a despicable thing? There are several instances to prove that organizations supposedly working for the disabled, exploit disability and disabled to maximum extent. It requires courage to say and do such stuff. It will make in to a good study, should you decide pursuing it. But be prepared for isolation in this field. Ultimately it remains the matter of academic interest, nothing more. Is there any organization which claims to be a voice of the disabled and has more than 50 % of the disabled employees? How many organizations are there which can claim they have a written rule that 3 % of the seats will be reserved for the disabled according to our constitution? I am not trying to sidetrack the issue you raised but expecting something significant from NGO's in this regards is expecting a little too much. They themselves don't practise what they preach. Unless things have drastically changed recently, with the exception of NAB, none of the major organizations employ disabled readily. You can start collecting data and publish an interesting study. Rather than always criticizing media, there is nothing wrong in it, and criticizing government, another well -deserved criticism, we must sometime self introspect. Is our house really in order? - Original Message - From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > Hello Accessindia, > > Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news > report, which tells us about a case of a > mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in > some institution for the mentally-challenged women in > Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great > concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several > visually challenged girls also are being victimised of > such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, > for instance, we often hear about such cases in many > hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in > muffled voices. > > In this list, we have many people who are working for > NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. > Therefore, I find this list a very significant > plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme > concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to > assert, that there must be some law or some kind of > code of conduct to prevents such instances of the > visually challenged women's sexual harassments. > > Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this > matter in the list. > > Regards, > > Smriti. > > Smriti Singh > Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) > Room # 03 > Sabarmati Hostel > Jawaharlal Nehru University > > > > > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hi Smriti You have raised a very important issue and certainly warrents discussion. We need to put together our thinking cap and find some mechanisim to redress this issue. Of course there are laws and legislation concerning this, however it is by exception followed. An important thing is for the victim to open up and not yield to situations. It is for women to first organise themselves and articulate coherently. Surely many helping hands would come forward from all quarters. Harish - Original Message - From: "smriti singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: [AI] A Burning Issue > Hello Accessindia, > > Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news > report, which tells us about a case of a > mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in > some institution for the mentally-challenged women in > Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great > concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several > visually challenged girls also are being victimised of > such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, > for instance, we often hear about such cases in many > hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in > muffled voices. > > In this list, we have many people who are working for > NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. > Therefore, I find this list a very significant > plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme > concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to > assert, that there must be some law or some kind of > code of conduct to prevents such instances of the > visually challenged women's sexual harassments. > > Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this > matter in the list. > > Regards, > > Smriti. > > Smriti Singh > Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) > Room # 03 > Sabarmati Hostel > Jawaharlal Nehru University > > > > > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] A Burning Issue
Hello Accessindia, Some of you must have come across a recent NDTV news report, which tells us about a case of a mentally-challenged girl being sexually harassed in some institution for the mentally-challenged women in Gaziabad. The issue is, and must be, a matter of great concern for each one of us. Like it or not, several visually challenged girls also are being victimised of such malpractices in several institutions. In Delhi, for instance, we often hear about such cases in many hostels for college-going visually challenged girls in muffled voices. In this list, we have many people who are working for NGOs and various other kinds of such activities. Therefore, I find this list a very significant plateform for the discussion of issues of an extreme concern like this. I strongly feell, and would like to assert, that there must be some law or some kind of code of conduct to prevents such instances of the visually challenged women's sexual harassments. Therefore, I would like to have a discussion on this matter in the list. Regards, Smriti. Smriti Singh Programme: M. Phil (English Literature) Room # 03 Sabarmati Hostel Jawaharlal Nehru University Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
