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Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-08 Thread Prerna Sobti

One more response came to my mind, and I could not stop sharing that also, dude, I am just physically blind, but unfortunately you are… just leave it at that and move on simple.Prerna Sobti On May 7, 2024, at 9:52 AM, Cauvery Krishna  wrote:These are some of the experiences had by one of my  students of which I don't have an answer. Could you please help me.1. Di, I am a visually impaired  MBA student, pursuing MBA from an IIM. I was with a senior at the grocery store of our campus, i waited as the senior got ice cream for both of us. The shopkeeper said, "inko bolo kal aane k liye, kal meri taraf se mai inko kuch dunga. Ice cream ya juice kuch dunga meri taraf se." Which roughly translates to, "ask him to come tomorrow, I'll give him an ice cream or juice from my side." So the question is why would the shopkeeper have said the same? I am an MBA student, I was wearing clean clothes, I was holding a forty thousand rupees phone in one hand and a white stick in the other hand. I don't understand did he think I can't afford a Rs 50 ice cream? I am paying the equal amount of fees but upon my survey he never said anything like this to any of the sighted or non disabled students. Why was the ice cream ? For merely being blind?2.  Di, one of my batchmates said, "how is the preparation for the exams going? Do one thing, come let me teach you, I'll get punya by teaching you." Why is it? Why can't people with blindness just exist? What is this attachment of punya if we help the blind we'll get punya? Are we humans or some divine entity. If you don't get punya by helping or teaching a sighted or a non disabled person then why punya from the blind? Please suggest how I can help my student, as clearly, she is in a lot of stress by these experiences. Regards. Cauvery She/her.



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Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-08 Thread Prerna Sobti

Hi allIn the beginning itself, I humbly write the disclaimer that I am a late life, visually impaired person, and some of you may not resonate with my thoughts, but I am still sharing it, why do we have to give so much of gyaan कयाैन  to such ignorant souls and waste our energy ?If it was me instead of this student, I would have simply said why have you done so many paap ? That there was a need of such activities in your life? Instead let me teach you and earn some forgiveness for my karma is to get a friend like you period in the ice cream shop experience, I would have given the same retort adding I will bring some of and children for you to feed and on some forgiveness for your bad karma’s. As I did one, I coming to your Parlour simple give them back what they deserve. No clarification no explanation required for such people, that is what I feel and that is what I have done and that is what happened doing ever since I lost my eyesight.Listen when I was a sighted person, I at that time was not bothered about peoples reactions and expressions about my action an and now when I can’t even see them, it’s really makes nothing change in my life at all. Let them be flabbergasted with your rewards make them speechless is what I will do. I may be wrong but that’s the way I think.Goodluck bestPrerna Sobti On May 7, 2024, at 9:52 AM, Cauvery Krishna  wrote:These are some of the experiences had by one of my  students of which I don't have an answer. Could you please help me.1. Di, I am a visually impaired  MBA student, pursuing MBA from an IIM. I was with a senior at the grocery store of our campus, i waited as the senior got ice cream for both of us. The shopkeeper said, "inko bolo kal aane k liye, kal meri taraf se mai inko kuch dunga. Ice cream ya juice kuch dunga meri taraf se." Which roughly translates to, "ask him to come tomorrow, I'll give him an ice cream or juice from my side." So the question is why would the shopkeeper have said the same? I am an MBA student, I was wearing clean clothes, I was holding a forty thousand rupees phone in one hand and a white stick in the other hand. I don't understand did he think I can't afford a Rs 50 ice cream? I am paying the equal amount of fees but upon my survey he never said anything like this to any of the sighted or non disabled students. Why was the ice cream ? For merely being blind?2.  Di, one of my batchmates said, "how is the preparation for the exams going? Do one thing, come let me teach you, I'll get punya by teaching you." Why is it? Why can't people with blindness just exist? What is this attachment of punya if we help the blind we'll get punya? Are we humans or some divine entity. If you don't get punya by helping or teaching a sighted or a non disabled person then why punya from the blind? Please suggest how I can help my student, as clearly, she is in a lot of stress by these experiences. Regards. Cauvery She/her.



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RE: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-07 Thread Yamuna Jivana Dasa

Hi,

People may be soft-heartedly feeling sympathetic seeing us as blind. No harm 
intended. We simply accept their feeling of compassion, bless them from the 
heart and move on. They could do with some punya even if that is true anyway. 
Or at least they could do with some blessings from us for the help or facility 
they might provide us, blind or not as we may be!

Just my thoughts.

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Cauvery Krishna
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 9:52 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done 
for the same?

 

These are some of the experiences had by one of my  students of which I don't 
have an answer. Could you please help me.

1. Di, I am a visually impaired  MBA student, pursuing MBA from an IIM. I was 
with a senior at the grocery store of our campus, i waited as the senior got 
ice cream for both of us. The shopkeeper said, "inko bolo kal aane k liye, kal 
meri taraf se mai inko kuch dunga. Ice cream ya juice kuch dunga meri taraf 
se." Which roughly translates to, "ask him to come tomorrow, I'll give him an 
ice cream or juice from my side." So the question is why would the shopkeeper 
have said the same? I am an MBA student, I was wearing clean clothes, I was 
holding a forty thousand rupees phone in one hand and a white stick in the 
other hand. I don't understand did he think I can't afford a Rs 50 ice cream? I 
am paying the equal amount of fees but upon my survey he never said anything 
like this to any of the sighted or non disabled students. Why was the ice cream 
? For merely being blind?

2.  Di, one of my batchmates said, "how is the preparation for the exams going? 
Do one thing, come let me teach you, I'll get punya by teaching you." Why is 
it? Why can't people with blindness just exist? What is this attachment of 
punya if we help the blind we'll get punya? Are we humans or some divine 
entity. If you don't get punya by helping or teaching a sighted or a non 
disabled person then why punya from the blind? 

Please suggest how I can help my student, as clearly, she is in a lot of stress 
by these experiences. 

Regards. 

Cauvery She/her.

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Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-07 Thread Shadab Husain

My name isn’t Sigmund Freud, but I think that for this student the opposite
of success isn’t sloth – it’s running after flies that are meant to be
fanned away.

The truism says, success requires sacrifices. Many times it’s not enough
for you to sacrifice your sleep, hunger, comfort etc., though we rarely
think beyond them.

The devil attacks where you’re least expecting him from.

I have had a string of rude experiences, some coming out from people who I
thought to be my dearest friends, and they have burned my heart to the
core. But if your priorities are defined, you have to move ahead, no matter
the pain.

Additionally, attaching your blindness with every ill treatment that you
face isn’t wise, because every single person on this earth suffers from it.

Whether people talk politely or rudely with me, I’m quick to conclude my
blindness to be its cause, but my prejudice gets scrubbed off when I see
them behaving with others also in the same way.

I could be more resourceful than some other blind, but I think that they’re
happier and more contented with their lives because they know what to
welcome and what to put out the window. I get this feeling when I mingle
with them. they may not talk philosophy or read voluminous books, but they
have the right approach for things.

I therefore feel that this student must seek opportunities to mix up with
other blind people. She could go to trips and conferences and see how
terribly funny and hard the blind are.

Your fingers touch a boiling bowl. Option A: keep them there and option B:
snatch them away.

Your heart touches a boiling emotion. Option A: force your heart to burn
and option B: move it away to put it in a meaningful pursuit.

An Urdu poet said, There’re far greater problems in this life to think
about than just being deceived in love!

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 1:06 PM Ronit Gadsing  wrote:

> I agree with below views of senior members.
>
> Just to add more and summarise
>
> Please worry about uncontrollable and trust your capabilities. The modern
> medical research reveals that human brain is hardwired to produce best
> outcome when it faces constant hardships. World is kind and cruel for
> everyone, initially struggles may be more but you never know this is how
> you will find a way and opportunity to grow and excel.
>
> With best regards,
> Ronit
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024, 12:19 PM 'Mohammed Asif Asif Iqbal (IN)' via
> AccessIndia  wrote:
>
>> I recall my earlier year in my career when my boss told me channelize
>> your energy in such things where you may expect positive outcome.  Please
>> tell your student that she should invest her time where positive impact on
>> entire disability community can be made rather than sensitizing ice-cream
>> vendor.  It is unfair world and we have to chose our battle as we have
>> limited resources.
>>
>> Jai Hind
>>
>> Asif
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in  *On
>> Behalf Of *Sandeep Singh
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 7, 2024 11:57 AM
>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And
>> what can be done for the same?
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree. Let's not take everything to our hearts. Try to senticize only
>> those around or whenever we get an opportunity to address a large
>> gathering. Otherwise, let our deeds and actions speak for themselves. If
>> somebody is so unaware, it's their problem.
>>
>> Keep smiling, and try to take a few things in your stride!
>>
>> Warmly
>>
>> Sandeep
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 11:36 AM Shek Mohammad Ali 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Please teach them to be rational rather being emotional on these parts.
>>
>> I have gone with such uncountable experiences and maturity comforts you
>> by ages.
>>
>> Also I feel that we should not waste our timing to sensitise everybody on
>> the earth.
>>
>> Sometimes harsh responses will touch their heart.
>>
>> Once I was having my drink and someone who was seated in front seat ask
>> does he also take? Then I straight away replied Am I not a human.
>>
>> Then he started conversing with me in a friendly manner.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in  *On
>> Behalf Of *Prakash Kamat
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 7, 2024 11:22 AM
>> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And
>> what can be done for the same?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sad reality out of an age-old-perception is, our society is built on
>> traditional thought to see disability ONLY charity-based. Therefore Young,
>> educated,highly qualified people with disability with disability and people
>> who work in this sector should NOT get demoralised or upset by these
>> incidents. They only show us how still there is lack of awareness about
>> Rights-based disability,around us. So this is challenge for us. So take out
>> 2-3 minutes and without getting angry,annoyed explain to these people that
>> persons with disability like "me",like "my student"

Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-07 Thread Ronit Gadsing

I agree with below views of senior members.

Just to add more and summarise

Please worry about uncontrollable and trust your capabilities. The modern
medical research reveals that human brain is hardwired to produce best
outcome when it faces constant hardships. World is kind and cruel for
everyone, initially struggles may be more but you never know this is how
you will find a way and opportunity to grow and excel.

With best regards,
Ronit

On Tue, May 7, 2024, 12:19 PM 'Mohammed Asif Asif Iqbal (IN)' via
AccessIndia  wrote:

> I recall my earlier year in my career when my boss told me channelize your
> energy in such things where you may expect positive outcome.  Please tell
> your student that she should invest her time where positive impact on
> entire disability community can be made rather than sensitizing ice-cream
> vendor.  It is unfair world and we have to chose our battle as we have
> limited resources.
>
> Jai Hind
>
> Asif
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in  *On
> Behalf Of *Sandeep Singh
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 7, 2024 11:57 AM
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what
> can be done for the same?
>
>
>
> I agree. Let's not take everything to our hearts. Try to senticize only
> those around or whenever we get an opportunity to address a large
> gathering. Otherwise, let our deeds and actions speak for themselves. If
> somebody is so unaware, it's their problem.
>
> Keep smiling, and try to take a few things in your stride!
>
> Warmly
>
> Sandeep
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 11:36 AM Shek Mohammad Ali 
> wrote:
>
> Please teach them to be rational rather being emotional on these parts.
>
> I have gone with such uncountable experiences and maturity comforts you by
> ages.
>
> Also I feel that we should not waste our timing to sensitise everybody on
> the earth.
>
> Sometimes harsh responses will touch their heart.
>
> Once I was having my drink and someone who was seated in front seat ask
> does he also take? Then I straight away replied Am I not a human.
>
> Then he started conversing with me in a friendly manner.
>
>
>
> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in  *On
> Behalf Of *Prakash Kamat
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 7, 2024 11:22 AM
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what
> can be done for the same?
>
>
>
> Sad reality out of an age-old-perception is, our society is built on
> traditional thought to see disability ONLY charity-based. Therefore Young,
> educated,highly qualified people with disability with disability and people
> who work in this sector should NOT get demoralised or upset by these
> incidents. They only show us how still there is lack of awareness about
> Rights-based disability,around us. So this is challenge for us. So take out
> 2-3 minutes and without getting angry,annoyed explain to these people that
> persons with disability like "me",like "my student" dont need charity,
> pity. They are first persons like you and me Sir. Only difference is they
> have a disability like vision deficiency. With education and
> qualifications  they are equally,some times more competent and qualified.
> Technology and education have empowered them.As per the Constitution of
> India which governs all of us, Sir these PswD have equal rights to FULLY
> participate in the day-today development process in the society ON PAR WITH
> OTHERS...And as per law if they cant get this participation anywhere in
> public spaces due to barriers, it is OUR DUTY Sir to work/raise voice as an
> inclusive society to remove these barriers so that their participation is
> Full and on par with others.
>
> So Sir, this young man in front of you does not need free ice cream from
> you, he wants a hand of empathy from you.
>
> So Sir, this young student in front of you does not need free tuition from
> you for you to achieve Punya, he and all other persons with disability want
> your hand of empathy सहसंवेदना...Spread this message around and change
> people's mindset towards disability...that will fetch Punya for you
>
>
>
> On Tue, 7 May, 2024, 9:56 am Austin Pinto, 
> wrote:
>
> only 1 thing can be done.
>
> if some1 says something, you can ask them like for example
>
> why will you get  punya by teaching me, you cant get  punya by teaching
> some sighted person?
>
> and so on.
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:52 AM Cauvery Krishna <
> cauverykrishna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> These are some of the experiences had by one of my  students of which I
> don't have an answer. Could you please help me.
>
> 1. Di, I am a visually impaired  MBA student, pursuing MBA from an IIM. I
> was with a senior at the grocery store of our campus, i waited as the
> senior got ice cream for both of us. The shopkeeper said, "inko bolo kal
> aane k liye, kal meri taraf se mai inko kuch dunga. Ice cream ya juice kuch
> dunga meri taraf se." Which roughly translates to, "ask him

RE: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-07 Thread Preeti Monga

A lot of great suggestions have been made here. I wish to offer  to help the 
student to come out of her distress regarding what people say to us when they 
find out we are blind! Please feel free to share my number with her and I will 
try to do my best to help her get over all these silly things! 

I say silly things is because that is only what it is!

Everyone wants to feel grater and better than  the other person! When they the 
sighted world sees us as performing citizens, it is very painful and difficult 
for them to digest this matter and they wish to somehow dampen our spirit and 
put us down so that we get out of the race ourselves and leave  all the success 
to them!

I don’t think we need to waste our time changing people, for it is so very 
difficult for anyone to change oneself, so how can we even imagine  that we can 
change the world! Just do your best and just feelsympathy for people who 
treat us like that!

Just do your thing and be happy! For when you are successful only then you 
become the target for people to shoot down!

Warmly

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From: 'Mohammed Asif Asif Iqbal (IN)' via AccessIndia 
[mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] 
Sent: 07 May 2024 12:19
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be 
done for the same?

 

I recall my earlier year in my career when my boss told me channelize your 
energy in such things where you may expect positive outcome.  Please tell your 
student that she should invest her time where positive impact on entire 
disability community can be made rather than sensitizing ice-cream vendor.  It 
is unfair world and we have to chose our battle as we have limited resources.

Jai Hind

Asif 

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > On 
Behalf Of Sandeep Singh
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 11:57 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
Subject: Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be 
done for the same?

 

I agree. Let's not take everything to our hearts. Try to senticize only those 
around or whenever we get an opportunity to address a large gathering. 
Otherwise, let our deeds and actions speak for themselves. If somebody is so 
unaware, it's their problem.

Keep smiling, and try to take a few things in your stride!

Warmly

Sandeep

 

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 11:36 AM Shek Mohammad Ali mailto:shahid.se...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Please teach them to be rational rather being emotional on these parts.

I have gone with such uncountable experiences and maturity comforts you by ages.

Also I feel that we should not waste our timing to sensitise everybody on the 
earth.

Sometimes harsh responses will touch their heart.

Once I was having my drink and someone who was seated in front seat ask does he 
also take? Then I straight away replied Am I not a human.

Then he started conversing with me in a friendly manner.

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > On 
Behalf Of Prakash Kamat
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 11:22 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
Subject: Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be 
done for the same?

 

Sad reality out of an age-old-perception is, our society is built on 
traditional thought to see disability ONLY charity-based. Therefore Young, 
educated,highly qualified people with disability with disability and people who 
work in this sector should NOT get demoralised or upset by these incidents. 
They only show us how still there is lack of awareness about Rights-based 
disability,around us. So this is challenge for us. So take out 2-3 minutes and 
without getting angry,annoyed explain to these people that persons with 
disability like "me",like "my student" dont need charity, pity. They are first 
persons like you and me Sir. Only difference is they have a disability like 
vision deficiency. With education and qualifications  they are equally,some 
times more competent and qualified. Technology and education have empowered 
them.As per the Constitution of India which governs all of us, Sir these PswD 
have equal rights to FULLY participate in the day-today

RE: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-07 Thread 'Mohammed Asif Asif Iqbal (IN)' via AccessIndia

I recall my earlier year in my career when my boss told me channelize your 
energy in such things where you may expect positive outcome.  Please tell your 
student that she should invest her time where positive impact on entire 
disability community can be made rather than sensitizing ice-cream vendor.  It 
is unfair world and we have to chose our battle as we have limited resources.
Jai Hind
Asif


From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Sandeep Singh
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 11:57 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be 
done for the same?

I agree. Let's not take everything to our hearts. Try to senticize only those 
around or whenever we get an opportunity to address a large gathering. 
Otherwise, let our deeds and actions speak for themselves. If somebody is so 
unaware, it's their problem.
Keep smiling, and try to take a few things in your stride!
Warmly
Sandeep

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 11:36 AM Shek Mohammad Ali 
mailto:shahid.se...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Please teach them to be rational rather being emotional on these parts.
I have gone with such uncountable experiences and maturity comforts you by ages.
Also I feel that we should not waste our timing to sensitise everybody on the 
earth.
Sometimes harsh responses will touch their heart.
Once I was having my drink and someone who was seated in front seat ask does he 
also take? Then I straight away replied Am I not a human.
Then he started conversing with me in a friendly manner.

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>> On 
Behalf Of Prakash Kamat
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 11:22 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be 
done for the same?

Sad reality out of an age-old-perception is, our society is built on 
traditional thought to see disability ONLY charity-based. Therefore Young, 
educated,highly qualified people with disability with disability and people who 
work in this sector should NOT get demoralised or upset by these incidents. 
They only show us how still there is lack of awareness about Rights-based 
disability,around us. So this is challenge for us. So take out 2-3 minutes and 
without getting angry,annoyed explain to these people that persons with 
disability like "me",like "my student" dont need charity, pity. They are first 
persons like you and me Sir. Only difference is they have a disability like 
vision deficiency. With education and qualifications  they are equally,some 
times more competent and qualified. Technology and education have empowered 
them.As per the Constitution of India which governs all of us, Sir these PswD 
have equal rights to FULLY participate in the day-today development process in 
the society ON PAR WITH OTHERS...And as per law if they cant get this 
participation anywhere in public spaces due to barriers, it is OUR DUTY Sir to 
work/raise voice as an inclusive society to remove these barriers so that their 
participation is Full and on par with others.
So Sir, this young man in front of you does not need free ice cream from you, 
he wants a hand of empathy from you.
So Sir, this young student in front of you does not need free tuition from you 
for you to achieve Punya, he and all other persons with disability want your 
hand of empathy सहसंवेदना...Spread this message around and change people's 
mindset towards disability...that will fetch Punya for you

On Tue, 7 May, 2024, 9:56 am Austin Pinto, 
mailto:austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
only 1 thing can be done.
if some1 says something, you can ask them like for example
why will you get  punya by teaching me, you cant get  punya by teaching some 
sighted person?
and so on.
On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:52 AM Cauvery Krishna 
mailto:cauverykrishna...@gmail.com>> wrote:
These are some of the experiences had by one of my  students of which I don't 
have an answer. Could you please help me.
1. Di, I am a visually impaired  MBA student, pursuing MBA from an IIM. I was 
with a senior at the grocery store of our campus, i waited as the senior got 
ice cream for both of us. The shopkeeper said, "inko bolo kal aane k liye, kal 
meri taraf se mai inko kuch dunga. Ice cream ya juice kuch dunga meri taraf 
se." Which roughly translates to, "ask him to come tomorrow, I'll give him an 
ice cream or juice from my side." So the question is why would the shopkeeper 
have said the same? I am an MBA student, I was wearing clean clothes, I was 
holding a forty thousand rupees phone in one hand and a white stick in the 
other hand. I don't understand did he think I can't afford a Rs 50 ice cream? I 
am paying the equal amount of fees but upon my survey he never said anything 
like this to any of the sighted or non disabled students. Why was the ice cream 
? For merely being blind?
2.  Di, one of

Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-07 Thread Sandeep Singh

I agree. Let's not take everything to our hearts. Try to senticize only
those around or whenever we get an opportunity to address a large
gathering. Otherwise, let our deeds and actions speak for themselves. If
somebody is so unaware, it's their problem.
Keep smiling, and try to take a few things in your stride!
Warmly
Sandeep

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 11:36 AM Shek Mohammad Ali 
wrote:

> Please teach them to be rational rather being emotional on these parts.
>
> I have gone with such uncountable experiences and maturity comforts you by
> ages.
>
> Also I feel that we should not waste our timing to sensitise everybody on
> the earth.
>
> Sometimes harsh responses will touch their heart.
>
> Once I was having my drink and someone who was seated in front seat ask
> does he also take? Then I straight away replied Am I not a human.
>
> Then he started conversing with me in a friendly manner.
>
>
>
> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in  *On
> Behalf Of *Prakash Kamat
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 7, 2024 11:22 AM
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what
> can be done for the same?
>
>
>
> Sad reality out of an age-old-perception is, our society is built on
> traditional thought to see disability ONLY charity-based. Therefore Young,
> educated,highly qualified people with disability with disability and people
> who work in this sector should NOT get demoralised or upset by these
> incidents. They only show us how still there is lack of awareness about
> Rights-based disability,around us. So this is challenge for us. So take out
> 2-3 minutes and without getting angry,annoyed explain to these people that
> persons with disability like "me",like "my student" dont need charity,
> pity. They are first persons like you and me Sir. Only difference is they
> have a disability like vision deficiency. With education and
> qualifications  they are equally,some times more competent and qualified.
> Technology and education have empowered them.As per the Constitution of
> India which governs all of us, Sir these PswD have equal rights to FULLY
> participate in the day-today development process in the society ON PAR WITH
> OTHERS...And as per law if they cant get this participation anywhere in
> public spaces due to barriers, it is OUR DUTY Sir to work/raise voice as an
> inclusive society to remove these barriers so that their participation is
> Full and on par with others.
>
> So Sir, this young man in front of you does not need free ice cream from
> you, he wants a hand of empathy from you.
>
> So Sir, this young student in front of you does not need free tuition from
> you for you to achieve Punya, he and all other persons with disability want
> your hand of empathy सहसंवेदना...Spread this message around and change
> people's mindset towards disability...that will fetch Punya for you
>
>
>
> On Tue, 7 May, 2024, 9:56 am Austin Pinto, 
> wrote:
>
> only 1 thing can be done.
>
> if some1 says something, you can ask them like for example
>
> why will you get  punya by teaching me, you cant get  punya by teaching
> some sighted person?
>
> and so on.
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:52 AM Cauvery Krishna <
> cauverykrishna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> These are some of the experiences had by one of my  students of which I
> don't have an answer. Could you please help me.
>
> 1. Di, I am a visually impaired  MBA student, pursuing MBA from an IIM. I
> was with a senior at the grocery store of our campus, i waited as the
> senior got ice cream for both of us. The shopkeeper said, "inko bolo kal
> aane k liye, kal meri taraf se mai inko kuch dunga. Ice cream ya juice kuch
> dunga meri taraf se." Which roughly translates to, "ask him to come
> tomorrow, I'll give him an ice cream or juice from my side." So the
> question is why would the shopkeeper have said the same? I am an MBA
> student, I was wearing clean clothes, I was holding a forty thousand rupees
> phone in one hand and a white stick in the other hand. I don't understand
> did he think I can't afford a Rs 50 ice cream? I am paying the equal amount
> of fees but upon my survey he never said anything like this to any of the
> sighted or non disabled students. Why was the ice cream ? For merely being
> blind?
>
> 2.  Di, one of my batchmates said, "how is the preparation for the exams
> going? Do one thing, come let me teach you, I'll get punya by teaching
> you." Why is it? Why can't people with blindness just exist? What is this
> attachment of punya if we help the blind we'll get punya? Are we humans or
> some divine entity. If you don't get punya by helping or teaching a sighted
> or a non disabled person then why punya from the blind?
>
> Please suggest how I can help my student, as clearly, she is in a lot of
> stress by these experiences.
>
> Regards.
>
> Cauvery She/her.
>
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> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of
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RE: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-07 Thread george.abraham0

The story of Sara shared by Shadab gives us a message and direction. We need to 
focus on ourselves. We cannot change people but their engagement with us can 
bring about change. Let us focus on ourselves. We can be agents of change.

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Cauvery Krishna
Sent: 07 May 2024 09:52
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done 
for the same?

 

These are some of the experiences had by one of my  students of which I don't 
have an answer. Could you please help me.

1. Di, I am a visually impaired  MBA student, pursuing MBA from an IIM. I was 
with a senior at the grocery store of our campus, i waited as the senior got 
ice cream for both of us. The shopkeeper said, "inko bolo kal aane k liye, kal 
meri taraf se mai inko kuch dunga. Ice cream ya juice kuch dunga meri taraf 
se." Which roughly translates to, "ask him to come tomorrow, I'll give him an 
ice cream or juice from my side." So the question is why would the shopkeeper 
have said the same? I am an MBA student, I was wearing clean clothes, I was 
holding a forty thousand rupees phone in one hand and a white stick in the 
other hand. I don't understand did he think I can't afford a Rs 50 ice cream? I 
am paying the equal amount of fees but upon my survey he never said anything 
like this to any of the sighted or non disabled students. Why was the ice cream 
? For merely being blind?

2.  Di, one of my batchmates said, "how is the preparation for the exams going? 
Do one thing, come let me teach you, I'll get punya by teaching you." Why is 
it? Why can't people with blindness just exist? What is this attachment of 
punya if we help the blind we'll get punya? Are we humans or some divine 
entity. If you don't get punya by helping or teaching a sighted or a non 
disabled person then why punya from the blind? 

Please suggest how I can help my student, as clearly, she is in a lot of stress 
by these experiences. 

Regards. 

Cauvery She/her.

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RE: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-07 Thread Shek Mohammad Ali

Please teach them to be rational rather being emotional on these parts.

I have gone with such uncountable experiences and maturity comforts you by ages.

Also I feel that we should not waste our timing to sensitise everybody on the 
earth.

Sometimes harsh responses will touch their heart.

Once I was having my drink and someone who was seated in front seat ask does he 
also take? Then I straight away replied Am I not a human.

Then he started conversing with me in a friendly manner.

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Prakash Kamat
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 11:22 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be 
done for the same?

 

Sad reality out of an age-old-perception is, our society is built on 
traditional thought to see disability ONLY charity-based. Therefore Young, 
educated,highly qualified people with disability with disability and people who 
work in this sector should NOT get demoralised or upset by these incidents. 
They only show us how still there is lack of awareness about Rights-based 
disability,around us. So this is challenge for us. So take out 2-3 minutes and 
without getting angry,annoyed explain to these people that persons with 
disability like "me",like "my student" dont need charity, pity. They are first 
persons like you and me Sir. Only difference is they have a disability like 
vision deficiency. With education and qualifications  they are equally,some 
times more competent and qualified. Technology and education have empowered 
them.As per the Constitution of India which governs all of us, Sir these PswD 
have equal rights to FULLY participate in the day-today development process in 
the society ON PAR WITH OTHERS...And as per law if they cant get this 
participation anywhere in public spaces due to barriers, it is OUR DUTY Sir to 
work/raise voice as an inclusive society to remove these barriers so that their 
participation is Full and on par with others. 

So Sir, this young man in front of you does not need free ice cream from you, 
he wants a hand of empathy from you.

So Sir, this young student in front of you does not need free tuition from you 
for you to achieve Punya, he and all other persons with disability want your 
hand of empathy सहसंवेदना...Spread this message around and change people's 
mindset towards disability...that will fetch Punya for you

 

On Tue, 7 May, 2024, 9:56 am Austin Pinto, mailto:austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

only 1 thing can be done.

if some1 says something, you can ask them like for example 

why will you get  punya by teaching me, you cant get  punya by teaching some 
sighted person?

and so on.

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:52 AM Cauvery Krishna mailto:cauverykrishna...@gmail.com> > wrote:

These are some of the experiences had by one of my  students of which I don't 
have an answer. Could you please help me.

1. Di, I am a visually impaired  MBA student, pursuing MBA from an IIM. I was 
with a senior at the grocery store of our campus, i waited as the senior got 
ice cream for both of us. The shopkeeper said, "inko bolo kal aane k liye, kal 
meri taraf se mai inko kuch dunga. Ice cream ya juice kuch dunga meri taraf 
se." Which roughly translates to, "ask him to come tomorrow, I'll give him an 
ice cream or juice from my side." So the question is why would the shopkeeper 
have said the same? I am an MBA student, I was wearing clean clothes, I was 
holding a forty thousand rupees phone in one hand and a white stick in the 
other hand. I don't understand did he think I can't afford a Rs 50 ice cream? I 
am paying the equal amount of fees but upon my survey he never said anything 
like this to any of the sighted or non disabled students. Why was the ice cream 
? For merely being blind?

2.  Di, one of my batchmates said, "how is the preparation for the exams going? 
Do one thing, come let me teach you, I'll get punya by teaching you." Why is 
it? Why can't people with blindness just exist? What is this attachment of 
punya if we help the blind we'll get punya? Are we humans or some divine 
entity. If you don't get punya by helping or teaching a sighted or a non 
disabled person then why punya from the blind? 

Please suggest how I can help my student, as clearly, she is in a lot of stress 
by these experiences. 

Regards. 

Cauvery She/her.

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Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-06 Thread Prakash Kamat

Such reactions from people in society only show us we have miles to go as
regards disability awareness, rights-based disability awareness, awareness
about inclusion and consequently mindset change in a society which is still
under the grip of traditional thought process of viewing Disability as
Charity-based and more importantly as emanating from "Paap
-Punya".
Miles to go before we sleep.

On Tue, 7 May, 2024, 11:22 am Prakash Kamat, 
wrote:

> Sad reality out of an age-old-perception is, our society is built on
> traditional thought to see disability ONLY charity-based. Therefore Young,
> educated,highly qualified people with disability with disability and people
> who work in this sector should NOT get demoralised or upset by these
> incidents. They only show us how still there is lack of awareness about
> Rights-based disability,around us. So this is challenge for us. So take out
> 2-3 minutes and without getting angry,annoyed explain to these people that
> persons with disability like "me",like "my student" dont need charity,
> pity. They are first persons like you and me Sir. Only difference is they
> have a disability like vision deficiency. With education and
> qualifications  they are equally,some times more competent and qualified.
> Technology and education have empowered them.As per the Constitution of
> India which governs all of us, Sir these PswD have equal rights to FULLY
> participate in the day-today development process in the society ON PAR WITH
> OTHERS...And as per law if they cant get this participation anywhere in
> public spaces due to barriers, it is OUR DUTY Sir to work/raise voice as an
> inclusive society to remove these barriers so that their participation is
> Full and on par with others.
> So Sir, this young man in front of you does not need free ice cream from
> you, he wants a hand of empathy from you.
> So Sir, this young student in front of you does not need free tuition from
> you for you to achieve Punya, he and all other persons with disability want
> your hand of empathy सहसंवेदना...Spread this message around and change
> people's mindset towards disability...that will fetch Punya for you
>
> On Tue, 7 May, 2024, 9:56 am Austin Pinto, 
> wrote:
>
>> only 1 thing can be done.
>> if some1 says something, you can ask them like for example
>> why will you get  punya by teaching me, you cant get  punya by teaching
>> some sighted person?
>> and so on.
>> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:52 AM Cauvery Krishna <
>> cauverykrishna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> These are some of the experiences had by one of my  students of which I
>>> don't have an answer. Could you please help me.
>>> 1. Di, I am a visually impaired  MBA student, pursuing MBA from an IIM.
>>> I was with a senior at the grocery store of our campus, i waited as the
>>> senior got ice cream for both of us. The shopkeeper said, "inko bolo kal
>>> aane k liye, kal meri taraf se mai inko kuch dunga. Ice cream ya juice kuch
>>> dunga meri taraf se." Which roughly translates to, "ask him to come
>>> tomorrow, I'll give him an ice cream or juice from my side." So the
>>> question is why would the shopkeeper have said the same? I am an MBA
>>> student, I was wearing clean clothes, I was holding a forty thousand rupees
>>> phone in one hand and a white stick in the other hand. I don't understand
>>> did he think I can't afford a Rs 50 ice cream? I am paying the equal amount
>>> of fees but upon my survey he never said anything like this to any of the
>>> sighted or non disabled students. Why was the ice cream ? For merely being
>>> blind?
>>> 2.  Di, one of my batchmates said, "how is the preparation for the exams
>>> going? Do one thing, come let me teach you, I'll get punya by teaching
>>> you." Why is it? Why can't people with blindness just exist? What is this
>>> attachment of punya if we help the blind we'll get punya? Are we humans or
>>> some divine entity. If you don't get punya by helping or teaching a sighted
>>> or a non disabled person then why punya from the blind?
>>> Please suggest how I can help my student, as clearly, she is in a lot of
>>> stress by these experiences.
>>> Regards.
>>> Cauvery She/her.
>>>
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>>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of
>>> the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity;
>>>
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>>> mails sent through this mailing list..
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Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-06 Thread Prakash Kamat

Sad reality out of an age-old-perception is, our society is built on
traditional thought to see disability ONLY charity-based. Therefore Young,
educated,highly qualified people with disability with disability and people
who work in this sector should NOT get demoralised or upset by these
incidents. They only show us how still there is lack of awareness about
Rights-based disability,around us. So this is challenge for us. So take out
2-3 minutes and without getting angry,annoyed explain to these people that
persons with disability like "me",like "my student" dont need charity,
pity. They are first persons like you and me Sir. Only difference is they
have a disability like vision deficiency. With education and
qualifications  they are equally,some times more competent and qualified.
Technology and education have empowered them.As per the Constitution of
India which governs all of us, Sir these PswD have equal rights to FULLY
participate in the day-today development process in the society ON PAR WITH
OTHERS...And as per law if they cant get this participation anywhere in
public spaces due to barriers, it is OUR DUTY Sir to work/raise voice as an
inclusive society to remove these barriers so that their participation is
Full and on par with others.
So Sir, this young man in front of you does not need free ice cream from
you, he wants a hand of empathy from you.
So Sir, this young student in front of you does not need free tuition from
you for you to achieve Punya, he and all other persons with disability want
your hand of empathy सहसंवेदना...Spread this message around and change
people's mindset towards disability...that will fetch Punya for you

On Tue, 7 May, 2024, 9:56 am Austin Pinto, 
wrote:

> only 1 thing can be done.
> if some1 says something, you can ask them like for example
> why will you get  punya by teaching me, you cant get  punya by teaching
> some sighted person?
> and so on.
> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:52 AM Cauvery Krishna <
> cauverykrishna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> These are some of the experiences had by one of my  students of which I
>> don't have an answer. Could you please help me.
>> 1. Di, I am a visually impaired  MBA student, pursuing MBA from an IIM. I
>> was with a senior at the grocery store of our campus, i waited as the
>> senior got ice cream for both of us. The shopkeeper said, "inko bolo kal
>> aane k liye, kal meri taraf se mai inko kuch dunga. Ice cream ya juice kuch
>> dunga meri taraf se." Which roughly translates to, "ask him to come
>> tomorrow, I'll give him an ice cream or juice from my side." So the
>> question is why would the shopkeeper have said the same? I am an MBA
>> student, I was wearing clean clothes, I was holding a forty thousand rupees
>> phone in one hand and a white stick in the other hand. I don't understand
>> did he think I can't afford a Rs 50 ice cream? I am paying the equal amount
>> of fees but upon my survey he never said anything like this to any of the
>> sighted or non disabled students. Why was the ice cream ? For merely being
>> blind?
>> 2.  Di, one of my batchmates said, "how is the preparation for the exams
>> going? Do one thing, come let me teach you, I'll get punya by teaching
>> you." Why is it? Why can't people with blindness just exist? What is this
>> attachment of punya if we help the blind we'll get punya? Are we humans or
>> some divine entity. If you don't get punya by helping or teaching a sighted
>> or a non disabled person then why punya from the blind?
>> Please suggest how I can help my student, as clearly, she is in a lot of
>> stress by these experiences.
>> Regards.
>> Cauvery She/her.
>>
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Re: [AI] Why do people say these things to the blind? And what can be done for the same?

2024-05-06 Thread Austin Pinto

only 1 thing can be done.
if some1 says something, you can ask them like for example
why will you get  punya by teaching me, you cant get  punya by teaching
some sighted person?
and so on.
On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:52 AM Cauvery Krishna 
wrote:

> These are some of the experiences had by one of my  students of which I
> don't have an answer. Could you please help me.
> 1. Di, I am a visually impaired  MBA student, pursuing MBA from an IIM. I
> was with a senior at the grocery store of our campus, i waited as the
> senior got ice cream for both of us. The shopkeeper said, "inko bolo kal
> aane k liye, kal meri taraf se mai inko kuch dunga. Ice cream ya juice kuch
> dunga meri taraf se." Which roughly translates to, "ask him to come
> tomorrow, I'll give him an ice cream or juice from my side." So the
> question is why would the shopkeeper have said the same? I am an MBA
> student, I was wearing clean clothes, I was holding a forty thousand rupees
> phone in one hand and a white stick in the other hand. I don't understand
> did he think I can't afford a Rs 50 ice cream? I am paying the equal amount
> of fees but upon my survey he never said anything like this to any of the
> sighted or non disabled students. Why was the ice cream ? For merely being
> blind?
> 2.  Di, one of my batchmates said, "how is the preparation for the exams
> going? Do one thing, come let me teach you, I'll get punya by teaching
> you." Why is it? Why can't people with blindness just exist? What is this
> attachment of punya if we help the blind we'll get punya? Are we humans or
> some divine entity. If you don't get punya by helping or teaching a sighted
> or a non disabled person then why punya from the blind?
> Please suggest how I can help my student, as clearly, she is in a lot of
> stress by these experiences.
> Regards.
> Cauvery She/her.
>
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