Re: [AI] Re (Mohit Ajay) Using Driver as an escort, few concerns in socialization.
Hi Mohit and all, I have had situations where the driver has had to leave in the middle of the work day. You will need mobility skills as well as a knowledge of local geography to direct cab drivers, friends or to handle public transport. Mobility is not restricted only to carrying travel aides. Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Re (Mohit Ajay) Using Driver as an escort, few concerns in socialization.
that is the best advice so far on this topic. Regards On 6/17/12, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mohit and all, I have had situations where the driver has had to leave in the middle of the work day. You will need mobility skills as well as a knowledge of local geography to direct cab drivers, friends or to handle public transport. Mobility is not restricted only to carrying travel aides. Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajaymanu...@gmail.com Skype : ajayminocha2 Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Re (Mohit Ajay) Using Driver as an escort, few concerns in socialization.
Mohit, One way to shortcircuit this process, is to become the provider of transport. Everyone likes a free ride. chuckle Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Re (Mohit Ajay) Using Driver as an escort, few concerns in socialization.
to enjoying college life and public events it's necessary to devlop friendship level. our new friends are not that much aware for visual disability, so it's require little time for them to adjust with us. and every where escort, really burdern for us. mobility doesn't mean only to holding white cane and walk with it on the road. Mobility includes to get help from other, to ask for help from other, to adjust with any escort, to get touch at our work place or new place without escort, etc. really now after losing total vision and getting diffrent experiences, I am able to devlope above points in mine. With extra tips and tricks, now i can travel alone by auto in my city. Even I did successful night journey by train in AC coch also. Yes, it's true, still I am unable to walk alone on road and catch auto or to walk on railway station. I know it's require time. whenever i come back to my city, my papa picks up from station. it doesn't mean, he himself enters in train and helps me. I should be prepare to leave train and stand on safe place at platform. only communication to others is necessary in such task. White cane is my magic stic and strong weppen during such journey. and in mohit's case, i think lake of proper communication with his friends. nothing else! and you have to devlop abilities which i mention above. after all, very good suggestions in prier mails. On 6/17/12, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote: Mohit, One way to shortcircuit this process, is to become the provider of transport. Everyone likes a free ride. chuckle Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Re (Mohit Ajay) Using Driver as an escort, few concerns in socialization.
Hello mohit, In reply to your mail, I would like to say that even myself faced the same situation when I had decided to join the inclusive school after realizing the fact that I have learnt the basic skills of independent daly living by spending nearly eight years in the school for the blind.because I felt that I am now mature enough to live in the environment of my sighted friends and wanted to enjoy all the things witch normal student does in the school and college like roming around with the friends outside on various occasions such as, going to movies, party etc. of course, these were happening when I was in the special school but not with the friends who were so called abled (sighted) persons. Also for the reason I was feeling to have such enjoyment that while in special school whenever such events use to take place we weretaken out in a very restricted and overprotected manner and since I was entering in to teenage world I needed to have my own freedom to enjoy in a way I think. Hence, I have left the special school after passing my eighth standard. I thought that now world is now a real challenge to me as I am now free bird to fly in the sky of freedom and attain all the colors of fun as I had already commanded over the independent skills of mobility etc while I was in special school. But unfortunately, the situation was not so easy as I had painted in my mind. After joining the inclusive school, I had to travel everday from my home to school and vice versa. I thought that now I can make use of my mobility to go independently but this everything gone in vain when my parents appointed a full time staff to take care of my traveling to go to school and back. Situation was more verse when my parents informed me that you need not go alone out of the house never as we already had hired the person for you as and when you need. I was very disturbed for many months and one day, I had realized that rather becoming upset and convincing my friends to join me why not to convince my person to understand my feelings of freedom and I have slowly and practically convinced him that you do not hold my hand all throughout and watch me from the close distance I would like to hold the cane in my hand and walk independently. So wherever I feel any difficulty you kindly come to my rescue. Initially, he was scared and then after seeing my confidence of walking alone with my cane slowly he started cooperating me witch really boosted my confidence. In your case I presume that you may not have learnt the mobility skills hence, first step can be to approach any NGO’S near to your vicinity working in the field of visually challenged persons and request for the instructor who can come to you for teaching mobility. If you do not have any such NGOS near to your locality, then try and consider to spend at list four months of training of rehabilitation conducted by the organization like nab witch provides you the training along with boarding and lodging facility. Living in such a environment for the considerable time you can learn the ways of living, speaking, reacting to different situations of blind persons with sighted colleagues, eating ettiqutes, dressing manners, socializing with the society, some sorts and recreation activities Braille learning, vocational skills etc. If you can not even opt this method, then try and search for any visually challenged person near to your locality who is well independent in mobility and has spent considerable time with the sighted person and try to arrange few outings with him and tell him to teach you how to interact with the sighted person outside while in shop, offices, etc.try and take him to your college especially in the social gatherings of your college and let him teach you the ways of communication with your friends. I am sure that implementing any of these methods can yield good results for you. But if you ask me to choose amongst any of these, I would suggest you to first consider the first two i.e. attending the rehabilitation course or arranging the mobility instructor. And my friend, you have to take the initiative by yourself to catch the attention of your friends. Do not expect anything from them such as not to take you immediately to your car, to talk to you or to go out with them. just be pushy to to react with their conversation, try to offer your help to them in any practical manner such as, intelligence. Take initiative to plan the outings and invite them rather expecting to go out with them. Try to be more reactive with your pleasant responses rather presenting yourself as doubtful or hesitant personality when you are communicating with them. Don’t get afraid if you find ockward on various situations when you go out with them just behave normally as you do and take the things easy because man is the learner all throughout his life and one can not be expected to learn everything instantly. If you feel ockwird on any situation like eating particular food try and
Re: [AI] Re (Mohit Ajay) Using Driver as an escort, few concerns in socialization.
Hi Mohit, it is not completely true that a vvisually impaired person specially me always remain alone in traveling. Practically we have to aproach sighted fellows for any unknown place, crossing the road etc. But mobility means that how you communicate with other people, How you ask them for help. tomarro I am going far away from my place by bus alone for the very first time. It took so long to convince my parents for that but now they are ready and happily packed my bags. I am dam thrilled about my first experience because I will be going to a small city so awairness will not be that much about visually impaired people. regards On 6/17/12, mukesh jain mukesh.jai...@gmail.com wrote: Hello mohit, In reply to your mail, I would like to say that even myself faced the same situation when I had decided to join the inclusive school after realizing the fact that I have learnt the basic skills of independent daly living by spending nearly eight years in the school for the blind.because I felt that I am now mature enough to live in the environment of my sighted friends and wanted to enjoy all the things witch normal student does in the school and college like roming around with the friends outside on various occasions such as, going to movies, party etc. of course, these were happening when I was in the special school but not with the friends who were so called abled (sighted) persons. Also for the reason I was feeling to have such enjoyment that while in special school whenever such events use to take place we weretaken out in a very restricted and overprotected manner and since I was entering in to teenage world I needed to have my own freedom to enjoy in a way I think. Hence, I have left the special school after passing my eighth standard. I thought that now world is now a real challenge to me as I am now free bird to fly in the sky of freedom and attain all the colors of fun as I had already commanded over the independent skills of mobility etc while I was in special school. But unfortunately, the situation was not so easy as I had painted in my mind. After joining the inclusive school, I had to travel everday from my home to school and vice versa. I thought that now I can make use of my mobility to go independently but this everything gone in vain when my parents appointed a full time staff to take care of my traveling to go to school and back. Situation was more verse when my parents informed me that you need not go alone out of the house never as we already had hired the person for you as and when you need. I was very disturbed for many months and one day, I had realized that rather becoming upset and convincing my friends to join me why not to convince my person to understand my feelings of freedom and I have slowly and practically convinced him that you do not hold my hand all throughout and watch me from the close distance I would like to hold the cane in my hand and walk independently. So wherever I feel any difficulty you kindly come to my rescue. Initially, he was scared and then after seeing my confidence of walking alone with my cane slowly he started cooperating me witch really boosted my confidence. In your case I presume that you may not have learnt the mobility skills hence, first step can be to approach any NGO’S near to your vicinity working in the field of visually challenged persons and request for the instructor who can come to you for teaching mobility. If you do not have any such NGOS near to your locality, then try and consider to spend at list four months of training of rehabilitation conducted by the organization like nab witch provides you the training along with boarding and lodging facility. Living in such a environment for the considerable time you can learn the ways of living, speaking, reacting to different situations of blind persons with sighted colleagues, eating ettiqutes, dressing manners, socializing with the society, some sorts and recreation activities Braille learning, vocational skills etc. If you can not even opt this method, then try and search for any visually challenged person near to your locality who is well independent in mobility and has spent considerable time with the sighted person and try to arrange few outings with him and tell him to teach you how to interact with the sighted person outside while in shop, offices, etc.try and take him to your college especially in the social gatherings of your college and let him teach you the ways of communication with your friends. I am sure that implementing any of these methods can yield good results for you. But if you ask me to choose amongst any of these, I would suggest you to first consider the first two i.e. attending the rehabilitation course or arranging the mobility instructor. And my friend, you have to take the initiative by yourself to catch the attention of your friends. Do not expect anything from them such as not to take you
Re: [AI] Re (Mohit Ajay) Using Driver as an escort, few concerns in socialization.
Continuing my reply after having read the recent digest in which Ajay and Kanchan mam has responded: Mohit, what Ajay is saying is not thoughtless argument. You should certainly know mobility skills, at least that prepares you for emmergency situations. Whether or not and to which extent you want to use those skills, is purely your choice, and I enforce no opinion on that. Answering your question how that can solve problems, then remember once you are mobile, you will need no escort, and can move freely. And from what I understand, its just that hesitation and comfort level of your friends which needs to be achieved. Even I am learning mobility, and lets see till what extent I use it in my future. Keeping driver or an assistant, is purely one's own choice. Are we so dull that for moving from one chair to another we need driver or an escort? (before reacting, let me tell you that I have seen those people as well, and I am sure you or I am not one of them). You certainly need not keep your driver at all times with you. Because there can be no doubt that friends or any particular group would not want a third person to be with them just because you need assistance. Whenever you need to move to a unknown place or have to go for loo etc, call up your escort or feel free to ask your friends. There is absolutely no problem in that. Come back with your replies in a constructive manner. On 6/17/12, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ajay And Mohit, I would prefer taking a different stand all together. Having your own driver or assistant is in no way hurdle to what we want to achieve. Let me accept with full boldness that I don't know mobility, and usage of cane. And so far my dad has escorted me wherever I need to move. And my future plans also include keeping a driver or an assistant. However at the same time, I have had no problems in staying back with my friends and going for movie lunch etc. What I advise to Mohit is that firstly try and establish that relation with your friends. I guess that friendlyness is missing. Talk with your friends apart from your studies, initiate plans for movies or outing, remember birthdays and ensure that when your other group is planning for any of your friend's birthday, you become the part of it, and last but not least, if you know that some plan is going on for some outing, (this you can figure out by asking questions), then tell them that why not lets all go together? Basically talk and take initiative. My observation may be wrong, but is it that your friends still have that hesitation or extra curtesy towards visually impaired in mind while talking to you? A lot depends on your nature, your own way of communicating things, etc. And as far as driver or other escort coordination is concerned, then you need not keep full day driver with you on job, or even if you have one, you can safely say that there is some change in my program, and I would like to leave late than what was planned earlier. Prepare your family for that. Before concluding, believe me, no question is stupid. If other person takes it as a stupid question, then may be he is not matured enough to understand your question, but nothing is stupid. What you are asking is valid concern, and everyone has to learn the skills to tackel it. Please can you use appropriate subject lines rather than a question or something of that sort? You write so dam well then why not lets draw attenssion of everyone by using better subject lines? Don't take anything negatively, as I am just trying to understand the areas of concern then may be we can accordingly take it forward. Regards -- Amar Jain. Website: www.amarjain.com -- Amar Jain. Website: www.amarjain.com Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Re (Mohit Ajay) Using Driver as an escort, few concerns in socialization.
I totally agree with you Amar. First move your hand forward then expect others to move there hand forward. I know many of them those who are using driver as escort. On 6/17/12, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ajay And Mohit, I would prefer taking a different stand all together. Having your own driver or assistant is in no way hurdle to what we want to achieve. Let me accept with full boldness that I don't know mobility, and usage of cane. And so far my dad has escorted me wherever I need to move. And my future plans also include keeping a driver or an assistant. However at the same time, I have had no problems in staying back with my friends and going for movie lunch etc. What I advise to Mohit is that firstly try and establish that relation with your friends. I guess that friendlyness is missing. Talk with your friends apart from your studies, initiate plans for movies or outing, remember birthdays and ensure that when your other group is planning for any of your friend's birthday, you become the part of it, and last but not least, if you know that some plan is going on for some outing, (this you can figure out by asking questions), then tell them that why not lets all go together? Basically talk and take initiative. My observation may be wrong, but is it that your friends still have that hesitation or extra curtesy towards visually impaired in mind while talking to you? A lot depends on your nature, your own way of communicating things, etc. And as far as driver or other escort coordination is concerned, then you need not keep full day driver with you on job, or even if you have one, you can safely say that there is some change in my program, and I would like to leave late than what was planned earlier. Prepare your family for that. Before concluding, believe me, no question is stupid. If other person takes it as a stupid question, then may be he is not matured enough to understand your question, but nothing is stupid. What you are asking is valid concern, and everyone has to learn the skills to tackel it. Please can you use appropriate subject lines rather than a question or something of that sort? You write so dam well then why not lets draw attenssion of everyone by using better subject lines? Don't take anything negatively, as I am just trying to understand the areas of concern then may be we can accordingly take it forward. Regards -- Amar Jain. Website: www.amarjain.com Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Kiran Baug Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
