Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind?
I agree. Scientific attitude calls for unbiased investigations of the claims. So, first we have to establish whether the subjects do sense and perceive visual information through other modes by undergoing such training. A friend of my daughter also did that, now her ability is also on the decline as she has given up practicing. So, if sighted can do, so can the blind, or so should the blind too. So, if some one is trying out for blind, let it be done, instead of mocking the efforts. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: 04 December 2018 10:46 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? Hi They have provided the video as evidence. My coleague's daughter who is sighted mentioned that his daughter participated in the mid brain activation programme and she could read things blind folded. Later she stopped practicing and soon the ability faded with it. This is the closest evidence I have first hand. Long back almost 15 years back, some of us had an opportunity to witness a similar feat from a team from Indonesia. This took place at ICEVI conference at Ahmedabad. Now when I look it, it seems to be a case of mid brain activation. There are of course many video online making claims. I think, it is important to scientifically catalogue it, follow proper protocol in the investigation process, identify a optimum number of good candidates and follow it up for a few years. There are many such main stream programmes in cities like Mumbai but the whole process is not adequately documented. Although, they provide videos of the feats. Even if one makes a conclusive pronouncement that the whole process is a hoax, it should be done after proper investigation. One can seek only when one approaches like a seeker. If you have already made a judgement then what can one hope to find? Similarly, Evidence of telepathy cannot be proved physiologically, however statistically the evidence towards success rate proves positively. Having said that, one should approach it with zero expectations, this wil save the moment if it does not work out. Harish. -Original Mess age- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rohith P Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 7:50 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? Dear Harish, But do you know any child who can read blindfolded using this technique? And if someone can read blindfolded, a blind person should also be able to read because visual signals have no role. I think the responsibility of prooving such claims should be on the proponents of such claims. As you said, let them produce people benefited by the technique and then the medical science can study them. But I don't think we would find any beneficiaries. There is no good relying on false hopes. On 12/3/18, Kotian, H P wrote: > Dear Doc > > Fully agree with you regarding scientifically testing, replicating it etc. > > What if, there is a pool of kids who can scientifically demonstrate > that they can read blind folded etc. Is it not scientific then to test > the result and thereafter figure out the mechanisms involved. > > Why is it that no effort is done in that direction and merely rubbish > the claim? > > Would you as a doctor do the honors then? > > I for one would hold my tongue until proven this is all a hoax and > give the benefit of doubt. Let us not be caught in the nomenclature of > mid brain activation etc. Let us first establish the fact that the > kids trained in this technique can read blindfold and there is no cheating > here. > > I don't think this should be difficult to establish. Preferably please > videograph? > Would you pl revert on this please? > > Would be eagerly awaiting to hear about the findings. > > Harish. > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Sharad Philip > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 10:38 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? > > Dear sir > I have been following this thread for the past few days . Being a > medical doctor by training , i feel i should weigh in here and clarify > some things you are saying here . > > Firstly , mainstream medical scientists as you call them are not a > vile community that is looking out for personal commercial interests . > Those in research and in clinical practice rarely overlap .anyhow , no > one whether as a person or a community is specifically interested in > benefiting f
Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind?
Hi They have provided the video as evidence. My coleague's daughter who is sighted mentioned that his daughter participated in the mid brain activation programme and she could read things blind folded. Later she stopped practicing and soon the ability faded with it. This is the closest evidence I have first hand. Long back almost 15 years back, some of us had an opportunity to witness a similar feat from a team from Indonesia. This took place at ICEVI conference at Ahmedabad. Now when I look it, it seems to be a case of mid brain activation. There are of course many video online making claims. I think, it is important to scientifically catalogue it, follow proper protocol in the investigation process, identify a optimum number of good candidates and follow it up for a few years. There are many such main stream programmes in cities like Mumbai but the whole process is not adequately documented. Although, they provide videos of the feats. Even if one makes a conclusive pronouncement that the whole process is a hoax, it should be done after proper investigation. One can seek only when one approaches like a seeker. If you have already made a judgement then what can one hope to find? Similarly, Evidence of telepathy cannot be proved physiologically, however statistically the evidence towards success rate proves positively. Having said that, one should approach it with zero expectations, this wil save the moment if it does not work out. Harish. -Original Mess age- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rohith P Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 7:50 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? Dear Harish, But do you know any child who can read blindfolded using this technique? And if someone can read blindfolded, a blind person should also be able to read because visual signals have no role. I think the responsibility of prooving such claims should be on the proponents of such claims. As you said, let them produce people benefited by the technique and then the medical science can study them. But I don't think we would find any beneficiaries. There is no good relying on false hopes. On 12/3/18, Kotian, H P wrote: > Dear Doc > > Fully agree with you regarding scientifically testing, replicating it etc. > > What if, there is a pool of kids who can scientifically demonstrate > that they can read blind folded etc. Is it not scientific then to test > the result and thereafter figure out the mechanisms involved. > > Why is it that no effort is done in that direction and merely rubbish > the claim? > > Would you as a doctor do the honors then? > > I for one would hold my tongue until proven this is all a hoax and > give the benefit of doubt. Let us not be caught in the nomenclature of > mid brain activation etc. Let us first establish the fact that the > kids trained in this technique can read blindfold and there is no cheating > here. > > I don't think this should be difficult to establish. Preferably please > videograph? > Would you pl revert on this please? > > Would be eagerly awaiting to hear about the findings. > > Harish. > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Sharad Philip > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 10:38 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? > > Dear sir > I have been following this thread for the past few days . Being a > medical doctor by training , i feel i should weigh in here and clarify > some things you are saying here . > > Firstly , mainstream medical scientists as you call them are not a > vile community that is looking out for personal commercial interests . > Those in research and in clinical practice rarely overlap .anyhow , no > one whether as a person or a community is specifically interested in > benefiting from another human being s suffering or disability . As and > when avenues of treatment / paliation have come up they have been > brought into clinical practice after rigorous examinations by the > scientific method . The sole aim for such an exercise is to ensure > replicability of results . It a little bit more complicated than > saying a pre and post comparison . There needs to be an understanding > of why anything works , for whom it works , for those it did not work > for why did not , what are the best parameters and qualifying > situations , whether there are any ill effects for those healthy , any > ill effects for those in need of the intervention , is there a way to > predict who would benefit and who would not , and many other things
Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind?
Dear Harish, But do you know any child who can read blindfolded using this technique? And if someone can read blindfolded, a blind person should also be able to read because visual signals have no role. I think the responsibility of prooving such claims should be on the proponents of such claims. As you said, let them produce people benefited by the technique and then the medical science can study them. But I don't think we would find any beneficiaries. There is no good relying on false hopes. On 12/3/18, Kotian, H P wrote: > Dear Doc > > Fully agree with you regarding scientifically testing, replicating it etc. > > What if, there is a pool of kids who can scientifically demonstrate that > they can read blind folded etc. Is it not scientific then to test the result > and thereafter figure out the mechanisms involved. > > Why is it that no effort is done in that direction and merely rubbish the > claim? > > Would you as a doctor do the honors then? > > I for one would hold my tongue until proven this is all a hoax and give the > benefit of doubt. Let us not be caught in the nomenclature of mid brain > activation etc. Let us first establish the fact that the kids trained in > this technique can read blindfold and there is no cheating here. > > I don't think this should be difficult to establish. Preferably please > videograph? > Would you pl revert on this please? > > Would be eagerly awaiting to hear about the findings. > > Harish. > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Sharad Philip > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 10:38 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? > > Dear sir > I have been following this thread for the past few days . Being a medical > doctor by training , i feel i should weigh in here and clarify some things > you are saying here . > > Firstly , mainstream medical scientists as you call them are not a vile > community that is looking out for personal commercial interests . Those in > research and in clinical practice rarely overlap .anyhow , no one whether as > a person or a community is specifically interested in benefiting from > another human being s suffering or disability . As and when avenues of > treatment / paliation have come up they have been brought into clinical > practice after rigorous examinations by the scientific method . The sole aim > for such an exercise is to ensure replicability of results . It a little bit > more complicated than saying a pre and post comparison . There needs to be > an understanding of why anything works , for whom it works , for those it > did not work for why did not , what are the best parameters and qualifying > situations , whether there are any ill effects for those healthy , any ill > effects for those in need of the intervention , is there a way to predict > who would benefit and who would not , and many other things . This is > possible when the intervention is rooted in some physiological , > pharmacological , biochemical basis . > > In the context of what is being discussed here , there is no physiological > or any other scientific basis . The Midbrain is actually a part of the brain > that controls a lot of vital functions such as respiration , body > temperature etc amongst others . Some nerve fibers from the processing > centres for vision do pass through this area . These also control some basic > pursuit movements of the eye . Apart from this there also other cranial > nerves that mediate taste , touch , and the movements of face and neck > muscles . However in the MIDBRAIN activation programs that are being > discussed here , the midbrain referred to i s something in between the right > and the left !! > > The only thing between the right and left hemispheres of the Brain is the > connection system called the corpus callosum . There is no separate right > and left Brain as is commonly referred to in these writings ! All right > handed individuals are left dominant - a terminology used to refer to the > fact that these people have their speech areas in the left hemispheres . > Those left handed are more than 90% left dominant while a few are right > dominant . This just implies that certain functions are subserved by certain > areas . . Being right brained and left brained is something not based in > neuroscience . Then where would the midbrain be is what should be asked ! > > If the intervention works to reduce the impairment , i am happy as any of > you would be but i would still want to know how it does . Unlike common > belief , ill effects also plague any intervention - whether psychological , > or
Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind?
Dear Doc Fully agree with you regarding scientifically testing, replicating it etc. What if, there is a pool of kids who can scientifically demonstrate that they can read blind folded etc. Is it not scientific then to test the result and thereafter figure out the mechanisms involved. Why is it that no effort is done in that direction and merely rubbish the claim? Would you as a doctor do the honors then? I for one would hold my tongue until proven this is all a hoax and give the benefit of doubt. Let us not be caught in the nomenclature of mid brain activation etc. Let us first establish the fact that the kids trained in this technique can read blindfold and there is no cheating here. I don't think this should be difficult to establish. Preferably please videograph? Would you pl revert on this please? Would be eagerly awaiting to hear about the findings. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sharad Philip Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 10:38 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? Dear sir I have been following this thread for the past few days . Being a medical doctor by training , i feel i should weigh in here and clarify some things you are saying here . Firstly , mainstream medical scientists as you call them are not a vile community that is looking out for personal commercial interests . Those in research and in clinical practice rarely overlap .anyhow , no one whether as a person or a community is specifically interested in benefiting from another human being s suffering or disability . As and when avenues of treatment / paliation have come up they have been brought into clinical practice after rigorous examinations by the scientific method . The sole aim for such an exercise is to ensure replicability of results . It a little bit more complicated than saying a pre and post comparison . There needs to be an understanding of why anything works , for whom it works , for those it did not work for why did not , what are the best parameters and qualifying situations , whether there are any ill effects for those healthy , any ill effects for those in need of the intervention , is there a way to predict who would benefit and who would not , and many other things . This is possible when the intervention is rooted in some physiological , pharmacological , biochemical basis . In the context of what is being discussed here , there is no physiological or any other scientific basis . The Midbrain is actually a part of the brain that controls a lot of vital functions such as respiration , body temperature etc amongst others . Some nerve fibers from the processing centres for vision do pass through this area . These also control some basic pursuit movements of the eye . Apart from this there also other cranial nerves that mediate taste , touch , and the movements of face and neck muscles . However in the MIDBRAIN activation programs that are being discussed here , the midbrain referred to i s something in between the right and the left !! The only thing between the right and left hemispheres of the Brain is the connection system called the corpus callosum . There is no separate right and left Brain as is commonly referred to in these writings ! All right handed individuals are left dominant - a terminology used to refer to the fact that these people have their speech areas in the left hemispheres . Those left handed are more than 90% left dominant while a few are right dominant . This just implies that certain functions are subserved by certain areas . . Being right brained and left brained is something not based in neuroscience . Then where would the midbrain be is what should be asked ! If the intervention works to reduce the impairment , i am happy as any of you would be but i would still want to know how it does . Unlike common belief , ill effects also plague any intervention - whether psychological , or any activation whatsoever . It is just that they are not recognised or identified . It would only be possible to identify such things in controlled studies . But alas , there is little scope for that to happen . An y such intervention when conducted by persons with specific training weds to weed out subjectiity minimise chance results and identify placebo effects . Such a controlled situation is rarely the case . Anyhow this is all i wanted to say and i hope it helped . With best regards Sharad > On 30-Nov-2018, at 4:20 PM, P. Subramani wrote: > > obviously mainstream medical scientists will never ever verify and certify > the potents of alternate medicines/treatments as the medical scientists will > loss their business. > - Original Message - From: "Ved" > To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility
Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind?
Hi all, Sensory substitution is encoding one sense in the form of another. Think cochlea implants which convert vibrations to speech or the vOICe which converts vision to sound. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_substitution Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind?
Dear sir I have been following this thread for the past few days . Being a medical doctor by training , i feel i should weigh in here and clarify some things you are saying here . Firstly , mainstream medical scientists as you call them are not a vile community that is looking out for personal commercial interests . Those in research and in clinical practice rarely overlap .anyhow , no one whether as a person or a community is specifically interested in benefiting from another human being s suffering or disability . As and when avenues of treatment / paliation have come up they have been brought into clinical practice after rigorous examinations by the scientific method . The sole aim for such an exercise is to ensure replicability of results . It a little bit more complicated than saying a pre and post comparison . There needs to be an understanding of why anything works , for whom it works , for those it did not work for why did not , what are the best parameters and qualifying situations , whether there are any ill effects for those healthy , any ill effects for those in need of the intervention , is there a way to predict who would benefit and who would not , and many other things . This is possible when the intervention is rooted in some physiological , pharmacological , biochemical basis . In the context of what is being discussed here , there is no physiological or any other scientific basis . The Midbrain is actually a part of the brain that controls a lot of vital functions such as respiration , body temperature etc amongst others . Some nerve fibers from the processing centres for vision do pass through this area . These also control some basic pursuit movements of the eye . Apart from this there also other cranial nerves that mediate taste , touch , and the movements of face and neck muscles . However in the MIDBRAIN activation programs that are being discussed here , the midbrain referred to i s something in between the right and the left !! The only thing between the right and left hemispheres of the Brain is the connection system called the corpus callosum . There is no separate right and left Brain as is commonly referred to in these writings ! All right handed individuals are left dominant - a terminology used to refer to the fact that these people have their speech areas in the left hemispheres . Those left handed are more than 90% left dominant while a few are right dominant . This just implies that certain functions are subserved by certain areas . . Being right brained and left brained is something not based in neuroscience . Then where would the midbrain be is what should be asked ! If the intervention works to reduce the impairment , i am happy as any of you would be but i would still want to know how it does . Unlike common belief , ill effects also plague any intervention - whether psychological , or any activation whatsoever . It is just that they are not recognised or identified . It would only be possible to identify such things in controlled studies . But alas , there is little scope for that to happen . An y such intervention when conducted by persons with specific training weds to weed out subjectiity minimise chance results and identify placebo effects . Such a controlled situation is rarely the case . Anyhow this is all i wanted to say and i hope it helped . With best regards Sharad > On 30-Nov-2018, at 4:20 PM, P. Subramani wrote: > > obviously mainstream medical scientists will never ever verify and certify > the potents of alternate medicines/treatments as the medical scientists will > loss their business. > - Original Message - From: "Ved" > To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled.'" > Sent: 30 November, 2018 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? > > >> Riaiki is not considered scientific. It is just a matter of faith. >> Healing by touch is practised by many riaiki Masters. However, it is not >> verified by any medical scientists or doctors. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf >> Of Sathiyaprakash Ramdoss >> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 12:55 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? >> >> Friends, >> >> You may want to read this following overview about Reiki and midbrain >> activation from this following link: >> >> http://reikimasterpuran.blogspot.com/p/mid-brain-activation-course.html >> >> >> Thank You. >> >> Sathiya >> >> >>> On 11/29/18, Anshul Kapoor (अंशुल कपूर) wrote: >>> I enquired about this t
Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind?
obviously mainstream medical scientists will never ever verify and certify the potents of alternate medicines/treatments as the medical scientists will loss their business. - Original Message - From: "Ved" To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.'" Sent: 30 November, 2018 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? Riaiki is not considered scientific. It is just a matter of faith. Healing by touch is practised by many riaiki Masters. However, it is not verified by any medical scientists or doctors. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sathiyaprakash Ramdoss Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 12:55 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? Friends, You may want to read this following overview about Reiki and midbrain activation from this following link: http://reikimasterpuran.blogspot.com/p/mid-brain-activation-course.html Thank You. Sathiya On 11/29/18, Anshul Kapoor (अंशुल कपूर) wrote: I enquired about this technique about 4-5 years back from a person teaching the same in Gujarat. He was making sighted children read books with their eyes closed. On enquiring he told me that it is not possible for adults as people who develop logic cannot get benefit from this technique. I mailed the same on access India at that time also. Only children who haven't developed logical thinking can successfully practice this technique. The person from Gujarat told me that it is my business and I will benefit from it but adults cannot do this at all. My father told me about this on viewing a TV channel and I searched for his contact no. from the net. With regards Anshul Kapoor Cell- 9958890358 "In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing." Theodore Roosevelt -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kriya Jain Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:25 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? Why not someone just tries it? anyways it's free. Having some mind exercises and reiki won't harm anyone if not any good, right? Regards, Kanchan On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:28 AM Asudani, Rajesh wrote: Yes, it is, and so I have changed it. As I have said earlier, it appears that information is conveyed via touch and other senses, information which appears primarily to be visual. I have heard of it in children below 15, and they were not willing to try it for me, i.e. totally blind person a little upwards of forty. Now, if somebody has tried for blind children and is willing to try it out in blind adults, let us not scoff at the attempts. Yes, exaggerated claims like blind can see and associating prominent scientists unnecessarily should be avoided. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of George Abraham Sent: 30 November 2018 08:50 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! Is there a problem with the subject line. Is it a little misleading? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of shobhan singh Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 12:46 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! Dear list members, First of all, I would like to make clear that I am dr. Shobhan Singh working as an Assistant Professor at Zakir Husain Delhi College in university of Delhi and I am also a visually impaired. I have not mentioned or claimed in any of my mail that I have specialization in Science of Mind or therapy which would be use to cure blindness during this 7 days’ camp. I am just an organizer and participant of the camp. Mr. Jitendra an IIT passed out and has worked as software Engeneer in Japan for 10 years belongs to Haryana State, is specialised in Science of Mind from Japan. Jitendra resigned from his job and after returning from Japan to India, he began his social service based on his own observations and inferences from Science of Mind and decided to cure blindness. As far as technique of the treatment is concern, it involves 4 steps: 1. Breathing excercises, 2. Pranic heeling, 3. Reki therapy and 4. Few certain brain exercises. Persons with visual impairment of any type and age group can be cured with these techniques however, it effectively and quickly works on below 40 years old people. But it does not mean or claim that these techniques would change one’s physical and medical conditions, it wo
Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind?
Riaiki is not considered scientific. It is just a matter of faith. Healing by touch is practised by many riaiki Masters. However, it is not verified by any medical scientists or doctors. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sathiyaprakash Ramdoss Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 12:55 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? Friends, You may want to read this following overview about Reiki and midbrain activation from this following link: http://reikimasterpuran.blogspot.com/p/mid-brain-activation-course.html Thank You. Sathiya On 11/29/18, Anshul Kapoor (अंशुल कपूर) wrote: > I enquired about this technique about 4-5 years back from a person > teaching the same in Gujarat. He was making sighted children read > books with their eyes closed. On enquiring he told me that it is not > possible for adults as people who develop logic cannot get benefit > from this technique. I mailed the same on access India at that time > also. Only children who haven't developed logical thinking can > successfully practice this technique. The person from Gujarat told me > that it is my business and I will benefit from it but adults cannot > do this at all. My father told me about this on viewing a TV channel and I > searched for his contact no. from the net. > > With regards > > Anshul Kapoor > Cell- 9958890358 > > "In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right > thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you > can do is nothing." > Theodore Roosevelt > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Kriya Jain > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:25 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? > > Why not someone just tries it? anyways it's free. Having some mind > exercises and reiki won't harm anyone if not any good, right? > > Regards, > Kanchan > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:28 AM Asudani, Rajesh > > wrote: > >> Yes, it is, and so I have changed it. >> >> As I have said earlier, it appears that information is conveyed via >> touch and other senses, information which appears primarily to be visual. >> >> I have heard of it in children below 15, and they were not willing to >> try it for me, i.e. totally blind person a little upwards of forty. >> >> Now, if somebody has tried for blind children and is willing to try >> it out in blind adults, let us not scoff at the attempts. >> Yes, exaggerated claims like blind can see and associating prominent >> scientists unnecessarily should be avoided. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of George Abraham >> Sent: 30 November 2018 08:50 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! >> >> Is there a problem with the subject line. Is it a little misleading? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of shobhan singh >> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 12:46 AM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! >> >> Dear list members, >> First of all, I would like to make clear that I am dr. Shobhan Singh >> working as an Assistant Professor at Zakir Husain Delhi College in >> university of Delhi and I am also a visually impaired. I have not >> mentioned or claimed in any of my mail that I have specialization in >> Science of Mind or therapy which would be use to cure blindness >> during this 7 days’ camp. >> I >> am just an organizer and participant of the camp. >> Mr. Jitendra an IIT passed out and has worked as software Engeneer in >> Japan for 10 years belongs to Haryana State, is specialised in >> Science of Mind from Japan. Jitendra resigned from his job and after >> returning from Japan to India, he began his social service based on >> his own observations and inferences from Science of Mind and decided to cure >> blindness. >> As far as technique of the treatment is concern, it involves 4 steps: >> 1. Breathing excercises, >> 2. Pranic heeling, >> 3. Reki therapy and >> 4. Few certain brain exercises. >> Persons with visual impair
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using power of brain upto its maximum power is a good idea. the subject line of original mail should be changed accordingly. Swami vivekanand can memorise the entire book once he read it. everybody can not become vivekanand. many of children have passed many higher exams in the age of 10-15. we can not claim all can do. same should be here. visually impaired can see. in my opinion if a completely blind join to see again, is a wastage of time. Brain exercise is another matter. now this thread has been turned to convincing mode instead of claiming scientific evidence. -Original Message- From: Kriya Jain Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:25 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? Why not someone just tries it? anyways it's free. Having some mind exercises and reiki won't harm anyone if not any good, right? Regards, Kanchan On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:28 AM Asudani, Rajesh wrote: Yes, it is, and so I have changed it. As I have said earlier, it appears that information is conveyed via touch and other senses, information which appears primarily to be visual. I have heard of it in children below 15, and they were not willing to try it for me, i.e. totally blind person a little upwards of forty. Now, if somebody has tried for blind children and is willing to try it out in blind adults, let us not scoff at the attempts. Yes, exaggerated claims like blind can see and associating prominent scientists unnecessarily should be avoided. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of George Abraham Sent: 30 November 2018 08:50 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! Is there a problem with the subject line. Is it a little misleading? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of shobhan singh Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 12:46 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! Dear list members, First of all, I would like to make clear that I am dr. Shobhan Singh working as an Assistant Professor at Zakir Husain Delhi College in university of Delhi and I am also a visually impaired. I have not mentioned or claimed in any of my mail that I have specialization in Science of Mind or therapy which would be use to cure blindness during this 7 days’ camp. I am just an organizer and participant of the camp. Mr. Jitendra an IIT passed out and has worked as software Engeneer in Japan for 10 years belongs to Haryana State, is specialised in Science of Mind from Japan. Jitendra resigned from his job and after returning from Japan to India, he began his social service based on his own observations and inferences from Science of Mind and decided to cure blindness. As far as technique of the treatment is concern, it involves 4 steps: 1. Breathing excercises, 2. Pranic heeling, 3. Reki therapy and 4. Few certain brain exercises. Persons with visual impairment of any type and age group can be cured with these techniques however, it effectively and quickly works on below 40 years old people. But it does not mean or claim that these techniques would change one’s physical and medical conditions, it would just active sense of sight or seeing or to say its mid-brain activation. As far as medical certificate is concern, is not essential.Sent from my Iphone > On 29-Nov-2018, at 8:48 PM, bhawani shankar verma > wrote: > > I still can not understand that why this discussion is going in this group. > it means that it is too easy to make foolish inteligent people. > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2018, 7:57 p.m. Austin Pinto > wrote: > >> as shobhan singh says he will clear our doubts when free i have some >> questions which will be helpful for us. >> 1. if you carefully see the video the children are asked to touch >> shapes drawn on paper and find out size, color etc. >> why is this are the shapes drawn using some type of tactile or something? >> how can some1 find out color of shapes by touch. >> 2. who can benefit from this camp. >> can people with optic nerve damage attend? >> what are the age groups that can attend cause in this video we only >> see small children. >> please clarify. >> >>> On 11/29/18, sazid shaik wrote: >>> intresting, >>> >>>> On 11/29/18, shobhan singh wrote: >>>> As soon as I will be free by this evening I will try to Clare all >>>> the doubts and confusions. >>>> >>>> Sent from my Iphone >>>> >>>>> On 29-Nov-2018, at 1:47 PM, Ved wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Why videos. Give your address and I am coming t
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Friends, You may want to read this following overview about Reiki and midbrain activation from this following link: http://reikimasterpuran.blogspot.com/p/mid-brain-activation-course.html Thank You. Sathiya On 11/29/18, Anshul Kapoor (अंशुल कपूर) wrote: > I enquired about this technique about 4-5 years back from a person teaching > the same in Gujarat. He was making sighted children read books with their > eyes closed. On enquiring he told me that it is not possible for adults as > people who develop logic cannot get benefit from this technique. I mailed > the same on access India at that time also. Only children who haven't > developed logical thinking can successfully practice this technique. The > person from Gujarat told me that it is my business and I will benefit from > it but adults cannot do this at all. My father told me about this on > viewing a TV channel and I searched for his contact no. from the net. > > With regards > > Anshul Kapoor > Cell- 9958890358 > > "In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, > the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is > nothing." > Theodore Roosevelt > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Kriya Jain > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:25 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? > > Why not someone just tries it? anyways it's free. Having some mind > exercises and reiki won't harm anyone if not any good, right? > > Regards, > Kanchan > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:28 AM Asudani, Rajesh > wrote: > >> Yes, it is, and so I have changed it. >> >> As I have said earlier, it appears that information is conveyed via touch >> and other senses, information which appears primarily to be visual. >> >> I have heard of it in children below 15, and they were not willing to try >> it for me, i.e. totally blind person a little upwards of forty. >> >> Now, if somebody has tried for blind children and is willing to try it >> out >> in blind adults, let us not scoff at the attempts. >> Yes, exaggerated claims like blind can see and associating prominent >> scientists unnecessarily should be avoided. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of George Abraham >> Sent: 30 November 2018 08:50 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! >> >> Is there a problem with the subject line. Is it a little misleading? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of shobhan singh >> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 12:46 AM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! >> >> Dear list members, >> First of all, I would like to make clear that I am dr. Shobhan Singh >> working as an Assistant Professor at Zakir Husain Delhi College in >> university of Delhi and I am also a visually impaired. I have not >> mentioned >> or claimed in any of my mail that I have specialization in Science of >> Mind >> or therapy which would be use to cure blindness during this 7 days’ camp. >> I >> am just an organizer and participant of the camp. >> Mr. Jitendra an IIT passed out and has worked as software Engeneer in >> Japan for 10 years belongs to Haryana State, is specialised in Science of >> Mind from Japan. Jitendra resigned from his job and after returning from >> Japan to India, he began his social service based on his own observations >> and inferences from Science of Mind and decided to cure blindness. >> As far as technique of the treatment is concern, it involves 4 steps: >> 1. Breathing excercises, >> 2. Pranic heeling, >> 3. Reki therapy and >> 4. Few certain brain exercises. >> Persons with visual impairment of any type and age group can be cured >> with >> these techniques however, it effectively and quickly works on below 40 >> years old people. >> But it does not mean or claim that these techniques would change one’s >> physical and medical conditions, it would just active sense of sight or >> seeing or to say its mid-brain activation. >> As far as medical certificate is concern, is not essential.Sent from my >> Iphone >> >> > On 29-Nov-2018, at 8:48 PM
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I enquired about this technique about 4-5 years back from a person teaching the same in Gujarat. He was making sighted children read books with their eyes closed. On enquiring he told me that it is not possible for adults as people who develop logic cannot get benefit from this technique. I mailed the same on access India at that time also. Only children who haven't developed logical thinking can successfully practice this technique. The person from Gujarat told me that it is my business and I will benefit from it but adults cannot do this at all. My father told me about this on viewing a TV channel and I searched for his contact no. from the net. With regards Anshul Kapoor Cell- 9958890358 "In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing." Theodore Roosevelt -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kriya Jain Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:25 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Sensory substitution in blind? Why not someone just tries it? anyways it's free. Having some mind exercises and reiki won't harm anyone if not any good, right? Regards, Kanchan On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:28 AM Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Yes, it is, and so I have changed it. > > As I have said earlier, it appears that information is conveyed via touch > and other senses, information which appears primarily to be visual. > > I have heard of it in children below 15, and they were not willing to try > it for me, i.e. totally blind person a little upwards of forty. > > Now, if somebody has tried for blind children and is willing to try it out > in blind adults, let us not scoff at the attempts. > Yes, exaggerated claims like blind can see and associating prominent > scientists unnecessarily should be avoided. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of George Abraham > Sent: 30 November 2018 08:50 > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! > > Is there a problem with the subject line. Is it a little misleading? > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of shobhan singh > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 12:46 AM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! > > Dear list members, > First of all, I would like to make clear that I am dr. Shobhan Singh > working as an Assistant Professor at Zakir Husain Delhi College in > university of Delhi and I am also a visually impaired. I have not mentioned > or claimed in any of my mail that I have specialization in Science of Mind > or therapy which would be use to cure blindness during this 7 days’ camp. I > am just an organizer and participant of the camp. > Mr. Jitendra an IIT passed out and has worked as software Engeneer in > Japan for 10 years belongs to Haryana State, is specialised in Science of > Mind from Japan. Jitendra resigned from his job and after returning from > Japan to India, he began his social service based on his own observations > and inferences from Science of Mind and decided to cure blindness. > As far as technique of the treatment is concern, it involves 4 steps: > 1. Breathing excercises, > 2. Pranic heeling, > 3. Reki therapy and > 4. Few certain brain exercises. > Persons with visual impairment of any type and age group can be cured with > these techniques however, it effectively and quickly works on below 40 > years old people. > But it does not mean or claim that these techniques would change one’s > physical and medical conditions, it would just active sense of sight or > seeing or to say its mid-brain activation. > As far as medical certificate is concern, is not essential.Sent from my > Iphone > > > On 29-Nov-2018, at 8:48 PM, bhawani shankar verma > wrote: > > > > I still can not understand that why this discussion is going in this > group. > > it means that it is too easy to make foolish inteligent people. > > > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2018, 7:57 p.m. Austin Pinto > > > wrote: > > > >> as shobhan singh says he will clear our doubts when free i have some > >> questions which will be helpful for us. > >> 1. if you carefully see the video the children are asked to touch > >> shapes drawn on paper and find out size, color etc. > >> why is this are the shapes drawn using some type of tactile or > something? > >> how can some1 find ou
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Why not someone just tries it? anyways it's free. Having some mind exercises and reiki won't harm anyone if not any good, right? Regards, Kanchan On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:28 AM Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Yes, it is, and so I have changed it. > > As I have said earlier, it appears that information is conveyed via touch > and other senses, information which appears primarily to be visual. > > I have heard of it in children below 15, and they were not willing to try > it for me, i.e. totally blind person a little upwards of forty. > > Now, if somebody has tried for blind children and is willing to try it out > in blind adults, let us not scoff at the attempts. > Yes, exaggerated claims like blind can see and associating prominent > scientists unnecessarily should be avoided. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of George Abraham > Sent: 30 November 2018 08:50 > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning the disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! > > Is there a problem with the subject line. Is it a little misleading? > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of shobhan singh > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 12:46 AM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! > > Dear list members, > First of all, I would like to make clear that I am dr. Shobhan Singh > working as an Assistant Professor at Zakir Husain Delhi College in > university of Delhi and I am also a visually impaired. I have not mentioned > or claimed in any of my mail that I have specialization in Science of Mind > or therapy which would be use to cure blindness during this 7 days’ camp. I > am just an organizer and participant of the camp. > Mr. Jitendra an IIT passed out and has worked as software Engeneer in > Japan for 10 years belongs to Haryana State, is specialised in Science of > Mind from Japan. Jitendra resigned from his job and after returning from > Japan to India, he began his social service based on his own observations > and inferences from Science of Mind and decided to cure blindness. > As far as technique of the treatment is concern, it involves 4 steps: > 1. Breathing excercises, > 2. Pranic heeling, > 3. Reki therapy and > 4. Few certain brain exercises. > Persons with visual impairment of any type and age group can be cured with > these techniques however, it effectively and quickly works on below 40 > years old people. > But it does not mean or claim that these techniques would change one’s > physical and medical conditions, it would just active sense of sight or > seeing or to say its mid-brain activation. > As far as medical certificate is concern, is not essential.Sent from my > Iphone > > > On 29-Nov-2018, at 8:48 PM, bhawani shankar verma > wrote: > > > > I still can not understand that why this discussion is going in this > group. > > it means that it is too easy to make foolish inteligent people. > > > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2018, 7:57 p.m. Austin Pinto > > > wrote: > > > >> as shobhan singh says he will clear our doubts when free i have some > >> questions which will be helpful for us. > >> 1. if you carefully see the video the children are asked to touch > >> shapes drawn on paper and find out size, color etc. > >> why is this are the shapes drawn using some type of tactile or > something? > >> how can some1 find out color of shapes by touch. > >> 2. who can benefit from this camp. > >> can people with optic nerve damage attend? > >> what are the age groups that can attend cause in this video we only > >> see small children. > >> please clarify. > >> > >>> On 11/29/18, sazid shaik wrote: > >>> intresting, > >>> > On 11/29/18, shobhan singh wrote: > As soon as I will be free by this evening I will try to Clare all > the doubts and confusions. > > Sent from my Iphone > > > On 29-Nov-2018, at 1:47 PM, Ved wrote: > > > > Why videos. Give your address and I am coming to attend the camp > > in > >> order > > to see myself. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] > > On Behalf Of shobhan singh > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 3:25 PM > > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > > concerning the disabled. > > Subject: Re: [AI] Visually impaired can see now! > > > > Yes all of them are able to see. Soon I will send videos by this > >> evening > > of those people. > > > > Sent from my Iphone > > > >> On 28-Nov-2018, at 12:14 PM, bhawani shankar verma > >> wrote: > >> > >> are they able to see now? those 400 blind children? > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- From: shobhan singh > >> Sent:
