Re: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege
Hmm I'm from Michigan and much described is pretty accurate. And I'm from up north, not way up north but the further towards the north pole you go the more of the Red Neck, hillbilly and fish pole in your hand a majority of the time is sooo true! Really Joe didn't mention that there are two states in Michigan. (Detroit being one and the rest of the state of Michigan being another.) Only those from Michigan probably understand that but hey, move here and you would understand! My ramblings over and out! PS: Thanks Joe for the description of fishing I will be using this. Steve Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Send - AD mailing list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege Red Neck - Hilly Billy or Country Person, not a city person. Called a red neck because usually outside with a shirt on, get a red neck and a farmer's tan on the arms. Michigander - Person from Michigan, USA Smelt Dippin - More properly known as Smelt Dipping. Process to use a net to catch small fish that are usually fried. See http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/rainbowsmelt.html Snagging Suckers - Snagging is another way to capture fish. You havea lead weight and a big nasty hook and put the fish line under the fish and pull it up suddenly to hook the fish's underside. Suckers are a type of fish (formally known as a White Sucker or Mullet) that you catch this way because they don't respond to normal bait fishing and are tough to net unless they are spawning. You usually smoke sucker fish. By smoke I mean you put them in a special cooker that cooks through indirect heat and flavors the fish with the flavor of the wood used to create the heat. See http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/whitesucker.html Bullheads - Yet another type of fish, more formally known as the Yellow Belly Bullhead. It is sort of like a catfish but with nasty spines on the fins that can tear through your skin and infect you with whatever bacteria comes from the bottom of a sludge filled lake. You tend to catch these fish at night with nightcrawlers or pieces of corn on hooks. You will usually fry bullheads. See http://www.thejump.net/id/yellow-bullhead.htm Nightcrawlers - Name for large earthworms also called red wrigglers you capture at night on the surface of the ground. Great for fishing. See http://www.sarep.ucdavis.edu/worms/image7.htm Crick - A small stream only a few inches deep. Also known as creek. See http://www.bartleby.com/68/61/5761.html Brookies - Brook trout. Another type of fish. Very pretty fish. They tend towards smaller sizes but are extremely tasty, probably one of the best tasting fish you can catch in Michigan along with the Walleye. Brookies are generally grilled or pan fried in butter though some insane people will bake them like Salmon or Tuna. They prefer very cold water and hang out in areas that aren't generally the most conducive to fishing. They tend to be more conducive to getting tied up in branches and nettles and bitten by mosquitos and gnats and horse flies. See http://www.cffcm.org/gallery/images/trout/brook-05.jpg Crayfish - Also known as a crawdad, smallish lobster like animal. For some reason the older Michiganders like to make these into soups with various other shellfish and turtles. See http://www.mackers.com/crayfish/crayfis2.jpg Viddles - Food. Dandilion Wine/Greens - Proper spelling is Dandelion but the E is strongly pronounced as a short I in northern Michigan so it tends to get spelled with an I. Wine and Salad made from a common Michigan plant with pretty flower. This plant is generally considered a weed because it grows of its own accord whereever it wants very quickly upsetting many homeowners who only want grass on their lawn. See http://koti.mbnet.fi/~kakoskin/photos/dandelion.jpg Snapper soup - Soup made from the fresh water Snapping Turtle. An extremely agressive and hard biting turtle that is commonly caught and tossed into soups with crayfish. You catch a snapping turtle by touching its head with a stick, it will then clamp onto the stick and will not let go. You can carry it all the way home this way, I used to carry them literally miles when I was a kid to get them from various ponds and streams and rivers back to my parent's house. See http://www.chelydra.org/snapping_turtle_serpentina.html Walleye - Another fish. Great tasting like the Brookie. Completely different type of fishing to get Walleye though, you usually have to sit in a boat on a lake and spin cast for them. These fish are usually grilled or pan fried in butter like brookies but are ok to bake if they are larger. See http://www.fishweb.com/recreation/fishing/fishfacts/fish/walleye/walleye.htm l You will note that most of that paragraph was about fish or fishing or other creatures that live in fresh water. Michigan, being surrounded by freshwater
RE : [ActiveDir] [OT]Delegation of privilege
Hi Sakari :) I'm in France, in the beautyfull and exceptional city called Lyon :o). I was just joking because It seems to be hard to get your autograph right here, but nevermind, I get your book, and that's great. But, we never know if one day u make a Conference in Europe, let me know, i will be pleased to join :) Best Regards, Yann De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] de la part de Sakari Kouti Date: ven. 22/07/2005 23:34 À: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Objet : RE: [ActiveDir] [OT]Delegation of privilege Thanks Yann for your kind words, I don't know on which continent you are, Yann, but I'll try to make it to the next springs DEC conference, so if we'll see there, sure you'll get an autograph. (I'm not sure how serious you were with your question, but since you asked, I answer...) Yours, Sakari From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TIROA YANN Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:56 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT]Delegation of privilege Hi everybody, I'm ok :o) Joe, if u in the process of writing an ADk3/w2k3 (and maybe e2k3 :), do not forget to let us know about it, i will be highly interested about getting it ... wishing u will not published your book in Michigand langage that seems to hard for me to understand :o) 2 months ago, I bought Sakari Kouti and Mika Seitsonen's one -Inside Active Directory 2nd Edition - and i don't regret my choice. It is really a very very good and comprehensive book with high knowledge that miss in our french course or book :( . So congrats Sakari for the good job ! may I ask u an autograph ? :-) Cheers, Yann winmail.dat
[ActiveDir] OT: new job
I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a normal company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company handbook which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Tom: I work for a credit union, so the rules and reg's financial institutions have to follow are similar. I concern myself with Sarbanes-Oxley and Patriot acts. As for the at will employment clause in the handbook; that is standard, kind of a CYA for the company and you for that matter. Anyway, enjoy the financial world :) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a normal company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company handbook which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
At will is very standard in the industry, especially for contract work. I have had several jobs that were set up that way and in each I was there multiple years without an issue. It allows the company to dump if you if you really really suck or if you just don't fit in. As for financial work. Expect a lot of focus on rules, regulations, and auditing. One of my previous positions was in the financial division of a very large company and we were independently audited for compliance at least 2 times a year, keep your paperwork in order. Be able to explain everything. Finally I also have experience with boths side of the insource/outsource world. I have been the one in an outside company taking over and doing the work and have been the one on the inside insourcing the work. Insouring, IMO, is harder than outsourcing. With outsourcing, everyone is mostly of the same mind (with the exception of the people whose jobs will not be the same in the company that is outsourcing). When you insource, you have the concerted efforts of the outsource company against you. It shouldn't be that way but they tend to be rather evil towards you. Don't much expect to get documentation, etc on how things are done, why, and when. Before you start taking things over, have a good idea of what is there and the general big picture of it all. The insourcing I did (clearly seen on my resume) was to grab back the AD I built when I worked for the company the work was outsourced to previously (that I had worked on the outsourcing of). However I had been out of the loop for 6 months and when I took it back over, though I had a great understanding of what was supposed to be there and how it all fit together, it still took about 18 months to get it all cleaned up to a pristine environment again that I had left behind 6 months previous. The thing I like to tell people, any idiot can screw AD up, it takes a real wizard to go in and find all of the screwed up inconsistent things and correct them. AD (and Exchange) can stumble along with lots of things not right until there are enough not right things to knock it down and then you are in trouble. The goal when going into an environment you didn't build, is trying to find all of the things not right. This involves a lot of careful listening to anyone who mentions any kind of symptom as well as just browsing over the objects and getting a feel for what is there. Expect to work some pretty heavy hours to get it under control. My recommendation is to make sure the core things are working right up front - AD,FRS replication, and DNS. Then circle out from there. If you find something wrong, put together a script to audit all other locations that same thing could be wrong and anything similar that could be wrong. Lots of luck. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a normal company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company handbook which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege
No problem. :o) I grew up in Northern Lower[1] Michigan myself, the village, yes village, of Manton to be specific. joe P.S. To Rick's comment... Close, I was waiting for her to get home so we could go out for dinner and look at Dodge Ram 1500's. ;o) [1] This is not way up north but up north enough I spent my summers without shoes, socks, and shirts at some fishing hole, swimming hole, creek, or lake or in the woods camping. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Schofield Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 5:33 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege Hmm I'm from Michigan and much described is pretty accurate. And I'm from up north, not way up north but the further towards the north pole you go the more of the Red Neck, hillbilly and fish pole in your hand a majority of the time is sooo true! Really Joe didn't mention that there are two states in Michigan. (Detroit being one and the rest of the state of Michigan being another.) Only those from Michigan probably understand that but hey, move here and you would understand! My ramblings over and out! PS: Thanks Joe for the description of fishing I will be using this. Steve Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Send - AD mailing list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege Red Neck - Hilly Billy or Country Person, not a city person. Called a red neck because usually outside with a shirt on, get a red neck and a farmer's tan on the arms. Michigander - Person from Michigan, USA Smelt Dippin - More properly known as Smelt Dipping. Process to use a net to catch small fish that are usually fried. See http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/rainbowsmelt.html Snagging Suckers - Snagging is another way to capture fish. You havea lead weight and a big nasty hook and put the fish line under the fish and pull it up suddenly to hook the fish's underside. Suckers are a type of fish (formally known as a White Sucker or Mullet) that you catch this way because they don't respond to normal bait fishing and are tough to net unless they are spawning. You usually smoke sucker fish. By smoke I mean you put them in a special cooker that cooks through indirect heat and flavors the fish with the flavor of the wood used to create the heat. See http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/whitesucker.html Bullheads - Yet another type of fish, more formally known as the Yellow Belly Bullhead. It is sort of like a catfish but with nasty spines on the fins that can tear through your skin and infect you with whatever bacteria comes from the bottom of a sludge filled lake. You tend to catch these fish at night with nightcrawlers or pieces of corn on hooks. You will usually fry bullheads. See http://www.thejump.net/id/yellow-bullhead.htm Nightcrawlers - Name for large earthworms also called red wrigglers you capture at night on the surface of the ground. Great for fishing. See http://www.sarep.ucdavis.edu/worms/image7.htm Crick - A small stream only a few inches deep. Also known as creek. See http://www.bartleby.com/68/61/5761.html Brookies - Brook trout. Another type of fish. Very pretty fish. They tend towards smaller sizes but are extremely tasty, probably one of the best tasting fish you can catch in Michigan along with the Walleye. Brookies are generally grilled or pan fried in butter though some insane people will bake them like Salmon or Tuna. They prefer very cold water and hang out in areas that aren't generally the most conducive to fishing. They tend to be more conducive to getting tied up in branches and nettles and bitten by mosquitos and gnats and horse flies. See http://www.cffcm.org/gallery/images/trout/brook-05.jpg Crayfish - Also known as a crawdad, smallish lobster like animal. For some reason the older Michiganders like to make these into soups with various other shellfish and turtles. See http://www.mackers.com/crayfish/crayfis2.jpg Viddles - Food. Dandilion Wine/Greens - Proper spelling is Dandelion but the E is strongly pronounced as a short I in northern Michigan so it tends to get spelled with an I. Wine and Salad made from a common Michigan plant with pretty flower. This plant is generally considered a weed because it grows of its own accord whereever it wants very quickly upsetting many homeowners who only want grass on their lawn. See http://koti.mbnet.fi/~kakoskin/photos/dandelion.jpg Snapper soup - Soup made from the fresh water Snapping Turtle. An extremely agressive and hard biting turtle that is commonly caught and tossed into soups with crayfish. You catch a snapping turtle by touching its head with a stick, it will then clamp onto the stick and will not let go. You can carry it all the way home this way, I used to carry them literally miles when I was a
RE: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege
I think you forgot the Vernor's http://www.dpsu.com/vernors.html -Original Message- From: joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 8:20 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege No problem. :o) I grew up in Northern Lower[1] Michigan myself, the village, yes village, of Manton to be specific. joe P.S. To Rick's comment... Close, I was waiting for her to get home so we could go out for dinner and look at Dodge Ram 1500's. ;o) [1] This is not way up north but up north enough I spent my summers without shoes, socks, and shirts at some fishing hole, swimming hole, creek, or lake or in the woods camping. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Schofield Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 5:33 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege Hmm I'm from Michigan and much described is pretty accurate. And I'm from up north, not way up north but the further towards the north pole you go the more of the Red Neck, hillbilly and fish pole in your hand a majority of the time is sooo true! Really Joe didn't mention that there are two states in Michigan. (Detroit being one and the rest of the state of Michigan being another.) Only those from Michigan probably understand that but hey, move here and you would understand! My ramblings over and out! PS: Thanks Joe for the description of fishing I will be using this. Steve Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Send - AD mailing list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege Red Neck - Hilly Billy or Country Person, not a city person. Called a red neck because usually outside with a shirt on, get a red neck and a farmer's tan on the arms. Michigander - Person from Michigan, USA Smelt Dippin - More properly known as Smelt Dipping. Process to use a net to catch small fish that are usually fried. See http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/rainbowsmelt.html Snagging Suckers - Snagging is another way to capture fish. You havea lead weight and a big nasty hook and put the fish line under the fish and pull it up suddenly to hook the fish's underside. Suckers are a type of fish (formally known as a White Sucker or Mullet) that you catch this way because they don't respond to normal bait fishing and are tough to net unless they are spawning. You usually smoke sucker fish. By smoke I mean you put them in a special cooker that cooks through indirect heat and flavors the fish with the flavor of the wood used to create the heat. See http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/whitesucker.html Bullheads - Yet another type of fish, more formally known as the Yellow Belly Bullhead. It is sort of like a catfish but with nasty spines on the fins that can tear through your skin and infect you with whatever bacteria comes from the bottom of a sludge filled lake. You tend to catch these fish at night with nightcrawlers or pieces of corn on hooks. You will usually fry bullheads. See http://www.thejump.net/id/yellow-bullhead.htm Nightcrawlers - Name for large earthworms also called red wrigglers you capture at night on the surface of the ground. Great for fishing. See http://www.sarep.ucdavis.edu/worms/image7.htm Crick - A small stream only a few inches deep. Also known as creek. See http://www.bartleby.com/68/61/5761.html Brookies - Brook trout. Another type of fish. Very pretty fish. They tend towards smaller sizes but are extremely tasty, probably one of the best tasting fish you can catch in Michigan along with the Walleye. Brookies are generally grilled or pan fried in butter though some insane people will bake them like Salmon or Tuna. They prefer very cold water and hang out in areas that aren't generally the most conducive to fishing. They tend to be more conducive to getting tied up in branches and nettles and bitten by mosquitos and gnats and horse flies. See http://www.cffcm.org/gallery/images/trout/brook-05.jpg Crayfish - Also known as a crawdad, smallish lobster like animal. For some reason the older Michiganders like to make these into soups with various other shellfish and turtles. See http://www.mackers.com/crayfish/crayfis2.jpg Viddles - Food. Dandilion Wine/Greens - Proper spelling is Dandelion but the E is strongly pronounced as a short I in northern Michigan so it tends to get spelled with an I. Wine and Salad made from a common Michigan plant with pretty flower. This plant is generally considered a weed because it grows of its own accord whereever it wants very quickly upsetting many homeowners who only want grass on their lawn. See http://koti.mbnet.fi/~kakoskin/photos/dandelion.jpg Snapper soup - Soup made from the fresh water Snapping Turtle. An extremely agressive and hard biting turtle that
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
As usual, that's a great description Joe. I think Rick had a great sense about it as well. I'm pretty sure I've seen some of the reqs for this company you're talking about. Looks like an interesting challenge and one that would be hard to pass up. One of the things that strikes me is the size and how they may want to have somebody who knows both AD and Exchange in a large organization to the degree they'd like. That's not a small task as anyone (Joe?) that's worked a large organization can tell you. Some of the larger companies will have dedicated staff for silly things like name servers. Each company is different but the larger and more complex the company, the more likely that you'll have to focus in on a technology as a specialist more than a generalist as you may be currently accustomed. Oh, you'll still need to know that other stuff, but it won't be your daily bread and butter and you'll have to learn to rely on teammates to get things done that today you consider simple. Personally? I absolutely LOVE large companies. The bigger the better. 1 million consumers of the service and a team of rowdy technical folks in 15 countries? Lets go! I love that kind of challenge. Being a generalist is not my favorite compared to that challenge. normal ?? I'm not sure what your definition of normal is. Mine is that I'm normal and the rest of the world's population is weird. Not sure that fits your definition, but I suspect your perspective may be different. Financial institutions are a funny lot. I've found that when it comes to technology, they don't tend to attract the best management styles. There are exceptions, but I have to say if they made a deal to outsource and now want to insource with different people, I'm a bit cautious of the culture that led to that decision. That's me though. In the end, I'd say that the challenge is well worth it if you want to further your career. Always looks good when you can say you've run a shop that serviced 250K users. In fact, I'm jealous of the opportunity. Hope it works out, Tom. :) My $0.04 anyway. Feel free to ping off-line if you would like any further thoughts. I haven't been keeping up with this list like I should... Al From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joe Sent: Sat 7/23/2005 11:02 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job At will is very standard in the industry, especially for contract work. I have had several jobs that were set up that way and in each I was there multiple years without an issue. It allows the company to dump if you if you really really suck or if you just don't fit in. As for financial work. Expect a lot of focus on rules, regulations, and auditing. One of my previous positions was in the financial division of a very large company and we were independently audited for compliance at least 2 times a year, keep your paperwork in order. Be able to explain everything. Finally I also have experience with boths side of the insource/outsource world. I have been the one in an outside company taking over and doing the work and have been the one on the inside insourcing the work. Insouring, IMO, is harder than outsourcing. With outsourcing, everyone is mostly of the same mind (with the exception of the people whose jobs will not be the same in the company that is outsourcing). When you insource, you have the concerted efforts of the outsource company against you. It shouldn't be that way but they tend to be rather evil towards you. Don't much expect to get documentation, etc on how things are done, why, and when. Before you start taking things over, have a good idea of what is there and the general big picture of it all. The insourcing I did (clearly seen on my resume) was to grab back the AD I built when I worked for the company the work was outsourced to previously (that I had worked on the outsourcing of). However I had been out of the loop for 6 months and when I took it back over, though I had a great understanding of what was supposed to be there and how it all fit together, it still took about 18 months to get it all cleaned up to a pristine environment again that I had left behind 6 months previous. The thing I like to tell people, any idiot can screw AD up, it takes a real wizard to go in and find all of the screwed up inconsistent things and correct them. AD (and Exchange) can stumble along with lots of things not right until there are enough not right things to knock it down and then you are in trouble. The goal when going into an environment you didn't build, is trying to find all of the things not right. This involves a lot of careful listening to anyone who mentions any kind of symptom as well as just browsing over the objects and getting a feel for what is there. Expect to work some pretty heavy hours to get it under control. My recommendation is to make sure the core things are working right up
RE: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege
Buddy, you have THE life. Is the Doge going to be in addition TO the Jeep, or are you bagging that? Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:20 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege No problem. :o) I grew up in Northern Lower[1] Michigan myself, the village, yes village, of Manton to be specific. joe P.S. To Rick's comment... Close, I was waiting for her to get home so we could go out for dinner and look at Dodge Ram 1500's. ;o) [1] This is not way up north but up north enough I spent my summers without shoes, socks, and shirts at some fishing hole, swimming hole, creek, or lake or in the woods camping. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Schofield Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 5:33 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege Hmm I'm from Michigan and much described is pretty accurate. And I'm from up north, not way up north but the further towards the north pole you go the more of the Red Neck, hillbilly and fish pole in your hand a majority of the time is sooo true! Really Joe didn't mention that there are two states in Michigan. (Detroit being one and the rest of the state of Michigan being another.) Only those from Michigan probably understand that but hey, move here and you would understand! My ramblings over and out! PS: Thanks Joe for the description of fishing I will be using this. Steve Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Send - AD mailing list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [Even further OT]Delegation of privilege Red Neck - Hilly Billy or Country Person, not a city person. Called a red neck because usually outside with a shirt on, get a red neck and a farmer's tan on the arms. Michigander - Person from Michigan, USA Smelt Dippin - More properly known as Smelt Dipping. Process to use a net to catch small fish that are usually fried. See http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/rainbowsmelt.html Snagging Suckers - Snagging is another way to capture fish. You havea lead weight and a big nasty hook and put the fish line under the fish and pull it up suddenly to hook the fish's underside. Suckers are a type of fish (formally known as a White Sucker or Mullet) that you catch this way because they don't respond to normal bait fishing and are tough to net unless they are spawning. You usually smoke sucker fish. By smoke I mean you put them in a special cooker that cooks through indirect heat and flavors the fish with the flavor of the wood used to create the heat. See http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/whitesucker.html Bullheads - Yet another type of fish, more formally known as the Yellow Belly Bullhead. It is sort of like a catfish but with nasty spines on the fins that can tear through your skin and infect you with whatever bacteria comes from the bottom of a sludge filled lake. You tend to catch these fish at night with nightcrawlers or pieces of corn on hooks. You will usually fry bullheads. See http://www.thejump.net/id/yellow-bullhead.htm Nightcrawlers - Name for large earthworms also called red wrigglers you capture at night on the surface of the ground. Great for fishing. See http://www.sarep.ucdavis.edu/worms/image7.htm Crick - A small stream only a few inches deep. Also known as creek. See http://www.bartleby.com/68/61/5761.html Brookies - Brook trout. Another type of fish. Very pretty fish. They tend towards smaller sizes but are extremely tasty, probably one of the best tasting fish you can catch in Michigan along with the Walleye. Brookies are generally grilled or pan fried in butter though some insane people will bake them like Salmon or Tuna. They prefer very cold water and hang out in areas that aren't generally the most conducive to fishing. They tend to be more conducive to getting tied up in branches and nettles and bitten by mosquitos and gnats and horse flies. See http://www.cffcm.org/gallery/images/trout/brook-05.jpg Crayfish - Also known as a crawdad, smallish lobster like animal. For some reason the older Michiganders like to make these into soups with various other shellfish and turtles. See http://www.mackers.com/crayfish/crayfis2.jpg Viddles - Food. Dandilion Wine/Greens - Proper spelling is Dandelion but the E is strongly pronounced as a short I in northern Michigan so it tends to get spelled with an I. Wine and Salad made from a common Michigan plant with pretty flower. This plant is generally considered a weed because it grows of its own accord whereever it wants very quickly upsetting many homeowners who only want grass on their lawn. See http://koti.mbnet.fi/~kakoskin/photos/dandelion.jpg Snapper soup - Soup made from the fresh
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Tom, I'll address the satement in the handbook. I'd be concerned if it was stated that matter-of-factly. My experience is that most companies approach your status with them as at-will work ethic. At-Will simply means that there is no implied guarantee that the company has to maintain you (IOW - there is no contract that implies you will be employed for 5 years, at which time we will re-negotiate). The other way that you can look at is like this - the reverse applies for you, too. If the work conditions are so heinous, then you aren't bound by that same 5 year contract. You are allowed to give notice and leave. It's very normal for these types of clauses - in all but Union positions. Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a normal company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company handbook which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I would tend to agree. I like big companies. The politics tend to be a bit more tricky but as Al mentioned, you get to focus on the tech that you work on. For instance, I loved running AD but not being responsible for DNS or clients. DNS and clients have never spun my propeller. You do have to get along well with the other groups like DNS and Network or else your life can be a bit trying. I feel the ideas that are thought up during problem times are more interesting as well because you have a lot of people with very divergent opinions and outlooks. I definitely agree on the management styles in a financial org. Also the IT department always seems to report up through accounting in a financial environment. Those guys are happy with Excel on Win3.1. Hard to convince them that you need Vista for easier management or whatever. The insourcing after outsourcing doesn't bother me so much. It seems a lot of companies like to outsource thinking it will save money, then a few years later they realize they have lost control of their environment and no one really knows how it works anymore. That or the cost is more substantial than they figured because work that might have been a subjob of someone before is now being charged for at real dollars or pounds or whatever. Many companies can't figure out if they want to maintain a staff of well trained people to take care of the IT needs, flip flopping on that decision also impacts the outsource/insource ping pong. The one good thing about jumping to outsourcing and then later outsourcing to another vendor or insourcing is that you tend to take good strong looks at what you have. If you don't go through exercises like that there is a good chance you haven't the foggiest clue what some of those machines in the datacenter are doing. During the outsource I worked on we identified probably 20 servers in the main US Data Center that didn't seem to be running anything but the OS. That is a lot of waste. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:06 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job As usual, that's a great description Joe. I think Rick had a great sense about it as well. I'm pretty sure I've seen some of the reqs for this company you're talking about. Looks like an interesting challenge and one that would be hard to pass up. One of the things that strikes me is the size and how they may want to have somebody who knows both AD and Exchange in a large organization to the degree they'd like. That's not a small task as anyone (Joe?) that's worked a large organization can tell you. Some of the larger companies will have dedicated staff for silly things like name servers. Each company is different but the larger and more complex the company, the more likely that you'll have to focus in on a technology as a specialist more than a generalist as you may be currently accustomed. Oh, you'll still need to know that other stuff, but it won't be your daily bread and butter and you'll have to learn to rely on teammates to get things done that today you consider simple. Personally? I absolutely LOVE large companies. The bigger the better. 1 million consumers of the service and a team of rowdy technical folks in 15 countries? Lets go! I love that kind of challenge. Being a generalist is not my favorite compared to that challenge. "normal" ?? I'm not sure what your definition of normal is. Mine is that I'm normal and the rest of the world's population is weird. Not sure that fits your definition, but I suspect your perspective may be different. Financial institutions are a funny lot. I've found that when it comes to technology, they don't tend to attract the best management styles. There are exceptions, but I have to say if they made a deal to outsource and now want to insource with different people, I'm a bit cautious of the culture that led to that decision. That's me though. In the end, I'd say that the challenge is well worth it if you want to further your career. Always looks good when you can say you've run a shop that serviced 250K users. In fact, I'm jealous of the opportunity. Hope it works out, Tom. :) My $0.04 anyway. Feel free to ping off-line if you would like any further thoughts. I haven't been keeping up with this list like I should... Al From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joeSent: Sat 7/23/2005 11:02 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job "At will" is very standard in the industry, especially for contract work. Ihave had several jobs that were set up that way and in each I was theremultiple years without an issue. It allows the company to dump if you if youreally really suck or if you just don't "fit in".As for financial work. Expect a lot of focus on rules, regulations, andauditing. One of my previous positions was
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Thanks for all your replies. This really helps. As I told Al offlist, I'm gonna start asking you guys for relationship advice. Also as Al pointed out,I'm most def a generalist. I'm the only engineer at my current job with 400 users. I do the DNS(Win and BIND) as well as the routers/switches,firewall,AV,DR,wan links,Blackberry server!on top of AD/Exchange. Pretty much everything but help desk. I'm a jack of all trades and master of none. My fear is that I hope I'm up to the AD/Exchange. In my current ebvoirment I never had to worry about unattended installs or RIS or security in a real specific way or object attributes and under the hood replications,etc. While I know a lot of this stuff in theory, thanks to books like Inside AD,2nd ed and Robbie Allen's cookbokks and screwing around at home(and sometimes with the live network:) ) We all know that's a far cry from really knowing it. I just hope I'm up to it. Thanks -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT Registry modification via commandline
Thanks Unfortunately I am required to change what merge means for security reasons. I don't make the rules. Just find better ways to comply. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Adner Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:30 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT Registry modification via commandline The syntax below worked for me. Note the /ve switch instead of /v. Add /f to the end if you don't want to be prompted to overwrite the value. REG ADD HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\regfile\shell\open\command /ve /t reg_sz /d %systemroot%\System32\Notepad.exe %1 However, if you're just trying to make the default behavior to EDIT instead of MERGE a .REG file when you double-click on it, the command line below is better. This changes the default instead of changing what merge means. REG ADD HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\regfile\shell /ve /t reg_sz /d edit -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cothern Jeff D. Team EITC Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 3:58 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT Registry modification via commandline I am attempting to make a modification of the regfile type in the registry via command line. I have read over the reg command. Reg add HKLM/Software/Classes/regfile/shell/open/command /V (Default) /d %systemroot%\System32\Notepad.exe %1 This works but nor really. I actually need it to modify the (default) value that is already there. I tried doing a delete first and then the add But then I end up with two (Default) values. Anyone have any clue how the default Value can be modified. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Tom, Make no mistake - you are experiencing many of the same 'fears' that I am. I have a BIG responsibility as I take on assignments here for Microsoft. The first question that I asked myself is Am I REALLY good enough? The first thing that I was told by my boss was You have some couple hundred to a few thousand folks to call on directly. If that's not good enough - I have a Company of 60,000 that are interested in your success. We aren't going to let you fail. Though that makes me FEEL better, it's still a lot to take in given that I was _THE_ source of knowledge and architecture at my last company. Now, I'm a minnow in a big pond. And, it's really OK. You may not directly have the resources that I have to call on, but WE are still going to be here for you. Good luck - now go get it! :O) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:40 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Thanks for all your replies. This really helps. As I told Al offlist, I'm gonna start asking you guys for relationship advice. Also as Al pointed out,I'm most def a generalist. I'm the only engineer at my current job with 400 users. I do the DNS(Win and BIND) as well as the routers/switches,firewall,AV,DR,wan links,Blackberry server!on top of AD/Exchange. Pretty much everything but help desk. I'm a jack of all trades and master of none. My fear is that I hope I'm up to the AD/Exchange. In my current ebvoirment I never had to worry about unattended installs or RIS or security in a real specific way or object attributes and under the hood replications,etc. While I know a lot of this stuff in theory, thanks to books like Inside AD,2nd ed and Robbie Allen's cookbokks and screwing around at home(and sometimes with the live network:) ) We all know that's a far cry from really knowing it. I just hope I'm up to it. Thanks -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Thank you Tom!!! It's good to see your open-ness...I wish more were as honest as that... That's good stuff Rick! Often people don't bring up these fears due to the misconception that it will make them seem weak. My opinion is quite the opposite. Being afraid isn't a bad thing at all in my mind and if I were to be completely honest I would say that I was quite nervous / scared when I started my position as an RRE (Rapid Response Engineer) here at Microsoftand I loved that fear because it makes me push myself to learn / grow. I don't mean to get all psychological / philosophical but fear is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, motivation in life. Fear of losing something you have or not getting something you want drives us to do some of the strangest things. This fear can drive you over the edge or you can rise to the occasion and try to learn from every situation. I choose the latter. Sure there are times when I think Am I worthy or similar fears that there's just too much to learn and not enough lifetime to learn it all in. Some of us try to pretend that we know everything and are never wrong technically and when I come across these people I'm usually chuckling inside because everyone has to know that they cannot possibly know everything and it's rather comical that this simple fact escapes notice by some of these guys / gals. There's always more to learn so just keep on trying and you will be just fine. I actually want to NEVER know everything because there's no point to being alive if I won't be learning from the people, things, situations that surround me. Please don't misunderstand me...I don't ever claim to have everything figured out. I'm on a constant quest for knowledge that I'm hoping will not end until the last breath leaves my body. One simple thing that I tell myself from time to time when faced with something that is extremely difficult or that stretches my technical skills: Do the best that you can do As long as you are always trying, you can never fail. Nobody can realistically expect you to do better than trying your best since that's just not possibleand if you're doing your best, then you have no excuses to make for yourself since you're giving everything an honest effort. Sometimes you will not succeed in your efforts. I can't tell you how many times some person or another on the Microsoft team or some mailing list has got me out of jams. That's why we're all here anyway, right. We're network administrators because we want to be there when people have a problem with their computer so we can figure it out. That's been a driving force since I was a child...just to figure it out. I love that stuff!! Integrity is another attribute that is often overlooked but could not be more important. Never say anything that you know is not true...bla...bla...bla...you know what I'm saying (Never, ever lie about anything...even non-technical stuff). So that's my $0.02 anyway. You know what they say about opinions...everyone has one and they all stink ;-) OK...enough of the non-technical, bleeding-heart stuff...GET THAT SERVER WORKING NOW!!! Have a great night / morning (depending on your time zone)!! Robert Williams, MCSE NT4/2K/2K3, Security+ Infrastructure Rapid Response Engineer Northeast Region Microsoft Corporation Global Solutions Support Center -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:06 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Tom, Make no mistake - you are experiencing many of the same 'fears' that I am. I have a BIG responsibility as I take on assignments here for Microsoft. The first question that I asked myself is Am I REALLY good enough? The first thing that I was told by my boss was You have some couple hundred to a few thousand folks to call on directly. If that's not good enough - I have a Company of 60,000 that are interested in your success. We aren't going to let you fail. Though that makes me FEEL better, it's still a lot to take in given that I was _THE_ source of knowledge and architecture at my last company. Now, I'm a minnow in a big pond. And, it's really OK. You may not directly have the resources that I have to call on, but WE are still going to be here for you. Good luck - now go get it! :O) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:40 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Thanks for all your replies. This really helps. As I told Al offlist, I'm gonna start asking you guys for relationship advice. Also as Al pointed out,I'm most def a generalist. I'm the only engineer at my current job with 400 users. I do the DNS(Win and BIND) as well as the routers/switches,firewall,AV,DR,wan links,Blackberry server!on top of AD/Exchange. Pretty much everything but help desk.
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
That's interesting...I think I got an e-mail from a recruiter about that position. :-) Good luck man!!! Robert Williams, MCSE NT4/2K/2K3, Security+ Infrastructure Rapid Response Engineer Northeast Region Microsoft Corporation Global Solutions Support Center -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a normal company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company handbook which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
P.S. I live in NYC as well...do you shoot pool?? Robert Williams, MCSE NT4/2K/2K3, Security+ Infrastructure Rapid Response Engineer Northeast Region Microsoft Corporation Global Solutions Support Center -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a normal company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company handbook which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Sorry to spam you man... Yes, most states have a right to hire law which MUST (by LAW) appear somewhere at the place of employment. They are just reminding you of this in your handbook. Also, the fact that it's a consulting firm I figure they would say that anyway so that if things aren't working out they can just say Thanks, bye!. Keep on trying and you'll be fine...never give up!!! Robert Williams, MCSE NT4/2K/2K3, Security+ Infrastructure Rapid Response Engineer Northeast Region Microsoft Corporation Global Solutions Support Center -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a normal company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company handbook which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
