Re: [AFMUG] Solar Array Voc

2018-11-28 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
6x450i=120W
4x450m=320W.

440W.
Round up to 10A@48VDC.

10A will drop 25V over that distance on 14GA wire, so.  Not doable with
your existing wire.   Even 10AWG is borderline.

You're either going to have to run multiple wires, or run AC power up to
the top.

I'd probably just put a din rail 10A 48DC power supply up at the top.   Or
something like a Meanwell HEP-480-48 which might be safer as far as 'bare
wire hazard' goes.


On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:51 AM Tyson Burris  wrote:

> Hey Forrest,
>
>
>
> Can I hijack this and get some questions answered?
>
> I would like to put four 450M’s on an existing site we have.
>
> 500 ft up with 14 Guage DC and fiber running up it to a NEMA.
>
> We currently push 48Volt supporting existing 450i gear that will stay up.
>
>
>
> My space at the top is limited. I will have to use your small Sync
> Injector PRO to power the new 450Ms.
>
> Can you recommend a power supply for the bottom to push DC up?
>
> I have some concerns with the current wire guage supporting the new load
> plus the six existing 450i units that are staying.
>
>
>
> Thoughts? Ideas?
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar Array Voc
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>
> Let me see if I can re-phrase my question:
>
>
>
> I'm redesigning a voltage input circuit for one of the sitemonitor
> products - this is for voltage metering, not for powering the device.   One
> of the common questions I get asked is 'can I monitor my solar array
> voltage'.  Currently the answer is usually 'probably not, unless you are
> certain the Voc is below 60V, and that one side of the array is already
> grounded to common (often isn't for mppt controllers)'.   I'd rather be
> able to say something like 'sure, as long as the Voc isn't over X volts',
> where X is high enough that it contains a reasonable subset of the arrays
> out there.   I don't think supporting 150V arrays is in the cards (and yes,
> I know the tristar MMPT goes up to 150V), since that starts getting in the
> range where clearances get hard to do on the circuit board.
>
>
>
> So I guess the question should be:   What voltage would be able to measure
> most of the array voltages out there?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>
> Morningstar makes one of the better charge controllers and the one that
> I like has ethernet access built in.   It takes up to 150 V from the
> arrays.They also have their new Mega Controller that will do up to
> 600 Volts I don't know of any WISPs that are using it.   We have sites
> that we have 2x Morningstars feeding our battery sets...
>
> Robert
>
> On 11/27/18 5:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> > Looking at determining the maximum reasonable voltage range for a new
> > product I'm working on.
> >
> > I'm wanting to include a reasonable input for measuring solar panel
> > voltage (a common request).   For those who are running solar arrays to
> > charge a DC site (not grid-connected), I'm wondering what type of array
> > voltages you're running.   I'd prefer the Voc figure since that is worst
> > case, but even the nameplate voltage (i.e. multiples of 12V) would be
> > useful since I can kinda infer the Voc from that.
> >
> > I suspect some of you are running rather high voltages (>100Voc) on your
> > arrays, not sure If I'm going to be able to measure that high, but would
> > like to get a feel for what the reality is.
> >
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[AFMUG] Optical SFPs

2018-11-28 Thread SmarterBroadband 
I am going to go fiber on my next tower.  Is anyone buying compatible SFPs
from fs.com or fluxlight.com for any of the following?

 

Cambium 450M

Telrad Compact 1000

Ceragon IP-20C

Mikrotik

 

If yes, what make and part numbers?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

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Re: [AFMUG] Solar Array Voc

2018-11-28 Thread chuck 
As I recall, the angle of the modules affects the maximum current you can get, 
but Voc zooms right up to max with any significant amount of light from any 
angle.  

From: Jesse DuPont 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 8:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar Array Voc

Whem I'm using an MPPT, I generally wire the array for 48V nominal. The Max 
I've measured is 87.6 volts (4x12V panel in series). Another site where I've 
got 2x24V panels in series, the max I've measured is 79.98v, although in the 
latter example, the panels are not angled optimally.


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Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
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On 11/27/18 10:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

  Let me see if I can re-phrase my question: 

  I'm redesigning a voltage input circuit for one of the sitemonitor products - 
this is for voltage metering, not for powering the device.   One of the common 
questions I get asked is 'can I monitor my solar array voltage'.  Currently the 
answer is usually 'probably not, unless you are certain the Voc is below 60V, 
and that one side of the array is already grounded to common (often isn't for 
mppt controllers)'.   I'd rather be able to say something like 'sure, as long 
as the Voc isn't over X volts', where X is high enough that it contains a 
reasonable subset of the arrays out there.   I don't think supporting 150V 
arrays is in the cards (and yes, I know the tristar MMPT goes up to 150V), 
since that starts getting in the range where clearances get hard to do on the 
circuit board.

  So I guess the question should be:   What voltage would be able to measure 
most of the array voltages out there?

  On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:07 PM Robert  wrote:

Morningstar makes one of the better charge controllers and the one that 
I like has ethernet access built in.   It takes up to 150 V from the 
arrays.They also have their new Mega Controller that will do up to 
600 Volts I don't know of any WISPs that are using it.   We have sites 
that we have 2x Morningstars feeding our battery sets...

Robert

On 11/27/18 5:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> Looking at determining the maximum reasonable voltage range for a new 
> product I'm working on.
> 
> I'm wanting to include a reasonable input for measuring solar panel 
> voltage (a common request).   For those who are running solar arrays to 
> charge a DC site (not grid-connected), I'm wondering what type of array 
> voltages you're running.   I'd prefer the Voc figure since that is worst 
> case, but even the nameplate voltage (i.e. multiples of 12V) would be 
> useful since I can kinda infer the Voc from that.
> 
> I suspect some of you are running rather high voltages (>100Voc) on your 
> arrays, not sure If I'm going to be able to measure that high, but would 
> like to get a feel for what the reality is.
> 
> -- 
> *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com  | 
> http://www.packetflux.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] Solar Array Voc

2018-11-28 Thread chuck 
I used to manufacture scada systems back in 1990.  I used modules for 
everything.
https://www.analog.com/en/products/landing-pages/001/7b/7b-series-overview.html
Sure made it easy to answer “yes, we can do that”.  There were the analog in 
and out modules and much cheaper digital modules.

Nice little sockets that you pressed into plated holes and soldered into the 
PCB along with a PEM nut for securing the module.  Was a nice product back in 
the day.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar Array Voc

A voltage divider is always an option. It just requires knowing the conversion 
for the particular site.



bp


On 11/27/2018 9:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

  Let me see if I can re-phrase my question: 

  I'm redesigning a voltage input circuit for one of the sitemonitor products - 
this is for voltage metering, not for powering the device.   One of the common 
questions I get asked is 'can I monitor my solar array voltage'.  Currently the 
answer is usually 'probably not, unless you are certain the Voc is below 60V, 
and that one side of the array is already grounded to common (often isn't for 
mppt controllers)'.   I'd rather be able to say something like 'sure, as long 
as the Voc isn't over X volts', where X is high enough that it contains a 
reasonable subset of the arrays out there.   I don't think supporting 150V 
arrays is in the cards (and yes, I know the tristar MMPT goes up to 150V), 
since that starts getting in the range where clearances get hard to do on the 
circuit board.

  So I guess the question should be:   What voltage would be able to measure 
most of the array voltages out there?

  On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:07 PM Robert  wrote:

Morningstar makes one of the better charge controllers and the one that 
I like has ethernet access built in.   It takes up to 150 V from the 
arrays.They also have their new Mega Controller that will do up to 
600 Volts I don't know of any WISPs that are using it.   We have sites 
that we have 2x Morningstars feeding our battery sets...

Robert

On 11/27/18 5:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> Looking at determining the maximum reasonable voltage range for a new 
> product I'm working on.
> 
> I'm wanting to include a reasonable input for measuring solar panel 
> voltage (a common request).   For those who are running solar arrays to 
> charge a DC site (not grid-connected), I'm wondering what type of array 
> voltages you're running.   I'd prefer the Voc figure since that is worst 
> case, but even the nameplate voltage (i.e. multiples of 12V) would be 
> useful since I can kinda infer the Voc from that.
> 
> I suspect some of you are running rather high voltages (>100Voc) on your 
> arrays, not sure If I'm going to be able to measure that high, but would 
> like to get a feel for what the reality is.
> 
> -- 
> *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com  | 
> http://www.packetflux.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] Solar Array Voc

2018-11-28 Thread Jesse DuPont 

  
  
Whem I'm using an MPPT, I generally wire the array for 48V nominal.
The Max I've measured is 87.6 volts (4x12V panel in series). Another
site where I've got 2x24V panels in series, the max I've measured is
79.98v, although in the latter example, the panels are not angled
optimally.


  
  
  
  
  
  
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On 11/27/18 10:28 PM, Forrest Christian
  (List Account) wrote:


  
  Let me see if I can re-phrase my question:


I'm redesigning a voltage input circuit for one of the
  sitemonitor products - this is for voltage metering, not for
  powering the device.   One of the common questions I get asked
  is 'can I monitor my solar array voltage'.  Currently the
  answer is usually 'probably not, unless you are certain the
  Voc is below 60V, and that one side of the array is already
  grounded to common (often isn't for mppt controllers)'.   I'd
  rather be able to say something like 'sure, as long as the Voc
  isn't over X volts', where X is high enough that it contains a
  reasonable subset of the arrays out there.   I don't think
  supporting 150V arrays is in the cards (and yes, I know the
  tristar MMPT goes up to 150V), since that starts getting in
  the range where clearances get hard to do on the circuit
  board.


So I guess the question should be:   What voltage would be
  able to measure most of the array voltages out there?
  
  
  
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:07 PM Robert 
  wrote:

Morningstar
  makes one of the better charge controllers and the one that 
  I like has ethernet access built in.   It takes up to 150 V
  from the 
  arrays.    They also have their new Mega Controller that will
  do up to 
  600 Volts I don't know of any WISPs that are using it.   We
  have sites 
  that we have 2x Morningstars feeding our battery sets...
  
  Robert
  
  On 11/27/18 5:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
  > Looking at determining the maximum reasonable voltage
  range for a new 
  > product I'm working on.
  > 
  > I'm wanting to include a reasonable input for measuring
  solar panel 
  > voltage (a common request).   For those who are running
  solar arrays to 
  > charge a DC site (not grid-connected), I'm wondering what
  type of array 
  > voltages you're running.   I'd prefer the Voc figure
  since that is worst 
  > case, but even the nameplate voltage (i.e. multiples of
  12V) would be 
  > useful since I can kinda infer the Voc from that.
  > 
  > I suspect some of you are running rather high voltages
  (>100Voc) on your 
  > arrays, not sure If I'm going to be able to measure that
  high, but would 
  > like to get a feel for what the reality is.
  > 
  > -- 
  > *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies,
  Inc./
  > Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
  Helena, MT 59602
  > forre...@imach.com forre...@imach.com> | 
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Re: [AFMUG] Solar Array Voc

2018-11-28 Thread Tyson Burris 
Hey Forrest,

Can I hijack this and get some questions answered?
I would like to put four 450M’s on an existing site we have.
500 ft up with 14 Guage DC and fiber running up it to a NEMA.
We currently push 48Volt supporting existing 450i gear that will stay up.

My space at the top is limited. I will have to use your small Sync Injector PRO 
to power the new 450Ms.
Can you recommend a power supply for the bottom to push DC up?
I have some concerns with the current wire guage supporting the new load plus 
the six existing 450i units that are staying.

Thoughts? Ideas?

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar Array Voc

Let me see if I can re-phrase my question:

I'm redesigning a voltage input circuit for one of the sitemonitor products - 
this is for voltage metering, not for powering the device.   One of the common 
questions I get asked is 'can I monitor my solar array voltage'.  Currently the 
answer is usually 'probably not, unless you are certain the Voc is below 60V, 
and that one side of the array is already grounded to common (often isn't for 
mppt controllers)'.   I'd rather be able to say something like 'sure, as long 
as the Voc isn't over X volts', where X is high enough that it contains a 
reasonable subset of the arrays out there.   I don't think supporting 150V 
arrays is in the cards (and yes, I know the tristar MMPT goes up to 150V), 
since that starts getting in the range where clearances get hard to do on the 
circuit board.

So I guess the question should be:   What voltage would be able to measure most 
of the array voltages out there?

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:07 PM Robert 
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
Morningstar makes one of the better charge controllers and the one that
I like has ethernet access built in.   It takes up to 150 V from the
arrays.They also have their new Mega Controller that will do up to
600 Volts I don't know of any WISPs that are using it.   We have sites
that we have 2x Morningstars feeding our battery sets...

Robert

On 11/27/18 5:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> Looking at determining the maximum reasonable voltage range for a new
> product I'm working on.
>
> I'm wanting to include a reasonable input for measuring solar panel
> voltage (a common request).   For those who are running solar arrays to
> charge a DC site (not grid-connected), I'm wondering what type of array
> voltages you're running.   I'd prefer the Voc figure since that is worst
> case, but even the nameplate voltage (i.e. multiples of 12V) would be
> useful since I can kinda infer the Voc from that.
>
> I suspect some of you are running rather high voltages (>100Voc) on your
> arrays, not sure If I'm going to be able to measure that high, but would
> like to get a feel for what the reality is.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com 
> > |
> http://www.packetflux.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] Solar Array Voc

2018-11-28 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
A voltage divider is always an option. It just requires knowing
  the conversion for the particular site.


bp



On 11/27/2018 9:28 PM, Forrest
  Christian (List Account) wrote:


  
  Let me see if I can re-phrase my question:


I'm redesigning a voltage input circuit for one of the
  sitemonitor products - this is for voltage metering, not for
  powering the device.   One of the common questions I get asked
  is 'can I monitor my solar array voltage'.  Currently the
  answer is usually 'probably not, unless you are certain the
  Voc is below 60V, and that one side of the array is already
  grounded to common (often isn't for mppt controllers)'.   I'd
  rather be able to say something like 'sure, as long as the Voc
  isn't over X volts', where X is high enough that it contains a
  reasonable subset of the arrays out there.   I don't think
  supporting 150V arrays is in the cards (and yes, I know the
  tristar MMPT goes up to 150V), since that starts getting in
  the range where clearances get hard to do on the circuit
  board.


So I guess the question should be:   What voltage would be
  able to measure most of the array voltages out there?
  
  
  
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:07 PM Robert 
  wrote:

Morningstar
  makes one of the better charge controllers and the one that 
  I like has ethernet access built in.   It takes up to 150 V
  from the 
  arrays.    They also have their new Mega Controller that will
  do up to 
  600 Volts I don't know of any WISPs that are using it.   We
  have sites 
  that we have 2x Morningstars feeding our battery sets...
  
  Robert
  
  On 11/27/18 5:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
  > Looking at determining the maximum reasonable voltage
  range for a new 
  > product I'm working on.
  > 
  > I'm wanting to include a reasonable input for measuring
  solar panel 
  > voltage (a common request).   For those who are running
  solar arrays to 
  > charge a DC site (not grid-connected), I'm wondering what
  type of array 
  > voltages you're running.   I'd prefer the Voc figure
  since that is worst 
  > case, but even the nameplate voltage (i.e. multiples of
  12V) would be 
  > useful since I can kinda infer the Voc from that.
  > 
  > I suspect some of you are running rather high voltages
  (>100Voc) on your 
  > arrays, not sure If I'm going to be able to measure that
  high, but would 
  > like to get a feel for what the reality is.
  > 
  > -- 
  > *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies,
  Inc./
  > Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
  Helena, MT 59602
  > forre...@imach.com forre...@imach.com> | 
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Re: [AFMUG] Solar Array Voc

2018-11-28 Thread Chuck McCown 
Sockets for signal input conditioner modules. Then you can always say yes.

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> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Let me see if I can re-phrase my question:
> 
> I'm redesigning a voltage input circuit for one of the sitemonitor products - 
> this is for voltage metering, not for powering the device.   One of the 
> common questions I get asked is 'can I monitor my solar array voltage'.  
> Currently the answer is usually 'probably not, unless you are certain the Voc 
> is below 60V, and that one side of the array is already grounded to common 
> (often isn't for mppt controllers)'.   I'd rather be able to say something 
> like 'sure, as long as the Voc isn't over X volts', where X is high enough 
> that it contains a reasonable subset of the arrays out there.   I don't think 
> supporting 150V arrays is in the cards (and yes, I know the tristar MMPT goes 
> up to 150V), since that starts getting in the range where clearances get hard 
> to do on the circuit board.
> 
> So I guess the question should be:   What voltage would be able to measure 
> most of the array voltages out there?
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>> Morningstar makes one of the better charge controllers and the one that 
>> I like has ethernet access built in.   It takes up to 150 V from the 
>> arrays.They also have their new Mega Controller that will do up to 
>> 600 Volts I don't know of any WISPs that are using it.   We have sites 
>> that we have 2x Morningstars feeding our battery sets...
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On 11/27/18 5:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>> > Looking at determining the maximum reasonable voltage range for a new 
>> > product I'm working on.
>> > 
>> > I'm wanting to include a reasonable input for measuring solar panel 
>> > voltage (a common request).   For those who are running solar arrays to 
>> > charge a DC site (not grid-connected), I'm wondering what type of array 
>> > voltages you're running.   I'd prefer the Voc figure since that is worst 
>> > case, but even the nameplate voltage (i.e. multiples of 12V) would be 
>> > useful since I can kinda infer the Voc from that.
>> > 
>> > I suspect some of you are running rather high voltages (>100Voc) on your 
>> > arrays, not sure If I'm going to be able to measure that high, but would 
>> > like to get a feel for what the reality is.
>> > 
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