Re: [AFMUG] Lube for Backhaul O-rings?

[Carl Peterson]

I use chapstick. 

> On Feb 11, 2019, at 7:45 PM, Charles Raber  wrote:
> 
> Use plumbers’ grease or keg lube It’s cheap and meant for rubber, plastic and 
> metal parts. Petroleum based products will cause issues with plastic/rubber 
> over time. I suspect dielectric grease would still be cheaper.
>  
> Charles Raber
> Network Administrator
> Triad Wireless 
> 
> 4226 South 37th Street Phoenix, AZ 85040
> Office (602)426-0542x108
> Email:cra...@triadwireless.net
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:19 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lube for Backhaul O-rings?
>  
> Vaseline is what i use on my pool 
>  
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 3:36 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> Yeah. That was probably my brain aneurysm acting up. Probably conflated WD40 
> and DC4...
>  
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>  
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 12:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> I think you mean DC4 which is dielectric grease.  The chemical composition is 
> probably similar to DC111 but it isn’t as stiff.  DC111 is basically a food 
> grade lubricant for rubber valve rings.  I suspect that plumbers grease that 
> you buy at a hardware store is similar stuff.  DC111 probably has silica 
> added to make it thicker.
>  
> If you like the single use packets instead of 5 oz tubes, I think these are 
> probably the same thing:
>  
> https://pilotshq.com/dow-corning-molykote-111-oringvalve-lubricant-6gm-dc111-6gm-p-18024.html
>  
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 12:39 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lube for Backhaul O-rings?
>  
> I always used DC-40. I bought it at the airplane shop.
> 
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>  
>  
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:12 AM Jeremy  wrote:
> Do you lube the O rings on your licensed antennas?  I have seen some where 
> they didn't and the O ring cracks apart, potentially causing water ingress.  
>  
> Most of the big names include a small pack with the radio or dish.  I am 
> struggling to find the exact product.  I have heard people say that you can 
> just use Vaseline, but the Internet says the petroleum will eat the rubber o 
> ring within about a year.  I see dielectric grease also being reported as 
> being used, but it will supposedly also melt the rubber.  
>  
> Most are recommending Silicone Grease.  The only silicone grease that I can 
> find locally is "100% pure Silicone Grease" that is "Spark Plug Boot Grease". 
>  I figure that spark plugs boots are also rubber so this is probably the 
> stuff, but it is also listed as being dielectric, and it contains 
> polydimethylsiloxane whatever that is.
>  
> Does anyone have any recommendations for what I should use to lube the 
> O-Rings on my licensed backhauls when they do not include a tube of whatever 
> they usually include??  Anyone have any stories about things that did not 
> work out?
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Re: [AFMUG] Lube for Backhaul O-rings?

[Charles Raber]

Use plumbers’ grease or keg lube It’s cheap and meant for rubber, plastic and 
metal parts. Petroleum based products will cause issues with plastic/rubber 
over time. I suspect dielectric grease would still be cheaper.

Charles Raber
Network Administrator
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lube for Backhaul O-rings?

Vaseline is what i use on my pool

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 3:36 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah. That was probably my brain aneurysm acting up. Probably conflated WD40 
and DC4...

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On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 12:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I think you mean DC4 which is dielectric grease.  The chemical composition is 
probably similar to DC111 but it isn’t as stiff.  DC111 is basically a food 
grade lubricant for rubber valve rings.  I suspect that plumbers grease that 
you buy at a hardware store is similar stuff.  DC111 probably has silica added 
to make it thicker.

If you like the single use packets instead of 5 oz tubes, I think these are 
probably the same thing:

https://pilotshq.com/dow-corning-molykote-111-oringvalve-lubricant-6gm-dc111-6gm-p-18024.html



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 12:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lube for Backhaul O-rings?

I always used DC-40. I bought it at the airplane shop.

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On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:12 AM Jeremy 
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Do you lube the O rings on your licensed antennas?  I have seen some where they 
didn't and the O ring cracks apart, potentially causing water ingress.

Most of the big names include a small pack with the radio or dish.  I am 
struggling to find the exact product.  I have heard people say that you can 
just use Vaseline, but the Internet says the petroleum will eat the rubber o 
ring within about a year.  I see dielectric grease also being reported as being 
used, but it will supposedly also melt the rubber.

Most are recommending Silicone Grease.  The only silicone grease that I can 
find locally is "100% pure Silicone Grease" that is "Spark Plug Boot Grease".  
I figure that spark plugs boots are also rubber so this is probably the stuff, 
but it is also listed as being dielectric, and it contains 
polydimethylsiloxane whatever that is.

Does anyone have any recommendations for what I should use to lube the O-Rings 
on my licensed backhauls when they do not include a tube of whatever they 
usually include??  Anyone have any stories about things that did not work out?
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[AFMUG] Procera

[SmarterBroadband]

Anyone doing shaping with Procera boxes?

 

We are new to Procera and looking for ideas, knowledge (help) with how we
can shape traffic to improve network performance and customer perception.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

[Carlos Alcantar]

i'd also add the spec of your machine as well if your laptop is plugged into 
power can cause fluctuation of test results.  CPUs drop into power save mode.




Carlos Alcantar

Race Communications / Race Team Member

Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / 
http://www.race.com


From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:11 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?


The server isn’t really the issue here.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?



That what most of us do, put in a nearby speedtest.net server and host it on 
net.



Anything outside of our own can be unreliable, but we sometimes point customers 
to ‘better’ speedtest.net servers relative to our network as secondary.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 8:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?



But your customers are likely to find speedtest if they just randomly browse 
for it.  You can put in a speedtest server so at least you get the best score 
possible.



From: Tim Reichhart

Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 6:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?



quit using speedtest.net or any other speed test like fast.com and use 
nperf.com or openspeedtest.com or host you own.









-Original Message-
From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: 02/10/19 09:10
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?


OK, as much as I hate installing apps, I just tried the Windows app and am 
seeing around 3% higher download speed and 25% higher upload speed using the 
app.  I am at home now on an AT connection, will have to try on my network.  
This came up because we have been evaluating Preseem and while I was not 
surprised we had to set the DL rate a couple % high to get speedtests to yield 
the advertised rate, I was concerned when I saw 1.4M UL results on a 2M speed 
tier, that's a big difference, enough for customers to feel they're being 
cheated.  But that was in Edge, and when I tried it with Chrome, it was 
something like 1.9M.  I'll have to try it with the app.



I know on mobile devices like phones, most people are app crazy and install 
apps for everything, so typically they are using the speedtest.net iOS or 
Android app.  I just cringe at the thought of dozens or hundreds of apps on my 
phone, makes it easier for social media apps to spy on you and grab data they 
shouldn't have access to, plus I keep reading about malicious apps making it 
into the Apple and Google stores.  Just saw one today about apps that steal 
your cryptocurrency wallet.





From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 12:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?



Yes, but generally I see the best/normal speeds using the Speedtest app on Win 
10.

Sometimes Chrome is faster, sometimes slower than Edge.



Same with Apple, the app is more 'normal'speeds than using safari.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 1:39 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?



Has anyone noticed different speedtest.net results depending on what browser 
you use?  Specifically I am seeing upstream speeds significantly lower with 
Microsoft Edge than with Google Chrome



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Re: [AFMUG] Lube for Backhaul O-rings?

[Steve Jones]

Vaseline is what i use on my pool

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 3:36 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Yeah. That was probably my brain aneurysm acting up. Probably conflated
> WD40 and DC4...
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 12:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I think you mean DC4 which is dielectric grease.  The chemical
>> composition is probably similar to DC111 but it isn’t as stiff.  DC111 is
>> basically a food grade lubricant for rubber valve rings.  I suspect that
>> plumbers grease that you buy at a hardware store is similar stuff.  DC111
>> probably has silica added to make it thicker.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you like the single use packets instead of 5 oz tubes, I think these
>> are probably the same thing:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://pilotshq.com/dow-corning-molykote-111-oringvalve-lubricant-6gm-dc111-6gm-p-18024.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 10, 2019 12:39 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Lube for Backhaul O-rings?
>>
>>
>>
>> I always used DC-40. I bought it at the airplane shop.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>>
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 10:12 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> Do you lube the O rings on your licensed antennas?  I have seen some
>> where they didn't and the O ring cracks apart, potentially causing water
>> ingress.
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of the big names include a small pack with the radio or dish.  I am
>> struggling to find the exact product.  I have heard people say that you can
>> just use Vaseline, but the Internet says the petroleum will eat the rubber
>> o ring within about a year.  I see dielectric grease also being reported as
>> being used, but it will supposedly also melt the rubber.
>>
>>
>>
>> Most are recommending Silicone Grease.  The only silicone grease that I
>> can find locally is "100% pure Silicone Grease" that is "Spark Plug Boot
>> Grease".  I figure that spark plugs boots are also rubber so this is
>> probably the stuff, but it is also listed as being dielectric, and it
>> contains polydimethylsiloxane whatever that is.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for what I should use to lube the
>> O-Rings on my licensed backhauls when they do not include a tube of
>> whatever they usually include??  Anyone have any stories about things that
>> did not work out?
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Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

[Ken Hohhof]

The server isn’t really the issue here.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

 

That what most of us do, put in a nearby speedtest.net server and host it on 
net.

 

Anything outside of our own can be unreliable, but we sometimes point customers 
to ‘better’ speedtest.net servers relative to our network as secondary.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 8:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

 

But your customers are likely to find speedtest if they just randomly browse 
for it.  You can put in a speedtest server so at least you get the best score 
possible.  

 

From: Tim Reichhart 

Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 6:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

 

quit using speedtest.net or any other speed test like fast.com and use 
nperf.com or openspeedtest.com or host you own.

 

 

 


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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: 02/10/19 09:10
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?



OK, as much as I hate installing apps, I just tried the Windows app and am 
seeing around 3% higher download speed and 25% higher upload speed using the 
app.  I am at home now on an AT connection, will have to try on my network.  
This came up because we have been evaluating Preseem and while I was not 
surprised we had to set the DL rate a couple % high to get speedtests to yield 
the advertised rate, I was concerned when I saw 1.4M UL results on a 2M speed 
tier, that's a big difference, enough for customers to feel they're being 
cheated.  But that was in Edge, and when I tried it with Chrome, it was 
something like 1.9M.  I'll have to try it with the app.

 

I know on mobile devices like phones, most people are app crazy and install 
apps for everything, so typically they are using the speedtest.net iOS or 
Android app.  I just cringe at the thought of dozens or hundreds of apps on my 
phone, makes it easier for social media apps to spy on you and grab data they 
shouldn't have access to, plus I keep reading about malicious apps making it 
into the Apple and Google stores.  Just saw one today about apps that steal 
your cryptocurrency wallet.

 

 

From: AF <  af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 12:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <  af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

 

Yes, but generally I see the best/normal speeds using the Speedtest app on Win 
10.

Sometimes Chrome is faster, sometimes slower than Edge.

 

Same with Apple, the app is more 'normal'speeds than using safari.

 

From: AF <  af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 1:39 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <  
af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

 

Has anyone noticed different speedtest.net results depending on what browser 
you use?  Specifically I am seeing upstream speeds significantly lower with 
Microsoft Edge than with Google Chrome


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Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

[Sterling Jacobson]

That what most of us do, put in a nearby speedtest.net server and host it on 
net.

Anything outside of our own can be unreliable, but we sometimes point customers 
to ‘better’ speedtest.net servers relative to our network as secondary.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 8:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

But your customers are likely to find speedtest if they just randomly browse 
for it.  You can put in a speedtest server so at least you get the best score 
possible.

From: Tim Reichhart
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 6:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

quit using speedtest.net or any other speed test like fast.com and use 
nperf.com or openspeedtest.com or host you own.





-Original Message-
From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: 02/10/19 09:10
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?


OK, as much as I hate installing apps, I just tried the Windows app and am 
seeing around 3% higher download speed and 25% higher upload speed using the 
app.  I am at home now on an AT connection, will have to try on my network.  
This came up because we have been evaluating Preseem and while I was not 
surprised we had to set the DL rate a couple % high to get speedtests to yield 
the advertised rate, I was concerned when I saw 1.4M UL results on a 2M speed 
tier, that's a big difference, enough for customers to feel they're being 
cheated.  But that was in Edge, and when I tried it with Chrome, it was 
something like 1.9M.  I'll have to try it with the app.

I know on mobile devices like phones, most people are app crazy and install 
apps for everything, so typically they are using the speedtest.net iOS or 
Android app.  I just cringe at the thought of dozens or hundreds of apps on my 
phone, makes it easier for social media apps to spy on you and grab data they 
shouldn't have access to, plus I keep reading about malicious apps making it 
into the Apple and Google stores.  Just saw one today about apps that steal 
your cryptocurrency wallet.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 12:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

Yes, but generally I see the best/normal speeds using the Speedtest app on Win 
10.
Sometimes Chrome is faster, sometimes slower than Edge.

Same with Apple, the app is more 'normal'speeds than using safari.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 1:39 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

Has anyone noticed different speedtest.net results depending on what browser 
you use?  Specifically I am seeing upstream speeds significantly lower with 
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Re: [AFMUG] Are NN licenses still selling despite CBRS coming?

[Chuck Hogg]

Less than $5k range.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:37 AM Christopher Gray 
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> Is there still value in selling an NN license? What sort of prices these
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Re: [AFMUG] Are NN licenses still selling despite CBRS coming?

[Ken Hohhof]

Steve Coran sent an email about somebody getting a $20K fine for not 
registering a 3650 location, so maybe that will stir some interest if someone 
has unregistered locations and no license.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:36 AM
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Subject: [AFMUG] Are NN licenses still selling despite CBRS coming?

 

Is there still value in selling an NN license? What sort of prices these days?

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Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser?

[Mike Hammett]

In Ken's case, it was a client issue. 

However, let's not forget that low speedtest.net scores may actually indicate a 
problem with your network or your connectivity outside. Don't just dismiss them 
because you don't like the result or you have another test that comes out good. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




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From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 2:39:15 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] speedtest.net result depends on browser? 



Has anyone noticed different speedtest.net results depending on what browser 
you use? Specifically I am seeing upstream speeds significantly lower with 
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[AFMUG] Are NN licenses still selling despite CBRS coming?

[Christopher Gray]

Is there still value in selling an NN license? What sort of prices these
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