Re: [AFMUG] Replacement Telrad CPE9000 and 12000 POE

[Colin Stanners]

Adam, can you provide a photo of the label from these CPEs?

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 1:46 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Has anyone found a source of replacement POE’s for Telrad CPE9000 and
> 12000.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

[Ryan Ray]

Offer an alternative. We offer Calix 844 and 804's as required for the
house. Let's us keep close control on frequencies used in the house and has
reduced calls to almost nothing for "router issues"


On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 2:03 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> wasnt it a big deal to tamper with a phone too?
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 3:39 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:
>
>> No because you didn't own the phone the phone company did and they sent
>> someone out to install it and charged you monthly for it...
>> On 12/13/2019 3:25 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>> I've only run into the google WIFI system at a customer once.  Luckily it
>> wasn't interfering with the feed.  Whenever a customer asks, I tell them to
>> get any system except for the google one.
>>
>> But the guy at the store told them that they just needed to put a puck in
>> their steel outbuilding 1000' away from the house, and the WIFI would work
>> just fine out there.  When the telephone was first invented, were there
>> these same problems?  'I nailed the crank phone on the wall of the outhouse
>> out back, but Martha can only hear me in the kitchen when I yell into it,
>> and then only when the kitchen window is open.'
>>
>> On 12/13/2019 2:32 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone figured out a solution to interference with Google WiFi at
>> customers fed via 5 GHz?
>>
>>
>>
>> We have found it to be an unsolvable problem due to:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1)  Google does not let you set the frequencies
>>
>> 2)  Google does not let you set the channel width (and therefore
>> presumably uses 80 MHz channels)
>>
>> 3)  The mesh system presumably uses additional spectrum for the backhaul
>> between pucks
>>
>> 4)  Most customers put in 3 of them, virtually guaranteeing at least 1 of
>> them will be right near the dish to the tower
>>
>> 5)  Many customers also figure they can put them in outbuildings to get
>> service to their shop, barn, etc. (one customer today intended to put one
>> in his wife’s “she-shed”)
>>
>>
>>
>> With any other router we just set the channel to a U-NII-1 or DFS
>> channel.  We have a fair amount of 3.65 GHz in our network and then it
>> isn’t a problem, but the majority is still 5 GHz.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

[Trey Scarborough]

No because you didn't own the phone the phone company did and they sent 
someone out to install it and charged you monthly for it...


On 12/13/2019 3:25 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I've only run into the google WIFI system at a customer once. Luckily 
it wasn't interfering with the feed.  Whenever a customer asks, I tell 
them to get any system except for the google one.


But the guy at the store told them that they just needed to put a puck 
in their steel outbuilding 1000' away from the house, and the WIFI 
would work just fine out there.  When the telephone was first 
invented, were there these same problems?  'I nailed the crank phone 
on the wall of the outhouse out back, but Martha can only hear me in 
the kitchen when I yell into it, and then only when the kitchen window 
is open.'


On 12/13/2019 2:32 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Has anyone figured out a solution to interference with Google WiFi at 
customers fed via 5 GHz?


We have found it to be an unsolvable problem due to:

1)  Google does not let you set the frequencies

2)  Google does not let you set the channel width (and therefore 
presumably uses 80 MHz channels)


3)  The mesh system presumably uses additional spectrum for the 
backhaul between pucks


4)  Most customers put in 3 of them, virtually guaranteeing at least 
1 of them will be right near the dish to the tower


5)  Many customers also figure they can put them in outbuildings to 
get service to their shop, barn, etc. (one customer today intended to 
put one in his wife’s “she-shed”)


With any other router we just set the channel to a U-NII-1 or DFS 
channel.  We have a fair amount of 3.65 GHz in our network and then 
it isn’t a problem, but the majority is still 5 GHz.







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Re: [AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

[Nate Burke]

I've only run into the google WIFI system at a customer once. Luckily it 
wasn't interfering with the feed.  Whenever a customer asks, I tell them 
to get any system except for the google one.


But the guy at the store told them that they just needed to put a puck 
in their steel outbuilding 1000' away from the house, and the WIFI would 
work just fine out there.  When the telephone was first invented, were 
there these same problems?  'I nailed the crank phone on the wall of the 
outhouse out back, but Martha can only hear me in the kitchen when I 
yell into it, and then only when the kitchen window is open.'


On 12/13/2019 2:32 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Has anyone figured out a solution to interference with Google WiFi at 
customers fed via 5 GHz?


We have found it to be an unsolvable problem due to:

1)  Google does not let you set the frequencies

2)  Google does not let you set the channel width (and therefore 
presumably uses 80 MHz channels)


3)  The mesh system presumably uses additional spectrum for the 
backhaul between pucks


4)  Most customers put in 3 of them, virtually guaranteeing at least 1 
of them will be right near the dish to the tower


5)  Many customers also figure they can put them in outbuildings to 
get service to their shop, barn, etc. (one customer today intended to 
put one in his wife’s “she-shed”)


With any other router we just set the channel to a U-NII-1 or DFS 
channel.  We have a fair amount of 3.65 GHz in our network and then it 
isn’t a problem, but the majority is still 5 GHz.





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Re: [AFMUG] Replacement Telrad CPE9000 and 12000 POE

[TJ Trout]

Chuck makes a outdoor wall mount surge protector that can be used indoors
to inject any polarity on any pair then you just need to buy an inexpensive
AC to DC wall wart

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 11:46 AM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Has anyone found a source of replacement POE’s for Telrad CPE9000 and
> 12000.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
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[AFMUG] Google WiFi and 5 GHz interference

[Ken Hohhof]

Has anyone figured out a solution to interference with Google WiFi at
customers fed via 5 GHz?

 

We have found it to be an unsolvable problem due to:

 

1)  Google does not let you set the frequencies

2)  Google does not let you set the channel width (and therefore presumably
uses 80 MHz channels)

3)  The mesh system presumably uses additional spectrum for the backhaul
between pucks

4)  Most customers put in 3 of them, virtually guaranteeing at least 1 of
them will be right near the dish to the tower

5)  Many customers also figure they can put them in outbuildings to get
service to their shop, barn, etc. (one customer today intended to put one in
his wife's "she-shed")

 

With any other router we just set the channel to a U-NII-1 or DFS channel.
We have a fair amount of 3.65 GHz in our network and then it isn't a
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[AFMUG] Replacement Telrad CPE9000 and 12000 POE

[SmarterBroadband]

Has anyone found a source of replacement POE's for Telrad CPE9000 and 12000.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

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Re: [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I think the way I heard it is: "One is too many, and one hundred
  is not enough."


bp



On 12/13/2019 11:01 AM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  as a prior medical practitioner, i have to inform
you that 4 is not enough
  
  
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 1:00
  PM Jaime Solorza 
  wrote:


  Yesterday was 120 ft.  To be honest, my thighs
are a bit sore but at 64 years old, I will take it. Nothing
two aspirin and four Tecates can't cure. 
  
  
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 9:30
  AM Chuck McCown 
  wrote:


  As long as there is no ice I am ok. 
Probably could not make it to 100’ anymore.

Sent from my iPhone

  On Dec 13, 2019, at 8:52 AM,
Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

  


  
No you


  On Fri, Dec 13,
2019, 7:54 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:
  
  
you need to climb a tower thats
  tall enough that you can't see the ground when
  its foggy, lol


  On Thu, Dec
12, 2019 at 10:48 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:
  
  
Motorola E5


  On Thu,
Dec 12, 2019, 4:32 PM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  So glad you have a decent
phone now.
  

   
  
From: Jaime
Solorza 
Sent: Thursday,
  December 12, 2019 4:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group

Subject: [AFMUG]
  Nothing like climbing on a
  foggy morning
  

 
  
  
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  antenna from Rohn 45...



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Re: [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning

[Steve Jones]

as a prior medical practitioner, i have to inform you that 4 is not enough

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yesterday was 120 ft.  To be honest, my thighs are a bit sore but at 64
> years old, I will take it. Nothing two aspirin and four Tecates can't cure.
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 9:30 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> As long as there is no ice I am ok.  Probably could not make it to 100’
>> anymore.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> No you
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 7:54 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> you need to climb a tower thats tall enough that you can't see the
>>> ground when its foggy, lol
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:48 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Motorola E5

 On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 4:32 PM  wrote:

> So glad you have a decent phone now.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2019 4:09 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning
>
> Hired to remove Sector antenna from Rohn 45...
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Re: [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning

[Jaime Solorza]

Yesterday was 120 ft.  To be honest, my thighs are a bit sore but at 64
years old, I will take it. Nothing two aspirin and four Tecates can't cure.

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 9:30 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> As long as there is no ice I am ok.  Probably could not make it to 100’
> anymore.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> 
> No you
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 7:54 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> you need to climb a tower thats tall enough that you can't see the ground
>> when its foggy, lol
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:48 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Motorola E5
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 4:32 PM  wrote:
>>>
 So glad you have a decent phone now.

 *From:* Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2019 4:09 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning

 Hired to remove Sector antenna from Rohn 45...

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium auto contention slots in a FSK / 450i colocation situation.

[Ryan Ray]

I remember seeing a thread on the forums explaining more of this.

Maybe this helps

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/Auto-contention-with-cluster-of-AP-s/m-p/104698



On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 9:07 AM Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> Anyone running the new firmware on their 450 platform with auto contention
> slots enabled in a colocation situation with FSK?
>
>
>
> I have read through the limited info on the cambium site and it appears
> that it’s possible to do it but you still need to use the colocation
> calculator and make sure your timing is not stepping on each other.
>
>
>
> For example right now my 450i AP is set to
>
> Channel Bandwidth
>
> *7*
>
> Max Range (mi)
>
> *14*
>
> Dowlink Data
>
> *78%*
>
> Contention slots
>
> *8*
>
> Frame length (ms)
>
> *5*
>
>
>
> My FSK 900 is set to
>
> Channel Bandwidth
>
> *8*
>
> Max Range (mi)
>
> *14*
>
> Downlink Data
>
> *75%*
>
> Contention Slots
>
> *4*
>
> Frame length (ms)
>
> *5*
>
>
>
> This checks out as Okay.
>
>
>
> Would I then just turn on the auto contention slots but leave all this
> info the same and if so is it not going to run up past the amount of
> contention slots I specified anyway to keep from screwing up the timing? If
> so why bother with auto?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] Cambium auto contention slots in a FSK / 450i colocation situation.

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Anyone running the new firmware on their 450 platform with auto contention
slots enabled in a colocation situation with FSK?

 

I have read through the limited info on the cambium site and it appears that
it's possible to do it but you still need to use the colocation calculator
and make sure your timing is not stepping on each other.

 

For example right now my 450i AP is set to 


Channel Bandwidth

7


Max Range (mi)

14


Dowlink Data

78%


Contention slots

8


Frame length (ms)

5

 

My FSK 900 is set to 


Channel Bandwidth

8


Max Range (mi)

14


Downlink Data

75%


Contention Slots

4


Frame length (ms)

5

 

This checks out as Okay.

 

Would I then just turn on the auto contention slots but leave all this info
the same and if so is it not going to run up past the amount of contention
slots I specified anyway to keep from screwing up the timing? If so why
bother with auto?

 

 

Thanks 

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Re: [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning

[Josh Luthman]

It doesn't take much.  Maybe 200 or 300 feet?

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On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 10:52 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> No you
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 7:54 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> you need to climb a tower thats tall enough that you can't see the ground
>> when its foggy, lol
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:48 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Motorola E5
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 4:32 PM  wrote:
>>>
 So glad you have a decent phone now.

 *From:* Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2019 4:09 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning

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Re: [AFMUG] powercode and mikrotik BMUs

[Josh Luthman]

Same as Kurt.  Probes work wonderfully.  Customer radios, tower APs, power
monitors, all of it.

I talked to Ubnt about that at Vegas and a couple times since then.  Tony
responds to me and I feel like the devs ignore him just as much as us.

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On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 9:51 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> probes been working fine for us in Powercode, the only probe problem i
> have is AF5XHD's oid's are screwed up right now, but thats not a Powercode
> problem.
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 7:38 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I wish billing\oss systems would stop trying to be everything to
>> everybody.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
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>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 12, 2019 3:34:13 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] powercode and mikrotik BMUs
>>
>> Powercode has become quite a joke. Half our probes havent worked for
>> months and they dont even respond to the ticket. We had to spin up Librenms
>> just to get monitoring data
>>
>> Trying to integrate mikrotik BMUs and having issues, they have zero
>> legitimate documentation and when you ask whats supposed to be
>> happening they tell you to seek out a consultant and that the info may be
>> proprietary.
>>
>> Thats all bad enough, but i figure ill do some packet sniffing to find
>> out what the communication is between the billing server and the mikrotik,
>> maybe find out I misconfigured something, come to find out the nitwits are
>> sending out the authentication in PLAIN TEXT. They dont even have a
>> disclaimer when you add one of these. but christ, if youre operating an off
>> network BMU, your infrastructure credentials are getting tossed into the
>> ether like its nothing.
>>
>> I wish simon hadnt left
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Re: [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning

[Chuck McCown]

As long as there is no ice I am ok.  Probably could not make it to 100’ anymore.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> No you
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 7:54 AM Kurt Fankhauser  
>> wrote:
>> you need to climb a tower thats tall enough that you can't see the ground 
>> when its foggy, lol
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:48 PM Jaime Solorza  
>>> wrote:
>>> Motorola E5
>>> 
 On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 4:32 PM  wrote:
 So glad you have a decent phone now.
  
 From: Jaime Solorza
 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2019 4:09 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 Subject: [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning

[Jaime Solorza]

No you

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 7:54 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> you need to climb a tower thats tall enough that you can't see the ground
> when its foggy, lol
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:48 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Motorola E5
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 4:32 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> So glad you have a decent phone now.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2019 4:09 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning
>>>
>>> Hired to remove Sector antenna from Rohn 45...
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Re: [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning

[Kurt Fankhauser]

you need to climb a tower thats tall enough that you can't see the ground
when its foggy, lol

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:48 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Motorola E5
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 4:32 PM  wrote:
>
>> So glad you have a decent phone now.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2019 4:09 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Nothing like climbing on a foggy morning
>>
>> Hired to remove Sector antenna from Rohn 45...
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Re: [AFMUG] powercode and mikrotik BMUs

[Kurt Fankhauser]

probes been working fine for us in Powercode, the only probe problem i have
is AF5XHD's oid's are screwed up right now, but thats not a Powercode
problem.

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 7:38 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I wish billing\oss systems would stop trying to be everything to everybody.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
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> 
> The Brothers WISP 
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> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 12, 2019 3:34:13 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] powercode and mikrotik BMUs
>
> Powercode has become quite a joke. Half our probes havent worked for
> months and they dont even respond to the ticket. We had to spin up Librenms
> just to get monitoring data
>
> Trying to integrate mikrotik BMUs and having issues, they have zero
> legitimate documentation and when you ask whats supposed to be
> happening they tell you to seek out a consultant and that the info may be
> proprietary.
>
> Thats all bad enough, but i figure ill do some packet sniffing to find out
> what the communication is between the billing server and the mikrotik,
> maybe find out I misconfigured something, come to find out the nitwits are
> sending out the authentication in PLAIN TEXT. They dont even have a
> disclaimer when you add one of these. but christ, if youre operating an off
> network BMU, your infrastructure credentials are getting tossed into the
> ether like its nothing.
>
> I wish simon hadnt left
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Re: [AFMUG] powercode and mikrotik BMUs

[Mike Hammett]

I wish billing\oss systems would stop trying to be everything to everybody. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2019 3:34:13 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] powercode and mikrotik BMUs 


Powercode has become quite a joke. Half our probes havent worked for months and 
they dont even respond to the ticket. We had to spin up Librenms just to get 
monitoring data 


Trying to integrate mikrotik BMUs and having issues, they have zero legitimate 
documentation and when you ask whats supposed to be happening they tell you to 
seek out a consultant and that the info may be proprietary. 


Thats all bad enough, but i figure ill do some packet sniffing to find out what 
the communication is between the billing server and the mikrotik, maybe find 
out I misconfigured something, come to find out the nitwits are sending out the 
authentication in PLAIN TEXT. They dont even have a disclaimer when you add one 
of these. but christ, if youre operating an off network BMU, your 
infrastructure credentials are getting tossed into the ether like its nothing. 


I wish simon hadnt left 
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