Re: [AFMUG] Porn for Chuck

[Adam Moffett]

I was wondering why they used so many screws.  Are they worried about 
gaps forming between the cavities and the housing?


On 4/1/2020 11:11 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote:

Who want's to bet he ends up with "extra" screws when it goes back together?



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Re: [AFMUG] Eyeball Networks not Eyeball anymore

[Darin Steffl]

I don't believe it's an upload problem as much as it is overloaded servers
or cloud resources plus congested IX connections.

It's very hard to scale up these web meeting and Google learning platforms
when they're adding 100 to 1000x their typical load.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 9:36 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I have no evidence other than anecdotal right now, but it seems like
> many networks might have been built for eyeballs over the last couple
> years, and have big pipes to the CDN's, but are kinda falling apart now
> that there is more Office Video/VPN needing actual cross country
> connectivity.
>
> So far I've heard from 2 of my business Customers that are showing
> increased latency to their east/west coast Datacenters.  I've seen
> increased latency to some of our VoIP Endpoints that will come and go
> for hours at a time.  Seems to be spread across multiple providers, so
> I'm thinking that it's further upstream that there's a problem.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported/ar-BB122vvc

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 4:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

 

He also said he can consistently get 260% return on the stock market.   Wonder 
how that’s working out.

 

Mark





On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

matt said the world would be dead by now

 

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 6:44 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

Bahahaha. 


On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

And Matt was right all along...

 

 

On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started.  
It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not the 
flu? 

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous. 

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's going on 
and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the world. 

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to get a 
report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very long lag 
and we are currently sitting in it. 

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere? 

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 



You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the reports 
from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities outside of 
mainland China. 

Just stay away from bat soup. 


bp 
 

On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 



So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused China 
to: 

Send the president into hiding 
Build several emergency hospitals 
Lock down major cities 
Extend the CNY 
In some cases barricade people in their homes 
Daily fumigation of streets 
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies 
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine 
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information 
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums 

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone dealing 
in international trade. If asked how things are going they all respond with 
extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in Wuhan and things 
are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases. 

Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we don’t 
that they are willing to risk their economy? 

On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com 
 > wrote: 




This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is below 
2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the infectiousness 
is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is 
rated at 15). 

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal. 

Fear driven journalism. 


bp 
 

On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 



https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 the map 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
 > wrote: 

this is the Johns Hopkins map 
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have 
been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread 
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who 
had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in 
New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small 
jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
dirtiest on the planet. 
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will 
lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people. 

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player 
and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com%20%0b   %20mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com> wrote: 

I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has 
something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all 
their stuff is made in China? 

I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting 
to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this 
year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact 
their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it 
won’t.  It could also spread to other 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Nate Burke]

DO NOT USE THE UBNT FIBER CABLE  It is the most gawdawful stuff to work 
with.


There is no buffer tubing on the ends, so the super thin fiber is all 
that goes to the LC Connectors.
There is no strain relief where the outdoor jacket ends, the jacket is 
just cut open
There are no pulling eyes, so nothing to protect the fiber ends while 
installing/unspooling
The jacket itself is made out of some sort of solidified rubber cement, 
it is super sticky and won't pull past anything.



On 4/1/2020 11:37 AM, Roland Houin wrote:

the cable has lc duplex connectors each end
one end has a cable bung that screws directly into the 450/820 radio
the ones I got were single mode
no pictures at this time
Roland
> What all comes with the Cambium cable kit? Does not seem to list that
anywhere. What kind of connectors? Duplex or single fiber? SFP
modules included or needed? Pictures?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:25 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
>
> the cable seems ok.
> I gave up on anything other than cambium's pre built cable
> it comes with the gland required
> it is very difficult to terminate a fiber cable close enough to the 
jacket to

work in the typical gland.
> you could do it with a short piece of liquitite conduit by the radio.
>
> I the end I figured it wasn't worth the trouble.
>
> Roland
>
>
> > Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?
>
> https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable
>
> Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m?
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  
wrote:

> >
> > What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Nate Burke]

LC Duplex  It's just a glorified patch cable.

On 4/1/2020 4:16 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


How many strands are in one cable?

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 6:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

I've been using the Cabmium Fiber cables.  They're a little expensive, 
but they have worked well.  Outdoor jacket comes right to the LC 
Connectors.   Been using them with UBNT Edgepoints and EPMP3000 AP's


N82L139ASM 30m
N82L140ASM 50m
N82L141ASM 80m
N82L142ASM 100m
N82L143ASM 150m

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair
pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10
hybrid cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms

https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC
those beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8
stranded pairs up the tower for power.
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a
thing, let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths
you would want...

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for
connectors?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[SmarterBroadband]

How many strands are in one cable?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 6:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

 

I've been using the Cabmium Fiber cables.  They're a little expensive, but
they have worked well.  Outdoor jacket comes right to the LC Connectors.
Been using them with UBNT Edgepoints and EPMP3000 AP's

N82L139ASM 30m
N82L140ASM 50m
N82L141ASM 80m
N82L142ASM 100m
N82L143ASM 150m

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something
equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc
jacket or better for outdoor operation. 
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid cable
that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250' 
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated  
We also use Duracomms
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-serie
s-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this. 
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast
need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded
pairs up the tower for power. 
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff. 




On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated
cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber
count, connector type and lengths you would want... 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah, but it's not just connectors.  You'll have a tail of bare or tight 
buffered fiber coming out long enough to reach the splicer and that 
needs to be protected.  It's usually a couple feet long, but you could 
get it down to a matter of 6-10" if you have a clear work space.  You'll 
need to build that fiber back up with tubing and tape and heat shrink.  
I can and have done this, but it's not worth the time compared to just 
buying a completed cable.  I'd encourage you to do it a few times just 
so you know that you could if you had to, but I'd rather just buy.



On 4/1/2020 4:25 PM, Matt wrote:

Has anyone bought a fiber splicer that supports splice on connectors
and made up there own fiber runs like this?


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  wrote:

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?



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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[SmarterBroadband]

Just purchased some,  arrived yesterday, plan to install on a Licensed Link
install next week.

I will let you know how it goes.

Adam

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 7:58 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?

https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable

Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Mark Radabaugh]

He also said he can consistently get 260% return on the stock market.   Wonder 
how that’s working out.

Mark

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> matt said the world would be dead by now
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 6:44 PM Matt Hoppes 
>  > wrote:
> Bahahaha. 
> 
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> 
>> And Matt was right all along...
>>  
>> 
>> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started.  
>>> It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not 
>>> the flu? 
>>> 
>>> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
>>> before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous. 
>>> 
>>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
>>> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the 
>>> world. 
>>> 
>>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to 
>>> get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very 
>>> long lag and we are currently sitting in it. 
>>> 
>>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
>>> health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere? 
>>> 
>>> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 
 You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
 reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
 fatalities outside of mainland China. 
 
 Just stay away from bat soup. 
 
 
 bp 
  
 
 On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 
> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
> China to: 
> 
> Send the president into hiding 
> Build several emergency hospitals 
> Lock down major cities 
> Extend the CNY 
> In some cases barricade people in their homes 
> Daily fumigation of streets 
> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies 
> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine 
> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information 
> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums 
> 
> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained 
> in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in 
> cases. 
> 
> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we 
> don’t that they are willing to risk their economy? 
> 
> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince  
> mailto:part15...@gmail.com <>> wrote: 
> 
>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is 
>> below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the 
>> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
>> (measles by comparison is rated at 15). 
>> 
>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal. 
>> 
>> Fear driven journalism. 
>> 
>> 
>> bp 
>>  
>> 
>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 
>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  the map 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones >> <> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <>> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> this is the Johns Hopkins map 
>>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have 
>>> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread 
>>> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who 
>>> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in 
>>> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small 
>>> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
>>> dirtiest on the planet. 
>>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will 
>>> lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people. 
>>> 
>>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player 
>>> and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  
>>> mailto:af...@kwisp.com <>> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has 
>>> something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all 
>>> their stuff is made in China? 
>>> 
>>> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

I mean.. it's close... wait and see :P

On 3/31/20 7:57 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

matt said the world would be dead by now


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 6:44 PM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


Bahahaha.

On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
wrote:


And Matt was right all along...

On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only
just started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here
in the U.S maybe it's not the flu?

2019-nCoV has a*14 week incubation period*... meaning
spreading is happening before people even know it -- thus
making this particularly dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture
on what's going on and what's going to  be going on, but on
CN and elsewhere in the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and
about 7 days to get a report back on a positive/negative test
culture, so there is a very long lag and we are currently
sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2
fatalities because the health care systems are not yet
overwhelmed elsewhere?

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably
trust the reports from everywhere else. The fact is that
there have been 2 fatalities outside of mainland China.

Just stay away from bat soup.


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal
has caused China to:

Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken
into quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens
for anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how
things are going they all respond with extremely similar
answers about how everything is contained in Wuhan and
things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.

Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal
Virus” that we don’t that they are willing to risk their
economy?

On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com> wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the
fatality rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as
these things go). Second, the infectiousness is fairly low
as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by
comparison is rated at 15).

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all
that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
the map

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

    this is the Johns Hopkins map
    Pretty much all the prediction models of global
pandemic have
    been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It
hasnt spread
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with
people who
    had been infected in china. theyre offloading a
cruise ship in
    New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have
a small
    jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese
air is the
    dirtiest on the planet.
    I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks
ago, i will
    lick it when it gets here and then come breath on
people.

    UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS
LTE Player
    and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

    On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

    I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
    something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact
that all
    their stuff is made in China?

    I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs
are starting
    to stockpile equipment that might be in short
supply this
    year.  I know China will try not to let the virus
impact
  

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Matt]

Has anyone bought a fiber splicer that supports splice on connectors
and made up there own fiber runs like this?


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Roland Houin]

the cable has lc duplex connectors each end
one end has a cable bung that screws directly into the 450/820 radio
the ones I got were single mode
no pictures at this time
 
Roland
 
 
> What all comes with the Cambium cable kit? Does not seem to list thatanywhere. What kind of connectors? Duplex or single fiber? SFPmodules included or needed? Pictures?On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:25 AM Roland Houin  wrote:>> the cable seems ok.> I gave up on anything other than cambium's pre built cable> it comes with the gland required> it is very difficult to terminate a fiber cable close enough to the jacket towork in the typical gland.> you could do it with a short piece of liquitite conduit by the radio.>> I the end I figured it wasn't worth the trouble.>> Roland>>> > Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?>> 
https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable>> Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m?>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  wrote:> >> > What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?> >>> --> AF mailing list> AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com <>>> --> AF mailing list> AF@af.afmug.com> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Matt]

What all comes with the Cambium cable kit?  Does not seem to list that
anywhere.  What kind of connectors? Duplex or single fiber?  SFP
modules included or needed?  Pictures?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:25 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
>
> the cable seems ok.
> I gave up on anything other than cambium's pre built cable
> it comes with the gland required
> it is very difficult to terminate a fiber cable close enough to the jacket to 
> work in the typical gland.
> you could do it with a short piece of liquitite conduit by the radio.
>
> I the end I figured it wasn't worth the trouble.
>
> Roland
>
>
> > Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?
>
> https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable
>
> Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m?
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  wrote:
> >
> > What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Roland Houin]

the cable seems ok.
I gave up on anything other than cambium's pre built cable
it comes with the gland required
it is very difficult to terminate a fiber cable close enough to the jacket to work in the typical gland.
you could do it with a short piece of liquitite conduit by the radio.
 
I the end I figured it wasn't worth the trouble.
 
Roland
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Porn for Chuck

[Christopher Tyler]

Who want's to bet he ends up with "extra" screws when it goes back together?

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- Original Message -
> From: "chuck" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:40:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Porn for Chuck

> Some serious filtering going on. I counted 32 cavities. 8 per filter. Might 
> have
> needed so many due to using ceramic resonators rather than helical or quarter
> wave cavities. They could have probably made do with half that number but the
> case would have been twice that deep,
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [ https://youtu.be/eIcLvF2C8eM?t=833 | https://youtu.be/eIcLvF2C8eM?t=833 ]
> 
> (Link to start of undressing part)
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

[Ken Hohhof]

The BOM generated by LinkPlanner was right though?

 

I usually check the label on the box which shows the xmt freq range, but I 
order based on LinkPlanner, and when I get the draft PCN back I take the time 
to update LinkPlanner with the actual freqs.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of m...@amplex.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 9:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

 

I should have caught it much sooner.   Link coordination and equipment is one 
of those things I handed off to another person.  The job has now been passed 
off to the 3rd (or 4th if you count me) person.   Didn't think something that 
basic would slip through so many people.   Apparently we need to look closer at 
our training procedures when handing tasks off.

 

Mark

 

On Wed, 01 Apr 2020 09:59:56 -0400, dmmoffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ive actually been bitten by the same problem.  Should have thought of that.

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 

 Original message 

From: Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> >

Date: 4/1/20 8:50 AM (GMT-05:00)

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

 

Old thread  but finally found the answer to what was going on with this link - 
and it's stupid. 

 

The 820C has 3 part numbers to cover the 11Ghz band.   Apparently the 
coordinated frequency was outside of the range of the radio part number we were 
using.   Amateur mistake.   A couple of contributing factors - but one of the 
bigger ones is that the 820C will happily accept a frequency assignment outside 
of the sub-band without complaint.   The older 800's and other brands we have 
used puke if you try to do that.  

 

We have kept all of our links in one sub-band for sparing.   I think there is a 
newer 820C high power that has external swappable duplexers that will simplify 
the sparing but stocking one pair of radios and just the duplexers.   I need to 
have our NOC look into that since we now have a 'spares' problem.

 

Mark

 





On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

 

I think at this point we are just going to go back out and try it without the 
Dragonwave adapter by swapping the mounting plate on the back of the antennas 
to the Cambium plates.   We have a set of mounting plates on hand. 

 

Mark





On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Caleb Knauer mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

He swapped radio pairs with known good in the field and that wasn't it.  And 
you can't rotate ODU flanges on C, they're fixed and meant to go to some 
mediation devices.  You can on the single core S. 

 

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:43 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

If somehow those rectangular sections are not aligned you could have that 
problem.

I am leaning toward a bad radio. 

You could put both radios on the bench.  Divert one of the rectangular 
waveguides  on each end.

I would not block it but just put some kind of 45 degree reflector in front of 
it to direct the signal somewhere else. 

Or if you could find some absorbing foam to put in front of it. 

 

From: Roland Houin

Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:35 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

 

I believe that you can rotate the waveguides in the odu.

That could result in an incorrect polarization..

I believe we have run into that in the past

 

Roland

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 2:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

 

Acorns in the radome.

 

From: Mark Radabaugh 

Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:18 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

 

Not a lot of options to put these together wrong.  Line up the hangers and it's 
good to go: 

 

 

 

Mark Radabaugh

Amplex

22690 Pemberville Rd

Luckey, OH 43443

419-261-5996

 

On Mar 6, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

whats the OMT look like? That V/H pin puts the plate at 45?

 

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:48 PM Caleb Knauer mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If that center part is press fit in slightly catawampus and not 100%
plumb then it could cause issues.  Or the pipe isn't 100% either.  But
kind of grasping at straws with that.

On the C's I've bench tested with XPIC without antennas, it'll talk to
either one IIRC if you run 2/1 or 1/2 as I've played with it.  It's
really not happy about it though.  I'd have to confirm though, been a
bit.

XPIC keys or settings wouldn't affect the raw RXL levels, it just
blows out your MSE if they're crossed.  I've seen links where they
didn't turn on anything XPIC but set it up and it works, just kinda
janky.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Matt]

Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?

https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable

Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

[Mark Radabaugh]

We are seeing some odd traffic shifts with the CDN’s.   For no apparent reason 
they will flap between exchanges, start dumping huge amount of traffic through 
one exchange, etc.   We are having ot make changes to react to that which isn’t 
helping.   It would be nice to have a little more visibility into it so we are 
not just reacting after there is an issue.

Mark

> On Apr 1, 2020, at 10:39 AM,   wrote:
> 
> I should have caught it much sooner.   Link coordination and equipment is one 
> of those things I handed off to another person.  The job has now been passed 
> off to the 3rd (or 4th if you count me) person.   Didn't think something that 
> basic would slip through so many people.   Apparently we need to look closer 
> at our training procedures when handing tasks off.
> 
>  
> Mark
> 
>  
> On Wed, 01 Apr 2020 09:59:56 -0400, dmmoffett  wrote:
> 
>> Ive actually been bitten by the same problem.  Should have thought of that.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>  
>>  
>>  Original message 
>> From: Mark Radabaugh 
>> Date: 4/1/20 8:50 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>>  
>> Old thread  but finally found the answer to what was going on with this link 
>> - and it's stupid.
>>  
>> The 820C has 3 part numbers to cover the 11Ghz band.   Apparently the 
>> coordinated frequency was outside of the range of the radio part number we 
>> were using.   Amateur mistake.   A couple of contributing factors - but one 
>> of the bigger ones is that the 820C will happily accept a frequency 
>> assignment outside of the sub-band without complaint.   The older 800's and 
>> other brands we have used puke if you try to do that.  
>>  
>> We have kept all of our links in one sub-band for sparing.   I think there 
>> is a newer 820C high power that has external swappable duplexers that will 
>> simplify the sparing but stocking one pair of radios and just the duplexers. 
>>   I need to have our NOC look into that since we now have a 'spares' problem.
>>  
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Mark Radabaugh >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think at this point we are just going to go back out and try it without 
>>> the Dragonwave adapter by swapping the mounting plate on the back of the 
>>> antennas to the Cambium plates.   We have a set of mounting plates on hand.
>>>  
>>> Mark
>>> 
 On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Caleb Knauer >>> > wrote:
 
 He swapped radio pairs with known good in the field and that wasn't it.  
 And you can't rotate ODU flanges on C, they're fixed and meant to go to 
 some mediation devices.  You can on the single core S. 
 
 On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:43 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
 wrote:
 If somehow those rectangular sections are not aligned you could have that 
 problem.
 I am leaning toward a bad radio. 
 You could put both radios on the bench.  Divert one of the rectangular 
 waveguides  on each end.
 I would not block it but just put some kind of 45 degree reflector in 
 front of it to direct the signal somewhere else. 
 Or if you could find some absorbing foam to put in front of it. 
  
 From: Roland Houin <>
 Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:35 PM
 To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
  
 I believe that you can rotate the waveguides in the odu.
 
 That could result in an incorrect polarization..
 
 I believe we have run into that in the past
 
  
 Roland
 
  
 From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
 Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 2:32 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
 
  
 Acorns in the radome.
 
  
 From: Mark Radabaugh
 
 Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:18 PM
 
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
 
  
 Not a lot of options to put these together wrong.  Line up the hangers and 
 it's good to go:
 
  
  
  
 Mark Radabaugh
 
 Amplex
 
 22690 Pemberville Rd
 
 Luckey, OH 43443
 
 419-261-5996
 
 
 
 
 On Mar 6, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Steve Jones > 
 wrote:
 
 
 whats the OMT look like? That V/H pin puts the plate at 45?
 
  
 On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:48 PM Caleb Knauer > 
 wrote:
 
 If that center part is press fit in slightly catawampus and not 100%
 plumb then it could cause issues.  Or the pipe isn't 100% either.  But
 kind of grasping at straws with that.
 
 On the C's I've bench tested with XPIC without antennas, it'll 

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

[mark]

I should have caught it much sooner. Link coordination and equipment is
one of those things I handed off to another person. The job has now been
passed off to the 3rd (or 4th if you count me) person. Didn't think
something that basic would slip through so many people. Apparently we need
to look closer at our training procedures when handing tasks off. 

Mark


On Wed, 01 Apr 2020 09:59:56 -0400, dmmoffett  wrote:  Ive actually been
bitten by the same problem. Should have thought of that.Sent from
my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone    Original message
 From: Mark Radabaugh  Date: 4/1/20 8:50 AM (GMT-05:00) To:
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave
antenna questionOld thread but finally found the answer to what was
going on with this link - and it's stupid.   The 820C has 3 part numbers to
cover the 11Ghz band. Apparently the coordinated frequency was outside of
the range of the radio part number we were using. Amateur mistake. A couple
of contributing factors - but one of the bigger ones is that the 820C will
happily accept a frequency assignment outside of the sub-band without
complaint. The older 800's and other brands we have used puke if you try to
do that.We have kept all of our links in one sub-band for sparing. I
think there is a newer 820C high power that has external swappable
duplexers that will simplify the sparing but stocking one pair of radios
and just the duplexers. I need to have our NOC look into that since we now
have a 'spares' problem.   Mark

  On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Mark
Radabaugh  wrote: 
  I think at this point we are just going to go back out
and try it without the Dragonwave adapter by swapping the mounting plate on
the back of the antennas to the Cambium plates. We have a set of mounting
plates on hand.   Mark

  On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Caleb Knauer  wrote:

  He swapped radio pairs with known good in the field and that wasn't it.
And you can't rotate ODU flanges on C, they're fixed and meant to go to
some mediation devices. You can on the single core S.  
  On Fri, Mar 6,
2020 at 2:43 PM  wrote: If somehow those rectangular sections are not
aligned you could have that problem. I am leaning toward a bad radio.  You
could put both radios on the bench. Divert one of the rectangular
waveguides on each end. I would not block it but just put some kind of 45
degree reflector in front of it to direct the signal somewhere else.  Or if
you could find some absorbing foam to put in front of it.   FROM:
Roland Houin SENT: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:35 PM TO: 'AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group' SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

I
believe that you can rotate the waveguides in the odu. 

That could result
in an incorrect polarization.. 

I believe we have run into that in the
past 

Roland 

FROM: AF  ON BEHALF OF ch...@wbmfg.com [5]
SENT: Friday,
March 6, 2020 2:32 PM
TO: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
SUBJECT: Re:
[AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question   

Acorns in the radome.


FROM: Mark Radabaugh

SENT: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:18 PM   

TO:
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave
antenna question 

Not a lot of options to put these together wrong.
Line up the hangers and it's good to go:   

Mark Radabaugh   

Amplex  


22690 Pemberville Rd   

Luckey, OH 43443   

419-261-5996

On Mar 6,
2020, at 1:56 PM, Steve Jones  wrote: 

whats the OMT look like? That
V/H pin puts the plate at 45?   

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:48 PM Caleb
Knauer  wrote:   

If that center part is press fit in slightly catawampus
and not 100%
plumb then it could cause issues. Or the pipe isn't 100%
either. But
kind of grasping at straws with that.

On the C's I've bench
tested with XPIC without antennas, it'll talk to
either one IIRC if you run
2/1 or 1/2 as I've played with it. It's
really not happy about it though.
I'd have to confirm though, been a
bit.

XPIC keys or settings wouldn't
affect the raw RXL levels, it just
blows out your MSE if they're crossed.
I've seen links where they
didn't turn on anything XPIC but set it up and
it works, just kinda
janky.

You could always mute one core on both sides
and sanity check that way
too. If something is crossed, it'd show the right
RXL one on core and
30ish dBm down on the other core.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020
at 1:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> You look at Mark's photo and think what
could possibly be wrong, it's a round hole. How many ways are there to
install a round hole, it's like the proverbial one car funeral
procession.
>
> And I guess with an 820C + OMT, having H and V swapped
shouldn't be possible, and even if they were, it would still work if you
did the same thing at both ends. I wouldn't assume though that XPIC would
straighten out an H/V swap, I don't think it's like MIMO on WiFi. XPIC
assumes the antenna cross pol rejection does most of the work and it has to
clean up what remains.
>
> I'm 

[AFMUG] Eyeball Networks not Eyeball anymore

[Nate Burke]

I have no evidence other than anecdotal right now, but it seems like 
many networks might have been built for eyeballs over the last couple 
years, and have big pipes to the CDN's, but are kinda falling apart now 
that there is more Office Video/VPN needing actual cross country 
connectivity.


So far I've heard from 2 of my business Customers that are showing 
increased latency to their east/west coast Datacenters.  I've seen 
increased latency to some of our VoIP Endpoints that will come and go 
for hours at a time.  Seems to be spread across multiple providers, so 
I'm thinking that it's further upstream that there's a problem.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

[Cameron Crum]

Black cats might work, but then there is all the paper.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 6:22 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Chuck,
> If you end up using a 22, you can buy blanks. If you can't find blanks for
> a regular gun, my Ramset uses these:
> Yellow shot 22
> 
>
> You can get different loads for different nails. Not sure which is the
> highest load or what would work best.
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:31 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> It's hard to imagine something to match the combination of sharp loudness
>> and convenience of a pistol.  If you need it louder you might have to just
>> get a bigger pistol.
>>
>> I seem to think they use 12 gauge blanks for sounding underground
>> objects.  Similar problem with similar solution.
>>
>>
>> On 3/31/2020 7:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> We have some loads for a power hammer that may work.  Else we will just
>> pull the bullet off a regular 22 short and either crimp it or put some soap
>> in it.
>>
>> *From:* David Coudron
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new project
>>
>>
>> You can use a regular pistol and regular blanks.   I bought a lot of
>> these for my uncle who was the coordinator for track and field in Hawaii.
>> We just bought regular blanks even thought they had starting pistols, so
>> you can use them in a regular pistol.   He mixed black powder and regular
>> powder.   Black powder for official races, regular for practice.   .22 and
>> a .22 pistol should work well.   I wouldn’t mess with the black powder
>> though as it is tough on the pistol and harder to get.   Let me know if you
>> have a tough time finding them, I might be able to help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:12 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new project
>>
>>
>>
>> No we just want the shortest loudest sound we can get initially.  I will
>> get it dialed in after some initial testing.
>>
>> The problem with the starter pistol is that I think the sound comes out
>> of an area that is somewhat diffuse.  If we put a blank in a pistol then
>> the sound should come from the barrel.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* David Coudron
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:06 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new project
>>
>>
>>
>> Starter pistol would be significantly louder and is pretty cheap to use
>> if you need to do this often.   You can get .22 or .32 caliber blanks.
>> Don’t bother with the black powder blanks, they are harder to get and cost
>> more.   The black powder only helps if you need visual verification of the
>> shot before the noise reaches you (like the timer in a race).
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT new project
>>
>>
>>
>> I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a
>> starter pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.
>>
>> Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise
>> need to be small.
>>
>> Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse
>> sharp and loud enough.
>>
>> Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud
>> enough or not.
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Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

[dmmoffett]

Ive actually been bitten by the same problem.  Should have thought of that.Sent 
from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Mark Radabaugh  Date: 
4/1/20  8:50 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question Old 
thread  but finally found the answer to what was going on with this link - and 
it’s stupid.The 820C has 3 part numbers to cover the 11Ghz band.   Apparently 
the coordinated frequency was outside of the range of the radio part number we 
were using.   Amateur mistake.   A couple of contributing factors - but one of 
the bigger ones is that the 820C will happily accept a frequency assignment 
outside of the sub-band without complaint.   The older 800’s and other brands 
we have used puke if you try to do that.  We have kept all of our links in one 
sub-band for sparing.   I think there is a newer 820C high power that has 
external swappable duplexers that will simplify the sparing but stocking one 
pair of radios and just the duplexers.   I need to have our NOC look into that 
since we now have a ’spares’ problem.MarkOn Mar 6, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Mark 
Radabaugh  wrote:I think at this point we are just going to go 
back out and try it without the Dragonwave adapter by swapping the mounting 
plate on the back of the antennas to the Cambium plates.   We have a set of 
mounting plates on hand.MarkOn Mar 6, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Caleb Knauer 
 wrote:He swapped radio pairs with known good in the 
field and that wasn't it.  And you can't rotate ODU flanges on C, they're fixed 
and meant to go to some mediation devices.  You can on the single core S. On 
Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:43 PM  wrote:









If somehow those rectangular sections are not aligned you could have that 
problem.
I am leaning toward a bad radio.  
You could put both radios on the bench.  Divert one of the rectangular 
waveguides  on each end.
I would not block it but just put some kind of 45 degree reflector in front 
of it to direct the signal somewhere else.  
Or if you could find some absorbing foam to put in front of it.  



 

From: Roland 
Houin 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:35 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna 
question
 

I believe that you can rotate the waveguides in the 
odu.That could result in an incorrect 
polarization..I believe we have run into that in the past Roland 

From: AF  On Behalf 
Of chuck@wbmfg.comSent: Friday, March 6, 2020 2:32 
PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna 
question 


Acorns in the 
radome.


 

From: Mark 
Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, 
March 6, 2020 12:18 PM
To: 
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
 
Not a lot of 
options to put these together wrong.  Line up the hangers and it’s good to 
go: 
 

 
Mark 
Radabaugh

Amplex
22690 Pemberville 
Rd
Luckey, OH 
43443
419-261-5996

On Mar 6, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Steve Jones 
   
wrote:

   
  
  whats the OMT 
  look like? That V/H pin puts the plate at 45?
   
  
  On Fri, Mar 6, 
  2020 at 12:48 PM Caleb Knauer  
  wrote:
  If that 
center part is press fit in slightly catawampus and not 100%plumb then 
it could cause issues.  Or the pipe isn't 100% either.  
Butkind of grasping at straws with that.On the C's I've bench 
tested with XPIC without antennas, it'll talk toeither one IIRC if you 
run 2/1 or 1/2 as I've played with it.  It'sreally not happy about 
it though.  I'd have to confirm though, been abit.XPIC keys 
or settings wouldn't affect the raw RXL levels, it justblows out your 
MSE if they're crossed.  I've seen links where theydidn't turn on 
anything XPIC but set it up and it works, just kindajanky.You 
could always mute one core on both sides and sanity check that 
waytoo.  If something is crossed, it'd show the right RXL one on 
core and30ish dBm down on the other core.On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 
1:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:>> You 
look at Mark's photo and think what could possibly be wrong, it's a round 
hole.  How many ways are there to install a round hole, it's like the 
proverbial one car funeral procession.>> And I guess with an 
820C + OMT, having H and V swapped shouldn't be possible, and even if they 
were, it would still work if you did the same thing at both ends.  I 
wouldn't assume though that XPIC would straighten out an H/V swap, I don't 
think it's like MIMO on WiFi.  XPIC assumes the antenna cross pol 
rejection does most of the work and it has to clean up what 
remains.>> I'm assuming you have the XPIC keys enabled, 
although that would probably create an alarm not the symptoms you are 
seeing.>> -Original Message-> From: AF 
 On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer> 
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 11:40 AM> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 
Microwave 

Re: [AFMUG] Meanwhile Vivint is ceasing wireless in our area..

[Chuck McCown]

Vivian then could not make it work well in our area.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/31/atts-39ghz-spectrum-win-sets-stage-for-national-3gbps-5g-service/
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Re: [AFMUG] Porn for Chuck

[Chuck McCown]

Some serious filtering going on.  I counted 32 cavities.  8 per filter.  Might 
have needed so many due to using ceramic resonators rather than helical or 
quarter wave cavities.  They could have probably made do with half that number 
but the case would have been twice that deep,

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> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://youtu.be/eIcLvF2C8eM?t=833
> 
> (Link to start of undressing part)
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Earthquakes

[Nate Burke]

Interestingly, I use Thunderbird to send my email, so no thing touches 
the browser, and it's my own private email server.  I did not search for 
anything before sending the mail.  But now my youtube 'suggested' list 
has multiple 'WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE YELLOWSTONE SUPERVOLANO ERUPTS' 
videos showing up.   Hmmm  I wonder how that cross integration 
happened,  Googlebot scanning found a copy of this message on an archive 
somewhere?  Someone who has Gmail got this message, and it cross indexed 
back to my email address.


On 4/1/2020 8:33 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

It is the end times.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

Salt lake city last week, Boise today, They're getting close to that Geo-lock 
at Yellowstone and unleashing pandemonium.  At least i think that's what the 
movies call it.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Earthquakes

[Chuck McCown]

It is the end times.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> Salt lake city last week, Boise today, They're getting close to that 
> Geo-lock at Yellowstone and unleashing pandemonium.  At least i think that's 
> what the movies call it.
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Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

[Mark Radabaugh]

Old thread  but finally found the answer to what was going on with this link - 
and it’s stupid.

The 820C has 3 part numbers to cover the 11Ghz band.   Apparently the 
coordinated frequency was outside of the range of the radio part number we were 
using.   Amateur mistake.   A couple of contributing factors - but one of the 
bigger ones is that the 820C will happily accept a frequency assignment outside 
of the sub-band without complaint.   The older 800’s and other brands we have 
used puke if you try to do that.  

We have kept all of our links in one sub-band for sparing.   I think there is a 
newer 820C high power that has external swappable duplexers that will simplify 
the sparing but stocking one pair of radios and just the duplexers.   I need to 
have our NOC look into that since we now have a ’spares’ problem.

Mark


> On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> I think at this point we are just going to go back out and try it without the 
> Dragonwave adapter by swapping the mounting plate on the back of the antennas 
> to the Cambium plates.   We have a set of mounting plates on hand.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Caleb Knauer > > wrote:
>> 
>> He swapped radio pairs with known good in the field and that wasn't it.  And 
>> you can't rotate ODU flanges on C, they're fixed and meant to go to some 
>> mediation devices.  You can on the single core S. 
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:43 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> If somehow those rectangular sections are not aligned you could have that 
>> problem.
>> I am leaning toward a bad radio. 
>> You could put both radios on the bench.  Divert one of the rectangular 
>> waveguides  on each end.
>> I would not block it but just put some kind of 45 degree reflector in front 
>> of it to direct the signal somewhere else. 
>> Or if you could find some absorbing foam to put in front of it. 
>>  
>> From: Roland Houin <>
>> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:35 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>>  
>> I believe that you can rotate the waveguides in the odu.
>> 
>> That could result in an incorrect polarization..
>> 
>> I believe we have run into that in the past
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Roland
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>> Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 2:32 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Acorns in the radome.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Mark Radabaugh
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:18 PM
>> 
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Not a lot of options to put these together wrong.  Line up the hangers and 
>> it’s good to go:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark Radabaugh
>> 
>> Amplex
>> 
>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>> 
>> Luckey, OH 43443
>> 
>> 419-261-5996
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Steve Jones > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> whats the OMT look like? That V/H pin puts the plate at 45?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:48 PM Caleb Knauer > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If that center part is press fit in slightly catawampus and not 100%
>> plumb then it could cause issues.  Or the pipe isn't 100% either.  But
>> kind of grasping at straws with that.
>> 
>> On the C's I've bench tested with XPIC without antennas, it'll talk to
>> either one IIRC if you run 2/1 or 1/2 as I've played with it.  It's
>> really not happy about it though.  I'd have to confirm though, been a
>> bit.
>> 
>> XPIC keys or settings wouldn't affect the raw RXL levels, it just
>> blows out your MSE if they're crossed.  I've seen links where they
>> didn't turn on anything XPIC but set it up and it works, just kinda
>> janky.
>> 
>> You could always mute one core on both sides and sanity check that way
>> too.  If something is crossed, it'd show the right RXL one on core and
>> 30ish dBm down on the other core.
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:12 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:
>> >
>> > You look at Mark's photo and think what could possibly be wrong, it's a 
>> > round hole.  How many ways are there to install a round hole, it's like 
>> > the proverbial one car funeral procession.
>> >
>> > And I guess with an 820C + OMT, having H and V swapped shouldn't be 
>> > possible, and even if they were, it would still work if you did the same 
>> > thing at both ends.  I wouldn't assume though that XPIC would straighten 
>> > out an H/V swap, I don't think it's like MIMO on WiFi.  XPIC assumes the 
>> > antenna cross pol rejection does most of the work and it has to clean up 
>> > what remains.
>> >
>> > I'm assuming you have the XPIC keys enabled, although that would probably 
>> > create an alarm not the symptoms you are seeing.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: AF > On Behalf Of Caleb 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new project

[Lewis Bergman]

Chuck,
If you end up using a 22, you can buy blanks. If you can't find blanks for
a regular gun, my Ramset uses these:
Yellow shot 22


You can get different loads for different nails. Not sure which is the
highest load or what would work best.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:31 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> It's hard to imagine something to match the combination of sharp loudness
> and convenience of a pistol.  If you need it louder you might have to just
> get a bigger pistol.
>
> I seem to think they use 12 gauge blanks for sounding underground
> objects.  Similar problem with similar solution.
>
>
> On 3/31/2020 7:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> We have some loads for a power hammer that may work.  Else we will just
> pull the bullet off a regular 22 short and either crimp it or put some soap
> in it.
>
> *From:* David Coudron
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new project
>
>
> You can use a regular pistol and regular blanks.   I bought a lot of these
> for my uncle who was the coordinator for track and field in Hawaii.   We
> just bought regular blanks even thought they had starting pistols, so you
> can use them in a regular pistol.   He mixed black powder and regular
> powder.   Black powder for official races, regular for practice.   .22 and
> a .22 pistol should work well.   I wouldn’t mess with the black powder
> though as it is tough on the pistol and harder to get.   Let me know if you
> have a tough time finding them, I might be able to help.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:12 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new project
>
>
>
> No we just want the shortest loudest sound we can get initially.  I will
> get it dialed in after some initial testing.
>
> The problem with the starter pistol is that I think the sound comes out of
> an area that is somewhat diffuse.  If we put a blank in a pistol then the
> sound should come from the barrel.
>
>
>
> *From:* David Coudron
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:06 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new project
>
>
>
> Starter pistol would be significantly louder and is pretty cheap to use if
> you need to do this often.   You can get .22 or .32 caliber blanks.   Don’t
> bother with the black powder blanks, they are harder to get and cost
> more.   The black powder only helps if you need visual verification of the
> shot before the noise reaches you (like the timer in a race).
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:17 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT new project
>
>
>
> I need to launch a large sound impulse down a pipe.  Thinking of a starter
> pistol.  Banging on the side of the pipe is not good enough.
>
> Need a loud pop that I can do over and over.  Whatever makes the noise
> need to be small.
>
> Not sure if there is a small loudspeaker that could produce an impulse
> sharp and loud enough.
>
> Do they still make cap pistols?  Not sure if toy caps would be loud enough
> or not.
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