Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

2020-06-30 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
Maybe he's not talking about the weather?


bp



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Now
you’re trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?
 

  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...It's hot....the weather

2020-06-30 Thread James Howard 
Now you're trying to tell us that 34 degrees is hot?

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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett 

All the good switches are made in Taiwan.

All the bad switches are also made in Taiwan.

Planet is definitely in one of those categories.


On 6/30/2020 6:29 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

planet

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:29 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
Im have a bunch of them for sale, interested?


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planet

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:29 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
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Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Sean Heskett 
planet

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>
> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
> you look at today?
>
> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
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Re: [AFMUG] POE-24iR-CI discontinued?

2020-06-30 Thread Ken Hohhof 
It's probably irrelevant if the Tycon one is no longer available.  But keep
in mind the AC line cord is extra with the Cambium POE.

 

Main differences IMHO are the Cambium POE doesn't have the current indicator
LED feature, or mounting ears.  Not rocket science if Cambium wanted to add
them.  We use the current indicator feature all the time when customers call
in, the mounting tabs we use rarely.

 

 

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The Cambium one is $12 at Baltic.  The Tycon is at least twice the money.
Is it twice as good? 

 

On 6/30/2020 4:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

We use these.   Just about to order more, unhappy to hear they have been
discontinued!!! 

 

So, yes what do people use with 450b High Gain..

 

Adam

 

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Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 1:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  

Subject: [AFMUG] POE-24iR-CI discontinued?

 

Anybody else use this part, either the Tycon or Laird version?  Has it been
discontinued?  If so, what are you using instead?

 

I guess I could use Cambium's N000900L001C, but the current indicator
feature has been very useful on trouble calls.  "Is the LED on the POE lit?
Is it green or yellow?"

 

I've never been sure how useful the surge protection is on the Tycon POEs.
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Re: [AFMUG] POE-24iR-CI discontinued?

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett 
The Cambium one is $12 at Baltic.  The Tycon is at least twice the 
money.  Is it twice as good?



On 6/30/2020 4:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


We use these.   Just about to order more, unhappy to hear they have 
been discontinued!!!


So, yes what do people use with 450b High Gain….

Adam

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*Subject:* [AFMUG] POE-24iR-CI discontinued?

Anybody else use this part, either the Tycon or Laird version?  Has it 
been discontinued?  If so, what are you using instead?


I guess I could use Cambium’s N000900L001C, but the current indicator 
feature has been very useful on trouble calls.  “Is the LED on the POE 
lit?  Is it green or yellow?”


I’ve never been sure how useful the surge protection is on the Tycon 
POEs.  You really don’t want to open one up, they’re a rats nest inside.



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Re: [AFMUG] POE-24iR-CI discontinued?

2020-06-30 Thread SmarterBroadband 
We use these.   Just about to order more, unhappy to hear they have been
discontinued!!! 

 

So, yes what do people use with 450b High Gain..

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 1:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE-24iR-CI discontinued?

 

Anybody else use this part, either the Tycon or Laird version?  Has it been
discontinued?  If so, what are you using instead?

 

I guess I could use Cambium's N000900L001C, but the current indicator
feature has been very useful on trouble calls.  "Is the LED on the POE lit?
Is it green or yellow?"

 

I've never been sure how useful the surge protection is on the Tycon POEs.
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
How about some good gray market resellers?


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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

I'll check out Arista.

I do appreciate a good deal as much as anybody, but I think I should
mention that being cheap on Ebay is not one of my criteria.

On 6/30/2020 1:07 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
> Arista all the way. Entry prices for Arista 7010 and 7020R devices are quite
> reasonable. Some 7010 and 7020R inventory on Ebay as well.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:29 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches
>
> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett 

Do they all run Linux?

On 6/30/2020 1:36 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:

Understood, Arista hits the boxes for us in terms of support, performance,
AND value.. We primarily use the 7280SR variants, but either the 7010 or
7020 makes for an excellent tower level switch/router.

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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

I'll check out Arista.

I do appreciate a good deal as much as anybody, but I think I should mention
that being cheap on Ebay is not one of my criteria.

On 6/30/2020 1:07 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:

Arista all the way. Entry prices for Arista 7010 and 7020R devices are
quite reasonable. Some 7010 and 7020R inventory on Ebay as well.

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Peter Kranz via AF 
Understood, Arista hits the boxes for us in terms of support, performance,
AND value.. We primarily use the 7280SR variants, but either the 7010 or
7020 makes for an excellent tower level switch/router.  

Peter Kranz
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Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

I'll check out Arista.

I do appreciate a good deal as much as anybody, but I think I should mention
that being cheap on Ebay is not one of my criteria.

On 6/30/2020 1:07 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
> Arista all the way. Entry prices for Arista 7010 and 7020R devices are 
> quite reasonable. Some 7010 and 7020R inventory on Ebay as well.
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:29 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches
>
> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>
> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would 
> you look at today?
>
> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett 

I'll check out Arista.

I do appreciate a good deal as much as anybody, but I think I should 
mention that being cheap on Ebay is not one of my criteria.


On 6/30/2020 1:07 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:

Arista all the way. Entry prices for Arista 7010 and 7020R devices are quite
reasonable. Some 7010 and 7020R inventory on Ebay as well.

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

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Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

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look at today?

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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Peter Kranz via AF 
Arista all the way. Entry prices for Arista 7010 and 7020R devices are quite
reasonable. Some 7010 and 7020R inventory on Ebay as well. 

Peter Kranz
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Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would you
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Baird 
Yeah - I was looking at used on eBay.  I see some for <$1500.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:38 PM Jesse DuPont 
wrote:

> Used - well under $2500, some way less.
> 
>
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>
> Owner / Network Architect
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> On 6/30/20 10:23 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> $15k cheap?
> On 6/30/2020 12:20 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> ... and cheap, too.  I'll take a look at these!
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:14 AM Jesse DuPont <
> jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> wrote:
>
>> Brocade ICX7750-48F is a solid choice.
>> 
>>
>> *Jesse DuPont*
>>
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>> On 6/30/20 8:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC using the
>> 40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider the older
>> EX4550 if you are trying to save money.
>>
>> I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the
>> CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, and
>> I'm also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on CRS.  I really
>> just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this particular application.
>>
>> The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to work fine
>> for L2 access (servers, etc).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lots of 10gig SFP+
>>>
>>> I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack chassis
>>> using the 40gig ports.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>
>>> What interface config are you looking for?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
 isolation.standard stuff.

 I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd
 that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks
 and spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a
 sudden.


 On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

 What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

 Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>
> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Jesse DuPont 

  
  
Used - well under $2500, some way less.

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  / Network
  Architect
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On 6/30/20 10:23 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  $15k cheap?
  
  On 6/30/2020 12:20 PM, Josh Baird
wrote:
  
  

... and cheap, too.  I'll take a look at these!


  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at
11:14 AM Jesse DuPont 
wrote:
  
  
 Brocade ICX7750-48F is a solid choice.
  

  Jesse DuPont
  Owner /
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity
Networks LLC / Celerity
  Broadband LLC
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  On 6/30/20 8:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
  
  
EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes,
  you can create a VC using the 40Gbps interfaces (or
  the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider the older
  EX4550 if you are trying to save money.
  


I'm actually looking for something similar.. I
  have a few of the CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but
  tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, and I'm also
  not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on
  CRS.  I really just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for
  this particular application.


The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old
  option, but seems to work fine for L2 access
  (servers, etc).


  



  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020
at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett 
wrote:
  
  

  Lots of 10gig SFP+
  I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering
if I can stack chassis using the 40gig ports.
  
  
  On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
  
  
What interface config are
  you looking for?


  On Tue, Jun
30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett 
wrote:
  
  

  For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype
filter, port isolation.standard
stuff.
  I'm assuming Juniper has software for
central management?  I poo-poo'd that
stuff for a long time, but try to push
one change out to 300 Mikrotiks and
spending $10k on management software
starts to look attractive all of a
sudden.
  
  
  On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird
wrote:
  
  
What featureset do you
  need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?
  
  
  Juniper EX is my go-to for most
applications.



  On
Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam
Moffett 
wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett 

$15k cheap?

On 6/30/2020 12:20 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

... and cheap, too.  I'll take a look at these!

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:14 AM Jesse DuPont 
mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>> 
wrote:


Brocade ICX7750-48F is a solid choice.


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On 6/30/20 8:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC
using the 40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may
consider the older EX4550 if you are trying to save money.

I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the
CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use
them, and I'm also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config
on CRS.  I really just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this
particular application.

The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to
work fine for L2 access (servers, etc).


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Lots of 10gig SFP+

I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can
stack chassis using the 40gig ports.


On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What interface config are you looking for?

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
isolation.standard stuff.

I'm assuming Juniper has software for central
management?  I poo-poo'd that stuff for a long time, but
try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks and spending
$10k on management software starts to look attractive
all of a sudden.


On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian
switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
Cisco Nexus is a good option !


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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC using the 40Gbps 
interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider the older EX4550 if 
you are trying to save money.

I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the 
CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, and I'm 
also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on CRS.  I really just need 
4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this particular application.

The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to work fine for L2 
access (servers, etc).


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Lots of 10gig SFP+

I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack chassis using 
the 40gig ports.


On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
What interface config are you looking for?

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port isolation.standard 
stuff.

I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd that 
stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks and 
spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a sudden.


On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Baird 
... and cheap, too.  I'll take a look at these!

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:14 AM Jesse DuPont 
wrote:

> Brocade ICX7750-48F is a solid choice.
> 
>
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>
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> On 6/30/20 8:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC using the
> 40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider the older
> EX4550 if you are trying to save money.
>
> I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the
> CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, and
> I'm also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on CRS.  I really
> just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this particular application.
>
> The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to work fine
> for L2 access (servers, etc).
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Lots of 10gig SFP+
>>
>> I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack chassis
>> using the 40gig ports.
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> What interface config are you looking for?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
>>> isolation.standard stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd
>>> that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks
>>> and spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a
>>> sudden.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>
>>> What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?
>>>
>>> Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

 Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
 you look at today?

 Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Baird 
Yeah - the L2 VLAN config on CRS has been frustrating to say the least.  I
haven't even tried this "new" method on the CRS317, but it's on my list
soon.

Juniper EX JunOS syntax across models is more or less the same.  There are
some minor differences when you get into EX4600 since it uses ELS (enhanced
L2 software) software.

Josh

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:08 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Well the CRS 3xx line is actually their best so far.  I've noted at least
> 4 ways to set up VLAN's on a Mikrotik and in any given scenario 3 of them
> are wrong.  On the 3xx use Bridge->VLAN and enable VLAN filtering on your
> bridge interface.  That is the only platform where the bridge VLAN
> filtering gets hardware acceleration, and if you did that on any other
> model you'd be dependent on the CPU.  For CRS 1xx and 2xx you use
> Switch->VLAN menu which has different options and capabilities.  For CCR or
> any of the other router products you can use bridge->VLAN filtering, but
> there's still an older method under Interface->VLAN which also works and
> you can either add VLAN interfaces to a bridge, or bridge the VLAN
> interfaces together.  All of these methods are "right" in the right
> scenario, and 3 out of the 4 are always wrong.
>
> A stack of those CRS317's was an alternate suggestion made here.  Four of
> those would cost 1/10th what we'd spend on an EX4600, but I'm kind of sick
> of that whole scene.
>
> If you're in Juniper world and you have two different models, how much
> different is the command syntax to do the same jobs?
>
>
> On 6/30/2020 10:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC using the
> 40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider the older
> EX4550 if you are trying to save money.
>
> I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the
> CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, and
> I'm also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on CRS.  I really
> just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this particular application.
>
> The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to work fine
> for L2 access (servers, etc).
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Lots of 10gig SFP+
>>
>> I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack chassis
>> using the 40gig ports.
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> What interface config are you looking for?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
>>> isolation.standard stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd
>>> that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks
>>> and spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a
>>> sudden.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>
>>> What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?
>>>
>>> Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

 Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
 you look at today?

 Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett 
If you know the state they're all in already, and you know the same 
command will work on all of them, then I can see how that would work.  
I'm working towards that too because the Mikrotiks won't go away.



On 6/30/2020 11:17 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Might look at Unimus for that config change to 300 Mikrotiks.  If 
that's your only issue, it's a lot cheaper than replacing 300 units.


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On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
isolation.standard stuff.

I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I
poo-poo'd that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change
out to 300 Mikrotiks and spending $10k on management software
starts to look attractive all of a sudden.


On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches,
who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Luthman 
Might look at Unimus for that config change to 300 Mikrotiks.  If that's
your only issue, it's a lot cheaper than replacing 300 units.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
> isolation.standard stuff.
>
> I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd
> that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks
> and spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a
> sudden.
>
>
> On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?
>
> Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>>
>> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
>> you look at today?
>>
>> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

2020-06-30 Thread Robert 

My favorite was his bunghole method of raising children...

On 6/30/20 8:42 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My WC Fields quote is:
“You are the epitome of feminine pulchritudity”.
(He was good at teaching me vocab)
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2020 8:39 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
Some of my best friends are snakes! WC Fields
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 9:01 AM  wrote:

We live in rattlesnake country.  There is no doubt.
*From:* Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2020 8:35 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
Yeah, they are really good at emulating rattlesnakes by buzzing
their tails against leaves or in your case, the box or tube. A
survival tactic that obviously works well.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 8:28 AM  wrote:

Really?  The intense rattling coming from their tail would
suggest otherwise...
*From:* Sam Lambie
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Western Gopher Snakes. Harmless. Can bite though, but not
poisonous. Don't kill them.
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Jesse DuPont 

  
  
Brocade ICX7750-48F is a solid choice.

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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On 6/30/20 8:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:


  
  EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can
create a VC using the 40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps
interfaces).  You may consider the older EX4550 if you are
trying to save money.

  
  
  I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few
of the CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little
scared to use them, and I'm also not looking forward to the
miserable L2 config on CRS.  I really just need 4-6 SFP+
interfaces for this particular application.
  
  
  The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but
seems to work fine for L2 access (servers, etc).
  
  

  
  
  
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52
  AM Adam Moffett  wrote:


  
Lots of 10gig SFP+
I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can
  stack chassis using the 40gig ports.


On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:


  What interface config are you looking for?
  
  
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020
  at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett 
  wrote:


  
For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter,
  port isolation.standard stuff.
I'm assuming Juniper has software for central
  management?  I poo-poo'd that stuff for a long
  time, but try to push one change out to 300
  Mikrotiks and spending $10k on management software
  starts to look attractive all of a sudden.


On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:


  What featureset do you need?  Just
L2?  Any L3 features?


Juniper EX is my go-to for most
  applications.
  
  
  
On Tue, Jun
  30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
  wrote:

So who's
  your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
  
  Suppose you want to break away from buggy
  Latvian switches, who would 
  you look at today?
  
  Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
  
  
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett 
Well the CRS 3xx line is actually their best so far.  I've noted at 
least 4 ways to set up VLAN's on a Mikrotik and in any given scenario 3 
of them are wrong.  On the 3xx use Bridge->VLAN and enable VLAN 
filtering on your bridge interface.  That is the only platform where the 
bridge VLAN filtering gets hardware acceleration, and if you did that on 
any other model you'd be dependent on the CPU.  For CRS 1xx and 2xx you 
use Switch->VLAN menu which has different options and capabilities.  For 
CCR or any of the other router products you can use bridge->VLAN 
filtering, but there's still an older method under Interface->VLAN which 
also works and you can either add VLAN interfaces to a bridge, or bridge 
the VLAN interfaces together. All of these methods are "right" in the 
right scenario, and 3 out of the 4 are always wrong.


A stack of those CRS317's was an alternate suggestion made here. Four of 
those would cost 1/10th what we'd spend on an EX4600, but I'm kind of 
sick of that whole scene.


If you're in Juniper world and you have two different models, how much 
different is the command syntax to do the same jobs?



On 6/30/2020 10:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC using 
the 40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider 
the older EX4550 if you are trying to save money.


I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the 
CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, 
and I'm also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on CRS.  I 
really just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this particular application.


The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to work 
fine for L2 access (servers, etc).



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Lots of 10gig SFP+

I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack
chassis using the 40gig ports.


On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What interface config are you looking for?

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
isolation.standard stuff.

I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I
poo-poo'd that stuff for a long time, but try to push one
change out to 300 Mikrotiks and spending $10k on management
software starts to look attractive all of a sudden.


On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian
switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Baird 
EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC using the
40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider the older
EX4550 if you are trying to save money.

I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the
CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, and
I'm also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on CRS.  I really
just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this particular application.

The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to work fine
for L2 access (servers, etc).


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> Lots of 10gig SFP+
>
> I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack chassis
> using the 40gig ports.
>
>
> On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> What interface config are you looking for?
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
>> isolation.standard stuff.
>>
>> I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd
>> that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks
>> and spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a
>> sudden.
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?
>>
>> Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>>>
>>> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
>>> you look at today?
>>>
>>> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett 

Lots of 10gig SFP+

I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack chassis 
using the 40gig ports.



On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What interface config are you looking for?

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
isolation.standard stuff.

I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I
poo-poo'd that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change
out to 300 Mikrotiks and spending $10k on management software
starts to look attractive all of a sudden.


On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches,
who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Baird 
What interface config are you looking for?

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
> isolation.standard stuff.
>
> I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd
> that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks
> and spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a
> sudden.
>
>
> On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?
>
> Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>>
>> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
>> you look at today?
>>
>> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett 
For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port 
isolation.standard stuff.


I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd 
that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 
Mikrotiks and spending $10k on management software starts to look 
attractive all of a sudden.



On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

2020-06-30 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
He also claimed he didn't drink water because fish fornicate in
  it.


bp



On 6/30/2020 7:39 AM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  Some of my best friends are snakes! WC Fields
  
  
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 9:01 AM
  
  wrote:


  

  
We live in rattlesnake country.  There is no
  doubt.  

  
 

  From: Sam
  Lambie 
  Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 8:35 AM
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole
Surprise

  
   


  Yeah, they are really good at emulating
rattlesnakes by buzzing their tails against leaves
or in your case, the box or tube. A survival tactic
that obviously works well.
 
  
   
  
On Mon, Jun 29,
  2020 at 8:28 AM 
  wrote:


  

  
Really?  The intense rattling coming
  from their tail would suggest otherwise...

  
 

  From: Sam Lambie
  
  Sent: Monday, June 29,
2020 8:25 AM
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
Hand Hole Surprise

  
   


  Western Gopher Snakes.
Harmless. Can bite though, but not
poisonous. Don't kill them.
 
  
   
  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

2020-06-30 Thread chuck 
My WC Fields quote is:

“You are the epitome of feminine pulchritudity”.

(He was good at teaching me vocab)

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 8:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

Some of my best friends are snakes! WC Fields

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 9:01 AM  wrote:

  We live in rattlesnake country.  There is no doubt.  

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 8:35 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

  Yeah, they are really good at emulating rattlesnakes by buzzing their tails 
against leaves or in your case, the box or tube. A survival tactic that 
obviously works well. 


  On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 8:28 AM  wrote:

Really?  The intense rattling coming from their tail would suggest 
otherwise...

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 8:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

Western Gopher Snakes. Harmless. Can bite though, but not poisonous. Don't 
kill them. 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

2020-06-30 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Some of my best friends are snakes! WC Fields

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 9:01 AM  wrote:

> We live in rattlesnake country.  There is no doubt.
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2020 8:35 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> Yeah, they are really good at emulating rattlesnakes by buzzing their
> tails against leaves or in your case, the box or tube. A survival tactic
> that obviously works well.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 8:28 AM  wrote:
>
>> Really?  The intense rattling coming from their tail would suggest
>> otherwise...
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2020 8:25 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>
>> Western Gopher Snakes. Harmless. Can bite though, but not poisonous.
>> Don't kill them.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Baird 
What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
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[AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett 

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would 
you look at today?


Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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