Re: [AFMUG] OT movie

[Jay Weekley]

Was that about the Killdozier?

Chuck McCown wrote:

Just watched “Tread”. Very interesting.  I got me a bulldozer and a welding 
shop too.  Now, who am I pissed off at?

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[AFMUG] OT movie

[Chuck McCown]

Just watched “Tread”. Very interesting.  I got me a bulldozer and a welding 
shop too.  Now, who am I pissed off at?

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[AFMUG] OT: wonder how many of you will get it

[Jaime Solorza]

My cousin took this picture
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Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer

[Cameron Crum]

Yeah you can send to the email version of the number...just have to
know what carrier so you get the format correct. I've done it both ways.
With Twilio there is a cost. Not sure if you have a deal with an SMS
gateway being a telecom provider. You can find cheaper gateways than
Twilio, but $0.0075 cents per message is pretty reasonable. I think
bandwidth.com is like 0.005 so a little cheaper.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:52 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Not sure about SMS. Guessing you need something like twillio or another
> sms gateway to send sms.
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:43 PM  wrote:
>
>> I think it was smokeping I was thinking of.  Do you know if it can send
>> text messages?
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:13 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer
>>
>> I think a popular one is smokeping. This would be a fairly easy program
>> to write...done it many times. I guess it just depends on if you want
>> something out of the box or more custom.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:02 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> we use https://uptimerobot.com but there's may other's that have
>>> similar services
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I think this has been asked and answered before but I don’t recall the
 answer.
 Like to have a ping running and if it stops then I get a text.  So real
 time ping monitor with text alerts.
 I see things on the google when I look for it but none of the names
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Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer

[Nate Burke]

I've been very happy with Servers Alive.  Just send the alert, or have 
your email server forward the email to your Cell provider Email-> SMS 
gateway.


On 7/29/2020 5:28 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:

We use pingdom if it's an external IP.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM Cameron Crum > wrote:


Not sure about SMS. Guessing you need something like twillio or
another sms gateway to send sms.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:43 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I think it was smokeping I was thinking of.  Do you know if it
can send text messages?
*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:13 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer
I think a popular one is smokeping. This would be a fairly
easy program to write...done it many times. I guess it just
depends on if you want something out of the box or more custom.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:02 PM Sean Heskett 
wrote:

we use https://uptimerobot.com but there's may other's
that have similar services
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM  wrote:

I think this has been asked and answered before but I
don’t recall the answer.
Like to have a ping running and if it stops then I get
a text.  So real time ping monitor with text alerts.
I see things on the google when I look for it but none
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Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer

[Ryan Ray]

We use pingdom if it's an external IP.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Not sure about SMS. Guessing you need something like twillio or another
> sms gateway to send sms.
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:43 PM  wrote:
>
>> I think it was smokeping I was thinking of.  Do you know if it can send
>> text messages?
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:13 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer
>>
>> I think a popular one is smokeping. This would be a fairly easy program
>> to write...done it many times. I guess it just depends on if you want
>> something out of the box or more custom.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:02 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> we use https://uptimerobot.com but there's may other's that have
>>> similar services
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I think this has been asked and answered before but I don’t recall the
 answer.
 Like to have a ping running and if it stops then I get a text.  So real
 time ping monitor with text alerts.
 I see things on the google when I look for it but none of the names
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[chuck]

I wonder if there are usage fees.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

I wonder if Starlink will accommodate people who need an IPv4 public IP, or 
a block of IPs, or reverse DNS so they can run a mailserver, or not to have 
certain ports blocked.


99% of people just want to use streaming video and social media, so the 
remaining 1% end up looking for solutions that cater to 1% of the market. 
That invites high prices without high profits for the providers, and 
everybody's unhappy.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Then it's probably going to have to compete with a starlink solution?

On 07/29/2020 12:19 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yes, but poor speed and of course lousy latency.
*From:* Brian Webster
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:55 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Does the ILEC already have a Satellite ground station? Can’t recall
the details but I remember doing GIS work for the first ARRA award
under the Obama stimulus and it was in Alaska. Rivada Networks rings a
bell but I would have to go digging to be sure. There were a bunch of
remote areas in the state and I think Satellite backhaul was the solution 
of choice.

VSAT terminals I think.

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:18 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

The problem is that they are served by an ILEC.  Considering buying
and upgrading the ILEC...  So starlink does not help with that.

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:12 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

That's above the 40th parallel. Just sell them Starlink. It might be
happening sooner.

bp





On 7/29/2020 9:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on
local servers.

*From:*Colin Stanners

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

"I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is
such a Chuck McCown problem.

That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet:

https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM  wrote:

I did. None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska
but I need to go about 400 miles more.

*From:*Colin Stanners

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that
there isn't already cable nearby?

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners
 wrote:

There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For
a smaller and likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can
try Crosslake fiber. If you want general information on the
undersea industry, I can send a number of informative links.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

Anyone know anyone that is related to placing undersea
cables?  I need a quote for putting in some cable up in
Alaska.  No idea where to start.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[Ken Hohhof]

I wonder if Starlink will accommodate people who need an IPv4 public IP, or a 
block of IPs, or reverse DNS so they can run a mailserver, or not to have 
certain ports blocked.

99% of people just want to use streaming video and social media, so the 
remaining 1% end up looking for solutions that cater to 1% of the market.  That 
invites high prices without high profits for the providers, and everybody's 
unhappy.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Then it's probably going to have to compete with a starlink solution?

On 07/29/2020 12:19 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Yes, but poor speed and of course lousy latency.
> *From:* Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:55 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable
> 
> Does the ILEC already have a Satellite ground station? Can’t recall 
> the details but I remember doing GIS work for the first ARRA award 
> under the Obama stimulus and it was in Alaska. Rivada Networks rings a 
> bell but I would have to go digging to be sure. There were a bunch of 
> remote areas in the state and I think Satellite backhaul was the solution of 
> choice.
> VSAT terminals I think.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Brian Webster
> 
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> 
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:18 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable
> 
> The problem is that they are served by an ILEC.  Considering buying 
> and upgrading the ILEC...  So starlink does not help with that.
> 
> *From:*Bill Prince
> 
> *Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:12 PM
> 
> *To:*af@af.afmug.com
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable
> 
> That's above the 40th parallel. Just sell them Starlink. It might be 
> happening sooner.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> On 7/29/2020 9:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on
> local servers.
> 
> *From:*Colin Stanners
> 
> *Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM
> 
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable
> 
> "I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is
> such a Chuck McCown problem.
> 
> That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet:
> 
> https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
> .
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM  wrote:
> 
> I did. None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska
> but I need to go about 400 miles more.
> 
> *From:*Colin Stanners
> 
> *Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM
> 
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable
> 
> Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and
> https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that
> there isn't already cable nearby?
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners
>  wrote:
> 
> There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For
> a smaller and likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can
> try Crosslake fiber. If you want general information on the
> undersea industry, I can send a number of informative links.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know anyone that is related to placing undersea
> cables?  I need a quote for putting in some cable up in
> Alaska.  No idea where to start.
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Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer

[Cameron Crum]

Not sure about SMS. Guessing you need something like twillio or another sms
gateway to send sms.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:43 PM  wrote:

> I think it was smokeping I was thinking of.  Do you know if it can send
> text messages?
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer
>
> I think a popular one is smokeping. This would be a fairly easy program to
> write...done it many times. I guess it just depends on if you want
> something out of the box or more custom.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:02 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> we use https://uptimerobot.com but there's may other's that have similar
>> services
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I think this has been asked and answered before but I don’t recall the
>>> answer.
>>> Like to have a ping running and if it stops then I get a text.  So real
>>> time ping monitor with text alerts.
>>> I see things on the google when I look for it but none of the names seem
>>> familiar.
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Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer

[Adam Moffett]

It sends emails.  You send an email to the mobile carriers email->sms 
gateway.



On 7/29/2020 4:42 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I think it was smokeping I was thinking of.  Do you know if it can 
send text messages?

*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:13 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer
I think a popular one is smokeping. This would be a fairly easy 
program to write...done it many times. I guess it just depends on if 
you want something out of the box or more custom.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:02 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

we use https://uptimerobot.com but there's may other's that have
similar services
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM  wrote:

I think this has been asked and answered before but I don’t
recall the answer.
Like to have a ping running and if it stops then I get a
text.  So real time ping monitor with text alerts.
I see things on the google when I look for it but none of the
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Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer

[chuck]

I think it was smokeping I was thinking of.  Do you know if it can send text 
messages?

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer

I think a popular one is smokeping. This would be a fairly easy program to 
write...done it many times. I guess it just depends on if you want something 
out of the box or more custom.  


On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:02 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

  we use https://uptimerobot.com but there's may other's that have similar 
services

  On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM  wrote:

I think this has been asked and answered before but I don’t recall the 
answer.
Like to have a ping running and if it stops then I get a text.  So real 
time ping monitor with text alerts. 
I see things on the google when I look for it but none of the names seem 
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Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer

[Cameron Crum]

I think a popular one is smokeping. This would be a fairly easy program to
write...done it many times. I guess it just depends on if you want
something out of the box or more custom.


On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:02 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> we use https://uptimerobot.com but there's may other's that have similar
> services
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM  wrote:
>
>> I think this has been asked and answered before but I don’t recall the
>> answer.
>> Like to have a ping running and if it stops then I get a text.  So real
>> time ping monitor with text alerts.
>> I see things on the google when I look for it but none of the names seem
>> familiar.
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Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer

[Sean Heskett]

we use https://uptimerobot.com but there's may other's that have similar
services

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM  wrote:

> I think this has been asked and answered before but I don’t recall the
> answer.
> Like to have a ping running and if it stops then I get a text.  So real
> time ping monitor with text alerts.
> I see things on the google when I look for it but none of the names seem
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[Mike Hammett]

This project never seemed to get off of the ground. You might be able to reach 
out to the people that engineered it. 




http://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=-174746 







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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




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From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:53:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable 


Yeah, I can't find much of anything over there, without that GCI link that may 
or may not be built. If not... you'd have to find funding to build it yourself 
all of the way back to Kodiak. At that point, you're still at the whims of ACS 
or GCI. GCI bought the independent cable that goes from Kodiak to civilization. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




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From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:17:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable 




The problem is that they are served by an ILEC. Considering buying and 
upgrading the ILEC... So starlink does not help with that. 




From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:12 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable 


That's above the 40th parallel. Just sell them Starlink. It might be happening 
sooner. 
bp
 
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I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on local 
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From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable 



"I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is such a 
Chuck McCown problem. 


That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet: 
https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
 . 


On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I did. None. The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska but I need to 
go about 400 miles more. 




From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable 



Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and 
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that there isn't already 
cable nearby? 



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There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller and 
likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If you want 
general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number of 
informative links. 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[chuck]

That's what I am thinking.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Then it's probably going to have to compete with a starlink solution?

On 07/29/2020 12:19 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yes, but poor speed and of course lousy latency.
*From:* Brian Webster
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:55 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Does the ILEC already have a Satellite ground station? Can’t recall the 
details but I remember doing GIS work for the first ARRA award under the 
Obama stimulus and it was in Alaska. Rivada Networks rings a bell but I 
would have to go digging to be sure. There were a bunch of remote areas in 
the state and I think Satellite backhaul was the solution of choice. VSAT 
terminals I think.


Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:18 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

The problem is that they are served by an ILEC.  Considering buying and 
upgrading the ILEC...  So starlink does not help with that.


*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:12 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

That's above the 40th parallel. Just sell them Starlink. It might be 
happening sooner.


bp




On 7/29/2020 9:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on
local servers.

*From:*Colin Stanners

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

"I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is
such a Chuck McCown problem.

That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet:

https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM  wrote:

I did. None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska
but I need to go about 400 miles more.

*From:*Colin Stanners

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that
there isn't already cable nearby?

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners
 wrote:

There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For
a smaller and likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can
try Crosslake fiber. If you want general information on the
undersea industry, I can send a number of informative links.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

Anyone know anyone that is related to placing undersea
cables?  I need a quote for putting in some cable up in
Alaska.  No idea where to start.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[chuck]

100+ mile hops with island repeaters that don’t even have a place to land a 
boat.  Not a great candidate for solar etc.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Too difficult for microwave?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 3:19 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

Yes, but poor speed and of course lousy latency. 

 

From: Brian Webster 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:55 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

Does the ILEC already have a Satellite ground station? Can’t recall the details 
but I remember doing GIS work for the first ARRA award under the Obama stimulus 
and it was in Alaska. Rivada Networks rings a bell but I would have to go 
digging to be sure. There were a bunch of remote areas in the state and I think 
Satellite backhaul was the solution of choice. VSAT terminals I think.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

The problem is that they are served by an ILEC.  Considering buying and 
upgrading the ILEC...  So starlink does not help with that.

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:12 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

That's above the 40th parallel. Just sell them Starlink. It might be happening 
sooner.

 

bp On 7/29/2020 9:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on local 
servers.  

   

  From: Colin Stanners 

  Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

   

  "I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is such a 
Chuck McCown problem.

   

  That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet: 
https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
 .

   

  On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM  wrote:

I did.  None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska but I 
need to go about 400 miles more.  

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and 
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that there isn't already 
cable nearby?

 

 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

  There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller 
and likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If you 
want general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number of 
informative links. 

   

  On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

Anyone know anyone that is related to placing undersea cables?  I need 
a quote for putting in some cable up in Alaska.  No idea where to start.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[Mike Hammett]

Yeah, I can't find much of anything over there, without that GCI link that may 
or may not be built. If not... you'd have to find funding to build it yourself 
all of the way back to Kodiak. At that point, you're still at the whims of ACS 
or GCI. GCI bought the independent cable that goes from Kodiak to civilization. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:17:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable 




The problem is that they are served by an ILEC. Considering buying and 
upgrading the ILEC... So starlink does not help with that. 




From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:12 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable 


That's above the 40th parallel. Just sell them Starlink. It might be happening 
sooner. 
bp
 
On 7/29/2020 9:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 





I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on local 
servers. 




From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable 



"I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is such a 
Chuck McCown problem. 


That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet: 
https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
 . 


On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I did. None. The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska but I need to 
go about 400 miles more. 




From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable 



Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and 
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that there isn't already 
cable nearby? 



On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners < cstann...@gmail.com > wrote: 



There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller and 
likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If you want 
general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number of 
informative links. 



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[AFMUG] can't remember the answer

[chuck]

I think this has been asked and answered before but I don’t recall the answer.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[Robert Andrews]

Then it's probably going to have to compete with a starlink solution?

On 07/29/2020 12:19 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yes, but poor speed and of course lousy latency.
*From:* Brian Webster
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:55 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Does the ILEC already have a Satellite ground station? Can’t recall the 
details but I remember doing GIS work for the first ARRA award under the 
Obama stimulus and it was in Alaska. Rivada Networks rings a bell but I 
would have to go digging to be sure. There were a bunch of remote areas 
in the state and I think Satellite backhaul was the solution of choice. 
VSAT terminals I think.


Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:18 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

The problem is that they are served by an ILEC.  Considering buying and 
upgrading the ILEC...  So starlink does not help with that.


*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:12 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

That's above the 40th parallel. Just sell them Starlink. It might be 
happening sooner.


bp



  


On 7/29/2020 9:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on
local servers.

*From:*Colin Stanners

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

"I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is
such a Chuck McCown problem.

That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet:

https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM  wrote:

I did. None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska
but I need to go about 400 miles more.

*From:*Colin Stanners

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that
there isn't already cable nearby?

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners
 wrote:

There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For
a smaller and likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can
try Crosslake fiber. If you want general information on the
undersea industry, I can send a number of informative links.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

Anyone know anyone that is related to placing undersea
cables?  I need a quote for putting in some cable up in
Alaska.  No idea where to start.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[Brian Webster]

Too difficult for microwave?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 3:19 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

Yes, but poor speed and of course lousy latency. 

 

From: Brian Webster 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:55 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

Does the ILEC already have a Satellite ground station? Can’t recall the details 
but I remember doing GIS work for the first ARRA award under the Obama stimulus 
and it was in Alaska. Rivada Networks rings a bell but I would have to go 
digging to be sure. There were a bunch of remote areas in the state and I think 
Satellite backhaul was the solution of choice. VSAT terminals I think.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

The problem is that they are served by an ILEC.  Considering buying and 
upgrading the ILEC...  So starlink does not help with that.

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:12 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

That's above the 40th parallel. Just sell them Starlink. It might be happening 
sooner.

 

bp

 

On 7/29/2020 9:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on local 
servers.  

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

"I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is such a 
Chuck McCown problem.

 

That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet: 
https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
 .

 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM  wrote:

I did.  None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska but I need to 
go about 400 miles more.  

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and 
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that there isn't already 
cable nearby?

 

 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller and 
likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If you want 
general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number of 
informative links. 

 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

Anyone know anyone that is related to placing undersea cables?  I need a quote 
for putting in some cable up in Alaska.  No idea where to start.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[chuck]

Yes, but poor speed and of course lousy latency. 

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:55 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Does the ILEC already have a Satellite ground station? Can’t recall the details 
but I remember doing GIS work for the first ARRA award under the Obama stimulus 
and it was in Alaska. Rivada Networks rings a bell but I would have to go 
digging to be sure. There were a bunch of remote areas in the state and I think 
Satellite backhaul was the solution of choice. VSAT terminals I think.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

The problem is that they are served by an ILEC.  Considering buying and 
upgrading the ILEC...  So starlink does not help with that.

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:12 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

That's above the 40th parallel. Just sell them Starlink. It might be happening 
sooner.

 

bp On 7/29/2020 9:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on local 
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  From: Colin Stanners 

  Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

   

  "I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is such a 
Chuck McCown problem.

   

  That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet: 
https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
 .

   

  On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM  wrote:

I did.  None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska but I 
need to go about 400 miles more.  

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and 
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that there isn't already 
cable nearby?

 

 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

  There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller 
and likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If you 
want general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number of 
informative links. 

   

  On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

Anyone know anyone that is related to placing undersea cables?  I need 
a quote for putting in some cable up in Alaska.  No idea where to start.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[Brian Webster]

Does the ILEC already have a Satellite ground station? Can’t recall the details 
but I remember doing GIS work for the first ARRA award under the Obama stimulus 
and it was in Alaska. Rivada Networks rings a bell but I would have to go 
digging to be sure. There were a bunch of remote areas in the state and I think 
Satellite backhaul was the solution of choice. VSAT terminals I think.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

The problem is that they are served by an ILEC.  Considering buying and 
upgrading the ILEC...  So starlink does not help with that.

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:12 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

That's above the 40th parallel. Just sell them Starlink. It might be happening 
sooner.

 

bp

 

On 7/29/2020 9:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on local 
servers.  

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

"I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is such a 
Chuck McCown problem.

 

That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet: 
https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
 .

 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM  wrote:

I did.  None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska but I need to 
go about 400 miles more.  

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and 
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that there isn't already 
cable nearby?

 

 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller and 
likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If you want 
general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number of 
informative links. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[chuck]

The problem is that they are served by an ILEC.  Considering buying and 
upgrading the ILEC...  So starlink does not help with that.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

That's above the 40th parallel. Just sell them Starlink. It might be happening 
sooner.



bp


On 7/29/2020 9:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on local 
servers.  

  From: Colin Stanners 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

  "I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is such a 
Chuck McCown problem.


  That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet: 
https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
 .

  On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM  wrote:

I did.  None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska but I 
need to go about 400 miles more.  

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and 
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that there isn't already 
cable nearby?


On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

  There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller 
and likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If you 
want general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number of 
informative links. 


  On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

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a quote for putting in some cable up in Alaska.  No idea where to start.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That's above the 40th parallel. Just sell them Starlink. It might
  be happening sooner.


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  wrote:


  
  

  I may just build a large server farm and recreate the
internet on local servers.  
  

   
  
From: Colin
Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable
  

 
  
  

  "I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute
nowhere, AK" is such a Chuck McCown problem.
  
   
  That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet: https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
.

 

  On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at
11:38 AM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  I did.  None.  The USDA is working to get a
fiber out to Unalaska but I need to go about 400
miles more.  
  

   
  
From: Colin Stanners

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020
  10:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea
  cable
  

 
  
  

  Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/
and https://www.infrapedia.com/
(needs login) to make sure that there isn't
already cable nearby?
   

 

  On Wed, Jul
29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners 
wrote:
  
  
There are big companies like
  Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller
  and likely easier-to-speak-with company,
  you can try Crosslake fiber. If you want
  general information on the undersea
  industry, I can send a number of
  informative links. 

 

  On Wed,
Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM 
wrote:
  
  

  

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related to placing undersea
cables?  I need a quote for
putting in some cable up in
Alaska.  No idea where to start.

  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[Ken Hohhof]

 

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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on local 
servers.  

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

"I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is such a 
Chuck McCown problem.

 

That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet: 
https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
 .

 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I did.  None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska but I need to 
go about 400 miles more.  

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

 

Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and 
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that there isn't already 
cable nearby?

 

 

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There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller and 
likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If you want 
general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number of 
informative links. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

[Mark Radabaugh]

SFG is important even in GAA.

If the SAS has to move you to a new channel (a process that isn’t clear what 
the automated mechanism is for doing that) it MUST move all of the CBSD’s 
(including CPE-CBSD’s) that are in the same SFG.   

If the SAS tries to coordinate a move but doesn’t take into account that all of 
the CPE (or SM’s) in that SFG need to also receive a new grant on that 
frequency it will make a complete hash of the CPE.

Mark

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> With or without PAL?
>  
> If you’re GAA, I don’t think they care how you reuse or duplicate frequencies 
> between your own sectors or with adjacent GAA users.  I think you’re giving 
> the SAS too much credit for policing or coordinating frequency assignments 
> among GAA users.  As long as you’re not stepping on an incumbent or a PAL 
> protection area, I think they’ll give you a grant for whatever frequency you 
> want.
>  
> PAL holders will probably need to work this out though.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:08 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>  
> Is current SAS supporting SFG? if not, how will one reuse frequency now?
>  
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:19 PM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
>> There are several variants:
>>  
>> Single Frequency Groups (SFG) are multiple CBSD’s that all operate on the 
>> same frequency. If you are going WTF - of course the base station and 
>> the CPE’s are all a single frequency group - keep in mind that in the mobile 
>> world the handsets are not CBSD’s.   For our purposes each BS and all of 
>> it’s CPE’s have to be in a single frequency group.  This is also for 
>> frequency reuse - if you use channels A, B, C on your network and reuse them 
>> in some type of pattern you would designate all of the A’s in one SFG, B’s 
>> in another, etc.   If a SFG has to change channels they all have to change 
>> together.
>>  
>> Coexistence groups would be systems where timing parameters match.   Think 
>> multiple operators running LTE or a proprietary protocol on a common UL:DL 
>> ratio.   Not all use cases want to use the same UL:DL ratio.
>>  
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> As far as the SAS is concerned, it's all irrelevant.
>>> 
>>> They were talking about coexistence groups where a group of operators could 
>>> have overlapping assignments because the operators are using some mechanism 
>>> to coexist in the channels assigned. I don't know if those made it to the 
>>> end, nor what form they've taken.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>>   
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>>   
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> From: "Matt Hoppes" >> >
>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> >
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:11:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>>> 
>>> Not at all. If I am running the same standard as someone else and the same 
>>> split then I can synchronize with them and we aren’t going to interfere 
>>> even if we’re relatively close. If on the other hand we are not running the 
>>> same standards in the same split then we are going to interfere with each 
>>> other even if we are very far away from each other.
>>>  
 On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Mike Hammett >>> > wrote:
 
 
 The standards and settings are irrelevant. Tx power - loss = receive power.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
   
  
  
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
   
  
 
 The Brothers WISP 
  
 
 
  
 From: "Matt Hoppes" >>> >
 To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[chuck]

I may just build a large server farm and recreate the internet on local 
servers.  

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

"I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is such a 
Chuck McCown problem.


That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet: 
https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
 .

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM  wrote:

  I did.  None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska but I need 
to go about 400 miles more.  

  From: Colin Stanners 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

  Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and 
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that there isn't already 
cable nearby?


  On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller and 
likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If you want 
general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number of 
informative links. 


On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

  Anyone know anyone that is related to placing undersea cables?  I need a 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[Colin Stanners]

"I need to get fiber 400 miles further than absolute nowhere, AK" is such a
Chuck McCown problem.

That Unalaska fiber may not be happening yet:
https://www.kucb.org/post/will-fiber-optic-broadband-make-it-aleutians-decision-may-rely-usda-grant
.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:38 AM  wrote:

> I did.  None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska but I
> need to go about 400 miles more.
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable
>
> Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and
> https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that there isn't
> already cable nearby?
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller
>> and likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If
>> you want general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number
>> of informative links.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know anyone that is related to placing undersea cables?  I need a
>>> quote for putting in some cable up in Alaska.  No idea where to start.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[chuck]

I did.  None.  The USDA is working to get a fiber out to Unalaska but I need to 
go about 400 miles more.  

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and 
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that there isn't already 
cable nearby?


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  There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller and 
likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If you want 
general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number of 
informative links. 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[Colin Stanners]

Also, did you check with https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ and
https://www.infrapedia.com/ (needs login) to make sure that there isn't
already cable nearby?


On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:07 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> There are big companies like Alcatel Submarine networks. For a smaller and
> likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If you
> want general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number of
> informative links.
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:
>
>> Anyone know anyone that is related to placing undersea cables?  I need a
>> quote for putting in some cable up in Alaska.  No idea where to start.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Know anyone at Google? I read somewhere just the other day
  they're putting a new undersea cable between the US and UK. I
  presume just for them, but others may be involved.


bp



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Undersea cable

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likely easier-to-speak-with company, you can try Crosslake fiber. If you
want general information on the undersea industry, I can send a number of
informative links.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

> Anyone know anyone that is related to placing undersea cables?  I need a
> quote for putting in some cable up in Alaska.  No idea where to start.
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Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

[Steve Jones]

Wait, the lower 100 only denys grants if it impala a pal or the elusive
incumbent? I thought SAS coordination was across the board in that CBRS
chunk?

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:06 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If you don’t have a PAL, you are GAA, anywhere in the 150 MHz.  The only
> difference is that the upper 50 MHz is GAA only.  If you request a
> frequency in 3650-3700 you would never get denied to protect a PAL
> operator.  But there could be umpteen other GAA operators using that
> frequency, so I don’t think the SAS needs to consider things like frequency
> reuse because they just automatically approve the grant unless it would
> impact a PAL protection area or an incumbent.  Also there can be a max of 7
> PALs issued in a county, so there should be at least 30 MHz for GAA in the
> lower 100 MHz.  Not a specific set of channels though.  But again, there
> could be umpteen WISPs all trying to use that 30 MHz and I don’t think the
> SASes do anything to police or coordinate GAA.  Even in the case where
> there is enough GAA spectrum in an area to accommodate everyone on separate
> frequencies, I don’t see how they would communicate this to the operators,
> since they either approve or deny grant requests, they don’t suggest gee
> why don’t you use this other frequency instead, it’s open.  You have to do
> your own SA to determine that.  And repeat regularly.  Even if there was a
> mechanism in the protocols to request auto frequency assignment from the
> SAS, there’s more than one SAS.
>
>
>
> It’s a very complex system that doesn’t do much if everyone is GAA.  Other
> than give us some more spectrum, and do away with LBT (which sucked).
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>
>
>
> there are only 50mhz gaa, im talking about the other 100 operation without
> pal
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:54 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> With or without PAL?
>
>
>
> If you’re GAA, I don’t think they care how you reuse or duplicate
> frequencies between your own sectors or with adjacent GAA users.  I think
> you’re giving the SAS too much credit for policing or coordinating
> frequency assignments among GAA users.  As long as you’re not stepping on
> an incumbent or a PAL protection area, I think they’ll give you a grant for
> whatever frequency you want.
>
>
>
> PAL holders will probably need to work this out though.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:08 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>
>
>
> Is current SAS supporting SFG? if not, how will one reuse frequency now?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:19 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> There are several variants:
>
>
>
> Single Frequency Groups (SFG) are multiple CBSD’s that all operate on the
> same frequency. If you are going WTF - of course the base station and
> the CPE’s are all a single frequency group - keep in mind that in the
> mobile world the handsets are not CBSD’s.   For our purposes each BS and
> all of it’s CPE’s have to be in a single frequency group.  This is also for
> frequency reuse - if you use channels A, B, C on your network and reuse
> them in some type of pattern you would designate all of the A’s in one SFG,
> B’s in another, etc.   If a SFG has to change channels they all have to
> change together.
>
>
>
> Coexistence groups would be systems where timing parameters match.   Think
> multiple operators running LTE or a proprietary protocol on a common UL:DL
> ratio.   Not all use cases want to use the same UL:DL ratio.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>
>
> As far as the SAS is concerned, it's all irrelevant.
>
> They were talking about coexistence groups where a group of operators
> could have overlapping assignments because the operators are using some
> mechanism to coexist in the channels assigned. I don't know if those made
> it to the end, nor what form they've taken.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:11:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>
> Not at all. If I am running the same standard as 

Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

[Ken Hohhof]

If you don’t have a PAL, you are GAA, anywhere in the 150 MHz.  The only 
difference is that the upper 50 MHz is GAA only.  If you request a frequency in 
3650-3700 you would never get denied to protect a PAL operator.  But there 
could be umpteen other GAA operators using that frequency, so I don’t think the 
SAS needs to consider things like frequency reuse because they just 
automatically approve the grant unless it would impact a PAL protection area or 
an incumbent.  Also there can be a max of 7 PALs issued in a county, so there 
should be at least 30 MHz for GAA in the lower 100 MHz.  Not a specific set of 
channels though.  But again, there could be umpteen WISPs all trying to use 
that 30 MHz and I don’t think the SASes do anything to police or coordinate 
GAA.  Even in the case where there is enough GAA spectrum in an area to 
accommodate everyone on separate frequencies, I don’t see how they would 
communicate this to the operators, since they either approve or deny grant 
requests, they don’t suggest gee why don’t you use this other frequency 
instead, it’s open.  You have to do your own SA to determine that.  And repeat 
regularly.  Even if there was a mechanism in the protocols to request auto 
frequency assignment from the SAS, there’s more than one SAS.

 

It’s a very complex system that doesn’t do much if everyone is GAA.  Other than 
give us some more spectrum, and do away with LBT (which sucked).

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

 

there are only 50mhz gaa, im talking about the other 100 operation without pal

 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:54 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

With or without PAL?

 

If you’re GAA, I don’t think they care how you reuse or duplicate frequencies 
between your own sectors or with adjacent GAA users.  I think you’re giving the 
SAS too much credit for policing or coordinating frequency assignments among 
GAA users.  As long as you’re not stepping on an incumbent or a PAL protection 
area, I think they’ll give you a grant for whatever frequency you want.

 

PAL holders will probably need to work this out though.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:08 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

 

Is current SAS supporting SFG? if not, how will one reuse frequency now?

 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:19 PM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

There are several variants:

 

Single Frequency Groups (SFG) are multiple CBSD’s that all operate on the same 
frequency. If you are going WTF - of course the base station and the CPE’s 
are all a single frequency group - keep in mind that in the mobile world the 
handsets are not CBSD’s.   For our purposes each BS and all of it’s CPE’s have 
to be in a single frequency group.  This is also for frequency reuse - if you 
use channels A, B, C on your network and reuse them in some type of pattern you 
would designate all of the A’s in one SFG, B’s in another, etc.   If a SFG has 
to change channels they all have to change together.

 

Coexistence groups would be systems where timing parameters match.   Think 
multiple operators running LTE or a proprietary protocol on a common UL:DL 
ratio.   Not all use cases want to use the same UL:DL ratio.

 

Mark

 

On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

 

As far as the SAS is concerned, it's all irrelevant.

They were talking about coexistence groups where a group of operators could 
have overlapping assignments because the operators are using some mechanism to 
coexist in the channels assigned. I don't know if those made it to the end, nor 
what form they've taken.



-
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From: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

Not at all. If I am running the same standard as someone else and the same 
split then I can synchronize with them and we aren’t going to interfere even if 
we’re relatively close. If on the other hand we are not running the same 
standards in the 

Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

[Steve Jones]

there are only 50mhz gaa, im talking about the other 100 operation without
pal

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:54 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> With or without PAL?
>
>
>
> If you’re GAA, I don’t think they care how you reuse or duplicate
> frequencies between your own sectors or with adjacent GAA users.  I think
> you’re giving the SAS too much credit for policing or coordinating
> frequency assignments among GAA users.  As long as you’re not stepping on
> an incumbent or a PAL protection area, I think they’ll give you a grant for
> whatever frequency you want.
>
>
>
> PAL holders will probably need to work this out though.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:08 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>
>
>
> Is current SAS supporting SFG? if not, how will one reuse frequency now?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:19 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> There are several variants:
>
>
>
> Single Frequency Groups (SFG) are multiple CBSD’s that all operate on the
> same frequency. If you are going WTF - of course the base station and
> the CPE’s are all a single frequency group - keep in mind that in the
> mobile world the handsets are not CBSD’s.   For our purposes each BS and
> all of it’s CPE’s have to be in a single frequency group.  This is also for
> frequency reuse - if you use channels A, B, C on your network and reuse
> them in some type of pattern you would designate all of the A’s in one SFG,
> B’s in another, etc.   If a SFG has to change channels they all have to
> change together.
>
>
>
> Coexistence groups would be systems where timing parameters match.   Think
> multiple operators running LTE or a proprietary protocol on a common UL:DL
> ratio.   Not all use cases want to use the same UL:DL ratio.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>
>
> As far as the SAS is concerned, it's all irrelevant.
>
> They were talking about coexistence groups where a group of operators
> could have overlapping assignments because the operators are using some
> mechanism to coexist in the channels assigned. I don't know if those made
> it to the end, nor what form they've taken.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:11:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>
> Not at all. If I am running the same standard as someone else and the same
> split then I can synchronize with them and we aren’t going to interfere
> even if we’re relatively close. If on the other hand we are not running the
> same standards in the same split then we are going to interfere with each
> other even if we are very far away from each other.
>
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> 
>
> The standards and settings are irrelevant. Tx power - loss = receive power.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:55:27 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>
> How does the SASI sure there will be no interference? Since you can run so
> many different standards and settings?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Yep, and anyone not operating in cbrs without SAS gets big dollar
> reminders to stop
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 3:59 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Josh,
>
>
>
> You will have interference protection through the SAS so that someone just
> can't blindly fire up right on top of your channel right next to you. Every
> AP has to get a grant from SAS before it can transmit. Also if 

Re: [AFMUG] identify mystery radios

[Ken Hohhof]

Thanks, that’s the one I was thinking of.  But it’s not them.  I got an email 
offlist from the WISP that installed the radios in question.  They are indeed 
Cambium PTP550e and Baicells LTE, as correctly identified by people on this 
list.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] identify mystery radios

 

Ken, the Wisp in Ohio if you are referring to "Watch" put up a Ericson 3ghz LTE 
system the next county over from me.

 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 5:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If the backhaul is a PTP550e, I hope they aren’t kidding themselves that they 
can find 2 x 80 MHz channels clear in 5 GHz, not in the area where this was 
just installed.

 

I wonder if this is the telco/WISP out of Ohio that won a whole bunch of CAF II 
money in multiple states.  The configuration doesn’t look like any of the usual 
suspects around here.

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] identify mystery radios

 

Sure looks like Baicells with that bracket.  Almost certainly a 65* KPPA sector 
- I'm looking at one behind me.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 4:23 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think the backhaul is a Cambium PTP 550e.

AP could be Baicells.but lots of them have that general fin heat spreader 
shape on one side.

 

 

On 7/28/2020 4:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Does anybody recognize these radios, either the sector or the backhauls?  The 
dishes appear to be Ubiquiti, and the sector antenna appears to be KP 
Performance.  But I don’t recognize any of the radios.

 

Is that sector a CBRS LTE basestation?  Unfortunately I couldn’t get a view of 
the front side of the radio, which might have a logo.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

[Ken Hohhof]

With or without PAL?

 

If you’re GAA, I don’t think they care how you reuse or duplicate frequencies 
between your own sectors or with adjacent GAA users.  I think you’re giving the 
SAS too much credit for policing or coordinating frequency assignments among 
GAA users.  As long as you’re not stepping on an incumbent or a PAL protection 
area, I think they’ll give you a grant for whatever frequency you want.

 

PAL holders will probably need to work this out though.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:08 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

 

Is current SAS supporting SFG? if not, how will one reuse frequency now?

 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:19 PM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

There are several variants:

 

Single Frequency Groups (SFG) are multiple CBSD’s that all operate on the same 
frequency. If you are going WTF - of course the base station and the CPE’s 
are all a single frequency group - keep in mind that in the mobile world the 
handsets are not CBSD’s.   For our purposes each BS and all of it’s CPE’s have 
to be in a single frequency group.  This is also for frequency reuse - if you 
use channels A, B, C on your network and reuse them in some type of pattern you 
would designate all of the A’s in one SFG, B’s in another, etc.   If a SFG has 
to change channels they all have to change together.

 

Coexistence groups would be systems where timing parameters match.   Think 
multiple operators running LTE or a proprietary protocol on a common UL:DL 
ratio.   Not all use cases want to use the same UL:DL ratio.

 

Mark





On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

 

As far as the SAS is concerned, it's all irrelevant.

They were talking about coexistence groups where a group of operators could 
have overlapping assignments because the operators are using some mechanism to 
coexist in the channels assigned. I don't know if those made it to the end, nor 
what form they've taken.



-
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





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From: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

Not at all. If I am running the same standard as someone else and the same 
split then I can synchronize with them and we aren’t going to interfere even if 
we’re relatively close. If on the other hand we are not running the same 
standards in the same split then we are going to interfere with each other even 
if we are very far away from each other.

 

On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:



The standards and settings are irrelevant. Tx power - loss = receive power.



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From: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:55:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

How does the SASI sure there will be no interference? Since you can run so many 
different standards and settings?

 

 

 

On Jul 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Yep, and anyone not operating in cbrs without SAS gets big dollar reminders to 
stop

 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 3:59 PM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Josh,

 

You will have interference protection through the SAS so that someone just 
can't blindly fire up right on top of your channel right next to you. Every AP 
has to get a grant from SAS before it can transmit. Also if Demand says 15 
there is no way to tell if that is 15 individual bidders or if 4-5 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Angry Salespersons

[Gino A. Villarini]

Lewis,
Whats the cost structure for the sales automation ?


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From: AF  on behalf of Lewis Bergman 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 10:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Angry Salespersons

What companies are you seeing use this? The reason I ask is we employ a 
marketing company for our hosted VoIP that uses what they describe as a 
"pipeline" and they reach out, using LinkedIn I think mostly as a resource" in 
a series of emails. I would hope they aren't aggressive and would remove anyone 
that asked not to be contacted. I believe the automation behind this is 
HubSpot. I have someone working with the marketing company on messaging. By the 
description of the process I think all the emails have to be manually input and 
put in some kind of order for this pipeline thing to work.

My understanding is for us they have 2 streams or pipelines. One is for a "yeah 
I am interested" response. The other is for "No thanks" responses.
We use a company called Pacific Marketing (I think). I don't know if they 
pretend to be us or not.

I would be really interested in hearing more detailed attitudes about this. My 
people tell me it is working really well and there are closed deals to prove it 
is working to some extent but I don't really want to make people angry.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:19 AM Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
It seems I've noted a trend with Cold Email sales, People trying to sell
me stuff that email me out of the blue.  It seems mainly like cloud VoIP
Providers.  Since they are cold emails, I never reply to them.

They usually send some sort of Poem as the first email, with like a 'I'm
just checking in to see how you are dealing with Covid'.  Then each
subsequent email is a reply to the first email with the previous emails
quoted, and the language get's progressively harsher.  After 4 or 5
emails over 2 or 3 months, They're basically like "Buy my stuff or you
are a bad person and I will come find you"  I never bought a car in the
70's but I understand this is kinda how it was.  For me it does nothing
other than to make sure I never associate with that company.  I've only
noticed this trend in the last couple months.  Is this a new Sales
tactic that is being pushed by some sales guru?  It just seems like a
strange way to try to make a sale, especially a business to business
sale.  I'm not sure why you'd try high pressure sales when you're the
one that came to me, and I really don't need you.

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Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

[Steve Jones]

Is current SAS supporting SFG? if not, how will one reuse frequency now?

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:19 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> There are several variants:
>
> Single Frequency Groups (SFG) are multiple CBSD’s that all operate on the
> same frequency. If you are going WTF - of course the base station and
> the CPE’s are all a single frequency group - keep in mind that in the
> mobile world the handsets are not CBSD’s.   For our purposes each BS and
> all of it’s CPE’s have to be in a single frequency group.  This is also for
> frequency reuse - if you use channels A, B, C on your network and reuse
> them in some type of pattern you would designate all of the A’s in one SFG,
> B’s in another, etc.   If a SFG has to change channels they all have to
> change together.
>
> Coexistence groups would be systems where timing parameters match.   Think
> multiple operators running LTE or a proprietary protocol on a common UL:DL
> ratio.   Not all use cases want to use the same UL:DL ratio.
>
> Mark
>
> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> As far as the SAS is concerned, it's all irrelevant.
>
> They were talking about coexistence groups where a group of operators
> could have overlapping assignments because the operators are using some
> mechanism to coexist in the channels assigned. I don't know if those made
> it to the end, nor what form they've taken.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:11:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>
> Not at all. If I am running the same standard as someone else and the same
> split then I can synchronize with them and we aren’t going to interfere
> even if we’re relatively close. If on the other hand we are not running the
> same standards in the same split then we are going to interfere with each
> other even if we are very far away from each other.
>
> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
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> The standards and settings are irrelevant. Tx power - loss = receive power.
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> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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> Midwest Internet Exchange 
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> The Brothers WISP 
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> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:55:27 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>
> How does the SASI sure there will be no interference? Since you can run so
> many different standards and settings?
>
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
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> Yep, and anyone not operating in cbrs without SAS gets big dollar
> reminders to stop
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 3:59 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
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>> Josh,
>>
>> You will have interference protection through the SAS so that someone
>> just can't blindly fire up right on top of your channel right next to you.
>> Every AP has to get a grant from SAS before it can transmit. Also if Demand
>> says 15 there is no way to tell if that is 15 individual bidders or if 4-5
>> bidders are trying to bid on 4x10mhz channels each. We will know when the
>> auction is over more info but while the auction is taking place everything
>> is a secret.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 4:09 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well if you do licensed PTP links it seems you don't get any kind of
>>> interference protection if someone else doesn't play by the rules and they
>>> don't get any punishment for doing so...
>>>
>>> If you think CBRS will give you interference free protection I'd love to
>>> know you do because I don't feel that's going to be a game changer for
>>> hitting customers.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 3:42