Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Steve Jones]

Rotflmao, and let the games begin

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/12/11/house-democrat-calls-to-exclude-126-republicans-from-next-congress-for-supporting-texas-lawsuit/

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:45 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> The guy with the phat bling
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Who are the left of which you speak?  Do they walk among us?
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: A picture containing person, person Description automatically
>> generated]
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 11:23 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>>
>>
>>
>> Hence the next statement in what I said
>>
>> There hasnt been any ruling, so there isnt any finality. There needs to
>> be finality. Scotus action today is just going to drag this thing out.
>> Until they do their job, hear the case, rule against the states, the
>> propensity for violence increases daily. And I'm not just talking about
>> secessionists.
>>
>> At least the next 2 years wont be anything like the left over the last
>> four still calling Clinton madame president and screaming at the sky. The
>> right will either pop off or move on. More likely to move on if the scotus
>> does their job and rules on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a real good forecast for starlink, the left lives funding a monopoly
>> they back. I'll bet scotus rules on that within 3 years, they wont claim
>> it's not in their wheelhouse
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 9:54 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Appeal to whom?  God?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins:
>>
>> In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a
>>
>> bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original
>>
>> jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___
>>
>> (Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore
>>
>> grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not
>>
>> grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll break this down for bill and jaime to understand. The case itself is
>> in the purview of SCOTUS. By not hearing it (and issuing a negative ruling
>> on the merits, as the tone reflects) the issue would have been ended, also
>> likely ending the other pending cases. All theyve done now is created a
>> mechanism to appeal or refile, and refile, and refile. Irrelevant of the
>> 14th december , the 3rd, or the 20th of January.
>>
>>
>>
>> You have two choices when your kids are fighting (you're kids are always
>> your jurisdiction) you can tell the "I dont want to hear it" and spend the
>> next few days listening to them bicker.
>>
>> Or you can have them tell you their gripes, then tell them to fuck off
>> with a descriptive reason why, with clarity that if it comes before you
>> again, the hand of god will strike them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ultimately both outcomes are the same (they get sidetracked and move on
>> to the next shiny object) only one is clear, and one leaves the door open
>> for endless stupidity.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 8:26 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Read the dissent, it's a lot less elementary school than "nyah nyah
>> pbthhh" and sticking fingers in the air
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 7:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> If I was on the court (and to be clear, I am not, nor do I want to be), I
>> would have denied the case with prejudice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Time for the followers of Trumpianity to find another church, and face
>> reality.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>>
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

[Steve Jones]

Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a
year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use.
2500 a year for the data center if I read it right

I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly
ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource
and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum.

Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the
linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution.

This just stinks, I had my centos process down.

Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep
patching and saying they mean it this time for years?




On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta instead of
> RHEL day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a
> production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or there’s Fedora.
> I believe Preseem runs on Fedora.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
>
>
> Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
> I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?
>
> I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there
> major differences to it?
>
> I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its
> > tombstoned in 2021?
> >
> > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my
> > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
> >
> > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended
> > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the
> OS?
>
>
> It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if
> that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was
> because it was rebuilt RHEL.
>
> I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became
> obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants
> before bringing fixes into their commercial version.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Steve Jones]

The guy with the phat bling

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Who are the left of which you speak?  Do they walk among us?
>
>
>
> [image: A picture containing person, person Description automatically
> generated]
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 11:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
>
>
> Hence the next statement in what I said
>
> There hasnt been any ruling, so there isnt any finality. There needs to be
> finality. Scotus action today is just going to drag this thing out. Until
> they do their job, hear the case, rule against the states, the propensity
> for violence increases daily. And I'm not just talking about secessionists.
>
> At least the next 2 years wont be anything like the left over the last
> four still calling Clinton madame president and screaming at the sky. The
> right will either pop off or move on. More likely to move on if the scotus
> does their job and rules on it.
>
>
>
> It's a real good forecast for starlink, the left lives funding a monopoly
> they back. I'll bet scotus rules on that within 3 years, they wont claim
> it's not in their wheelhouse
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 9:54 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> Appeal to whom?  God?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins:
>
> In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a
>
> bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original
>
> jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___
>
> (Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore
>
> grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not
>
> grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.
>
>
>
> I'll break this down for bill and jaime to understand. The case itself is
> in the purview of SCOTUS. By not hearing it (and issuing a negative ruling
> on the merits, as the tone reflects) the issue would have been ended, also
> likely ending the other pending cases. All theyve done now is created a
> mechanism to appeal or refile, and refile, and refile. Irrelevant of the
> 14th december , the 3rd, or the 20th of January.
>
>
>
> You have two choices when your kids are fighting (you're kids are always
> your jurisdiction) you can tell the "I dont want to hear it" and spend the
> next few days listening to them bicker.
>
> Or you can have them tell you their gripes, then tell them to fuck off
> with a descriptive reason why, with clarity that if it comes before you
> again, the hand of god will strike them.
>
>
>
> Ultimately both outcomes are the same (they get sidetracked and move on to
> the next shiny object) only one is clear, and one leaves the door open for
> endless stupidity.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 8:26 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Read the dissent, it's a lot less elementary school than "nyah nyah
> pbthhh" and sticking fingers in the air
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 7:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> If I was on the court (and to be clear, I am not, nor do I want to be), I
> would have denied the case with prejudice.
>
>
>
> Time for the followers of Trumpianity to find another church, and face
> reality.
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Ken Hohhof]

Who are the left of which you speak?  Do they walk among us?

 



 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

 

Hence the next statement in what I said

There hasnt been any ruling, so there isnt any finality. There needs to be 
finality. Scotus action today is just going to drag this thing out. Until they 
do their job, hear the case, rule against the states, the propensity for 
violence increases daily. And I'm not just talking about secessionists.

At least the next 2 years wont be anything like the left over the last four 
still calling Clinton madame president and screaming at the sky. The right will 
either pop off or move on. More likely to move on if the scotus does their job 
and rules on it.

 

It's a real good forecast for starlink, the left lives funding a monopoly they 
back. I'll bet scotus rules on that within 3 years, they wont claim it's not in 
their wheelhouse

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 9:54 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Appeal to whom?  God?

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 11, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins:

In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a

bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original

jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___ 

(Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore

grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not

grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.

 

I'll break this down for bill and jaime to understand. The case itself is in 
the purview of SCOTUS. By not hearing it (and issuing a negative ruling on the 
merits, as the tone reflects) the issue would have been ended, also likely 
ending the other pending cases. All theyve done now is created a mechanism to 
appeal or refile, and refile, and refile. Irrelevant of the 14th december , the 
3rd, or the 20th of January.

 

You have two choices when your kids are fighting (you're kids are always your 
jurisdiction) you can tell the "I dont want to hear it" and spend the next few 
days listening to them bicker.

Or you can have them tell you their gripes, then tell them to fuck off with a 
descriptive reason why, with clarity that if it comes before you again, the 
hand of god will strike them.

 

Ultimately both outcomes are the same (they get sidetracked and move on to the 
next shiny object) only one is clear, and one leaves the door open for endless 
stupidity.

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 8:26 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Read the dissent, it's a lot less elementary school than "nyah nyah pbthhh" and 
sticking fingers in the air

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 7:32 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If I was on the court (and to be clear, I am not, nor do I want to be), I would 
have denied the case with prejudice.

 

Time for the followers of Trumpianity to find another church, and face reality.




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On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

[Ken Hohhof]

Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta instead of RHEL 
day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a 
production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or there’s Fedora.  I 
believe Preseem runs on Fedora.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

 

Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)



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From: "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?

I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there 
major differences to it?

I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
> Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its 
> tombstoned in 2021?
> 
> Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my 
> resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
> 
> Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended 
> but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the OS?


It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if 
that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was 
because it was rebuilt RHEL.

I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became 
obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants 
before bringing fixes into their commercial version.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Steve Jones]

Hence the next statement in what I said
There hasnt been any ruling, so there isnt any finality. There needs to be
finality. Scotus action today is just going to drag this thing out. Until
they do their job, hear the case, rule against the states, the propensity
for violence increases daily. And I'm not just talking about secessionists.
At least the next 2 years wont be anything like the left over the last four
still calling Clinton madame president and screaming at the sky. The right
will either pop off or move on. More likely to move on if the scotus does
their job and rules on it.

It's a real good forecast for starlink, the left lives funding a monopoly
they back. I'll bet scotus rules on that within 3 years, they wont claim
it's not in their wheelhouse

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 9:54 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Appeal to whom?  God?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 11, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins:
> In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a
> bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original
> jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___
> (Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore
> grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not
> grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.
>
> I'll break this down for bill and jaime to understand. The case itself is
> in the purview of SCOTUS. By not hearing it (and issuing a negative ruling
> on the merits, as the tone reflects) the issue would have been ended, also
> likely ending the other pending cases. All theyve done now is created a
> mechanism to appeal or refile, and refile, and refile. Irrelevant of the
> 14th december , the 3rd, or the 20th of January.
>
> You have two choices when your kids are fighting (you're kids are always
> your jurisdiction) you can tell the "I dont want to hear it" and spend the
> next few days listening to them bicker.
> Or you can have them tell you their gripes, then tell them to fuck off
> with a descriptive reason why, with clarity that if it comes before you
> again, the hand of god will strike them.
>
> Ultimately both outcomes are the same (they get sidetracked and move on to
> the next shiny object) only one is clear, and one leaves the door open for
> endless stupidity.
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 8:26 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Read the dissent, it's a lot less elementary school than "nyah nyah
>> pbthhh" and sticking fingers in the air
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 7:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> If I was on the court (and to be clear, I am not, nor do I want to be),
>>> I would have denied the case with prejudice.
>>>
>>> Time for the followers of Trumpianity to find another church, and face
>>> reality.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...

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Re: [AFMUG] Electrical engineer

[Ken Hohhof]

Start them out on a Simpson 260.

 

(is the model with the mirror scale a 270?  That was my favorite.)

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Electrical engineer

 

My grandson Noah, an EE in training will help you in about 8 years if you can 
wait .

Has his own Fluke meters grandpa bought him for birthday! 

 

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What is the project?

Sent from my iPhone





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Anyone in the group an electrical engineer or know someone who we can pay a 
consulting fee?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

[Mike Hammett]

Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better. ;-) 




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- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? 


I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way? 
I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there 
major differences to it? 
I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt 


On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 


On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote: 
> Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its 
> tombstoned in 2021? 
> 
> Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my 
> resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up. 
> 
> Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended 
> but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the OS? 


It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if 
that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was 
because it was rebuilt RHEL. 

I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became 
obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes I am

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 5:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Glad you are having a good day Jaime.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > 
> > All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Jaime Solorza]

Please accept our apologies

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 5:19 PM Jaime Solorza 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Ken Hohhof]

Emma Peel?  Aka M Appeal.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 9:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

 

Appeal to whom?  God?

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 11, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins:

In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a

bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original

jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___ 

(Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore

grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not

grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.

 

I'll break this down for bill and jaime to understand. The case itself is in 
the purview of SCOTUS. By not hearing it (and issuing a negative ruling on the 
merits, as the tone reflects) the issue would have been ended, also likely 
ending the other pending cases. All theyve done now is created a mechanism to 
appeal or refile, and refile, and refile. Irrelevant of the 14th december , the 
3rd, or the 20th of January.

 

You have two choices when your kids are fighting (you're kids are always your 
jurisdiction) you can tell the "I dont want to hear it" and spend the next few 
days listening to them bicker.

Or you can have them tell you their gripes, then tell them to fuck off with a 
descriptive reason why, with clarity that if it comes before you again, the 
hand of god will strike them.

 

Ultimately both outcomes are the same (they get sidetracked and move on to the 
next shiny object) only one is clear, and one leaves the door open for endless 
stupidity.

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 8:26 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Read the dissent, it's a lot less elementary school than "nyah nyah pbthhh" and 
sticking fingers in the air

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 7:32 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If I was on the court (and to be clear, I am not, nor do I want to be), I would 
have denied the case with prejudice.

 

Time for the followers of Trumpianity to find another church, and face reality.




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All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Appeal to whom?  God?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins:
> In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a
> bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original
> jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___ 
> (Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore
> grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not
> grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.
> 
> I'll break this down for bill and jaime to understand. The case itself is in 
> the purview of SCOTUS. By not hearing it (and issuing a negative ruling on 
> the merits, as the tone reflects) the issue would have been ended, also 
> likely ending the other pending cases. All theyve done now is created a 
> mechanism to appeal or refile, and refile, and refile. Irrelevant of the 14th 
> december , the 3rd, or the 20th of January.
> 
> You have two choices when your kids are fighting (you're kids are always your 
> jurisdiction) you can tell the "I dont want to hear it" and spend the next 
> few days listening to them bicker.
> Or you can have them tell you their gripes, then tell them to fuck off with a 
> descriptive reason why, with clarity that if it comes before you again, the 
> hand of god will strike them.
> 
> Ultimately both outcomes are the same (they get sidetracked and move on to 
> the next shiny object) only one is clear, and one leaves the door open for 
> endless stupidity.
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 8:26 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>> Read the dissent, it's a lot less elementary school than "nyah nyah pbthhh" 
>> and sticking fingers in the air
>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 7:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> If I was on the court (and to be clear, I am not, nor do I want to be), I 
>>> would have denied the case with prejudice.
>>> 
>>> Time for the followers of Trumpianity to find another church, and face 
>>> reality.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jaime Solorza  
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 All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Steve Jones]

Dismissing with prejudice wont address any of the other multitude pending.
It also opens up the door, as noted by alito. The courts can't say it's not
their problem, when case law says otherwise. That's the angle they will
probably come back at. The court at some point is going to have to attack
the political consequense they're trying to avoid eventually, get it done
now rather than later, there is only so much synapse left in my texan
friend, and eventually I'm gonna need his advice on laying out DIN

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 8:45 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> That was my point. It was not quite forceful enough for my taste.
> Dismissing with prejudice makes the point more forceful without getting
> into schoolyard name calling.
>
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> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 6:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Read the dissent, it's a lot less elementary school than "nyah nyah
>> pbthhh" and sticking fingers in the air
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 7:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> If I was on the court (and to be clear, I am not, nor do I want to be),
>>> I would have denied the case with prejudice.
>>>
>>> Time for the followers of Trumpianity to find another church, and face
>>> reality.
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Bill Prince]

That was my point. It was not quite forceful enough for my taste.
Dismissing with prejudice makes the point more forceful without getting
into schoolyard name calling.

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On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 6:27 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Read the dissent, it's a lot less elementary school than "nyah nyah
> pbthhh" and sticking fingers in the air
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 7:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> If I was on the court (and to be clear, I am not, nor do I want to be), I
>> would have denied the case with prejudice.
>>
>> Time for the followers of Trumpianity to find another church, and face
>> reality.
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Steve Jones]

Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins:
In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a
bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original
jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___
(Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore
grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not
grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.

I'll break this down for bill and jaime to understand. The case itself is
in the purview of SCOTUS. By not hearing it (and issuing a negative ruling
on the merits, as the tone reflects) the issue would have been ended, also
likely ending the other pending cases. All theyve done now is created a
mechanism to appeal or refile, and refile, and refile. Irrelevant of the
14th december , the 3rd, or the 20th of January.

You have two choices when your kids are fighting (you're kids are always
your jurisdiction) you can tell the "I dont want to hear it" and spend the
next few days listening to them bicker.
Or you can have them tell you their gripes, then tell them to fuck off with
a descriptive reason why, with clarity that if it comes before you again,
the hand of god will strike them.

Ultimately both outcomes are the same (they get sidetracked and move on to
the next shiny object) only one is clear, and one leaves the door open for
endless stupidity.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 8:26 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Read the dissent, it's a lot less elementary school than "nyah nyah
> pbthhh" and sticking fingers in the air
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 7:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> If I was on the court (and to be clear, I am not, nor do I want to be), I
>> would have denied the case with prejudice.
>>
>> Time for the followers of Trumpianity to find another church, and face
>> reality.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Steve Jones]

Read the dissent, it's a lot less elementary school than "nyah nyah pbthhh"
and sticking fingers in the air

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 7:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> If I was on the court (and to be clear, I am not, nor do I want to be), I
> would have denied the case with prejudice.
>
> Time for the followers of Trumpianity to find another church, and face
> reality.
>
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>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Bill Prince]

If I was on the court (and to be clear, I am not, nor do I want to be), I
would have denied the case with prejudice.

Time for the followers of Trumpianity to find another church, and face
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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

[Lewis Bergman]

Package management for one. Probably the biggest. If you Google it there's
probably how to somewhere on the web for migration from centos to Ubuntu.
LTS is the one you want.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 5:13 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?
> I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there
> major differences to it?
> I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its
>> > tombstoned in 2021?
>> >
>> > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my
>> > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
>> >
>> > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended
>> > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the
>> OS?
>>
>>
>> It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if
>> that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was
>> because it was rebuilt RHEL.
>>
>> I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became
>> obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants
>> before bringing fixes into their commercial version.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Glad you are having a good day Jaime.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
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> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
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Re: [AFMUG] Electrical engineer

[Chuck McCown via AF]

What is the project?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
> 
> 
> Anyone in the group an electrical engineer or know someone who we can pay a 
> consulting fee?
>  
> Tyson Burris, President 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Steve Jones]

Rotflmao
PET


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Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

[Steve Jones]

You can check your voicemail?
Do you think young people know that the voicemail icon is a tape?

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:41 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> At least tell me you're not one of those people that keeps the default
> 'the person at xxx-xxx- is unavailable' greeting.  I hate those.  I
> Never know if I've actually reached the right person or not.  Although
> it seems that anymore about 80% of the people keep their cellphone
> voicemail box maxed out and you can't leave messages anyway.
>
> On 12/11/2020 1:33 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> > Yeah the phone spam blockers are aggressive.  I never receive a call
> that is not on my contact list.  The real ones will leave a vm.  I like it
> this way, courtesy of at
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >>
> >> I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's
> Verizon nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon
> flags as "Potential Spam".  In other words, Verizon identifying their own
> calls as spam.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM
> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
> >>
> >> So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when
> they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers
> complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably
> Spam' when they call peoples cell phones.  Oh the joys of this new AI
> driven world we live in.
> >>
> >> Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT
> NOW
> >>
> >> But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers
> get through to them.
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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

[Steve Jones]

I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?
I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there
major differences to it?
I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its
> > tombstoned in 2021?
> >
> > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my
> > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
> >
> > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended
> > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the
> OS?
>
>
> It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if
> that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was
> because it was rebuilt RHEL.
>
> I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became
> obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants
> before bringing fixes into their commercial version.
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Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That's what STIR/SHAKEN is all about (for the most part).

bp

On 12/11/2020 1:06 PM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  why isnt there something similar to RDNS for phone
calls? Calls can only originate from authorized sources to the
number as I understand it. and something similar to SPF for
allowed altered CIDs. 
  
  
On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 1:44
  PM Bill Prince  wrote:

When
  someone is not in my contacts or Caller ID, I let it go to 
  voicemail. If they don't leave a message, I mark it as spam,
  and never 
  look back. I have on a few occasions marked spam for someone
  who's not 
  in my contacts list (or Caller ID). Unfortunately for them if
  they are 
  too shy (or whatever) to leave a voicemail.
  
  Confucius says: Leave voicemail, or get banned to spam.
  
  
  bp
  
  
  On 12/11/2020 11:33 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
  > Yeah the phone spam blockers are aggressive.  I never
  receive a call that is not on my contact list.  The real ones
  will leave a vm.  I like it this way, courtesy of at
  >
  > Sent from my iPhone
  >
  >> On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
  >>
  >> I have received calls from "Verizon Financial
  Services" (that's Verizon nagging about a late payment on the
  mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags as "Potential Spam".  In
  other words, Verizon identifying their own calls as spam.
  >>
  >>
  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
  >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM
  >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  >> Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't
  enough
  >>
  >> So now do I not only have to deal with customers
  complaining that when they send messages out, they get marked
  as spam, Now i have customers complaining that their outbound
  phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they call
  peoples cell phones.  Oh the joys of this new AI driven world
  we live in.
  >>
  >> Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU
  FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW
  >>
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  or telemarketers get through to them.
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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its 
tombstoned in 2021?


Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my 
resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.


Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended 
but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the OS?



It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if 
that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was 
because it was rebuilt RHEL.


I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became 
obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants 
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Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

[Nate Burke]

At least tell me you're not one of those people that keeps the default 
'the person at xxx-xxx- is unavailable' greeting.  I hate those.  I 
Never know if I've actually reached the right person or not.  Although 
it seems that anymore about 80% of the people keep their cellphone 
voicemail box maxed out and you can't leave messages anyway.


On 12/11/2020 1:33 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Yeah the phone spam blockers are aggressive.  I never receive a call that is not on 
my contact list.  The real ones will leave a vm.  I like it this way, courtesy of 
at

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon nagging about a 
late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags as "Potential Spam".  In other 
words, Verizon identifying their own calls as spam.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when they 
send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers complaining 
that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they 
call peoples cell phones.  Oh the joys of this new AI driven world we live in.

Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW

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Re: [AFMUG] Electrical engineer

[Lewis Bergman]

Chuck and his kid are.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:37 PM Tyson Burris  wrote:

> Anyone in the group an electrical engineer or know someone who we can pay
> a consulting fee?
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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

[Lewis Bergman]

You picked the distro that has deep commercial roots. The company behind
CentOS has been bought and sold at least twice that I know of. Might be
better with Debian or one of its variants like Ubunty.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:21 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its
> tombstoned in 2021?
>
> Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my
> resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
>
> Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended
> but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the OS?
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[AFMUG] Electrical engineer

[Tyson Burris]

Anyone in the group an electrical engineer or know someone who we can pay a 
consulting fee?

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

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[AFMUG] Centos is dead?

[Steve Jones]

Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its
tombstoned in 2021?

Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my
resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.

Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended but
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Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

[Steve Jones]

why isnt there something similar to RDNS for phone calls? Calls can only
originate from authorized sources to the number as I understand it. and
something similar to SPF for allowed altered CIDs.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 1:44 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> When someone is not in my contacts or Caller ID, I let it go to
> voicemail. If they don't leave a message, I mark it as spam, and never
> look back. I have on a few occasions marked spam for someone who's not
> in my contacts list (or Caller ID). Unfortunately for them if they are
> too shy (or whatever) to leave a voicemail.
>
> Confucius says: Leave voicemail, or get banned to spam.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/11/2020 11:33 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> > Yeah the phone spam blockers are aggressive.  I never receive a call
> that is not on my contact list.  The real ones will leave a vm.  I like it
> this way, courtesy of at
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >>
> >> I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's
> Verizon nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon
> flags as "Potential Spam".  In other words, Verizon identifying their own
> calls as spam.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM
> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
> >>
> >> So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when
> they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers
> complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably
> Spam' when they call peoples cell phones.  Oh the joys of this new AI
> driven world we live in.
> >>
> >> Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT
> NOW
> >>
> >> But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers
> get through to them.
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Re: [AFMUG] Tarana

[Jaime Solorza]

Like?

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 12:39 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> I have been hearing some interesting tidbits about them..
>
>
>
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> *From: *AF 
> *Date: *Friday, December 11, 2020 at 2:29 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tarana
>
> 3ghz, 5ghz and 24/28ghz.
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> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:34 AM Robert  wrote:
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> What frequencies are they using?  60Ghz?
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Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

[Bill Prince]

When someone is not in my contacts or Caller ID, I let it go to 
voicemail. If they don't leave a message, I mark it as spam, and never 
look back. I have on a few occasions marked spam for someone who's not 
in my contacts list (or Caller ID). Unfortunately for them if they are 
too shy (or whatever) to leave a voicemail.


Confucius says: Leave voicemail, or get banned to spam.


bp


On 12/11/2020 11:33 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Yeah the phone spam blockers are aggressive.  I never receive a call that is not on 
my contact list.  The real ones will leave a vm.  I like it this way, courtesy of 
at

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon nagging about a 
late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags as "Potential Spam".  In other 
words, Verizon identifying their own calls as spam.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when they 
send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers complaining 
that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they 
call peoples cell phones.  Oh the joys of this new AI driven world we live in.

Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW

But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers get 
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Re: [AFMUG] Tarana

[Gino A. Villarini]

I have been hearing some interesting tidbits about them..


Gino Villarini
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From: AF 
Date: Friday, December 11, 2020 at 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tarana
3ghz, 5ghz and 24/28ghz.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:34 AM Robert 
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
What frequencies are they using?  60Ghz?

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Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Yeah the phone spam blockers are aggressive.  I never receive a call that is 
not on my contact list.  The real ones will leave a vm.  I like it this way, 
courtesy of at

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon 
> nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags as 
> "Potential Spam".  In other words, Verizon identifying their own calls as 
> spam.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
> 
> So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when they 
> send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers complaining 
> that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they 
> call peoples cell phones.  Oh the joys of this new AI driven world we live in.
> 
> Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW
> 
> But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers get 
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Re: [AFMUG] Tarana

[Eric Muehleisen]

3ghz, 5ghz and 24/28ghz.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:34 AM Robert  wrote:

> What frequencies are they using?  60Ghz?
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[AFMUG] Tarana

[Robert]

What frequencies are they using?  60Ghz?

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Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

[Ken Hohhof]

I see that T-Mobile provides a method to report a call was “not spam”, using a 
3rd party called First Orion.  Maybe Verizon and AT do something similar.

https://callreporting.t-mobile.com/

 

I’m not sure any of the carriers have implemented STIR/SHAKEN yet.  When that 
happens, it might be incumbent on the outgoing carrier to follow the protocols 
to validate the caller ID and prevent spoofing.  But otherwise, the usual 
finger pointing would be at your customer (clean up your act you filthy 
spammer) or the called party’s carrier (fix your spam filter).  With email 
spam, your mailserver IP could be on a blacklist.  But with spam calls, there 
is no equivalent to a mailserver to blacklist, it would be the caller’s number 
that would be on a blacklist, or a belief that the caller ID was being spoofed.

 

Most of the robocalls I get are from spoofed numbers either in my same 
areacode/prefix (neighbor spoofing) or the caller ID just comes up as a town.  
But often the caller ID will be an actual business that is being spoofed, 
either randomly, or sometimes I think on purpose they pick something like an 
AT phone store because it looks like a real call.  So some robocaller could 
be spoofing his number and giving him a bad reputation.  Supposedly part of the 
AI the phone companies use to determine spam calls is how many calls they are 
getting from that number, and how many are answered.

 

Doing a quick Google search, I also found it interesting one telemarketing blog 
claimed it helps to send the customer an email ahead of time and include your 
phone number in the email.  The claim is that phones search your email trying 
to display a name when they see that number calling.  At first that sounded a 
bit far fetched, but actually I guess it’s not.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

 

this would be one where i would just tell them to only call people with 
legitimate providers.

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:14 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon nagging 
about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags as "Potential 
Spam".  In other words, Verizon identifying their own calls as spam.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when they 
send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers complaining 
that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they 
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Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

[Steve Jones]

this would be one where i would just tell them to only call people with
legitimate providers.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:14 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon
> nagging about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags
> as "Potential Spam".  In other words, Verizon identifying their own calls
> as spam.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough
>
> So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when
> they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers
> complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably
> Spam' when they call peoples cell phones.  Oh the joys of this new AI
> driven world we live in.
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Re: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

[Ken Hohhof]

I have received calls from "Verizon Financial Services" (that's Verizon nagging 
about a late payment on the mobile phone bill) that Verizon flags as "Potential 
Spam".  In other words, Verizon identifying their own calls as spam.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when they 
send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers complaining 
that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 'Probably Spam' when they 
call peoples cell phones.  Oh the joys of this new AI driven world we live in.

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[AFMUG] As if Dealing with Email spam wasn't enough

[Nate Burke]

So now do I not only have to deal with customers complaining that when 
they send messages out, they get marked as spam, Now i have customers 
complaining that their outbound phone calls are being marked as 
'Probably Spam' when they call peoples cell phones.  Oh the joys of this 
new AI driven world we live in.


Customers perspective - YOUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! YOU FIX IT!! FIX IT NOW

But lord have mercy is they get a few spam messages or telemarketers get 
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