Re: [AFMUG] SMS from my Cell Number

[Harold Bledsoe]

The news said this is a Russian attack.  

I’m getting these too.  Supposedlty Verizon is the main target?

From: AF  on behalf of Nate Burke 
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 11:54 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] SMS from my Cell Number
Starting this week, I've been getting Spam SMS messages with my Cell
number as phone number to communicate with.  Incoming SMS from my cell
number, Messaging app asks if I Would like to add a contact of 'my cell
number' for this new message thread.  Message window shows 'Texting with
'my cell number' via SMS/MMS'

For all the 'Anti-spam' rhetoric coming from the Cell companies, this
scenario seems like one that should never ever happen.  Am I the only
one getting these?  Should I bother to call the cell company?

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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling

[Harold Bledsoe]

To be fair, you have an extremely high comedic value that offsets your 
toxicity…. 

From: AF  on behalf of Steve Jones 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, July 30, 2021 at 12:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling

Being a toxic employee of value, I can offer some insight here. Toxic employees 
corrupt every future employee who walks in the door. We can be likened to an 
abusive spouse. Our worth seems very high up front, but what is our cost in the 
long run? We may excel in our area of expertise, even to the point we seem 
irreplaceable. This broad is probably costing you more in other areas than you 
realize.
We dealt with a lady like this at one of our sites we rent. Our contract gives 
us 24x7 access. She refused to allow us on the property if there wasnt a staff 
member present. Our customers (including this landlord) didnt want outage 
during business hours. Yet they would have to pay overtime for a staff member 
to be present after hours. We dont pay enough in rent to cover this.
Luckily she ended up causing farmers to drop their grain contracts to go 
elsewhere (where they got paid less for their yield) solely because they got 
tired of dealing with her.
 Look to see what you're losing by keeping this "invaluable" employee. I'll bet 
you're losing more than you gain.

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mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Have you watched The Accountant?  ;-)


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Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

[Harold Bledsoe]

Just curious: if you’ve had Covid already, do you guys believe the vaccine 
should still be mandatory?

 I haven’t been vaccinated pretty much only because I’ve had the OG. “The 
Science” is mixed on whether naturally acquired immunity is better, worse, or 
same as the vaccine. If I had not had it already I’d get the vaccine. I’m 
probably more vaccinated than many on this list (hep a/b, typhoid, etc in 
addition to the usual ones).

How many of the unvaccinated fall into this category? How many of the 
unvaccinated that are in the hospital or dying are on their second infection?


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From: AF  on behalf of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 9:07:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

There also is the erosion of trust issue. Many government types either outright 
lied to get the action they wanted or had restrictions that didn't scale with 
the current risk. That caused a lack of trust, so now people don't listen to 
the right stuff said by the right people because previously they lied.



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Re: [AFMUG] WISPAMERICA COVID

[Harold Bledsoe]

It’s well-known that lots of alcohol prevents covid…

From: AF  on behalf of Caleb Knauer 

Date: Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPAMERICA COVID
No 'rona, but every morning I did wake up with a bad case of "I'm
getting too old for this".  Luckily only temporary symptoms.

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 4:11 PM Matt Hoppes
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> I'm just curious more than anything... did any of you that went to
> WISPAMERICA catch COVID?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID vax

[Harold Bledsoe]

I personally have no issues getting the vaccine.  That said, I will wait to get 
it because I’ve already had covid and reinfection is extremely rare so far.  So 
I think it is best that people who are at-risk and have not already had covid 
be higher priority for the vaccine.

I will note that it is amazing how much the commentary has changed over the 
last year.  There’s only a small number of vaccines that give better immunity 
than natural infection and each one has a specific reason why and is 
well-understood.  Also, the media will take a study that shows antibodies are 
still present after 10 months and turn that into “it only lasts 10 months” when 
in fact, it just hasn’t been studied for longer than that.  SARS v1 recovered 
patients still show a good immune response nearly 20 years later which is a 
good sign.

So – we have pretty good evidence now that reinfection is very rare with people 
who have had covid (coming up on a year now) and less evidence to show how long 
the vaccine will last simply because it hasn’t been around as long.  I’m 
hopeful both will provide long-lasting protection…

From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF 

Date: Sunday, February 7, 2021 at 9:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID vax
Much of the popular press news items I have read indicate that your antibody 
protection may be good for only 6 months.  I would still get the shot if I had 
the covid.

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 9:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID vax

We had a few people around here have "adverse" reactions. What that means i 
dont know. We have a lot of anti vaxxers around here so it could be anything, 
nobody died.
Im getting kind of tired of people talking people out of getting it. Im not 
getting it cause i had covid and i actually believe the science. But id never 
tell anybody not to get it if they wanted it. Theyve been testing it for almost 
a year, if there were major adverse reactions we would know. I still have a 
weird memory issue from having the kungflu, so if somebody can get a couple 
shots and maybe a headache and chills instead, more power to em.

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Re: [AFMUG] 48V 100AH Lithium Batts source?

[Harold Bledsoe]

I was very happy with the ones I got from Meritsun.  I used them in a 48V golf 
cart arrangement with 12v/100ah.  They have rack mount too though I think.

From: AF 
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] 48V 100AH Lithium Batts source?
Collegues

Any reliable source for these batt packs?  WE are moving away from traditional 
AGM and gel to Lithium.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Where do you stand in the vaccine line?

[Harold Bledsoe]

Matt jumps on his motorcycle he’s using to parachute out of a plane on…

From: AF 
Date: Friday, December 4, 2020 at 10:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group , Gino A. Villarini 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Where do you stand in the vaccine line?
Based on your risk profile, we believe it would be a waste of precious
vaccine resources to provide you with one.  Even if they were widely
available, just the time of a nurse to administer it could be better
spent sitting in silence.   We’re honestly a little surprised that you
haven’t died of COVID or any other number of communicable diseases yet,
based on your lifestyle choices and stupidity.

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>
> Found this in the NYT:
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Re: [AFMUG] Lithium lead acid replacement batteries

[Harold Bledsoe]

Yeah the BMUs in the merit sun ones are handling equalization of the cells 
inside and enforcing limit on over-current etc.  It also determines how many 
series/parallel ones you can have too.

The chargers are pretty basic – they are just a single-stage power supply with 
a fixed current.  They do typically shut off after the batteries are charged.

The problem with a lead acid charger is that they are doing constant current 
until a certain voltage is hit and then switches to constant voltage for how 
long it took to finish the first stage and then switch to float.  The BMU would 
have to do a bit of trickery to make that work and pretend to be a lead acid 
battery.  For reference, the charger for the 48V LiFePO4 system is a single 
stage, 57.6V/20A power supply.

From: AF 
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lithium lead acid replacement batteries

I don't really know Adam. I know that multi-cell LiFePo batteries need (and 
usually include) a BMU to manage the states/flow between cells, and I know that 
LiFePo batteries don't want (or need) a bulk or equalization. Beyond that, I 
think they just need a different charger, but I don't know how sophisticated it 
needs to be.



bp


On 10/28/2020 3:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
Hi Bill

I thought with the drop in replacements the BMU handled the charging?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 12:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lithium lead acid replacement batteries


LiFePo (Lithium Iron Phosphate) is considered very safe. Completely different 
charge profile vs lead acid though.



bp


On 10/28/2020 12:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
my biggest concern with lithium is im a dolt and dont know for sure which 
variants arent prone to explode

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mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
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On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 10:11 AM Harold Bledsoe 
mailto:hrbled...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I’ve used the Merit Sun batteries for other applications.  They work well and 
have a BMS.  That said, they cannot be used with a lead-acid charging profile.  
Another option would be to disable the charger on the UPS (if possible?) and 
use a separate LiFePO4 charger for the batteries.  That will give you more 
options.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 11:44 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Lithium lead acid replacement batteries
Is anyone using Lithium replacements for lead acid it there UPS setups.   Our 
standard setup is 4 12v 100 amp hour external batteries on APC or Alpha UPSs.   
I read that some of the LiFePO4 12v Lithium batteries are drop in replacements 
for lead acid.   Are all with built in BMUs considered drop in?

Any one doing this?   What make and model have you used.  Price?  Also 
interested to hear if anyone has purchased though Alibaba?   Prices look good, 
but are they too good to be true?
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Re: [AFMUG] Lithium lead acid replacement batteries

[Harold Bledsoe]

I’ve used the Merit Sun batteries for other applications.  They work well and 
have a BMS.  That said, they cannot be used with a lead-acid charging profile.  
Another option would be to disable the charger on the UPS (if possible?) and 
use a separate LiFePO4 charger for the batteries.  That will give you more 
options.

From: AF 
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 11:44 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Lithium lead acid replacement batteries
Is anyone using Lithium replacements for lead acid it there UPS setups.   Our 
standard setup is 4 12v 100 amp hour external batteries on APC or Alpha UPSs.   
I read that some of the LiFePO4 12v Lithium batteries are drop in replacements 
for lead acid.   Are all with built in BMUs considered drop in?

Any one doing this?   What make and model have you used.  Price?  Also 
interested to hear if anyone has purchased though Alibaba?   Prices look good, 
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Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting

[Harold Bledsoe]

LOL – I’ve been to places where that is actually common.  :-/


From: Adam Moffett<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 8:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting


I guess since diapers don't stop farts just let the baby poop on the floor.


On 10/28/2020 9:31 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:
I think those videos are interesting but they may not be that relevant to virus 
transmission.  Those videos deal droplet-sized (and bigger) emissions.  
Aerosols can’t be seen on high-speed camera because they are too small.  I 
heard a funny analogy that stopping virus spread with a mask is like stopping a 
fart with a diaper.  Also not fully accurate but funny.

Is there benefit from stopping large droplets?  That is the question.  So what 
happens to even the large droplets that get trapped in a cloth mask?  The 
droplets themselves will start to evaporate and eventually you are left with 
aerosol sized or just the virus particles themselves.  They don’t just 
disappear right?  Now when you inhale/exhale the virus is small enough to 
escape from the mask.  And when you touch the mask, you move virus to whatever 
you touch after that.  And you bring it back to your car or house or whatever 
because most people are not disposing of masks or properly disinfecting them.  
So the mask is more of an intermediary and not a virus destroyer.

Again, the consensus before March was that it doesn’t limit the cloud – it just 
moves the cloud around.  I’m not aware of any evidence that has shown a cloth 
mask has any benefit for slowing virus spread in communities.  Maybe one day we 
will have some kind of force field bubble that can actually do that.  The 
plastic barriers are another example – coronaviruses survive quite well on 
these surfaces so it might be having an overall opposite effect of the intended 
purpose of slowing spread.

So, anyways, I will continue to wear a mask when requested by business owners 
and other private property owners.  I just don’t think it is doing much besides 
making folks feel like they are doing something even if they aren’t.  Absent 
the force field bubble, the only way to stop transmission is to isolate humans, 
but that’s a whole other can of worms…

From: Forrest Christian (List Account)<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting

Wearing a face mask provides very little protection for the wearer from the 
virus.   This fact is what the anti-maskers tend to spout over and over and 
over again.  And it's true.If you're wearing a mask to prevent yourself 
from catching the virus, well, you're effectively in the category of "something 
is better than nothing, but not much".

However, what has changed is that we are dealing with a virus that seems to be 
quite contagious before symptoms appear.   As a result, if we can limit the 
amount of virus floating around in the 'cloud' around people who are contagious 
but don't know it that will help.   For this, masks are *very* effective, even 
cloth ones although of course some are better than others.   There are quite a 
few videos out on the net from various organizations that have simulated this 
in various ways.

For example:

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A mask doesn't prevent the virus from getting out, what it does is limit the 
size of the cloud around people, with much of the moisture particles (which 
contain the virus) being caught by the mask.So, as is said over and over, 
wearing a mask is to protect everyone around you, not you.




On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:22 PM Harold Bledsoe 
mailto:hrbled...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I also follow a simple rule that if a business/home owner requires a mask, it 
is their property and their right to require it.  So, wear it.

That said, I do think it is unfortunate that anyone that questions the efficacy 
of mask use in the general population is assumed to be one of the “it’s a hoax” 
people right off the bat.  Masks have been around for a hundred years and up 
until March or so of this year, it was generally accepted that mask wearing by 
the general population isn’t helpful.  So the logical question is, what changed?

If the reason to wear a mask is to hide my ugly face, then, ok, there’s a good 
argument there.  If it is for some kind of universal symbol to remind us to 
keep our distance from each other, then, again, 

Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting

[Harold Bledsoe]

I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the data, but here is the HHS data on 
hospital utilization at the state level (as reported by the states):

https://healthdata.gov/dataset/covid-19-reported-patient-impact-and-hospital-capacity-state

For example, in FL:
state
inpatient_beds_utilization
inpatient_bed_covid_utilization
FL
53%
3%

So statewide, 53% of inpatient beds are occupied and 3% are occupied due to 
covid.

That same site has this for UT:

UT
53%
5%

Is there data for UT somewhere else that tells a different story?

From: AF 
Date: Monday, October 26, 2020 at 2:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
Utah is overflowing at the hospitals.

From: Mike Meluskey
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 1:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting


Father-in-Law is an MD in the Lubbock, TX area. Their hospitals are full.

On 26 Oct 2020, at 15:20, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Hold on. Reading your email I am getting conflicting information. You said that 
this seems like it’s a joke but then also that you’ve moved everyone who can 
remote.

I disagree we have hospitals that are being overwhelmed right now look at El 
Paso. This is not going away after the election.


On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

Its almost like nobody listened to the science, they clearly said that the 
natural progression of any novel virus is 3 annual seasons, with this one in 
particular being predominately in fall. this is season 2. We have treatments 
now that are effective, we quit killing people with ventilators the way were 
were in the beginning, healthcare isnt overwhelmed and theres no shortage of 
PPE. We only have 8 days until reporting on this changes to be less terrifying.

Healthy people are being exposed, beating it, and innoculated, 3 months 
permanent, no one knows if this is different thatn 99 percent of other viruses. 
but of the well over 30 million people who were verified positive via testing 
and have since recovered, less than 20 globally have been reinfected, so odds 
are the vast majority are immune.

Knowing what we know now, we have permanently moved all positions that can be 
remote to remote. techs dont go any further than the garage if they dont have 
to. Its techs choice to mask up and glove up, and as long as they choose to 
mask up and glove up, it will continue to be there choice. This is only 
applicable to interiors, theyre not required to mask outside, thats simply 
ignorant to require and its not "following the science" . ut the tech can 
choose to do that if they want. hell, if they want to wear a condom all day, 
its none of our concern.

Our state positivity numbers are a joke, they simply base it on the percentage 
of total tests that are positive, its gotten colder, so people arent getting 
tested on a whim and we are back to primarily people with risk factors getting 
tested, the positivity rate went up as would be expected, but not as high as 
anticipated.

If legitimate numbers start going up like hospitalizations (luckily I have ins 
in healthcare so i dont have to rely on media reports and politically charged 
public health departments, i am privy to internal census reports in healthcare) 
then we will look toward lower contact solutions, and no contact if our 
coverage area sees a legitimate surge.

We dont do stupid stuff, like my contractor who was infected, we cancelled him 
for his quarantine period. We dont have in person company meetings. When we are 
together on project work we dont ride in the same vehicle, we just dont take 
any unnecessary risk, but we also dont let risk avoidance unnecessarily impact 
operations.

I quit worrying about exposures with the wife working in a hospital, we are 
exposed constantly. (the low incidence of healthcare transmission is an oddity 
that after the politics of this thing are over I hope they do some deep diving 
into, its either going to boil down to we still dont actually know how its 
primarily transmitting or healthcare has such a high incidence of low viral 
load exposures that theyr innoculated without actually catching it, similar to 
how some allergies can be beaten through very low dose exposures to the 
allergen, will be interesting research when the politics of it are over)

Every single "look at this country, look at that country" has turned out to be 
wrong on both sides of the argument, even WHO says lockdowns are the wrong 
solution now.

Im still waiting for the fed money that went out to put a bunch of people in 
prison, even in this industry there will probably be some prison sentences 
handed out, the money came with requirements, it wasnt just free cash to grow a 
company.


I can tell you there is something going around thats causing chest xrays to 
look exactly like covid damage, but no testing method is identifying the 
presence of covid or history of its presence, thats concerning, keep that in 

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Stds compliant beamforming sectors in 2.4?

[Harold Bledsoe]

There's a couple of things to break down here.  One is that there are 2 major 
kinds of beamforming - analog and digital.  The ones you mention (and I'll add 
Go Networks to the list) were using analog beamforming.  These are antenna 
arrays that can be phased together to make a stronger beam and is steerable.  
The chip-based beamforming in the WiFi standard is a bit different and you 
don't get this sort of powerful beam out of it.  That kind of digital 
beamforming is more useful for nulls mu-mimo isolation that would be useful in 
an indoor wifi environment.

I'm not too familiar with the cnmedusa design, but I get the impression it is 
more of an array of fixed sectors that have physically different coverage areas 
that are connected to different radio chains.  So that is yet another sort of 
variation.

One thing that made the analog beamforming systems achieve better coverage was 
that the FCC allowed (maybe they still do?) higher EIRP from this specific type 
of system.  So it had physically more power and punch to it.

I am personally not aware of any companies actively developing analog 
beamforming systems like those older ones.  It gets significantly more 
difficult for those designs to support the sort of advanced macs that came 
after 11n - 11ax supports MU-MIMO and OFDMA for example which would be 
challenging to support with an analog beamformer.


On 10/13/20, 3:42 PM, "AF on behalf of Jeremy Grip"  wrote:

A few years ago, when the electrical utility trashed the 900 spectrum with 
“smart” meters, I did a forklift upgrade of a bunch of 900 PtMP with some old 
Wavion beamforming sectors talking to ubnt clients in 2.4. I was surprised that 
I got just about the same coverage that I had with 900 (Trango) and of course 
better throughput. Those original Wavions were b/g; I’ve since found a couple 
of .11n versions from the brief last gasp of Alvarion (R.I.P.) that did even 
better. Anybody know if anybody’s currently producing a beamforming 2.4 sector 
that will talk to standards compliant 11n radios?

I’m assuming that the beamforming saved this location—one tower plus a 
couple of other little nodes in a little spread out village in the middle of a 
dense National Forest of mixed tall evergreens and hardwood. I just don’t see 
how 2.4 could match the old 900 penetration otherwise, but maybe somebody can 
enlighten me. It wouldn’t be worth it to try and change out all the 
clients--more than a few are 50’+ up in trees. If there was an ePMP medusa in 
2.4 and that sex-change from ubnt to ePMP worked it would be worth a try, but 
as far as I know Cambium's just doing medusa in 5GHz. 

With my other hand I'm working to see FTTH across the region and it looks 
like it'll probably happen within the next five or six years, so any serious 
wireless investment here doesn't make any sense.
















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Re: [AFMUG] Alibaba LiFePO4 48V 200Ah battery packs?

[Harold Bledsoe]

Not an answer to your question but FWIW I got some 12V/100AH batteries from 
Meritsun to use in a golf cart and those have worked very well so far.  These 
are wired in series to do 48V that the golf cart needs.

From: AF  on behalf of TJ Trout 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 6:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alibaba LiFePO4 48V 200Ah battery packs?

If anyone is using the lifepo4 rack mount batteries could you comment on which 
capacity you went with?

I'm trying to figure out which capacity is the best form factor in terms of 
weight size etc.

Strange that the 200ah unit is marginally larger but twice the weight. The 
100ah unit just be partially empty inside.

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 8:40 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Ferric Chloride kills the coronavirus.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alibaba LiFePO4 48V 200Ah battery packs?

My bare pcb provider got the go ahead to restart production Monday.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 19, 2020, at 7:54 PM, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> 
wrote:
Shit, the other thing is when will China be a viable supplier again? Anyone 
seeing shipments from China? We use 3 chinese suppliers and they are MIA, 
wondering when things will become normal again?

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 5:57 PM Peter Kranz 
mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>> wrote:
Correct.. 
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Lifepo4-Batterie-Lithium-48V-Lifepo4-Lipo_62343352866.html?spm=a2700.details.deiletai6.9.61a95ffebuB5z3

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

From: TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Peter Kranz mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alibaba LiFePO4 48V 200Ah battery packs?

Peter, so just over 1k$ for 100ah@48vdc?

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 5:08 PM Peter Kranz via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Second calc is wrong:

The equivalent LiFePO4 new unit:

1x MeritSun LFP100-48 Units = $1100 (138 lbs)
@100% DOD = 4800Wh of storage in a package 16”deep and 8.7” high or $.22/Wh

So its actually half the price of my Deka solution per Wh.

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
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Mobile: 510-207-
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 2:28 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Peter Kranz mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alibaba LiFePO4 48V 200Ah battery packs?

Chuck, something you may want to consider in your calculations is that I am 
comfortable taking LiFePO4 batteries to 100% DOD, whereas I never go below 50% 
DOD for my AGM backup systems. I guess one could make a case that I’m not 
cycling my AGM systems very much, so I shouldn’t care about the huge cycle life 
penalties of 100% DOD in which case your spreadsheet is still valid.

But assuming we go with the 50% DOD argument, I can fit 4x170Ah AGMs in the 
bottom of my racks:

4x Deka 170Ah 12AVR1700-ET @ $495 = $1980 (120 lbs x 4 = 480 lbs)
@50% DOD = 4080Wh of storage in a package 22” deep and 12.6” high or $.48/Wh

The equivalent LiFePO4 new unit:

1x MeritSun LFP100-48 Units = $2200 (138 lbs)
@100% DOD = 4800Wh of storage in a package 16”deep and 8.7” high or $.45/Wh

So, my conclusion so far is if you are buying relatively expensive telecom 
rated AGM batteries and only going to 50% DOD with them, you may be breaking 
even with LiFEPO4 based systems.

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com

Re: [AFMUG] DENT - upcoming NOS options

[Harold Bledsoe]

DENT isn't the NOS itself. DENT is the effort under LF to disaggregate. 
Presumably there will be a rise of new NOSes that would take advantage of this 
effort.

Their feature roadmap priority is driven by members and participants so that's 
why I was suggesting to get involved if that is interesting to you.

Sent from Outlook Mobile<https://aka.ms/blhgte>

From: AF  on behalf of Jared Brown 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:34:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DENT - upcoming NOS options

I'm afraid that slide does not clear up the matter at all :)

You could use that same generic slide for any white box NOS. I really hope 
somebody is putting some thought into why a new NOS is needed and manages to 
articulate it.


Jared



> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020
> From: "Harold Bledsoe" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DENT - upcoming NOS options
>
> Attached is a high level (I agree the website is lacking).
>
> Let me know if you want the whole deck and I can send it.
>
> -Hal
>
> On 5/21/20, 10:30 AM, "AF on behalf of Jared Brown"  on behalf of fiber...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> How does this differ from any of the other NOSes floating around? It's 
> not like the website actually tells you...
>
>
> Jared
>
>
>
>
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020
> From: "Harold Bledsoe" 
> To: "AF@af.afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] DENT - upcoming NOS options
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I just wanted to make everyone aware of a newish effort to bring some 
> more (and hopefully better) options to our market for network operation 
> systems.  If you are familiar with the OCP, you can think of this as OCP 
> focused more on our segment.  The effort is called DENT and you can get high 
> level info here:  
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdent.dev%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Caadd00740bac496a5fdf08d7fdad5372%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637256793172470986sdata=tKjKesAXF508I26k3srbbstna8lTjtRgRZEgKYPtE5A%3Dreserved=0
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> I’d encourage anyone interested to follow along and get involved to voice 
> your priorities to the team!
>
> -Hal
>
>
>
> Harold Bledsoe
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Re: [AFMUG] DENT - upcoming NOS options

[Harold Bledsoe]

Attached is a high level (I agree the website is lacking).

Let me know if you want the whole deck and I can send it.

-Hal

On 5/21/20, 10:30 AM, "AF on behalf of Jared Brown"  wrote:

How does this differ from any of the other NOSes floating around? It's not 
like the website actually tells you...


Jared
 
 
 

Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020
    From: "Harold Bledsoe" 
To: "AF@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] DENT - upcoming NOS options

Hi guys,
 
I just wanted to make everyone aware of a newish effort to bring some more 
(and hopefully better) options to our market for network operation systems.  If 
you are familiar with the OCP, you can think of this as OCP focused more on our 
segment.  The effort is called DENT and you can get high level info here:  
https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdent.dev%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Ca0bcfc768b8c420cc6a708d7fd9bec8c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637256718432175854sdata=mS8Tkbudw09J%2FZxhvpFWf53tGoD4qizn6QCGDc5m36A%3Dreserved=0
 
I’d encourage anyone interested to follow along and get involved to voice 
your priorities to the team!
 
-Hal
 

 
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[AFMUG] DENT - upcoming NOS options

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi guys,

I just wanted to make everyone aware of a newish effort to bring some more (and 
hopefully better) options to our market for network operation systems.  If you 
are familiar with the OCP, you can think of this as OCP focused more on our 
segment.  The effort is called DENT and you can get high level info here:  
https://dent.dev/

I’d encourage anyone interested to follow along and get involved to voice your 
priorities to the team!

-Hal


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Clamato vs Snappy Tom was: Is this good?

[Harold Bledsoe]

r
>> > >> government
>> > >> > sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics,
>> > >> and morgues are
>> > >> > supplying the numbers. There is a level of
>> > >> uncertainty because of
>> > >> > different criteria. That is true for the US cases,
>> > >> but probably not
>> > >> > for other countries. For example, the numbers coming
>> > >> from China (and
>> > >> > several other countries) are by design government
>> > >> based. But to
>> > >> > brush them all off as "government or corporations"
>> > >> is being naive at
>> > >> > least.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I would not say that "most" patients have
>> > >> pre-existing conditions.
>> > >> > Maybe a high percentage, but it does not explain why
>> > >> such a large
>> > >> > number of otherwise healthy people are being
>> > >> infected the way they
>> > >> > are. At some point, we will figure out that there is
>> > >> a genetic or
>> > >> > environmental factor that we just do not understand
>> > >> yet.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100%
>> > >> accurate, but I also
>> > >> > do not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious
>> > >> either. Where you cut
>> > >> > off is probably a personal thing.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > bp
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 
>> > >> >
>> > >> > __ __
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > You guys work with statistics much? You think
>> > >> the numbers are
>> > >> > accurate? At what point have you ever seen
>> > >> government or
>> > >> > corporations represent 100% accurate numbers?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > __ __
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I'll let you do your own homework. But I've
>> > >> seen hundreds of
>> > >> > reports from all over the place of deaths of
>> > >> natural causes
>> > >> > being classified as covid deaths. Since most
>> > >> patients have
>> > >> > existing conditions and many were already dying
>> >

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[Harold Bledsoe]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

I found this an interesting read (NY Post but author seems legit). He
mentions a 43% positive rate in the Bronx although I don't see a source.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you
> to hear.  Things are much better now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>> constitution says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
>>> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
>>> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
>>> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
 Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
 that resulted in that was?

 On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
 down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
 opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.

 On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>
>
> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>
>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the 
>> people
>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
>> treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was
>> that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
>> including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
>> production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
>> schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not
>> in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting 
>> part
>> is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing
>> beer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>>
>>
>> Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
>> meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember,
>> the goal was to 

Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Harold Bledsoe]

> *To: *"af" 
>> *Cc: *"Dennis Burgess" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:17:51 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces
>>
>> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces
>>
>> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU
>>
>>
>>
>> List price: $600
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>
>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Harold Bledsoe]

It shows AL32400 so Annapurna labs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapurna_Labs

They were bought by Amazon a while back and make good CPUs.  I'd guess
performance will be pretty good.  Most of these are architected with ARM
cores + lots of hardware offload for doing routing and other such tasks.
So it is kind of like having a L3 HW engine inside the CPU.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 7:31 AM Dennis Burgess via AF 
wrote:

> Don’t know yet as they have not published a block diagram or routing
> performance numbers.  However, I would assume it would do just as good if
> not better than a 1072.. Course, that could be v7 as well, but don’t know
> yet.
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
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>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>
>
>
> whats the comparison to 1072?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:26 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Yep, seeing the 8 port SFP+ model retail is 3k ..  under 1k and more ports
> and 25gig ports!
>
>
>
> What 64bit ARM CPU is supposed to do I guess!  We have our stock ordered,
> its not even on the MT product site yet.  Will be a week or two before they
> come in.  We will have significant stock on them.
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>
>
>
> this thing is pretty cheap too isnt it
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces
>
> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces
>
> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU
>
>
>
> List price: $600
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus graphics

[Harold Bledsoe]

What's missing in estimating the death rate / ICU rate is the denominator
of how many infections there actually are.

Arguably the best dataset we have at the moment is Iceland.  They have
tested the highest % of population including people without symptoms.  This
is possible because they don't have a huge population.  ;-)

https://www.icelandreview.com/ask-ir/whats-the-status-of-covid-19-in-iceland/

Still, they have tested the highest percent and they are showing at the
moment a .2% death rate, .6% ICU rate, 2% overall hospitalization rate.

While these are much better numbers than other estimates are saying,
there's still some challenges here - the main one being that a .6% ICU
rate, while not so large, is still too many to handle if they happen all at
once compared to the number of currently open ICU beds in most places.

This also points to a reality that we probably have a much, much higher
number of infections.  I, for one, am encouraged that the actual fatality
rate may be much lower than we are hearing.  But this thing moves fast and
you have something like 50% with mild or no symptoms that can spread it for
14 days (vs. something like 4 days for flu).  That a long time to spread
the love around.

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:46 AM  wrote:

> With all of two deaths in Utah we are running a .4% death rate.
> I am guessing the peak of deaths is 2 to 2.5 weeks away.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 9:30 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus graphics
>
>
> This is another perspective referred to in this article called "Hammer and
> Dance". It outlines what the various options and probable outcomes might
> be. It does get into the weeds somewhat.
>
>
> https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/28/2020 8:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> This is an interesting article:
>
> https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/
>
> Note the double boom if you relax your social distancing after the initial
> peak is over.
> Looks like 10-12 weeks of people dying.  We are 2.5 weeks into that
> cycle.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Harold Bledsoe]

ists.  Bernie is a socialist.
> >>>> Therefore Bernie is a Nazi.  So the Internet
> says.
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:*AF 
> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf
> Of
> >>>> *Steve Jones
> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>>>  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT
> >>>> stock)
> >>>>
> >>>> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the
> >>>> nazis last time... russia is in asia, so
> >>>> russians are asians. Taking them out of the
> >>>> running too Weve said too much
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett
> >>>>  >>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This
> >>>> is obviously genetically designed to target
> >>>> Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections
> >>>> are asians. Obviously this is the resurgence
> >>>> of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a
> >>>> majority of the population so they can
> >>>> initiate another run at global domination. My
> >>>> neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend,
> >>>> carols husband Brad told her that he heard
> >>>> that this is what brexit was all about.
> >>>> Germany and Great Britian are forming an
> >>>> alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there is
> >>>> a shadow government of guess what... Nazis.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett
> >>>>  >>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>>>     > I'm waiting for Godwin...
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > bp
> >>>> > 
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that
> >>>> literally everything is a
> >>>> >> "conspiracy".
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on
> >>>> purpose, and nobody has the
> >>>> >> whole picture of what happened until more
> >>>> time passes. In the interim
> >>>> >> there's a lot of conflicting information
> >>>> going around. People latch
> >>>> >> onto early bits of information that turn
> >>>> out to be wrong and they
> >>>> >> won't let go of them.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to
> >>>> distract press from Hong Kong
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to
> >>>> defeat China in a trade war
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to
> >>>> discredit Mexican Lager (I
> >>>> >> mean that one's obviously a
> joke.right?)
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must
> >>>> all stock our survival bunkers.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> China is hiding all the information about
> >>>> Coronavirus. Really? Or
> >>>> >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time
> >>>> omniscient feed of all
> >>>> >> information so they're reporting what they
> >>>> think is true at the time
> >>>> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook
> >>>> aren't all true.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this
> >>>> discussion off topic.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and
> >>>> only about a dozen actual
> >>>> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is
> >>>> not a big deal. Novel
> >>>> >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious
> >>>> than SARS, but not
> >>>> >>> particularly deadly.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

[Harold Bledsoe]

I use arlo cameras and they have multi-camera plans:
https://www.arlo.com/en-us/landing/arlosmart/default.aspx

I'm on the $10/mo for up to 10 cameras.  They don't stream 24/7 but rather
just upload motion detected events and you can view live of course.

On the local viewing, some of this depends on how the local network is
setup.  The app needs to be able to detect that the cameras are local and
then make a local connection instead of streaming through the internet.
There's a few different ways to do this and a longer discussion on
pros/cons of doing it.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 6:52 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> The individual WiFi cameras streaming to the cloud just isn’t a scalable
> solution.  The cloud service charges per month per camera, and if you have
> a bunch of 4 MP cameras all streaming to the cloud, the upstream data rate
> is unreasonable for most people unless they have fiber or cable Internet,
> even so, they may not have enough upstream because of the asymmetrical
> bandwidth plans.  Add the fact that all the outdoor cameras are probably at
> something like a -89 WiFi signal and are impacting everything else on the
> WiFi.  Of course an NVR doesn’t fix the WiFi issue, and most people are not
> going to view running a bunch of Cat5 cables as a fun weekend project.
> Although before everything went to cloud, app, and Internet based, I knew
> people who would run coax everywhere for analog cameras for the system they
> bought for $200 at Costco.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 5:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
>
>
>
> Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk
> away with the evidence.  If the video is in the cloud... you have it up
> till they destroy the camera or internet connection.
>
>
>
> [image: photograph]
>
>
> *Daniel White*Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
>
> *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766
> *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39:
>
> Good point about the NVR.  Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may 
> sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, 
> inside and outside  the house.  An NVR gives you local storage and viewing 
> for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing.  I 
> guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the 
> cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and 
> Facebook and Google snooping on them.
>
>
>
> It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an 
> Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital 
> cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE.  But getting people to run Cat5 cable 
> is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire 
> the house for data while it's being built.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: AF   On Behalf Of 
> Andrew Haninger
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
>
>
>
> Here's a good thread that recently came up on /.
>
> https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof  
>  wrote:
>
> Security cameras seem to be all the rage.  Many WiFi issues, but also I’m 
> tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the 
> customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room.  I understand when 
> they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s 
> butt walking away from the house.  But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth 
> when the customer is at home, for the data to go 
> house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house.  Or might go over cellular to the phone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if 
> everything stayed on their LAN.  Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, 
> black screens, etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set 
> up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer 
> is away from home?  Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric 
> that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and 
> back?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] New Telrad Feature

[Harold Bledsoe]

Oops sorry to repost this Steve!  ;-)

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 3:55 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0131765/ a shout out to debbi diamond perhaps
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 1:42 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Must be the work of that new terrorist group Anal ISIS.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 15, 2019 1:27 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Telrad Feature
>>
>>
>>
>> That would have been anal - izer.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/15/2019 11:19 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> My colleague showed me the attached error message in a fit of laughter.
>>
>> Was this a feature request by Steve Jones perhaps?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] New Telrad Feature

[Harold Bledsoe]

I think there was a movie made about it:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0131765/

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 2:20 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> My colleague showed me the attached error message in a fit of laughter.
>
> Was this a feature request by Steve Jones perhaps?
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed switch

[Harold Bledsoe]

There's a few different tiers of managed:

- Web smart switch (limited features like vlans, light qos, trunking, maybe
some mirroring, etc.)
- L2 fully managed (300 page manual)
- L3 fully managed (same as above but with some layer 3 features added)

Then above this there are more specialized switches like datacenter (open
compute or just managed switches with added features like SPB or Trill,
etc.) or maybe Metro ethernet switches that have some special stuff for
that segment.

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 12:03 PM  wrote:

> Hmmm, so if there is anything at all that can be configured, then it is a
> managed switch.  I guess that makes sense.  I always presumed that it
> guaranteed VLAN abilities.
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2019 9:58 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Managed switch
>
> It’s a blurry line but I would say if the switch has a management
> interface it’s a managed switch.   From there it’s a crap shoot as to what
> features the switch has.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mar 11, 2019, at 11:55 AM,   wrote:
>
> I thought I knew this but I guess not.
> A non managed switch is just a switch.  A step up from a hub in that each
> port has exclusive ability to connect to any of the other ports without
> interfering with traffic on uninvolved ports.
>
> A managed switch can do VLANs and QOS and other fun things.
>
> Right?
>
> But this morning I am running into an “unmanaged” switch that can do QOS
> and other things.
> Where is the dividing line between managed and unmanaged.
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[AFMUG] LTE band 48

[Harold Bledsoe]

Not sure if this was already posted or not:

https://9to5google.com/2019/01/03/google-pixel-3-cbrs-support/

It will be interesting to see what infrastructure will be used to support
it.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Harold Bledsoe]

I thought it was a better version of quiet place.

Bandersnatch?  I read choose your own adventure books growing up.  Kinda
cool...

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 7:44 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>
>
> <http://www.gigabit1.com/>
>
> Bird Box anyone?
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of "li...@packetflux.com" <
> li...@packetflux.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 7:51 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>
>
> I rarely say this. ..
>
>
>
> Aquaman is best seen on a real imax screen in 3D.   In fact, it's the only
> recent movie that I'd say was that way.  In non imax theatres they cut the
> film to fit the screen,  and almost all of the film is in imax format.
> The 3d is done very well as well.   I don't think there's a full sized imax
> in utah,  but I believe several of the megaplex theatres have a larger
> screen with at least the right aspect ratio.   You want to be about half
> way up the screen and close enough to fill your vision possible since the
> movie is shot to be an immersive experience.
>
>
>
> Of course some people don't like watching movies that way...and it
> definitely is easy to get too closev as well.
>
>
>
> I don't know if you saw spiderman in 3d, but we did.   They used 3d to
> great effect there as well.  They made it look layered like a comic would
> have been produced.
>
>
>
> Most of the time we find that 3d doesn't really add much,  both of these
> were the exception.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2019, 10:23 AM Chuck McCown 
> My wife wanted aquaman due to the eye candy content.  I went with the
> ratings on rotten tomatoes.  Should have let her have the eye candy...
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 01, 2019 10:13 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* OT Movie Review
>
>
>
> Spiderman
>
> Meh +
>
> It is animated.  Had not anticipated that.  I liked the comic book half
> tone style of color and shading.  It was fun to watch.  But it was just a
> long cartoon.  Not much tension or science.
>
>
>
>
>
> Get off my lawn...
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Re: [AFMUG] The next generation of wireless networking will be called WiFi 6

[Harold Bledsoe]

AD is old school.  AY is coming now.  ;-)  So you can have an AX/AY router
- throw in Zigbee or Zwave and you get your Z too!

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 11:02 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not sure if this will help or hurt.  At least in the WiFi router industry,
> which markets primarily based on WiFi speed.
>
>
>
> Nobody says “802.11ac” or “802.11ax”, at least not to consumers.  It has
> always been Wireless-B, Wireless-G, Wireless-N, and Wireless-AC.  OK, maybe
> it’s a confusing to consumers that once you get to Z, you start with AA,
> AB, etc.
>
>
>
> Also the manufacturers have started appending a capacity number, like N600
> or AC1750.  That is a little deceptive if someone really believes that an
> AC1750 router gives them 1.75 Gbps WiFi speed.  First because it’s an
> over-the-air speed and you have to cut all WiFi speed claims approximately
> in half.  Second because that’s the combined throughput of 2 or 3 radios in
> different bands or sub-bands, and achieving that capacity means
> distributing your devices over the various channels.  No device is going to
> see that number.
>
>
>
> But still, consumers are used to comparing N600 to AC1750 to AC5300.  I
> see that Netgear has an AD7200 802.11ac/ad router, that’s a little
> confusing.  I wonder where 802.11ad fits in the WiFi number plan?  I assume
> we’ll start seeing AX/AD routers.  Maybe they don’t consider AD to be
> WiFi.  Do they still use the term WiGig?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2018 9:34 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The next generation of wireless networking will be
> called WiFi 6
>
>
>
> It'll go back to letters, 802.11ii making it the most advanced
> WiFi technology ever!
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Better than 5G, but not as good as an iPhone X.  After WiFi 9, will the
> next one be WiFi X?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 3, 2018 6:29 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] The next generation of wireless networking will be
> called WiFi 6
>
>
>
>
> https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/03/the-next-generation-of-wireless-internet-will-be-called-wifi-6/
>
> Jaime Solorza
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Re: [AFMUG] Heeees Baaaaaack

[Harold Bledsoe]

Woohoo!!

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