Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Mark Radabaugh]

Ah, this was Oberlin College.   We all know that college is Nucking Futs.  It’s 
exactly what you would expect from a liberal arts school that costs $77k/year 
to send your kid to for a degree in art appreciation.

Mark



> On Oct 21, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> i read the losers' editorial in their college rag. I so wanted to choke this 
> entitled little tool. Their lack of understanding how the world actually 
> functions really concerns me for the future of the planet.
> COVID was supposed to resolve much of that issue, I can only hope for airborn 
> Ebola
> 
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 1:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
> Hell, we had kids with rifles and handguns in their lockers during deer 
> season.  Teachers too. 
> Very few kids turned out to be snowflakes.  A few fistfights now and then 
> gives you grit. 
>  
> And the funny thing to me is, the guys of my father’s generator that fought 
> WW2 (and my great uncle WW1) were tougher than the hubs of hell compared to 
> my generation. 
>  
> I think we are seeing devolution.  I read a junk news piece a couple of days 
> ago that a college student was triggered because a cis gendered man came to 
> the dorms to replace a radiator.  They thought that was some kind of a crime 
> I guess. 
>  
> From: Mark Radabaugh <>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:58 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>  
> Yeah, we didn’t know how good we had it when all we had to do was go sit in 
> the school hallway and practice kissing our ass goodby.Now the kids get 
> to worry about which loser is going to shoot the school up.
>  
> Of course in the 70’s 3/4 of the pickup trucks in the parking lot (which was 
> 3/4 of the vehicles) had hunting rifles and shotguns hanging in them.   You 
> really didn’t want to give everyone an excuse to start shooting at you.
>  
> Mark
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:
>>  
>> The good old days.  They eject one of our ambassadors and we eject one of 
>> theirs.  Firey speeches, defections.  Only one real enemy.  Life was good 
>> and we didn’t even know it. 
>>  
>> From: dmmoff...@gmail.com <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:07 AM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
>> Cc: 'Chuck McCown' <>
>> Subject: RE: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>  
>> He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.
>> 
>> Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> …..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick us 
>> into thinking it’s smart sometimes.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:04 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >
>> Cc: Chuck McCown >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Mike Hammett
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM
>> 
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would 
>> expect.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><~WRD0001.jpg> 
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><~WRD0001.jpg> 
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><~WRD0001.jpg>
>>  <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><~WRD0001.jpg> 
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><~WRD0001.jpg> 
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><~WRD0001.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> From: "Carl Peterson" >
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Google is giving me

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Josh Luthman]

Use SMX + AXOS cards.  Software's a lot better.  Cheaper up front.

Way more expensive in the long run, of course.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 4:58 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> We use Calix extensively and are seeing issues with 2.4GHz and the new U6x
> (2.5G SFP) hardware. Router says the band is on and ready to connect, but
> no devices work.
>
> I'm sure it's just a software issue, but the 844g/e platform before it has
> been very good.
>
> I'm getting a little annoyed with CMS lately. Hard to pull metrics or
> report on what's going on in my network in a quick and easy fashion. It
> needs an overhaul pretty desperately.
>
> Calix is a good all around platform, and we're happy to continue using
> them for the foreseeable future.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 1:26 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> chromosomal status, eliminate men and women from the equation. problem
>> solved
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:56 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For whatever reason, this reminds me of a podcast I listened to this
>>> morning.  Has to do with how the Olympics are trying to deal with women
>>> that might not be full on women.  Been dealing with it for decades.
>>> (Remember the USSR women weight lifters in the 1960s)?
>>> They still don’t totally have it down but are getting closer.
>>> Fascinating:
>>> https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/dutee
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:06 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>>
>>> i read the losers' editorial in their college rag. I so wanted to choke
>>> this entitled little tool. Their lack of understanding how the world
>>> actually functions really concerns me for the future of the planet.
>>> COVID was supposed to resolve much of that issue, I can only hope for
>>> airborn Ebola
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 1:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hell, we had kids with rifles and handguns in their lockers during deer
>>>> season.  Teachers too.
>>>> Very few kids turned out to be snowflakes.  A few fistfights now and
>>>> then gives you grit.
>>>>
>>>> And the funny thing to me is, the guys of my father’s generator that
>>>> fought WW2 (and my great uncle WW1) were tougher than the hubs of hell
>>>> compared to my generation.
>>>>
>>>> I think we are seeing devolution.  I read a junk news piece a couple of
>>>> days ago that a college student was triggered because a cis gendered man
>>>> came to the dorms to replace a radiator.  They thought that was some kind
>>>> of a crime I guess.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:58 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, we didn’t know how good we had it when all we had to do was go
>>>> sit in the school hallway and practice kissing our ass goodby.Now the
>>>> kids get to worry about which loser is going to shoot the school up.
>>>>
>>>> Of course in the 70’s 3/4 of the pickup trucks in the parking lot
>>>> (which was 3/4 of the vehicles) had hunting rifles and shotguns hanging in
>>>> them.   You really didn’t want to give everyone an excuse to start shooting
>>>> at you.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The good old days.  They eject one of our ambassadors and we eject one
>>>> of theirs.  Firey speeches, defections.  Only one real enemy.  Life was
>>>> good and we didn’t even know it.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:07 AM
>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown'
>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.
>>>>
>>>> Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> …..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick
>

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Ryan Ray]

We use Calix extensively and are seeing issues with 2.4GHz and the new U6x
(2.5G SFP) hardware. Router says the band is on and ready to connect, but
no devices work.

I'm sure it's just a software issue, but the 844g/e platform before it has
been very good.

I'm getting a little annoyed with CMS lately. Hard to pull metrics or
report on what's going on in my network in a quick and easy fashion. It
needs an overhaul pretty desperately.

Calix is a good all around platform, and we're happy to continue using them
for the foreseeable future.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 1:26 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> chromosomal status, eliminate men and women from the equation. problem
> solved
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:56 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> For whatever reason, this reminds me of a podcast I listened to this
>> morning.  Has to do with how the Olympics are trying to deal with women
>> that might not be full on women.  Been dealing with it for decades.
>> (Remember the USSR women weight lifters in the 1960s)?
>> They still don’t totally have it down but are getting closer.
>> Fascinating:
>> https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/dutee
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:06 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>
>> i read the losers' editorial in their college rag. I so wanted to choke
>> this entitled little tool. Their lack of understanding how the world
>> actually functions really concerns me for the future of the planet.
>> COVID was supposed to resolve much of that issue, I can only hope for
>> airborn Ebola
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 1:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hell, we had kids with rifles and handguns in their lockers during deer
>>> season.  Teachers too.
>>> Very few kids turned out to be snowflakes.  A few fistfights now and
>>> then gives you grit.
>>>
>>> And the funny thing to me is, the guys of my father’s generator that
>>> fought WW2 (and my great uncle WW1) were tougher than the hubs of hell
>>> compared to my generation.
>>>
>>> I think we are seeing devolution.  I read a junk news piece a couple of
>>> days ago that a college student was triggered because a cis gendered man
>>> came to the dorms to replace a radiator.  They thought that was some kind
>>> of a crime I guess.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:58 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>>
>>> Yeah, we didn’t know how good we had it when all we had to do was go sit
>>> in the school hallway and practice kissing our ass goodby.Now the kids
>>> get to worry about which loser is going to shoot the school up.
>>>
>>> Of course in the 70’s 3/4 of the pickup trucks in the parking lot (which
>>> was 3/4 of the vehicles) had hunting rifles and shotguns hanging in them.
>>> You really didn’t want to give everyone an excuse to start shooting at you.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The good old days.  They eject one of our ambassadors and we eject one
>>> of theirs.  Firey speeches, defections.  Only one real enemy.  Life was
>>> good and we didn’t even know it.
>>>
>>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:07 AM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown'
>>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>>
>>>
>>> He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.
>>>
>>> Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> …..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick
>>> us into thinking it’s smart sometimes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:04 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Steve Jones]

chromosomal status, eliminate men and women from the equation. problem
solved

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:56 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> For whatever reason, this reminds me of a podcast I listened to this
> morning.  Has to do with how the Olympics are trying to deal with women
> that might not be full on women.  Been dealing with it for decades.
> (Remember the USSR women weight lifters in the 1960s)?
> They still don’t totally have it down but are getting closer.  Fascinating:
> https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/dutee
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:06 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
> i read the losers' editorial in their college rag. I so wanted to choke
> this entitled little tool. Their lack of understanding how the world
> actually functions really concerns me for the future of the planet.
> COVID was supposed to resolve much of that issue, I can only hope for
> airborn Ebola
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 1:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Hell, we had kids with rifles and handguns in their lockers during deer
>> season.  Teachers too.
>> Very few kids turned out to be snowflakes.  A few fistfights now and then
>> gives you grit.
>>
>> And the funny thing to me is, the guys of my father’s generator that
>> fought WW2 (and my great uncle WW1) were tougher than the hubs of hell
>> compared to my generation.
>>
>> I think we are seeing devolution.  I read a junk news piece a couple of
>> days ago that a college student was triggered because a cis gendered man
>> came to the dorms to replace a radiator.  They thought that was some kind
>> of a crime I guess.
>>
>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:58 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>
>> Yeah, we didn’t know how good we had it when all we had to do was go sit
>> in the school hallway and practice kissing our ass goodby.Now the kids
>> get to worry about which loser is going to shoot the school up.
>>
>> Of course in the 70’s 3/4 of the pickup trucks in the parking lot (which
>> was 3/4 of the vehicles) had hunting rifles and shotguns hanging in them.
>> You really didn’t want to give everyone an excuse to start shooting at you.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The good old days.  They eject one of our ambassadors and we eject one of
>> theirs.  Firey speeches, defections.  Only one real enemy.  Life was good
>> and we didn’t even know it.
>>
>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:07 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown'
>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>
>>
>> He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.
>>
>> Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.
>>
>>
>>
>> …..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick
>> us into thinking it’s smart sometimes.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:04 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>
>>
>>
>> Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would
>> expect.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><~WRD0001.jpg>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <~WRD0001.jpg>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><~WRD0001.jpg>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

For whatever reason, this reminds me of a podcast I listened to this morning.  
Has to do with how the Olympics are trying to deal with women that might not be 
full on women.  Been dealing with it for decades. (Remember the USSR women 
weight lifters in the 1960s)? 
They still don’t totally have it down but are getting closer.  Fascinating:
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/dutee

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

i read the losers' editorial in their college rag. I so wanted to choke this 
entitled little tool. Their lack of understanding how the world actually 
functions really concerns me for the future of the planet. 
COVID was supposed to resolve much of that issue, I can only hope for airborn 
Ebola

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 1:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Hell, we had kids with rifles and handguns in their lockers during deer 
season.  Teachers too.  
  Very few kids turned out to be snowflakes.  A few fistfights now and then 
gives you grit.  

  And the funny thing to me is, the guys of my father’s generator that fought 
WW2 (and my great uncle WW1) were tougher than the hubs of hell compared to my 
generation.  

  I think we are seeing devolution.  I read a junk news piece a couple of days 
ago that a college student was triggered because a cis gendered man came to the 
dorms to replace a radiator.  They thought that was some kind of a crime I 
guess.  

  From: Mark Radabaugh 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:58 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

  Yeah, we didn’t know how good we had it when all we had to do was go sit in 
the school hallway and practice kissing our ass goodby.Now the kids get to 
worry about which loser is going to shoot the school up. 

  Of course in the 70’s 3/4 of the pickup trucks in the parking lot (which was 
3/4 of the vehicles) had hunting rifles and shotguns hanging in them.   You 
really didn’t want to give everyone an excuse to start shooting at you.


  Mark



On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

The good old days.  They eject one of our ambassadors and we eject one of 
theirs.  Firey speeches, defections.  Only one real enemy.  Life was good and 
we didn’t even know it.  

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: 'Chuck McCown' 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.

Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.



…..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick us 
into thinking it’s smart sometimes.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP



Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?



From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP



Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would 
expect.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
<~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>
Midwest Internet Exchange
<~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>
The Brothers WISP
<~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>







From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Mike, 



Google is giving me a warning about your account. 



The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links, 
downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know the 
sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email).





On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  <~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>
  Midwest Internet Exchange
  <~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>
  The Brothers WISP
  <~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>





--

      From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

  Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked?

  I'm not

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Steve Jones]

i read the losers' editorial in their college rag. I so wanted to choke
this entitled little tool. Their lack of understanding how the world
actually functions really concerns me for the future of the planet.
COVID was supposed to resolve much of that issue, I can only hope for
airborn Ebola

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 1:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Hell, we had kids with rifles and handguns in their lockers during deer
> season.  Teachers too.
> Very few kids turned out to be snowflakes.  A few fistfights now and then
> gives you grit.
>
> And the funny thing to me is, the guys of my father’s generator that
> fought WW2 (and my great uncle WW1) were tougher than the hubs of hell
> compared to my generation.
>
> I think we are seeing devolution.  I read a junk news piece a couple of
> days ago that a college student was triggered because a cis gendered man
> came to the dorms to replace a radiator.  They thought that was some kind
> of a crime I guess.
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:58 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
> Yeah, we didn’t know how good we had it when all we had to do was go sit
> in the school hallway and practice kissing our ass goodby.Now the kids
> get to worry about which loser is going to shoot the school up.
>
> Of course in the 70’s 3/4 of the pickup trucks in the parking lot (which
> was 3/4 of the vehicles) had hunting rifles and shotguns hanging in them.
> You really didn’t want to give everyone an excuse to start shooting at you.
>
> Mark
>
> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> The good old days.  They eject one of our ambassadors and we eject one of
> theirs.  Firey speeches, defections.  Only one real enemy.  Life was good
> and we didn’t even know it.
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:07 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown'
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
>
> He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.
>
> Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.
>
>
>
> …..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick us
> into thinking it’s smart sometimes.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
>
>
> Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
>
>
> Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would
> expect.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><~WRD0001.jpg>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <~WRD0001.jpg>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><~WRD0001.jpg>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><~WRD0001.jpg>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><~WRD0001.jpg>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Carl Peterson" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
> Mike,
>
>
>
> Google is giving me a warning about your account.
>
>
>
> The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links,
> downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know
> the sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email).
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><~WRD0001.jpg>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutio

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Hell, we had kids with rifles and handguns in their lockers during deer season. 
 Teachers too.  
Very few kids turned out to be snowflakes.  A few fistfights now and then gives 
you grit.  

And the funny thing to me is, the guys of my father’s generator that fought WW2 
(and my great uncle WW1) were tougher than the hubs of hell compared to my 
generation.  

I think we are seeing devolution.  I read a junk news piece a couple of days 
ago that a college student was triggered because a cis gendered man came to the 
dorms to replace a radiator.  They thought that was some kind of a crime I 
guess.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Yeah, we didn’t know how good we had it when all we had to do was go sit in the 
school hallway and practice kissing our ass goodby.Now the kids get to 
worry about which loser is going to shoot the school up. 

Of course in the 70’s 3/4 of the pickup trucks in the parking lot (which was 
3/4 of the vehicles) had hunting rifles and shotguns hanging in them.   You 
really didn’t want to give everyone an excuse to start shooting at you.


Mark



  On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  The good old days.  They eject one of our ambassadors and we eject one of 
theirs.  Firey speeches, defections.  Only one real enemy.  Life was good and 
we didn’t even know it.  

  From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:07 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Cc: 'Chuck McCown' 
  Subject: RE: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

  He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.

  Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.

   

  …..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick us 
into thinking it’s smart sometimes.

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:04 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

   

  Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?

   

  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

   

  Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would expect.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  <~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>
  Midwest Internet Exchange
  <~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>
  The Brothers WISP
  <~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>





--

  From: "Carl Peterson" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

  Mike, 

   

  Google is giving me a warning about your account. 

   

  The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links, 
downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know the 
sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email).

   

   

  On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
<~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>
Midwest Internet Exchange
<~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>
The Brothers WISP
<~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>





--------

From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked?

I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet 
seen GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors.  
Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you 
went with?

 

 

On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  "no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't 
Calix" 

   

  and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with 
Calix for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  <~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>
  Midwest Internet Exchange
  <~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>
  The Brothers WISP
  <~WRD0001.jpg><~WRD0001.jpg>





----------

      From: "Daniel White&q

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Mark Radabaugh]

Yeah, we didn’t know how good we had it when all we had to do was go sit in the 
school hallway and practice kissing our ass goodby.Now the kids get to 
worry about which loser is going to shoot the school up.

Of course in the 70’s 3/4 of the pickup trucks in the parking lot (which was 
3/4 of the vehicles) had hunting rifles and shotguns hanging in them.   You 
really didn’t want to give everyone an excuse to start shooting at you.

Mark

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> The good old days.  They eject one of our ambassadors and we eject one of 
> theirs.  Firey speeches, defections.  Only one real enemy.  Life was good and 
> we didn’t even know it. 
>  
> From: dmmoff...@gmail.com <>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:07 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
> Cc: 'Chuck McCown' <>
> Subject: RE: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>  
> He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.
> Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.
>  
> …..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick us 
> into thinking it’s smart sometimes.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:04 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Cc: Chuck McCown 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>  
> Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?
>  
> From: Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>  
> Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would expect.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><~WRD0001.jpg> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><~WRD0001.jpg> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><~WRD0001.jpg>
>  <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><~WRD0001.jpg> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><~WRD0001.jpg> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><~WRD0001.jpg>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Carl Peterson" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
> 
> Mike,
>  
> Google is giving me a warning about your account.
>  
> The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links, 
> downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know 
> the sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email).
>  
>  
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
> It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><~WRD0001.jpg> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><~WRD0001.jpg> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><~WRD0001.jpg>
>  <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><~WRD0001.jpg> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><~WRD0001.jpg> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <~WRD0001.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><~WRD0001.jpg>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
> 
> Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked?
> 
> I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet 
> seen GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other 
> vendors.  Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever 
> vendor you went with?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> "no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix"
>

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[TJ Trout]

Mike, I'm getting the same warning from Gmail, I keep clicking 'looks safe'

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:07 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Mandarin oranges are good.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown via AF" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Cc: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:04:01 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
> Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
> Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would
> expect.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Carl Peterson" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
> Mike,
>
> Google is giving me a warning about your account.
>
>
> The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links,
> downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know
> the sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email).
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>
>> Is there any such thing as a GPON system that *isn't* vendor locked?
>>
>> I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't
>> yet seen GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other
>> vendors.  Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever
>> vendor you went with?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> "no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't
>> Calix"
>>
>> and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with
>> Calix for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
&

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[James Howard]

That’s why he’s always trying to convince us to use that banned Chinese 
equipment.  Oh wait, he says not to use it.  That’s clearly just him trying to 
confuse us.

From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:08 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.
Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.

…..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick us into 
thinking it’s smart sometimes.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would expect.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[Image removed by 
sender.]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[Image 
removed by 
sender.]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[Image
 removed by sender.]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[Image removed by 
sender.]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[Image 
removed by sender.]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[Image 
removed by sender.]


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Carl Peterson" 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
Mike,

Google is giving me a warning about your account.


The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links, 
downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know the 
sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email).


On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[Image removed by 
sender.]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[Image 
removed by 
sender.]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[Image
 removed by sender.]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[Image removed by 
sender.]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[Image 
removed by sender.]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[Image 
removed by sender.]


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
____
From: "Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked?

I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet seen 
GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors.  
Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you 
went with?




On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix"

and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix 
for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[Image removed by 
sender.]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[Image 
removed by 
sender.]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[Image
 removed by sender.]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

The good old days.  They eject one of our ambassadors and we eject one of 
theirs.  Firey speeches, defections.  Only one real enemy.  Life was good and 
we didn’t even know it.  

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:07 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: 'Chuck McCown' 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.

Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.

 

…..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick us into 
thinking it’s smart sometimes.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

 

Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

 

Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would expect.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Mike, 

 

Google is giving me a warning about your account. 

 

The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links, 
downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know the 
sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email).

 

 

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

  Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked?

  I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet 
seen GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors.  
Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you 
went with?

   

   

  On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't 
Calix" 

 

and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with 
Calix for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Daniel White" mailto:dwh...@atheral.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision 
server.  When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the 
config file based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or 
serves up a file already created.  

There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that 
isn't Calix.  That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials.  There 
is no way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a 
SIP provisioning server.  So the only option you have is to manually add the 
credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them 
into the Calix Cloud.

There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any 
reason I can think of why there is not.  But Calix has a hell of a play to pay 
mentality and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork 
and bureaucracy. 

 


 Daniel White
Co-Founder
   
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
   
 
 

  D. Bernardi

  October 15, 2021 at 11:49

  At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: 

Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" 
Content-Language: en-US 

Carl, 

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs 
(Gigacenter and Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option which is a 
shame. 



  Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? 



Daniel White 
Co-Founder 
phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 

  Carl Peterson 
  October 1

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[dmmoffett]

He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.

Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.

 

…..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick us into 
thinking it’s smart sometimes.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

 

Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

 

Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would expect.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 




  _  

From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Mike, 

 

Google is giving me a warning about your account. 

 

The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links, 
downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know the 
sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email).

 

 

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 





  _  


From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked?

I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet seen 
GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors.  
Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you 
went with?

 

 

On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix" 

 

and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix 
for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> 
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> 
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> 
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 





  _  


From: "Daniel White" mailto:dwh...@atheral.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server.  
When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file 
based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a 
file already created.  

There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't 
Calix.  That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials.  There is no 
way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a SIP 
provisioning server.  So the only option you have is to manually add the 
credentials by first creating them 

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Mike Hammett]

Mandarin oranges are good. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown via AF"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:04:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 




Is your name really Mike? Do you know Mandarin? 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would expect. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Carl Peterson"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


Mike, 

Google is giving me a warning about your account. 


The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links, 
downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know the 
sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email). 



On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked? 
I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet seen 
GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors. 
Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you 
went with? 


On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix" 

and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix 
for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Daniel White" mailto:dwh...@atheral.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server. 
When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file 
based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a 
file already created. 

There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't 
Calix. That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials. There is no 
way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a SIP 
provisioning server. So the only option you have is to manually add the 
credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them 
into the Calix Cloud. 

There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any reason I 
can think of why there is not. But Calix has a hell of a play to pay mentality 
and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork and 
bureaucracy. 



photograph  
Daniel White 
Co-Founder 
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 





D. Bernardi 
October 15, 2021 at 11:49 
At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: 


Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" 
Content-Language: en-US 

Carl, 

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and 
Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. 




Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? 




Daniel White 
Co-Founder 
phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 


Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 09:21 
our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could 
point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I 
have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  



-- 

Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 

Baltimore, MD 21202 

(410) 637-3707Â 


Chuck McCown via AF 
October 13, 2021 at 07:59 
If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. 

Sent from my iPhone 



Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 06:27 
I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the 
past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to 
configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? 
GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  

E7-2_GPON-4r2Â Voice–NativeSIP

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would expect.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP


Mike, 

Google is giving me a warning about your account. 

The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links, 
downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know the 
sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email).




On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP


  Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked?

  I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet 
seen GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors.  
Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you 
went with?





  On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't 
Calix" 

and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with 
Calix for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Daniel White" mailto:dwh...@atheral.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP


So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision 
server.  When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the 
config file based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or 
serves up a file already created.  

There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that 
isn't Calix.  That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials.  There 
is no way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a 
SIP provisioning server.  So the only option you have is to manually add the 
credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them 
into the Calix Cloud.

There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any 
reason I can think of why there is not.  But Calix has a hell of a play to pay 
mentality and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork 
and bureaucracy. 


 Daniel White
Co-Founder 
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
   
 

  D. BernardiOctober 15, 2021 at 11:49
  At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: 

Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" 
Content-Language: en-US 

Carl, 

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs 
(Gigacenter and Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option which is a 
shame. 



  Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? 



Daniel White 
Co-Founder 
phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 

  Carl Peterson 
  October 13, 2021 at 09:21 
  our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks.  Any chance 
you could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP 
service?  I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  



  -- 

  Carl Peterson 

  PORT NETWORKS 

  401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 

  Baltimore, MD 21202 

  (410) 637-3707Â 


  Chuck McCown via AF 
  October 13, 2021 at 07:59 
  If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. 

  Sent from my iPhone 



  Carl Peterson 
  October 13, 2021 at 06:27 
  I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone 
service.  In the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. 
 Is it possible to configure something like this and then just 

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Mike Hammett]

Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would expect. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Carl Peterson"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


Mike, 


Google is giving me a warning about your account. 



The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links, 
downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know the 
sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email). 



On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked? 
I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet seen 
GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors. 
Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you 
went with? 




On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix" 


and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix 
for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Daniel White"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server. 
When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file 
based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a 
file already created. 

There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't 
Calix. That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials. There is no 
way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a SIP 
provisioning server. So the only option you have is to manually add the 
credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them 
into the Calix Cloud. 

There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any reason I 
can think of why there is not. But Calix has a hell of a play to pay mentality 
and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork and 
bureaucracy. 



photograph  
Daniel White 
Co-Founder 
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 





D. Bernardi 
October 15, 2021 at 11:49 
At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: 


Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" 
Content-Language: en-US 

Carl, 

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and 
Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. 




Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? 




Daniel White 
Co-Founder 
phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 


Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 09:21 
our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could 
point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I 
have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  



-- 

Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 

Baltimore, MD 21202 

(410) 637-3707Â 


Chuck McCown via AF 
October 13, 2021 at 07:59 
If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. 

Sent from my iPhone 



Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 06:27 
I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the 
past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to 
configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? 
GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  

E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 

-- 

Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 

Baltimore, MD 21202 

(410) 637-3707Â 




-- 
AF mailing list 
AF@af.afmug.com 
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com 







Daniel White 
October 15, 2021 at 10:19 

Carl, 

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and 
Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. 




Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 09:21 

our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could 
point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP serv

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Mike Hammett]

I have Calix in the CO as well as others, with paid support for both. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown via AF"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:41:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 




Calix hardware is reasonably priced. (I built much of my C.O. from Ebay parts.) 
I buy new 803G ONTs from Calix. I pay support and everything just works. The 
back end is exhaustively complete with features. I have been involved in many 
different patchwork systems in the past. Never again. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 4:40 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked? 
I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet seen 
GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors. 
Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you 
went with? 


On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix" 

and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix 
for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Daniel White" mailto:dwh...@atheral.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server. 
When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file 
based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a 
file already created. 

There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't 
Calix. That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials. There is no 
way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a SIP 
provisioning server. So the only option you have is to manually add the 
credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them 
into the Calix Cloud. 

There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any reason I 
can think of why there is not. But Calix has a hell of a play to pay mentality 
and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork and 
bureaucracy. 



photograph  
Daniel White 
Co-Founder 
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 





D. Bernardi 
October 15, 2021 at 11:49 
At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: 


Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" 
Content-Language: en-US 

Carl, 

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and 
Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. 




Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? 




Daniel White 
Co-Founder 
phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 


Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 09:21 
our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could 
point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I 
have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  



-- 

Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 

Baltimore, MD 21202 

(410) 637-3707Â 


Chuck McCown via AF 
October 13, 2021 at 07:59 
If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. 

Sent from my iPhone 



Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 06:27 
I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the 
past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to 
configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? 
GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  

E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 

-- 

Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 

Baltimore, MD 21202 

(410) 637-3707Â 




-- 
AF mailing list 
AF@af.afmug.com 
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com 







Daniel White 
October 15, 2021 at 10:19 

Carl, 

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and 
Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. 




Carl Peterson 
Octobe

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Carl Peterson]

Mike,

Google is giving me a warning about your account.

The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links,
downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know
the sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email).


On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
> Is there any such thing as a GPON system that *isn't* vendor locked?
>
> I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet
> seen GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other
> vendors.  Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever
> vendor you went with?
>
>
>
> On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> "no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't
> Calix"
>
> and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with
> Calix for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Daniel White"  
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
> So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision
> server.  When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the
> config file based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file
> or serves up a file already created.
>
> There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that
> isn't Calix.  That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials.
> There is no way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC
> address from a SIP provisioning server.  So the only option you have is to
> manually add the credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform
> and then entering them into the Calix Cloud.
>
> There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any
> reason I can think of why there is not.  But Calix has a hell of a play to
> pay mentality and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of
> paperwork and bureaucracy.
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> D. Bernardi 
> October 15, 2021 at 11:49
> At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote:
>
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>  boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE"
> Content-Language: en-US
>
> Carl,
>
> We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter
> and Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option which is a shame.
>
>
>
> Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI?
>
>
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder
> phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> Carl Peterson
> October 13, 2021 at 09:21
> our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks.  Any chance you
> could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP
> service?  I have no 

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Calix hardware is reasonably priced.  (I built much of my C.O. from Ebay 
parts.)  I buy new 803G ONTs from Calix.  I pay support and everything just 
works.  The back end is exhaustively complete with features.  I have been 
involved in many different patchwork systems in the past.  Never again.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 4:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP


Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked?

I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet seen 
GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors.  
Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you 
went with?





On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  "no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't 
Calix" 

  and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix 
for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Daniel White" mailto:dwh...@atheral.com
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP


  So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server.  
When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file 
based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a 
file already created.  

  There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that 
isn't Calix.  That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials.  There 
is no way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a 
SIP provisioning server.  So the only option you have is to manually add the 
credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them 
into the Calix Cloud.

  There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any reason 
I can think of why there is not.  But Calix has a hell of a play to pay 
mentality and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork 
and bureaucracy. 


   Daniel White
  Co-Founder 
  phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
  direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
 
   

D. BernardiOctober 15, 2021 at 11:49
At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: 

  Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
  boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" 
  Content-Language: en-US 

  Carl, 

  We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter 
and Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. 



Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? 



  Daniel White 
  Co-Founder 
  phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770 
  direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 

Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 09:21 
our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks.  Any chance you 
could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP 
service?  I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  



-- 

Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 

Baltimore, MD 21202 

(410) 637-3707Â 


Chuck McCown via AF 
October 13, 2021 at 07:59 
If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. 

Sent from my iPhone 



Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 06:27 
I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. 
 In the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive.  Is it 
possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on 
the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  

E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 

-- 

Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 

Baltimore, MD 21202 

(410) 637-3707Â 



  -- 
  AF mailing list 
  AF@af.afmug.com 
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com 




Daniel WhiteOctober 15, 2021 at 10:19
Carl,

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter 
and Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option which is a shame.


Carl PetersonOctober 13, 2

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Mike Hammett]

It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked? 
I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet seen 
GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors. 
Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you 
went with? 




On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix" 


and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix 
for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Daniel White"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server. 
When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file 
based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a 
file already created. 

There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't 
Calix. That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials. There is no 
way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a SIP 
provisioning server. So the only option you have is to manually add the 
credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them 
into the Calix Cloud. 

There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any reason I 
can think of why there is not. But Calix has a hell of a play to pay mentality 
and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork and 
bureaucracy. 



photograph  
Daniel White 
Co-Founder 
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 





D. Bernardi 
October 15, 2021 at 11:49 
At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: 


Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" 
Content-Language: en-US 

Carl, 

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and 
Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. 




Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? 




Daniel White 
Co-Founder 
phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 


Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 09:21 
our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could 
point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I 
have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  



-- 

Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 

Baltimore, MD 21202 

(410) 637-3707Â 


Chuck McCown via AF 
October 13, 2021 at 07:59 
If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. 

Sent from my iPhone 



Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 06:27 
I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the 
past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to 
configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? 
GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  

E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 

-- 

Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 

Baltimore, MD 21202 

(410) 637-3707Â 




-- 
AF mailing list 
AF@af.afmug.com 
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com 







Daniel White 
October 15, 2021 at 10:19 

Carl, 

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and 
Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. 




Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 09:21 

our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could 
point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I 
have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. 



-- 



Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 




Chuck McCown via AF 
October 13, 2021 at 07:59 
If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. 


Sent from my iPhone 






Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 06:27 

I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the 
past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to 
configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? 
GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. 


E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 

-- 



Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 2

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[D. Bernardi]

There are options for GPON, and far more for 10G 
PON.  If you contact me off-list I can share some details.



At 12:19 PM 10/19/2021, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="699B4EB3855602C5F86113E3"
Content-Language: en-US

Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked?

I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm 
just thinking I haven't yet seen GPON equipment 
that made any assertions about interop with 
other vendors.  Unless you went ActiveE aren't 
you still locked in with whatever vendor you went with?




On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning 
server on boot-up that isn't Calix"


and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons 
I opted to not go with Calix for our fiber 
system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti.




-
Mike Hammett
<http://www.ics-il.com/>Intelligent Computing Solutions

<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>Midwest Internet Exchange

<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>The Brothers WISP
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>




--
From: "Daniel White" <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

So with most VoIP devices... you can point them 
to an auto-provision server.  When they boot 
up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for 
the config file based on MAC address, the 
provisioning server creates the file or serves up a file already created.Â


There is no way to direct an ONT to a 
provisioning server on boot-up that isn't 
Calix.  That is where the ONT expects to find 
the SIP credentials.  There is no way to have 
the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC 
address from a SIP provisioning server.  So 
the only option you have is to manually add the 
credentials by first creating them on the VoIP 
platform and then entering them into the Calix Cloud.


There could be a way to do this via API... and 
really there isn't any reason I can think of 
why there is not.  But Calix has a hell of a 
play to pay mentality and partnering with them 
in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy.


Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
D. Bernardi
October 15, 2021 at 11:49
At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote:
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE"
Content-Language: en-US

Carl,

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service 
using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and 
Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option which is a shame.




Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI?


Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
Carl Peterson
October 13, 2021 at 09:21
our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs 
jacks.  Any chance you could point me in the 
right direction as to how to start configuring 
VOIP service?  I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. Â




--

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707Â


Chuck McCown via AF
October 13, 2021 at 07:59
If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.

Sent from my iPhone



Carl Peterson
October 13, 2021 at 06:27
I've got a few business customers who would 
like to add phone service.  In the past we 
have just set them up with a service like 
Goto/Jive.  Is it possible to configure 
something like this and then just use the POTS 
port on the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. Â


E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupportÂ

--

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707Â


--
AF mailing list
<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com



Daniel White
October 15, 2021 at 10:19
Carl,

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service 
using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and 
Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option which is a shame.


Carl Peterson
October 13, 2021 at 09:21
our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs 
jacks.  Any chance you could point me in the 
right direction as to how to start configuring 
VOIP service?  I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. Â




--

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707Â


Chuck McCown via AF
October 13, 2021 at 07:59
If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.

Sent from my iPhone



Carl Peterson
October 13, 2021 at 06:27
I've got a few business customers who would 
like to add phone service.  In the past we 
have just set them up with a service like 
Goto/Jive.  Is it possible to configure 
something like this and then just use the POTS 
port on the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. Â


E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–Nat

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Adam Moffett]

Is there any such thing as a GPON system that /isn't/ vendor locked?

I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't 
yet seen GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with 
other vendors.  Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with 
whatever vendor you went with?




On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that 
isn't Calix"


and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with 
Calix for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Daniel White" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision 
server.  When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for 
the config file based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates 
the file or serves up a file already created.


There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up 
that isn't Calix.  That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP 
credentials.  There is no way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials 
based on MAC address from a SIP provisioning server.  So the only 
option you have is to manually add the credentials by first creating 
them on the VoIP platform and then entering them into the Calix Cloud.


There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any 
reason I can think of why there is not. But Calix has a hell of a play 
to pay mentality and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a 
lot of paperwork and bureaucracy.


photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

D. Bernardi <mailto:dberna...@zitomedia.net>
October 15, 2021 at 11:49
At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE"
Content-Language: en-US

Carl,

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs
(Gigacenter and Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision
option which is a shame.



Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI?


Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766

Carl Peterson
October 13, 2021 at 09:21
our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. 
Any chance you could point me in the right direction as to
how to start configuring VOIP service?  I have no idea
how to even begin thinking about it. Â



-- 


Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707Â


Chuck McCown via AF
October 13, 2021 at 07:59
If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.

Sent from my iPhone



Carl Peterson
October 13, 2021 at 06:27
I've got a few business customers who would like to add
phone service.  In the past we have just set them up with
a service like Goto/Jive.  Is it possible to configure
something like this and then just use the POTS port on the
ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. Â

E7-2_GPON-4r2Â Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupportÂ

-- 


Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707Â


-- 
AF mailing list

AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com



Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>
October 15, 2021 at 10:19
Carl,

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs
(Gigacenter and Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option
which is a shame.

Carl Peterson <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
October 13, 2021 at 09:21
our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jac

Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Steve Jones]

Ha, contracts, terms of service, aup.. meh. They always never knew it
wouldnt work

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 12:22 PM Daniel White  wrote:

> Failover rules when a device is offline is pretty straightforward.
>
> The e911 disclosure they have to sign should be pretty clear things won't
> work if the internet no longer works.
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> Steve Jones 
> October 13, 2021 at 10:43
> One thing I hate about provider VOIP in a lot of cases is that when their
> service goes down, their phone options are down. Got/Jive solutions offer
> failover options. We had a few of our contract services customers move to
> cableco based VOIP bundled with their data package against advice. When
> their service goes down they want to know why their phones stop working
> with no failover to cell or backup internet. "I told you so" is a hard
> concept for them to grasp when theyve gone off grid
>
>
>
> Carl Peterson 
> October 13, 2021 at 09:21
> our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks.  Any chance you
> could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP
> service?  I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
> October 13, 2021 at 07:59
> If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> Carl Peterson 
> October 13, 2021 at 06:27
> I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service.  In
> the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive.  Is it
> possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port
> on the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.
>
> E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport
>
> --
>
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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Mike Hammett]

"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix" 


and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix 
for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Daniel White"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server. 
When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file 
based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a 
file already created. 

There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't 
Calix. That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials. There is no 
way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a SIP 
provisioning server. So the only option you have is to manually add the 
credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them 
into the Calix Cloud. 

There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any reason I 
can think of why there is not. But Calix has a hell of a play to pay mentality 
and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork and 
bureaucracy. 


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D. Bernardi 
October 15, 2021 at 11:49 
At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: 


Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" 
Content-Language: en-US 

Carl, 

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and 
Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. 




Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? 




Daniel White 
Co-Founder 
phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 


Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 09:21 
our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could 
point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I 
have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  



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Chuck McCown via AF 
October 13, 2021 at 07:59 
If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. 

Sent from my iPhone 



Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 06:27 
I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the 
past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to 
configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? 
GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  

E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 

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Daniel White 
October 15, 2021 at 10:19 

Carl, 

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and 
Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. 




Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 09:21 

our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could 
point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I 
have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. 



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Chuck McCown via AF 
October 13, 2021 at 07:59 
If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. 


Sent from my iPhone 






Carl Peterson 
October 13, 2021 at 06:27 

I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the 
past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to 
configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? 
GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. 


E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 

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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Mike Hammett]

Ugh, I read that wrong too early in the morning (yes, it's almost noon). 

I meant for inbound telco-wise. Yeah, if there's no service to the property, 
then they're SOL. The rest of it you should be able to engineer around. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:13:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


The only way to ensure uptime in the telco world is a multi-homed toll free 
number. I forget the actual term for it. 




- 
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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:43:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


One thing I hate about provider VOIP in a lot of cases is that when their 
service goes down, their phone options are down. Got/Jive solutions offer 
failover options. We had a few of our contract services customers move to 
cableco based VOIP bundled with their data package against advice. When their 
service goes down they want to know why their phones stop working with no 
failover to cell or backup internet. "I told you so" is a hard concept for them 
to grasp when theyve gone off grid 


On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:22 AM Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
wrote: 



our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could 
point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I 
have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. 


On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:02 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 



If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. 


Sent from my iPhone 



On Oct 13, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
wrote: 







I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the 
past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to 
configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? 
GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. 


E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 

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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Mike Hammett]

The only way to ensure uptime in the telco world is a multi-homed toll free 
number. I forget the actual term for it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:43:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP 


One thing I hate about provider VOIP in a lot of cases is that when their 
service goes down, their phone options are down. Got/Jive solutions offer 
failover options. We had a few of our contract services customers move to 
cableco based VOIP bundled with their data package against advice. When their 
service goes down they want to know why their phones stop working with no 
failover to cell or backup internet. "I told you so" is a hard concept for them 
to grasp when theyve gone off grid 


On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:22 AM Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
wrote: 



our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could 
point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I 
have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. 


On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:02 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 



If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. 


Sent from my iPhone 



On Oct 13, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
wrote: 







I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the 
past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to 
configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? 
GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. 


E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 

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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Daniel White]

So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision
server.  When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for
the config file based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates
the file or serves up a file already created. 

There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up
that isn't Calix.  That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP
credentials.  There is no way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials
based on MAC address from a SIP provisioning server.  So the only option
you have is to manually add the credentials by first creating them on
the VoIP platform and then entering them into the Calix Cloud.

There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any
reason I can think of why there is not.  But Calix has a hell of a play
to pay mentality and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a
lot of paperwork and bureaucracy.

photograph  
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Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

> D. Bernardi 
> October 15, 2021 at 11:49
> At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote:
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>  boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE"
>> Content-Language: en-US
>>
>> Carl,
>>
>> We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs
>> (Gigacenter and Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option which
>> is a shame.
>
>
> Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI?
>
>
>> Daniel White
>> Co-Founder
>> phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>> Carl Peterson
>>> October 13, 2021 at 09:21
>>> our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks.  Any chance
>>> you could point me in the right direction as to how to start
>>> configuring VOIP service?  I have no idea how to even begin
>>> thinking about it. Â
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Carl Peterson
>>>
>>> PORT NETWORKS
>>>
>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>>
>>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>>
>>> (410) 637-3707Â
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown via AF
>>> October 13, 2021 at 07:59
>>> If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carl Peterson
>>> October 13, 2021 at 06:27
>>> I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone
>>> service.  In the past we have just set them up with a service like
>>> Goto/Jive.  Is it possible to configure something like this and
>>> then just use the POTS port on the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it
>>> supports VOIP. Â
>>>
>>> E7-2_GPON-4r2Â Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupportÂ
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>>
>>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>>
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> Daniel White 
> October 15, 2021 at 10:19
> Carl,
>
> We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs
> (Gigacenter and Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option which
> is a shame.
>
> Carl Peterson 
> October 13, 2021 at 09:21
> our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks.  Any chance you
> could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring
> VOIP service?  I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707 
>
>
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
> October 13, 2021 at 07:59
> If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> Carl Peterson 
> October 13, 2021 at 06:27
> I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone
> service.  In the past we have just set them up with a service like
> Goto/Jive.  Is it possible to configure something like this and then
> just use the POTS port on the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  
>
> E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 
>
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>
> Carl Peterson
>
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>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[D. Bernardi]

At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE"
Content-Language: en-US

Carl,

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service 
using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and 
Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option which is a shame.



Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI?



Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone:Â +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766

Carl Peterson
October 13, 2021 at 09:21
our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs 
jacks.  Any chance you could point me in the 
right direction as to how to start configuring 
VOIP service?  I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. Â




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Chuck McCown via AF
October 13, 2021 at 07:59
If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.

Sent from my iPhone



Carl Peterson
October 13, 2021 at 06:27
I've got a few business customers who would 
like to add phone service.  In the past we 
have just set them up with a service like 
Goto/Jive.  Is it possible to configure 
something like this and then just use the POTS 
port on the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. Â


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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Carl Peterson]

Thanks Daniel,

I did scope out your site a bit the other day.  I'll reach out to you
offlist about it.  It doesn't seem like GoTo is going to work for it or at
least not in a way I'd want to count on.

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:20 PM Daniel White  wrote:

> Carl,
>
> We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter
> and Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option which is a shame.
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> Carl Peterson 
> October 13, 2021 at 09:21
> our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks.  Any chance you
> could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP
> service?  I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
> October 13, 2021 at 07:59
> If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> Carl Peterson 
> October 13, 2021 at 06:27
> I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service.  In
> the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive.  Is it
> possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port
> on the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.
>
> E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport
>
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>
> Carl Peterson
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Daniel White]

Failover rules when a device is offline is pretty straightforward.

The e911 disclosure they have to sign should be pretty clear things
won't work if the internet no longer works.

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> Steve Jones 
> October 13, 2021 at 10:43
> One thing I hate about provider VOIP in a lot of cases is that when
> their service goes down, their phone options are down. Got/Jive
> solutions offer failover options. We had a few of our contract
> services customers move to cableco based VOIP bundled with their data
> package against advice. When their service goes down they want to know
> why their phones stop working with no failover to cell or backup
> internet. "I told you so" is a hard concept for them to grasp when
> theyve gone off grid
>
>
>
> Carl Peterson 
> October 13, 2021 at 09:21
> our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks.  Any chance you
> could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring
> VOIP service?  I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707 
>
>
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
> October 13, 2021 at 07:59
> If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> Carl Peterson 
> October 13, 2021 at 06:27
> I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone
> service.  In the past we have just set them up with a service like
> Goto/Jive.  Is it possible to configure something like this and then
> just use the POTS port on the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  
>
> E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 
>
> -- 
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707 
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Daniel White]

Carl,

We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs
(Gigacenter and Gigaspire).  There is no auto-provision option which is
a shame.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

> Carl Peterson 
> October 13, 2021 at 09:21
> our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks.  Any chance you
> could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring
> VOIP service?  I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707 
>
>
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
> October 13, 2021 at 07:59
> If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> Carl Peterson 
> October 13, 2021 at 06:27
> I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone
> service.  In the past we have just set them up with a service like
> Goto/Jive.  Is it possible to configure something like this and then
> just use the POTS port on the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  
>
> E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 
>
> -- 
>
> Carl Peterson
>
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>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
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>
> (410) 637-3707 
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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Carl Peterson]

Thanks Chuck!  Seems pretty simple. I've got a TAC account.  Now I just
need to see if I can figure out the server/switch info for GoTo

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 5:46 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> This list may or may not be accurate.
>
> SIP-Gateway or Remote
> Need a VLAN for SIP
> Associate it to the uplink.
> Tag action for tagging SIP traffic to the VLAN
> Associate the SIP config with the SIP service
>
> E7 > Profiles > Service > SIP Gateway > Profiles click Create
> Proxy server is the location of the SIP switch.
> Switch Type – Chose none if it is not shown
> Domain if provider requires one.
>
> Setup IP Hosts
> Tag action SIP
> Host protocol dhcp or static or whatever
> Apply
> Go to services or the voice port
> Voice port
>
> Create SIP service
> Username,
> password and URI are provided by the softswitch provider
> URI is same as username
> SIP profile is the SIP profile made above
> Set up line features
>
> System default dial plan
> Create
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
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> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
> I just realized you have to have a support account with Calix to be able
> to see the video.
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> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 13, 2021 4:31 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>
> Check out this TAC TV video
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>
>
> https://www.calix.com/content/calix/en/site-prod/home/my-calix/enablement-videos/ts/exa-sip-cfg.html
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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

This list may or may not be accurate.  

SIP-Gateway or Remote
Need a VLAN for SIP
Associate it to the uplink. 
Tag action for tagging SIP traffic to the VLAN
Associate the SIP config with the SIP service

E7 > Profiles > Service > SIP Gateway > Profiles click Create
Proxy server is the location of the SIP switch.
Switch Type – Chose none if it is not shown
Domain if provider requires one.

Setup IP Hosts
Tag action SIP
Host protocol dhcp or static or whatever
Apply
Go to services or the voice port
Voice port

Create SIP service
Username, 
password and URI are provided by the softswitch provider
URI is same as username
SIP profile is the SIP profile made above
Set up line features

System default dial plan
Create


From: Chuck McCown via AF 
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To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

I just realized you have to have a support account with Calix to be able to see 
the video.  

From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 4:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Check out this TAC TV video 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Well  then I won't look.
You could download it and then upload it to Youtube. Then again,
  may there are copyright issues. Oh heck, noboday cares about that
  anymore.

bp

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  I just realized you have to have a support account with
Calix to be able to see the video.  
  

   
  
From: Chuck
McCown via AF 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 4:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
  

 
  
  

  

  Check out this TAC TV video 
  
 
https://www.calix.com/content/calix/en/site-prod/home/my-calix/enablement-videos/ts/exa-sip-cfg.html
 
 
  

  




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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I just realized you have to have a support account with Calix to be able to see 
the video.  

From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 4:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

Check out this TAC TV video 
 

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[AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Check out this TAC TV video 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Steve Jones]

One thing I hate about provider VOIP in a lot of cases is that when their
service goes down, their phone options are down. Got/Jive solutions offer
failover options. We had a few of our contract services customers move to
cableco based VOIP bundled with their data package against advice. When
their service goes down they want to know why their phones stop working
with no failover to cell or backup internet. "I told you so" is a hard
concept for them to grasp when theyve gone off grid

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> our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks.  Any chance you
> could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP
> service?  I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:02 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
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>> If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 13, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service.
>> In the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive.  Is it
>> possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port
>> on the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.
>>
>> E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Carl Peterson]

our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks.  Any chance you
could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP
service?  I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:02 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
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> If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 13, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service.  In
> the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive.  Is it
> possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port
> on the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.
>
> E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport
>
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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Carl Peterson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service.  In 
> the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive.  Is it 
> possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on 
> the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  
> 
> E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport 
> 
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[AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Carl Peterson]

I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service.  In
the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive.  Is it
possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port
on the ONTs?  GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.

E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport

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