Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-21 Thread SmarterBroadband 
I reached out to Cambium.   I asked about 4.3.2 on all combinations.  They 
replied;

 

with the exception of F200 to 1000 or 2000 AP – you will not have QoS.  For 
F200 to 1000 or 2000 you will have QoS.  Here are some comments I received from 
our engineer:

 

Force 300 to 1000 or 2000 AP - No QOS

Force 200 to 1000 or 2000 AP - QOS is available in 4.3.X. Please use 4.3.2.1, 
as 4.3.2 had some issue. 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-3000-2000-and-1000/4-3-2-802-11n-SMs-not-being-able-to-connect-to-AP-issue-and-work/m-p/103375#M16454
 
<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.cambiumnetworks.com%2Ft5%2FePMP-3000-2000-and-1000%2F4-3-2-802-11n-SMs-not-being-able-to-connect-to-AP-issue-and-work%2Fm-p%2F103375%23M16454=02%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7265de63689246679bf608d6dd69751b%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C636939842340516727=bOuAVe2eF1ZkhpawGyheHnpFNKVNCyAk%2FFI5Gys7pnM%3D=0>
 

Force 200 to 3000 AP - No QOS.

Force 300 to 3000 AP  - No QOS

 

The note in red on support site 
(https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ 
<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.cambiumnetworks.com%2Ffiles%2Fepmp%2F=02%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C7265de63689246679bf608d6dd69751b%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C636939842340526736=nuGPfN9asG6RboEhtnb%2BONqxjCJJOqHPztxkr1ZyCA4%3D=0>
  ) is confusing/wrong. So, it’s being changed to following. : -

 

4.3.2.1 release is targeted for ePMP3000, backwards/forwards compatible mode, 
pure ePMP1000/2000 legacy networks and PTP 550. Please note that MIR & QOS is 
not supported on ePMP3000 & backwards/forward mode.

 

Thus, on 4.3.X, QOS is only supported for pure n network.

Date for QoS for 3K to F300  ( and forward and backward) QoS not confirmed yet.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 3:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

It's really not clear at first glance, so I don't blame you at all. Its really 
odd how they have the firmware layout at the moment, as everything progresses I 
believe the entire firmware stack moves to 4.x, so the older firmware will be 
moved off the EPMP page. Pure epmp1000 deployments to 4.x are not recommended 
just yet, from what I understand. Only if you have a need for mixed mode.

 

On Mon, May 20, 2019, 3:16 PM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

Thank you for the info. I completely skipped over the release notes because it 
said PTP 550. I guess I should have opened it and read it.

 

From: AF [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 1:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 / 
15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch. 

 

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the 
firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to connect 
to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility) 

 

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility 
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

 

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG 

 

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider that 
not production ready like me, I see what your saying. 

 

The descriptions don't make this very clear.

 

 

 

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what you 
meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x firmware 
for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable version 
released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp 
radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to latest 
version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as well 
as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is improved 
by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so you 
can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at least. No 
point in swapping low GB usage

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Darin Steffl 
Qos/Mir is missing in 4.3.x firmware for all radios so if you need that,
wait until they release a version with it included probably in 4 weeks or
so.


On Mon, May 20, 2019, 5:56 PM Joe Novak  wrote:

> It's really not clear at first glance, so I don't blame you at all. Its
> really odd how they have the firmware layout at the moment, as everything
> progresses I believe the entire firmware stack moves to 4.x, so the older
> firmware will be moved off the EPMP page. Pure epmp1000 deployments to 4.x
> are not recommended just yet, from what I understand. Only if you have a
> need for mixed mode.
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019, 3:16 PM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the info. I completely skipped over the release notes
>> because it said PTP 550. I guess I should have opened it and read it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 1:15 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>>
>>
>>
>> It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1
>> / 15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch.
>>
>>
>>
>> ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is
>> the firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to
>> connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility)
>>
>>
>>
>> For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility
>> (clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)
>>
>>
>>
>> All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG
>>
>>
>>
>> For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you
>> consider that not production ready like me, I see what your saying.
>>
>>
>>
>> The descriptions don't make this very clear.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what
>> you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x
>> firmware for 1000/2000 models.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>>
>>
>>
>> Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable
>> version released 2 days ago and it will work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing
>> epmp radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated
>> to latest version first though or they won't connect.
>>
>>
>>
>> Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput
>> as well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also
>> is improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.
>>
>>
>>
>> To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers
>> so you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan
>> at least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they
>> won't see any benefit.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000
>> AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?
>> Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?
>>
>> On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:
>>
>> It works now. Download the latest firmware.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Trimmell
>>
>> *Business Manager*
>>
>> *PDS Connect*
>>
>> 317-831-3000
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Joe Novak 
It's really not clear at first glance, so I don't blame you at all. Its
really odd how they have the firmware layout at the moment, as everything
progresses I believe the entire firmware stack moves to 4.x, so the older
firmware will be moved off the EPMP page. Pure epmp1000 deployments to 4.x
are not recommended just yet, from what I understand. Only if you have a
need for mixed mode.

On Mon, May 20, 2019, 3:16 PM Andy Trimmell 
wrote:

> Thank you for the info. I completely skipped over the release notes
> because it said PTP 550. I guess I should have opened it and read it.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 1:15 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>
>
>
> It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 /
> 15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch.
>
>
>
> ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the
> firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to
> connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility)
>
>
>
> For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility
> (clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)
>
>
>
> All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG
>
>
>
> For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider
> that not production ready like me, I see what your saying.
>
>
>
> The descriptions don't make this very clear.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what
> you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x
> firmware for 1000/2000 models.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>
>
>
> Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable
> version released 2 days ago and it will work.
>
>
>
> Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp
> radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to
> latest version first though or they won't connect.
>
>
>
> Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as
> well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is
> improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.
>
>
>
> To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so
> you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at
> least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they
> won't see any benefit.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000
> AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?
> Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?
>
> On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:
>
> It works now. Download the latest firmware.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>
>
>
> Andy Trimmell
>
> *Business Manager*
>
> *PDS Connect*
>
> 317-831-3000
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Same.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 2:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Not exactly clear on that but I'm really hoping that QOS firmware drops 
really soon. I'm ready to do some testing.

 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:29 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Are you saying Force 200 to a 2000AP both on latest firmware will lose QOS? 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Not if you're swapping to an ePMP 3000L... granted you're not going to get the 
same improvement (it's a 2x2 radio rather than 4x4, so no 3db uplink gain, for 
example), but it should still be somewhat of an improvement, and it'll let any 
AC SMs run at 256QAM.

 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the AP swap is an antenna swap too

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 / 
15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch. 

 

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the 
firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to connect 
to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility) 

 

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility 
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

 

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG 

 

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider that 
not production ready like me, I see what your saying. 

 

The descriptions don't make this very clear.

 

 

 

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what you 
meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x firmware 
for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On 
Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable version 
released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp 
radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to latest 
version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as well 
as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is improved 
by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so you 
can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at least. No 
point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they won't see any 
benefit. 

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000 AP in 
place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?  Do you get 
any benefits without the Force300 SM?  

On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:

It works now. Download the latest firmware.

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this? 

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Joe Novak 
Not exactly clear on that but I'm really hoping that QOS firmware drops
really soon. I'm ready to do some testing.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:29 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Are you saying Force 200 to a 2000AP both on latest firmware will lose
> QOS?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2019 11:21 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>
>
>
> Not if you're swapping to an ePMP 3000L... granted you're not going to get
> the same improvement (it's a 2x2 radio rather than 4x4, so no 3db uplink
> gain, for example), but it should still be somewhat of an improvement, and
> it'll let any AC SMs run at 256QAM.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> the AP swap is an antenna swap too
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak  wrote:
>
> It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 /
> 15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch.
>
>
>
> ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the
> firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to
> connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility)
>
>
>
> For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility
> (clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)
>
>
>
> All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG
>
>
>
> For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider
> that not production ready like me, I see what your saying.
>
>
>
> The descriptions don't make this very clear.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what
> you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x
> firmware for 1000/2000 models.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>
>
>
> Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable
> version released 2 days ago and it will work.
>
>
>
> Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp
> radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to
> latest version first though or they won't connect.
>
>
>
> Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as
> well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is
> improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.
>
>
>
> To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so
> you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at
> least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they
> won't see any benefit.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000
> AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?
> Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?
>
> On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:
>
> It works now. Download the latest firmware.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>
>
>
> Andy Trimmell
>
> *Business Manager*
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Are you saying Force 200 to a 2000AP both on latest firmware will lose QOS? 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Not if you're swapping to an ePMP 3000L... granted you're not going to get the 
same improvement (it's a 2x2 radio rather than 4x4, so no 3db uplink gain, for 
example), but it should still be somewhat of an improvement, and it'll let any 
AC SMs run at 256QAM.

 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the AP swap is an antenna swap too

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 / 
15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch. 

 

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the 
firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to connect 
to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility) 

 

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility 
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

 

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG 

 

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider that 
not production ready like me, I see what your saying. 

 

The descriptions don't make this very clear.

 

 

 

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what you 
meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x firmware 
for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On 
Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable version 
released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp 
radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to latest 
version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as well 
as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is improved 
by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so you 
can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at least. No 
point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they won't see any 
benefit. 

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000 AP in 
place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?  Do you get 
any benefits without the Force300 SM?  

On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:

It works now. Download the latest firmware.

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this? 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Andy Trimmell 
Thank you for the info. I completely skipped over the release notes because it 
said PTP 550. I guess I should have opened it and read it.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 1:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 / 
15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch. 

 

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the 
firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to connect 
to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility) 

 

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility 
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

 

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG 

 

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider that 
not production ready like me, I see what your saying. 

 

The descriptions don't make this very clear.

 

 

 

 

 

Joe

 

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wrote:

Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s 
what you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x 
firmware for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable 
version released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing 
epmp radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to 
latest version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput 
as well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is 
improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers 
so you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at 
least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they won't 
see any benefit. 

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an 
EPMP3000 AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer 
radios?  Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?  

On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:

It works now. Download the latest firmware.

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:

So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on 
this? 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Andy Trimmell 
Thanks Steve

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

the AP swap is an antenna swap too

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak  wrote:

It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 
4.3.2.1 / 15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch. 

 

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is 
the firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to 
connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility) 

 

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility 
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

 

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG 

 

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you 
consider that not production ready like me, I see what your saying. 

 

The descriptions don't make this very clear.

 

 

 

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:

Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if 
that’s what you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s 
a 4.x firmware for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin 
Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd 
stable version released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all 
existing epmp radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be 
updated to latest version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in 
throughput as well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. 
Latency also is improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage 
customers so you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our 
plan at least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they 
won't see any benefit. 

 

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wrote:

I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you 
drop an EPMP3000 AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any 
customer radios?  Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?  

On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:

It works now. Download the latest firmware.

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:

So when is this coming? Anyone have any 
news on this? 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Mathew Howard 
Not if you're swapping to an ePMP 3000L... granted you're not going to get
the same improvement (it's a 2x2 radio rather than 4x4, so no 3db uplink
gain, for example), but it should still be somewhat of an improvement, and
it'll let any AC SMs run at 256QAM.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> the AP swap is an antenna swap too
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1
>> / 15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch.
>>
>> ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is
>> the firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to
>> connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility)
>>
>> For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility
>> (clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)
>>
>> All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG
>>
>> For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you
>> consider that not production ready like me, I see what your saying.
>>
>> The descriptions don't make this very clear.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what
>>> you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x
>>> firmware for 1000/2000 models.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable
>>> version released 2 days ago and it will work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing
>>> epmp radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated
>>> to latest version first though or they won't connect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput
>>> as well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also
>>> is improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers
>>> so you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan
>>> at least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they
>>> won't see any benefit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
>>> I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000
>>> AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?
>>> Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?
>>>
>>> On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:
>>>
>>> It works now. Download the latest firmware.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Trimmell
>>>
>>> *Business Manager*
>>>
>>> *PDS Connect*
>>>
>>> 317-831-3000
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Steve Jones 
the AP swap is an antenna swap too

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak  wrote:

> It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 /
> 15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch.
>
> ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the
> firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to
> connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility)
>
> For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility
> (clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)
>
> All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG
>
> For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider
> that not production ready like me, I see what your saying.
>
> The descriptions don't make this very clear.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
>> Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what
>> you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x
>> firmware for 1000/2000 models.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>>
>>
>>
>> Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable
>> version released 2 days ago and it will work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing
>> epmp radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated
>> to latest version first though or they won't connect.
>>
>>
>>
>> Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput
>> as well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also
>> is improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.
>>
>>
>>
>> To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers
>> so you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan
>> at least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they
>> won't see any benefit.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000
>> AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?
>> Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?
>>
>> On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:
>>
>> It works now. Download the latest firmware.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Trimmell
>>
>> *Business Manager*
>>
>> *PDS Connect*
>>
>> 317-831-3000
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-17 Thread Joe Novak 
It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 /
15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch.

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the
firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to
connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility)

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider
that not production ready like me, I see what your saying.

The descriptions don't make this very clear.





Joe

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
wrote:

> Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what
> you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x
> firmware for 1000/2000 models.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>
>
>
> Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable
> version released 2 days ago and it will work.
>
>
>
> Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp
> radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to
> latest version first though or they won't connect.
>
>
>
> Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as
> well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is
> improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.
>
>
>
> To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so
> you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at
> least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they
> won't see any benefit.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000
> AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?
> Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?
>
> On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:
>
> It works now. Download the latest firmware.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>
>
>
> Andy Trimmell
>
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>
> *PDS Connect*
>
> 317-831-3000
>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-17 Thread Andy Trimmell 
Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what you 
meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x firmware 
for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable version 
released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp 
radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to latest 
version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as well 
as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is improved 
by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so you 
can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at least. No 
point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they won't see any 
benefit. 

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an 
EPMP3000 AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer 
radios?  Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?  

On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:

It works now. Download the latest firmware.

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:

So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this? 

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-17 Thread Darin Steffl 
Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable version
released 2 days ago and it will work.

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp
radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to
latest version first though or they won't connect.

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as
well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is
improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so
you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at
least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they
won't see any benefit.

On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000
> AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?
> Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?
>
> On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:
>
> It works now. Download the latest firmware.
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
>> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Trimmell
>>
>> *Business Manager*
>>
>> *PDS Connect*
>>
>> 317-831-3000
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-17 Thread Nate Burke 
I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000 
AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer 
radios?  Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?


On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:

It works now. Download the latest firmware.

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com>> wrote:


So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?

Andy Trimmell

/Business Manager/

*PDS Connect*

317-831-3000

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-17 Thread canopy--- via AF 
It works now. Download the latest firmware.

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
wrote:

> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>
>
>
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>
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> *PDS Connect*
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[AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-17 Thread Andy Trimmell 
So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this? 

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

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