Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding?
Some of the mojo/secret sauce Mimosa has been doing !... https://mimosa.co/blog/2016/demystifying-antenna-polarizations so there are some fcc rules which apply, it is my understanding that for linear polarization the signal are supposed to be subtracted, thus reducing effective gain of (dual polarity) however for circular polarity the signal levels are added together... This is the reason why A5's Quamni were circular polarity, and field deployments showed a 3db gain over other radios. But I believe due to some other limitation, they are choosing to go with 3db advantage gained with beamforming for the A5c's over circular polarity arrays. BTW, if you are going extend the cone on the RF Element Horns, my only question is .. by doing so, aren't you simply re-creating the Ultra Horns ? please feel free to enlighten me if I am missing something. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Gino Villarini" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:32:37 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? > I was under the impression that by phasing 2 antennas you achieved 3db more > gain > (tx and rx) > From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > on behalf of Brian Webster < > i...@wirelessmapping.com > > Gino A. Villarini > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > > Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 9:33 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? > Double the gain or double the power with the 3 dB? Increasing the gain is > going > to narrow your beam no matter how you slice it. > Thank You, > Brian Webster > From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 7:51 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? > Doubling the gain > From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > on behalf of Rory Conaway < > r...@triadwireless.net > > Gino A. Villarini > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > > Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 12:43 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? > Gino, what are you trying to accomplish and what AP are you using to do that > with? > Rory > From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini > Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:12 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? > Easy for you who can fabricate anything on a whim! :-) > From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > on behalf of Chuck McCown < > ch...@wbmfg.com > > > Gino A. Villarini > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > > Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 9:59 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? > Easier to just continue with the cone making it longer. > Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: >> Whats the distance for 5ghz? Wondering if I can bond 2 RF Element Horns for >> improved gain >> Gino A. Villarini >> President >> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding?
Antenna gain comes from squeezing the same energy into a smaller space. So if you connect two 30 degree horns with a phasing harness, then you now have something smaller than 30 degrees. Same effect as a bigger antenna. I don't know how you predict what the new pattern looks like, but I'm betting if you stack vertically you're narrowing the elevation beamwidth. The only phasing harness I've seen in real life was four VHF yagis. To gain 3db on a yagi you'd make it about twice as long, so it must have been more mechanically feasible to set up 4 yagis in a square than to make the equivalent jumbo size yagi. -Adam On 8/10/2018 6:32 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: I was under the impression that by phasing 2 antennas you achieved 3db more gain (tx and rx) From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Brian Webster <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> *//* */Gino A. Villarini/* President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 9:33 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Double the gain or double the power with the 3 dB? Increasing the gain is going to narrow your beam no matter how you slice it. Thank You, Brian Webster *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini *Sent:* Thursday, August 09, 2018 7:51 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Doubling the gain *From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> /*Gino A. Villarini*/ President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Date: *Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 12:43 PM *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Gino, what are you trying to accomplish and what AP are you using to do that with? Rory *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini *Sent:* Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:12 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Easy for you who can fabricate anything on a whim! :-) *From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> /*Gino A. Villarini*/ President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Date: *Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 9:59 AM *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Easier to just continue with the cone making it longer. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: Whats the distance for 5ghz? Wondering if I can bond 2 RF Element Horns for improved gain /*Gino A. Villarini*/ President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding?
I was under the impression that by phasing 2 antennas you achieved 3db more gain (tx and rx) From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Brian Webster mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 9:33 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Double the gain or double the power with the 3 dB? Increasing the gain is going to narrow your beam no matter how you slice it. Thank You, Brian Webster From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 7:51 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Doubling the gain From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:image001.png@01D43028.980DBFD0] Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 12:43 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Gino, what are you trying to accomplish and what AP are you using to do that with? Rory From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:12 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Easy for you who can fabricate anything on a whim! :-) From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:image001.png@01D43028.980DBFD0] Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 9:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Easier to just continue with the cone making it longer. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: Whats the distance for 5ghz? Wondering if I can bond 2 RF Element Horns for improved gain Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding?
Double the gain or double the power with the 3 dB? Increasing the gain is going to narrow your beam no matter how you slice it. Thank You, Brian Webster From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 7:51 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Doubling the gain From: AF on behalf of Rory Conaway Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 12:43 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Gino, what are you trying to accomplish and what AP are you using to do that with? Rory From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:12 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Easy for you who can fabricate anything on a whim! :-) From: AF on behalf of Chuck McCown Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 9:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Easier to just continue with the cone making it longer. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: Whats the distance for 5ghz? Wondering if I can bond 2 RF Element Horns for improved gain Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding?
30x30 From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 8:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? What beam pattern do you need? Rory From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 4:51 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Doubling the gain From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:image001.png@01D43007.99622F40] Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 12:43 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Gino, what are you trying to accomplish and what AP are you using to do that with? Rory From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:12 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Easy for you who can fabricate anything on a whim! :-) From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:image001.png@01D43007.99622F40] Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 9:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Easier to just continue with the cone making it longer. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: Whats the distance for 5ghz? Wondering if I can bond 2 RF Element Horns for improved gain Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding?
Doubling the gain From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 12:43 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Gino, what are you trying to accomplish and what AP are you using to do that with? Rory From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:12 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Easy for you who can fabricate anything on a whim! :-) From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:image001.png@01D42FC5.5C57D5B0] Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 9:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Easier to just continue with the cone making it longer. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: Whats the distance for 5ghz? Wondering if I can bond 2 RF Element Horns for improved gain Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding?
Easy for you who can fabricate anything on a whim! :-) From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 9:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3db+ Antenna Phase Bonding? Easier to just continue with the cone making it longer. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: Whats the distance for 5ghz? Wondering if I can bond 2 RF Element Horns for improved gain Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
