Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Wav also has Siklu On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 1:48 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > tessco has the siklu links too > > -sean > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:35 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > >> we buy the siklu links from winncom >> >> -sean >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:10 AM Seth Mattinen >> wrote: >> >>> On 2/19/19 9:12 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: >>> > David we have several 1,5 & 10Gbps links from siklu and we love them. >>> > >>> > Very easy to use and setup, great support, easy on the pocketbook. >>> > >>> >>> >>> Who did you buy them from? I sent requests to two places and no response. >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
tessco has the siklu links too -sean On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:35 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > we buy the siklu links from winncom > > -sean > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:10 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: > >> On 2/19/19 9:12 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: >> > David we have several 1,5 & 10Gbps links from siklu and we love them. >> > >> > Very easy to use and setup, great support, easy on the pocketbook. >> > >> >> >> Who did you buy them from? I sent requests to two places and no response. >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
we buy the siklu links from winncom -sean On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:10 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 2/19/19 9:12 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > David we have several 1,5 & 10Gbps links from siklu and we love them. > > > > Very easy to use and setup, great support, easy on the pocketbook. > > > > > Who did you buy them from? I sent requests to two places and no response. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
They also lost a bunch of sales during one of the AlcaLu deals... I think when Nokia bought AlcaLu. Nokia was wholesaling Dragonwave radios, but now no longer needed to because of AlcaLu. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Eric Kuhnke" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:15:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying Dragonwave spent a lot of money developing new products, and on marketing, expecting that they would get a major win with one of the big 4 american cellular carriers. Apparently that customer went elsewhere and bought a huge amount of competitors' carrier class radios instead (NEC, Ericsson, Nokia). On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 8:22 AM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Dragonwave kinda killed itself with a massive expansion based on the expectation of the boom continuing. They should have just banked the cash. From: Colin Stanners Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is there something else that I'm missing? On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White < dwh...@atheral.com > wrote: That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having 80GHz products. They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley. There is only one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on the East Coast (Jim Norton). Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did to Dragonwave. I don't have any opinion of them now. Logo Daniel White Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32: I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I have had bad experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of some random issues with links as well. Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond frustrating too. One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
We bought ours from Nijaz at bizsyscon.com. Very pleased with their customer service. On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 1:10 PM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 2/19/19 9:12 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > David we have several 1,5 & 10Gbps links from siklu and we love them. > > > > Very easy to use and setup, great support, easy on the pocketbook. > > > > > Who did you buy them from? I sent requests to two places and no response. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Yep, the Indian manufacturing entities finally just finished their reverse engineering work... (that was a joke if you were confused) From: Colin Stanners Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying I saw in the news that a big DragonWave contract in India a few years ago was delayed / lost due to a glitch in the radios - did anyone hear what happened? On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:16 PM Eric Kuhnke wrote: Dragonwave spent a lot of money developing new products, and on marketing, expecting that they would get a major win with one of the big 4 american cellular carriers. Apparently that customer went elsewhere and bought a huge amount of competitors' carrier class radios instead (NEC, Ericsson, Nokia). On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 8:22 AM wrote: Dragonwave kinda killed itself with a massive expansion based on the expectation of the boom continuing. They should have just banked the cash. From: Colin Stanners Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is there something else that I'm missing? On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White wrote: That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having 80GHz products. They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley. There is only one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on the East Coast (Jim Norton). Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did to Dragonwave. I don't have any opinion of them now. Daniel White Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32: I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I have had bad experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of some random issues with links as well. Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond frustrating too. One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
I saw in the news that a big DragonWave contract in India a few years ago was delayed / lost due to a glitch in the radios - did anyone hear what happened? On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:16 PM Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Dragonwave spent a lot of money developing new products, and on marketing, > expecting that they would get a major win with one of the big 4 american > cellular carriers. Apparently that customer went elsewhere and bought a > huge amount of competitors' carrier class radios instead (NEC, Ericsson, > Nokia). > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 8:22 AM wrote: > >> Dragonwave kinda killed itself with a massive expansion based on the >> expectation of the boom continuing. They should have just banked the >> cash. >> >> *From:* Colin Stanners >> *Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying >> >> Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive >> ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is there >> something else that I'm missing? >> >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White wrote: >> >>> That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having 80GHz >>> products. >>> >>> They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley. There is only >>> one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on the East >>> Coast (Jim Norton). >>> >>> Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did to >>> Dragonwave. >>> >>> I don't have any opinion of them now. >>> >>> [image: Logo] <https://atheral.com/> >>> Daniel White >>> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations >>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 >>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 >>> >>> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32: >>> >>> I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of >>> Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I have had bad >>> experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat. >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen >>> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying >>> >>> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>> >>> This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The >>> price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a >>> big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of >>> some random issues with links as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, >>> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all >>> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's >>> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond >>> frustrating too. >>> >>> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing >>> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect >>> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was >>> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these >>> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. >>> >>> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. >>> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. >>> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the >>> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to >>> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Dragonwave spent a lot of money developing new products, and on marketing, expecting that they would get a major win with one of the big 4 american cellular carriers. Apparently that customer went elsewhere and bought a huge amount of competitors' carrier class radios instead (NEC, Ericsson, Nokia). On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 8:22 AM wrote: > Dragonwave kinda killed itself with a massive expansion based on the > expectation of the boom continuing. They should have just banked the > cash. > > *From:* Colin Stanners > *Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying > > Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive > ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is there > something else that I'm missing? > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White wrote: > >> That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having 80GHz >> products. >> >> They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley. There is only >> one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on the East >> Coast (Jim Norton). >> >> Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did to >> Dragonwave. >> >> I don't have any opinion of them now. >> >> [image: Logo] <https://atheral.com/> >> Daniel White >> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations >> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 >> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 >> >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32: >> >> I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of >> Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I have had bad >> experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat. >> >> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen >> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM >> To: af@af.afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying >> >> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >> >> This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The >> price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a >> big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of >> some random issues with links as well. >> >> >> >> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, >> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all >> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's >> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond >> frustrating too. >> >> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing >> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect >> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was >> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these >> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. >> >> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. >> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. >> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the >> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to >> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
On 2/19/19 9:12 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: David we have several 1,5 & 10Gbps links from siklu and we love them. Very easy to use and setup, great support, easy on the pocketbook. Who did you buy them from? I sent requests to two places and no response. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
David we have several 1,5 & 10Gbps links from siklu and we love them. Very easy to use and setup, great support, easy on the pocketbook. -Sean On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:35 PM David Sovereen wrote: > I keep hoping someone here will drink the Bridgewave Navigator kool-aid > and report back but no one has. I’m about to pull the trigger, except I > can’t get Streakwave (not a usual vendor of mine but one of two companies > Jim Norton at Bridgewave said are stocking distributors) to take an order. > CTI is recommending SIAE but they don’t have 10 Gbps interfaces and I keep > reading of disappointing experiences with their products like yours. > > Dave > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > > I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place. While it has > been pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had > some issues. Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't > think should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and > the replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at > some point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I > pay for additional support. That, coupled with the fact that the radios > now cost not quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere. > > The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well. > > I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in the > wild. > > -Jason > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: > >> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The >> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing >> is >> > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave >> > because of some random issues with links as well. >> > >> >> >> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, >> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all >> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's >> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond >> frustrating too. >> >> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing >> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect >> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was >> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these >> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. >> >> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. >> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. >> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the >> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to >> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
This is what Bridgewave told me: The List Price for an ST radio with 2ft antenna and SFP's 625Mb/s thruput is about $7500 per link. (in TDD terms 1.25Gb/s in a single 80Mhz channel) The List Price for a DT radio with antenna and SFP's full 1.25Gb/s is about $14500 per link (in TDD terms that is 2.5Gb/s using 2 80Mhz channels, or 1 using XPIC) 25 - 30% discount would apply. On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 9:45 AM Jason McKemie via AF wrote: > The DT (xpic) is just over $10K for a full link with 2' antennas. The > sparing is where you save the most though. > > On Tuesday, February 19, 2019, Josh Baird wrote: > >> So - realistically, approximately how much is a complete link? >> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 10:08 AM Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >>> Interested to hear how it goes. >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 19, 2019, Rory Conaway >>> wrote: >>> >>>> We have been working with the Navigator for a few months. It still had >>>> some bugs to work out in terms of locking up every few days. We just got >>>> new software a few days ago and so far, looks good. If it make it another >>>> week, I’m ordering another one. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Mathew Howard >>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 3:09 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For what it's worth, we've had two Bridgewave FL4G-LITE 80ghz links >>>> running for about a year with no issues. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 3:36 PM Josh Baird wrote: >>>> >>>> There are people here who have the units deployed. I believe Rory has >>>> a link. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:35 PM David Sovereen < >>>> david.sover...@mercury.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> I keep hoping someone here will drink the Bridgewave Navigator kool-aid >>>> and report back but no one has. I’m about to pull the trigger, except I >>>> can’t get Streakwave (not a usual vendor of mine but one of two companies >>>> Jim Norton at Bridgewave said are stocking distributors) to take an order. >>>> CTI is recommending SIAE but they don’t have 10 Gbps interfaces and I keep >>>> reading of disappointing experiences with their products like yours. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place. While it >>>> has been pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had >>>> some issues. Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't >>>> think should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and >>>> the replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at >>>> some point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I >>>> pay for additional support. That, coupled with the fact that the radios >>>> now cost not quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in >>>> the wild. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Jason >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>>> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The >>>> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing >>>> is >>>> > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave >>>> > because of some random issues with links as well. >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah I really don't know what to think.
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
The DT (xpic) is just over $10K for a full link with 2' antennas. The sparing is where you save the most though. On Tuesday, February 19, 2019, Josh Baird wrote: > So - realistically, approximately how much is a complete link? > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 10:08 AM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> Interested to hear how it goes. >> >> On Tuesday, February 19, 2019, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >>> We have been working with the Navigator for a few months. It still had >>> some bugs to work out in terms of locking up every few days. We just got >>> new software a few days ago and so far, looks good. If it make it another >>> week, I’m ordering another one. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 3:09 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying >>> >>> >>> >>> For what it's worth, we've had two Bridgewave FL4G-LITE 80ghz links >>> running for about a year with no issues. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 3:36 PM Josh Baird wrote: >>> >>> There are people here who have the units deployed. I believe Rory has a >>> link. >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:35 PM David Sovereen < >>> david.sover...@mercury.net> wrote: >>> >>> I keep hoping someone here will drink the Bridgewave Navigator kool-aid >>> and report back but no one has. I’m about to pull the trigger, except I >>> can’t get Streakwave (not a usual vendor of mine but one of two companies >>> Jim Norton at Bridgewave said are stocking distributors) to take an order. >>> CTI is recommending SIAE but they don’t have 10 Gbps interfaces and I keep >>> reading of disappointing experiences with their products like yours. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> >>> On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie >> com> wrote: >>> >>> I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place. While it has >>> been pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had >>> some issues. Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't >>> think should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and >>> the replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at >>> some point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I >>> pay for additional support. That, coupled with the fact that the radios >>> now cost not quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere. >>> >>> >>> >>> The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in >>> the wild. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Jason >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: >>> >>> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The >>> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing >>> is >>> > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave >>> > because of some random issues with links as well. >>> > >>> >>> >>> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, >>> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all >>> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's >>> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond >>> frustrating too. >>> >>> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing >>> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect >>> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was >>> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these >>> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. >>> >>> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. >>> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. >>> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the >>> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to >>> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
So - realistically, approximately how much is a complete link? On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 10:08 AM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Interested to hear how it goes. > > On Tuesday, February 19, 2019, Rory Conaway > wrote: > >> We have been working with the Navigator for a few months. It still had >> some bugs to work out in terms of locking up every few days. We just got >> new software a few days ago and so far, looks good. If it make it another >> week, I’m ordering another one. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 3:09 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying >> >> >> >> For what it's worth, we've had two Bridgewave FL4G-LITE 80ghz links >> running for about a year with no issues. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 3:36 PM Josh Baird wrote: >> >> There are people here who have the units deployed. I believe Rory has a >> link. >> >> >> >> Josh >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:35 PM David Sovereen >> wrote: >> >> I keep hoping someone here will drink the Bridgewave Navigator kool-aid >> and report back but no one has. I’m about to pull the trigger, except I >> can’t get Streakwave (not a usual vendor of mine but one of two companies >> Jim Norton at Bridgewave said are stocking distributors) to take an order. >> CTI is recommending SIAE but they don’t have 10 Gbps interfaces and I keep >> reading of disappointing experiences with their products like yours. >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >> I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place. While it has >> been pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had >> some issues. Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't >> think should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and >> the replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at >> some point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I >> pay for additional support. That, coupled with the fact that the radios >> now cost not quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere. >> >> >> >> The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well. >> >> >> >> I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in >> the wild. >> >> >> >> -Jason >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: >> >> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The >> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing >> is >> > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave >> > because of some random issues with links as well. >> > >> >> >> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, >> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all >> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's >> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond >> frustrating too. >> >> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing >> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect >> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was >> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these >> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. >> >> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. >> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. >> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the >> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to >> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Interested to hear how it goes. On Tuesday, February 19, 2019, Rory Conaway wrote: > We have been working with the Navigator for a few months. It still had > some bugs to work out in terms of locking up every few days. We just got > new software a few days ago and so far, looks good. If it make it another > week, I’m ordering another one. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 3:09 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying > > > > For what it's worth, we've had two Bridgewave FL4G-LITE 80ghz links > running for about a year with no issues. > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 3:36 PM Josh Baird wrote: > > There are people here who have the units deployed. I believe Rory has a > link. > > > > Josh > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:35 PM David Sovereen > wrote: > > I keep hoping someone here will drink the Bridgewave Navigator kool-aid > and report back but no one has. I’m about to pull the trigger, except I > can’t get Streakwave (not a usual vendor of mine but one of two companies > Jim Norton at Bridgewave said are stocking distributors) to take an order. > CTI is recommending SIAE but they don’t have 10 Gbps interfaces and I keep > reading of disappointing experiences with their products like yours. > > > > Dave > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie com> wrote: > > I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place. While it has > been pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had > some issues. Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't > think should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and > the replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at > some point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I > pay for additional support. That, coupled with the fact that the radios > now cost not quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere. > > > > The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well. > > > > I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in the > wild. > > > > -Jason > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: > > On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: > > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The > > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is > > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave > > because of some random issues with links as well. > > > > > Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, > Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all > kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's > been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond > frustrating too. > > One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing > on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect > RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was > to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these > were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. > > Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. > Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. > These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the > bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to > trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
We have been working with the Navigator for a few months. It still had some bugs to work out in terms of locking up every few days. We just got new software a few days ago and so far, looks good. If it make it another week, I’m ordering another one. Rory From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying For what it's worth, we've had two Bridgewave FL4G-LITE 80ghz links running for about a year with no issues. On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 3:36 PM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote: There are people here who have the units deployed. I believe Rory has a link. Josh On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:35 PM David Sovereen mailto:david.sover...@mercury.net>> wrote: I keep hoping someone here will drink the Bridgewave Navigator kool-aid and report back but no one has. I’m about to pull the trigger, except I can’t get Streakwave (not a usual vendor of mine but one of two companies Jim Norton at Bridgewave said are stocking distributors) to take an order. CTI is recommending SIAE but they don’t have 10 Gbps interfaces and I keep reading of disappointing experiences with their products like yours. Dave Sent from my iPad On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote: I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place. While it has been pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had some issues. Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't think should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and the replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at some point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I pay for additional support. That, coupled with the fact that the radios now cost not quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere. The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well. I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in the wild. -Jason On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote: On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave > because of some random issues with links as well. > Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond frustrating too. One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
For what it's worth, we've had two Bridgewave FL4G-LITE 80ghz links running for about a year with no issues. On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 3:36 PM Josh Baird wrote: > There are people here who have the units deployed. I believe Rory has a > link. > > Josh > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:35 PM David Sovereen > wrote: > >> I keep hoping someone here will drink the Bridgewave Navigator kool-aid >> and report back but no one has. I’m about to pull the trigger, except I >> can’t get Streakwave (not a usual vendor of mine but one of two companies >> Jim Norton at Bridgewave said are stocking distributors) to take an order. >> CTI is recommending SIAE but they don’t have 10 Gbps interfaces and I keep >> reading of disappointing experiences with their products like yours. >> >> Dave >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >> I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place. While it has >> been pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had >> some issues. Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't >> think should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and >> the replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at >> some point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I >> pay for additional support. That, coupled with the fact that the radios >> now cost not quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere. >> >> The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well. >> >> I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in >> the wild. >> >> -Jason >> >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: >> >>> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The >>> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing >>> is >>> > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave >>> > because of some random issues with links as well. >>> > >>> >>> >>> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, >>> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all >>> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's >>> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond >>> frustrating too. >>> >>> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing >>> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect >>> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was >>> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these >>> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. >>> >>> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. >>> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. >>> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the >>> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to >>> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
There are people here who have the units deployed. I believe Rory has a link. Josh On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:35 PM David Sovereen wrote: > I keep hoping someone here will drink the Bridgewave Navigator kool-aid > and report back but no one has. I’m about to pull the trigger, except I > can’t get Streakwave (not a usual vendor of mine but one of two companies > Jim Norton at Bridgewave said are stocking distributors) to take an order. > CTI is recommending SIAE but they don’t have 10 Gbps interfaces and I keep > reading of disappointing experiences with their products like yours. > > Dave > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > > I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place. While it has > been pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had > some issues. Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't > think should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and > the replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at > some point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I > pay for additional support. That, coupled with the fact that the radios > now cost not quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere. > > The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well. > > I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in the > wild. > > -Jason > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: > >> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The >> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing >> is >> > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave >> > because of some random issues with links as well. >> > >> >> >> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, >> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all >> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's >> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond >> frustrating too. >> >> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing >> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect >> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was >> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these >> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. >> >> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. >> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. >> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the >> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to >> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
I keep hoping someone here will drink the Bridgewave Navigator kool-aid and report back but no one has. I’m about to pull the trigger, except I can’t get Streakwave (not a usual vendor of mine but one of two companies Jim Norton at Bridgewave said are stocking distributors) to take an order. CTI is recommending SIAE but they don’t have 10 Gbps interfaces and I keep reading of disappointing experiences with their products like yours. Dave Sent from my iPad > On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Jason McKemie > wrote: > > I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place. While it has been > pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had some > issues. Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't think > should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and the > replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at some > point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I pay for > additional support. That, coupled with the fact that the radios now cost not > quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere. > > The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well. > > I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in the > wild. > > -Jason > >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: >> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The >> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is >> > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave >> > because of some random issues with links as well. >> > >> >> >> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, >> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all >> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's >> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond >> frustrating too. >> >> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing >> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect >> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was >> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these >> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. >> >> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. >> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. >> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the >> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to >> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
I'm a bit unhappy with the SIAE link that I have in place. While it has been pretty solid once I got it up and running, the initial process had some issues. Then I lost a radio due to a power surge (which I didn't think should have caused a failure - nothing else on the tower died) and the replacement radio is throwing out errors that point to a failure at some point in the future, which they won't troubleshoot with me unless I pay for additional support. That, coupled with the fact that the radios now cost not quite double what I originally paid, has me looking elsewhere. The single radio sparing on the Navigator is huge for me as well. I guess I need to hear some reviews from people who have Navigators in the wild. -Jason On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:06 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: > > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The > > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is > > a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave > > because of some random issues with links as well. > > > > > Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, > Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all > kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's > been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond > frustrating too. > > One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing > on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect > RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was > to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these > were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. > > Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. > Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. > These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the > bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to > trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
I got laid off at the end of 2012 as the company took a round of funding
with the condition to lay off 25% of the workforce... a few days before
Christmas.
I was upset at the time, but in hindsight it was the right time to move on.
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Bill Prince wrote on 2/8/19 08:51:
I dunno. I've looked at Bridgewave a few times, and I always walked
away because of the price of entry. We always found a way to solve the
problem at a lower cost.
Maybe that's why Dan isn't there anymore?
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:33 AM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of
Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I have
had bad
experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat.
-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
> price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio
sparing is a
> big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave
because of
> some random issues with links as well.
>
Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from
SAF,
Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but
it's
been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
frustrating too.
One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back
testing
on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect
RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said
that was
to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.
Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again.
Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Yes, and by pushing those companies to pour R resources into products
that were specific to them and never got bought.
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Colin Stanners wrote on 2/8/19 09:18:
Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive
ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is
there something else that I'm missing?
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:
That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having
80GHz products.
They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley. There is
only one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy
on the East Coast (Jim Norton).
Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they
did to Dragonwave.
I don't have any opinion of them now.
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ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote on 2/8/19 08:32:
I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises
of Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I
have had bad experiences myself and I know a handful of others in
a similar boat.
-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio
sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing
off Bridgewave because of some random issues with links as well.
Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear
from SAF,
Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category
but it's
been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
frustrating too.
One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back
testing
on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be
perfect
RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said
that was
to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.
Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up
again.
Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Clearwire was such a screw-over in oh so many ways. What they did to
Intel was legendary.. Talk about getting everyone to drink the Kool-aid...
On 2/8/19 8:38 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I agree with that statement. We got a PCN from Comsearch with 255 links
on it (from Clearwire), and 18 of them were at one of our towers. Wha?!?
I talked to the tower manager, and he told me they would have to be
doing major construction in order to accommodate the build out.
In the end, they built none of them.
If Dragonwave made bank on too much of that, they would have put
themselves in major hurt. Well, I guess they did.
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 8:22 AM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Dragonwave kinda killed itself with a massive expansion based on the
expectation of the boom continuing. They should have just banked
the cash.
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the
massive ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing,
or is there something else that I'm missing?
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White wrote:
That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having
80GHz products.
They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley. There
is only one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales
guy on the East Coast (Jim Norton).
Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they
did to Dragonwave.
I don't have any opinion of them now.
Logo <https://atheral.com/>
Daniel White
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32:
I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the
praises of Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for
them. I have had bad experiences myself and I know a handful
of others in a similar boat.
-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links.
The price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single
radio sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper
swearing off Bridgewave because of some random issues with
links as well.
Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear
from SAF,
Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid
in all
kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category
but it's
been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
frustrating too.
One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to
back testing
on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be
perfect
RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support
said that was
to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since
these
were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed
them.
Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came
up again.
Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one
side.
These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to
the
bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be
able to
trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Isn't that the real skill in business. Knowing when to hold 'em vs
knowing when to fold 'em...
On 2/8/19 8:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Dragonwave kinda killed itself with a massive expansion based on the
expectation of the boom continuing. They should have just banked the cash.
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive
ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is there
something else that I'm missing?
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White wrote:
That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having 80GHz
products.
They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley. There is
only one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on
the East Coast (Jim Norton).
Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did
to Dragonwave.
I don't have any opinion of them now.
Logo <https://atheral.com/>
Daniel White
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32:
I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises
of Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I
have had bad experiences myself and I know a handful of others in
a similar boat.
-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio
sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off
Bridgewave because of some random issues with links as well.
Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from
SAF,
Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but
it's
been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
frustrating too.
One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back
testing
on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be
perfect
RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said
that was
to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.
Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up
again.
Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
I agree with that statement. We got a PCN from Comsearch with 255 links on
it (from Clearwire), and 18 of them were at one of our towers. Wha?!?
I talked to the tower manager, and he told me they would have to be doing
major construction in order to accommodate the build out.
In the end, they built none of them.
If Dragonwave made bank on too much of that, they would have put themselves
in major hurt. Well, I guess they did.
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 8:22 AM wrote:
> Dragonwave kinda killed itself with a massive expansion based on the
> expectation of the boom continuing. They should have just banked the
> cash.
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
>
> Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive
> ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is there
> something else that I'm missing?
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White wrote:
>
>> That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having 80GHz
>> products.
>>
>> They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley. There is only
>> one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on the East
>> Coast (Jim Norton).
>>
>> Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did to
>> Dragonwave.
>>
>> I don't have any opinion of them now.
>>
>> [image: Logo] <https://atheral.com/>
>> Daniel White
>> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32:
>>
>> I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of
>> Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I have had bad
>> experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
>>
>> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
>> price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a
>> big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of
>> some random issues with links as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF,
>> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
>> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's
>> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
>> frustrating too.
>>
>> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing
>> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect
>> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was
>> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
>> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.
>>
>> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again.
>> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
>> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
>> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
>> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Dragonwave kinda killed itself with a massive expansion based on the expectation of the boom continuing. They should have just banked the cash. From: Colin Stanners Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is there something else that I'm missing? On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White wrote: That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having 80GHz products. They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley. There is only one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on the East Coast (Jim Norton). Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did to Dragonwave. I don't have any opinion of them now. Daniel White Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32: I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I have had bad experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of some random issues with links as well. Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond frustrating too. One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Did Clearwire do all the damage to those companies through the massive ramp-up of orders and then abruptly stopping the purchasing, or is there something else that I'm missing? On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Daniel White wrote: > That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having 80GHz > products. > > They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley. There is only one > person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on the East Coast > (Jim Norton). > > Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did to > Dragonwave. > > I don't have any opinion of them now. > > [image: Logo] <https://atheral.com/> > Daniel White > Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations > phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 > direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 > > ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32: > > I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of > Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I have had bad > experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat. > > -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen > Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying > > On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: > > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a > big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of > some random issues with links as well. > > > > Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, > Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all > kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's > been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond > frustrating too. > > One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing > on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect > RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was > to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these > were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. > > Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. > Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. > These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the > bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to > trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
That was a very different BridgeWave though. Pre-Siklu having 80GHz products. They were sold to REMEC which was then sold to Moseley. There is only one person left there that I worked with, who is a sales guy on the East Coast (Jim Norton). Sprint/Clearwire did a lot of damage to Bridgewave, just as they did to Dragonwave. I don't have any opinion of them now. Logo <https://atheral.com/> Daniel White Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 2/8/19 08:32: I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I have had bad experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of some random issues with links as well. Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond frustrating too. One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
On 2/8/19 7:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote: I dunno. I've looked at Bridgewave a few times, and I always walked away because of the price of entry. We always found a way to solve the problem at a lower cost. When I bought these links Siklu wasn't shipping their answer for 10Gbps mmwave. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
I dunno. I've looked at Bridgewave a few times, and I always walked away
because of the price of entry. We always found a way to solve the problem
at a lower cost.
Maybe that's why Dan isn't there anymore?
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:33 AM wrote:
> I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of
> Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I have had bad
> experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
>
> On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> > This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The
> > price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is
> a
> > big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because
> of
> > some random issues with links as well.
> >
>
>
> Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF,
> Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all
> kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's
> been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond
> frustrating too.
>
> One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing
> on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect
> RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was
> to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these
> were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them.
>
> Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again.
> Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side.
> These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the
> bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to
> trust them without a parallel link from another vendor.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
I really don't know anyone that I can recall singing the praises of Bridgewave except for Daniel - while he worked for them. I have had bad experiences myself and I know a handful of others in a similar boat. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 8:05 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of some random issues with links as well. Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond frustrating too. One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
On 2/8/19 12:51 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of some random issues with links as well. Yeah I really don't know what to think. I have microwave gear from SAF, Exalt, and Cambium/Ceragon and those have all been rock solid in all kinds of places. I thought these would be in the same category but it's been nothing but problems. The 10+ minute reboot times are beyond frustrating too. One thing that struck me as odd was that when I did back to back testing on the bench with waveguide that even in what I felt should be perfect RF conditions they wouldn't reach full modulation. Support said that was to be expected because of the attenuators being used and since these were new and I was new to Bridgewave I went ahead and deployed them. Down for 2 hours, so many reboots later, and it finally came up again. Why? Nobody knows. But now it won't modulate above QAM on one side. These Bridgewaves weren't cheap and even if I'm able to get to the bottom of why they are being crap I don't think I'll ever be able to trust them without a parallel link from another vendor. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
This is a bit unsettling. I'm looking some Navigator links. The price/performance seems pretty good IMO, and the single radio sparing is a big plus. I remember Nathan from Wisper swearing off Bridgewave because of some random issues with links as well. On Thursday, February 7, 2019, Seth Mattinen wrote: > I just spent 2 hours freezing on a roof trying to figure out why a > Bridgewave link went down and refused to link up again, only for the > solution to be reboot 15 both sides times and it randomly started working > again. I'm going to replace it with a Siklu and hope for a better > experience. > > So far all two Flex4G-1 links I set up have been problematic. That's a > 100% failure rate from my perspective. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
I just spent 2 hours freezing on a roof trying to figure out why a Bridgewave link went down and refused to link up again, only for the solution to be reboot 15 both sides times and it randomly started working again. I'm going to replace it with a Siklu and hope for a better experience. So far all two Flex4G-1 links I set up have been problematic. That's a 100% failure rate from my perspective. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
The canary alarm was "Board Alarm FPGA Programmed, Modem Power good, PLL good". That eventually turned into link drops with alarms "Tx Power Fail" and/or "modem reconfigured. Cause: mdm alarm". -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
On 12/17/18 11:54, Darin Steffl wrote: What model is it? We bought the 10gbps 80ghz link last January but haven't got around to deploying it yet. I'm hoping there's no issues but if there are, I'd hate for them to say sorry it's out of warranty before we even powered it on. Yeah, it's that one, I bought two sets. One started throwing FPGA alarms at random after a few months which were annoying at first but not impacting (hence the "update the firmware"), but it escalated to the radio actually dropping the link. Then I unboxed the other set recently after finally finding a home for it and had the same FPGA alarms this weekend which is exactly how the other one started out. For the one I recently unboxed I was told to update the firmware to 2.0.6, run a "defini" on the command line after the update/reboot, then go ahead and configure it. Since it's not in service yet I'll try that, but if it starts dropping link several months from now I will be displeased. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
What model is it? We bought the 10gbps 80ghz link last January but haven't got around to deploying it yet. I'm hoping there's no issues but if there are, I'd hate for them to say sorry it's out of warranty before we even powered it on. On Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 1:29 PM Seth Mattinen Bridgewave just followed up with me and is taking care of it by offering > an advanced replacement on the link that's been dropping out. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Bridgewave just followed up with me and is taking care of it by offering an advanced replacement on the link that's been dropping out. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave is being annoying
Good thing those Bridgewave radios are so cheap... bp On 12/17/2018 7:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: This is mainly just to yell at the clouds. So I bought some units from Bridgewave a year ago (Streakwave received payment on December 27 and I physically received around January 12, to be exact). For reasons beyond my control one of the units sat in a box until two weeks ago. It has a problem so I opened a ticket and surprise, it's out of warranty. Apparently Bridgewave starts their factory warranty at some point in time before the customer actually paid for the unit, let alone received it. I also have another Bridgewave unit that started throwing fault alarms and occasionally dropping the link for about 30 seconds while the modem resets for several months now and it's always "update the firmware" or "did you reboot it". Meanwhile, the problem persists and no amount of updating and rebooting (and annoying my customer to tell them I have to take the link down again to update it) has changed anything. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
